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alternative fuel bus, going to 44 different states, leaving this august. 140: 23 years and over c-span appearances later, we are joined again by douglas brinkley. in this 25th anniversary of the c-span bass, as we set out to visit all 50 state capitals,
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once again, thank you for that idea. guest: it reminded me of how invaluable the c-span archive is that you can pull out a tape like that, and of all these interviews c-span has done over the years, they are tools for historians. if you want to interview someone, do a paper, and you need a primary source, you can tap into that archive and get real quotes for your papers, so congratulations on keeping the archive intact all these years. host: we appreciate that. one of their project that doug brinkley has been enthralled with, this he spent -- involved with, he served as the academic advisor for each of the three surveys that helped to come up with the methodology use of those who participate and 11 zero inlet -- and a little over seven months into trump' us office. how do you think he fares when
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it comes to survey criteria you come up with? guest: the big thing on these presidential surveys is you never want to be below william harrison. he was president for one month and he died in office. when you see someone like james buchanan ranked below william henry harrison, you have problems. it is premature to rank donald trump. i think in your first year, holes are better indicator of what the public thinks you are better- polls are indicators of what the public thinks you are doing. i thought his leadership through the hurricanes was well done. fema did a good job, his response to harvey and irma i think has helped him get back up and running in the polls, but you do not win to operate below 40%. ronald reagan used to say, as president, you want to be a 50%.
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anything below that, you are not selling your product well enough. reagan would blame himself and donald trump has been struggling in the 30's and the 40's and we have to see if he can drive those up. host: on the survey of residential leadership, the characteristics each president gets ranked on his listed there. upg brinkley helped us come with that criteria. you talk about crisis leadership and another is international relations, a big week for president trump when it came to international relations. i want to get your thoughts on his appearance at the u.n. and/or he goes from here. guest: that is a good reason why does too early to rank donald trump. he is playing the game with north korea. it is tit-for-tat out there, insult to insult. , to me, aseem to be
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traditional work diplomacy. to speaksevelt says softly and carry a big stick, and donald trump likes to speak loudly and in ugly ways that adversaries. it does remind me -- remember ronald reagan calling the soviet union and evil empire? people were possessed about it then and years later, it seemed to have worked out once the berlin wall came down and the soviet union collapsed in 1991. this north korea approach of donald trump's, we will have to see. usually, you do not want to paint an adversary in the corner where they have no way of getting out. you want wiggle room for diplomacy. even though donald trump at united nations does this whole creating self suicide, there is diplomacy going on to figure out a way not to have the war in the korean peninsula, what should be
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catastrophic for the people host: there. doug brinkley here for the next 15 minutes, until 9:00. we are discussing the first eight months of the trump presidency. democrats, (202)-748-8000. republicans, (202)-748-8001. independents, (202)-748-8002. at that appearance at the u.n., president trump discussed is vision, here's what he had to say. [video clip] as president of the united states, i will always put america first, just like you, as the leaders of your countries, will always, and should always, put your country's first. [applause] we are all responsible -- all responsible leaders have a
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service to serve their own citizens and the nationstate remains the best vehicle for elevating the human condition, but making a better life for our people also requires us to work together in close harmony and unity to create a more safe and peaceful future for all people. the united states will forever be a great friend to the world, and especially to its allies. but we can no longer be taking advantage of or enter into a one-sided deal, with united states gets nothing in return. host: doug brinkley, as we heard that america first message from the president, who would you compare that to an american history? the america first movement of the 1930's was an isolationist movement, and it had people involved like joseph kennedy senior, charles lindbergh, henry ford, and that
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kind of rash and up the america first language like that. however, if you listen to donald trump, it is not just america first language, which i think is different than the gentleman i said, donald trump has taken that slogan in a new direction in the 21st century, on one hand, i think he is saying, it is a barricade around america, we will look at their own interests, that is like hyperrealistic talk. the message i got out of the u.n. speech was the tough language to syria, iran, north korea, it sounded like the axis of evil speech george w. bush gave. on one hand, we are taking care of our people in america. on the other hand, turning what was that the series across the planet. i noticed in today "new york times" a story about opening up
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more so we can do drone attacks against al qaeda, isis and countries are not at war with. this is an aggressive military posturing donald trump is doing now but we will have to see whether he matches the posterior with actually military actions in some places. host: as we passed the eight month mark of the trump presidency this week, we are talking with douglas brinkley, rice university history professor, friend of this network, about his perspective. up first, louisville, kentucky, democrats. caller: thank you for taking my call. mr. brinkley, it is wonderful to speak with you. i am a big admirer of your work. i wanted to talk about something that goes along with this, and that is melania trump's role. i wanted to clear something up, if i could, because a lot of
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people, including mrs. trump, seem to encourage the idea she is the modern jackie kennedy. mrs. kennedy had courage and conviction when it came to speaking in native tongue to cultural, racial, religious minorities during the campaign of 1960. she made no bones about that, but jackie did not have a highly evolved social conscious, per se, but she cared about these groups of people and a lot of it stemmed from her being a foreign exchange student in paris. she attended a program and got in our history degree, if memory serves correct. what bothers me is melania trump could do so much. she speaks six different languages, or so we are told, which i celebrated before he became president. i chose to not understand why -- i do not understand
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why she is coming across as a step heard wife to me. i think -- as a stepford wife in the way. i think it is horrible. if she wanted to be a jackie kennedy, why not be a benefactor of the arts? guest: i share your admiration for jackie kennedy and with what she did with the arts, the redecoration of the white house in the 1960's. famously, when john f. kennedy parisckie kennedy went to , they were more interested in the first lady than our president. she set a high bar for a social, venue in washington, d.c., inviting poets to the white house, on, and on. when you are getting to our current first lady, i agree with you. i was hoping she would be a little more proactive in picking
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up on women's rights, climate change, or a basket area she has professed interest to. however, i think she has handled herself with style and grace. she came down to texas during hurricane harvey and handed out food, met with people. i think her popularity is fairly high, but largely because of what you are suggesting, she stays up this stage. in that regard, because when we had the inauguration, she looked like jackie kennedy, wearing a fashionable clothing and got commented on a lot, but she is acting more like a br -- bess truman, very much off the stage and doesn't seem to get involved with public policy very much at all. it is unfortunate. nobody expected her to be eleanor roosevelt, but it would
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be nice to see her pick a particular interest the way nancy reagan did with "say no to drugs," or lady bird johnson with america beautification. take a hold may be of one aspect of american dilemmas and try to become the leadership person and that. baronre she is raising and trying to figure out which one she wants to put her energies into now. host: speaking of the kennedy's, a book you wrote was published earlier this year, may when it came out? guest: that is right, it came out for john f. kennedy's 100th birthday. we get older but john f. kennedy is still that handsome, gallant president, who was killed in his prime. i think there is a kennedy resurgence going on now because people are looking at this shot, saying we will put a man to the moon, may 25, 1961, and it went to a joint congress session and
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said we would do it, raise the money, and it had the success and i think now people are looking at the advantages we got out of the space program and in telecommunications alone, and not to mention the science of leaving the planet are, so that space side of john f. kennedy is starting to get a new look. host: john in columbus, ohio. line for republicans. good morning. caller: good morning. in full disclosure, i was a never-trumper, but might question is slightly off-topic. during ayou traveled surrogatend became a for the campaign. i wonder if you think that that harm to objectivity as a historian because since then, you never struck me as a bipartisan gobbet since then, on
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television, you always seem tainted. won a circuit for john kerry. my late colleague spoke in a book called band of brothers, and i started writing a book where i was eyeing the senators. i was going to do a group biography of john mccain, bob terry of nebraska, chuck robb of virginia, max greenman of georgia, john kerry of massachusetts. there was another one or two, and it was meant as the breakfast club what they would meet in the senate. when vietnam soldiers came home, we hear they were harassed are told they were killing people there. in reality, many people gave them great honors of electing them to the u.s. senate because of their service. in the course of doing that
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book, this was before john kerry started running for president, john mccain wrote a best-selling book. minutes ands on 60 the cover-up "new york times" magazine and ended up doing a book. my guys i was writing about were all dropping by the wayside. at last, john kerry kept detailed notes, letters, memorabilia from his time in vietnam. i switched my view of how to do duty to sayha when you speak vietnam, it is the war and antiwar reaction, and john kerry won three purple hearts, but you also had the returning deploying way of the metals and a ceremony and his testimony between the committee where he said, how can you ask a man to die for a mistake? i thought that was a better vehicle just using kerry.
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he went on to get the nomination in my book got politicized, in good and bad ways. in good ways that it helped john kerry. like when he saved a green beret from dying, that veteran was republican and stood by kerry and said he saw his name in my book and he was going to support john kerry. the other side is there people -- is there were people who paraded an attack to go after john kerry. that book got caught up in the muck of the political campaign, but it was not a political book. if you read it, i keep the story to vietnam. host: have you been watching ken burns'series on the vietnam war? guest: my wife wanted me to watch it last night but i was tired. i read the book and he did a great job. i have seen parts of it, but i
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have not yet started watching each of the many hours. host: what do you think about being now is the time to look at the vietnam war? is it still too soon for some? guest: no, it is a good time because there are a lot of being nonveterans we want to thank for their service to our country that you still want to get a chance to interview. i did a book with ron threats, who -- with a man who won a bronze star in vietnam, and so from the point of view of at least giving the vietnam veterans their moment in the sun, i think that is positive. we always need to look at vietnam. in my view, it was a gargantuan mistake, yet, our soldiers never lost a single bottle. it in washington, the politics were broken, and we did not bring enough people to
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the effort. i think corralling this footage, like ken burns has been able to do, is a wonderful tool. i am teaching a class at rice now on the 1960's and 1970's. i imagine next year i will take a couple of those hours and try to use that as a tool in my classroom setting. i think that harvey evolves the work that ken burns does. host: in maryland, david, line for republicans. caller: i grew up in the time period that you have been doing these test strips and thinking of taking the pulse of america, i guess. what are one or two ways you think america has changed most significantly in the last 25 years? west: in that little clip ran before i came on, of me iing my majic bus trips, remember having to run to telephone booths, have quarters,
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check messages, and the students on the buses did not have the cell phones. and that changed everybody's life walking around with the phone. , people are go staring at their phone all the time. i miss the old days more. i think we have a nature deficit disorder going on. we are relying too much on telecommunications and the iphones, and the like, and not enough of walking, hiking, thinking and tomb min eyes in things. i am not big on facebook. i do not do facebook. that is personal preference, but i think this technology is going so fast that we have not been able to see how it is changing as a country. we see the benefits of posting ourselves on instagram but not the dangers of a kind of becoming addicted to this sort of social media world.
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when i was in the majic bust, each student had a paperback book, we would read it, we would handwrite journals, and now they can have their journals as they are older, keep them as a moment last side, my gas, tos ran on natural the help of the ohio natural gas company. witht all over america cleaner fossil fuels, so i went to national parks, i did not feel light was coughing out soot. i hoped all buses would soon be on natural gas but decades later, we are not fully there. host: are we more politically divided now than back then? question, man, no about it that this country is so divided now. spockt line is usually -- line is like, the history is to
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remind us that it is not fully impressive. i believe that fully. mentarych ken burns' docu division in the americans. left,atred of the right, liberals, conservatives -- and has gone extreme. it used to be you could be centrist, be in the middle. this,mocrats are doing the republicans this, and centrists get killed in this environment. people want you to choose sides in the great war at the moment. i think it is unfortunate when we do not learn to work in a cooperative way with each other. i have traveled far and wide, i love america, i was in indiana just a few days ago. i am in texas now. wherever i go, i am heartened by local politics, and things that
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account to level, and sometimes state level seem to be working. d.c.,e get to washington, the environment's brutal out there. i think it is chasing people wait for politics. about half the country did not vote the last election, and i think we have got to find a way not to run presidential campaigns for two years or three -- andand we had kind of kind of find a way to bring acrimony level down. host: in georgia, line for democrats. go ahead. caller: thank you for c-span, and douglas brinkley, thank you so much for all of your books. i did read the majic bus 10 years or 12 years ago. delusionved the great deluge, about
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katrina, but thank you for your honesty and giving your opinions about what is going on with this administration. i do not have a question but thanks for who you are. guest: and that is a call of civility. a friend of mine at allegheny county of college -- allegheny college, i think we have got to find ways to have a public discourse that is better. i am big on free speech. i think it needs to be on all of our college campuses and that all the people come, but we have to take that violence, noisy bashing of each other and shutting people down that has been a staple of talk radio and at times news, and try to have a little more intelligent discourse. i will tell you, this country, universities and colleges are fantastic and great. the amount of development going
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on when you meet people in their 20's and tear their aspirations for our country. we have people from all over the world here. a multicultural place. i'm extremely proud of this country and our capacity to be a leader in the world and the right sense of it and a beacon of hope in a world where things are going awry right now quickly. concern about the climate issue. i do write about the environment. i did write about katrina, as the caller mentioned, but also now with harvey, what is going on in puerto rico, our fellow americans devastated, the entire electrical grid knocked out right now. we have got to find ways to pull together with disaster relief so we have money on the age of climate that will be able to help these communities.
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i am concerned about the future of places like miami and new york city if we do not find ways of a civil defense movement to protect ourselves from rising seas and hurricanes. host: norman, oklahoma. karen. line for republicans. go ahead. caller: good morning. we love our veterans. i have a comment in question. i do not blame our beautiful first lady for not being out there more than she is. they were going to help hurricane victims and now they could talk about where shoes. are a history professor. could you tell me the logic behind what keith ellison said, comparing the illegal immigrants to the jewish people, are we gathering them up, gassing them, and the main street media is not telling us, or is that uncalled for? guest: well, the first part with careful i was
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personally to say i think she is doing fine. i do not think every first lady has to become an activist. i do think it would be smart if she became known on a particular humanitarian issue that she chooses to become a voice and leader of that. i thought she did great in texas when she came here for harvey. bit isit -- the shoe such a tabloid hook. you cannot pay that much mind. doth ellison, any time you any kind of analogies that have to deal with the horrors of the second world war and bringing it into a modern political discourse, you will get screwed up and burned. we have a big debate in this country about immigration now. i think history will say donald trump rode to the white house on that issue and we will have to see how this gets sorted out.
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personally,ot of -- i think the dreamers, which has been in the news a lot, that they need to stay. i think the concept of the united states finding people raised here in this country, finding them and throwing them out to country they had never lived before, would be an outrageous, inhumane gesture that does not seem to represent the best of america. i think president trump is correct in trying to find a way to make the dreamers stay here, working with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi and in a bipartisan way to do that. host: that presidential historian survey available on the c-span website. the leadership characteristics on that survey that historians compare presidents on, listed there on the side of the website. one of those characteristics is moral authority. how much do you think the
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president's response to the white supremacist rally ,nazis in charlottesville and his response will color his legacy on moral authority? guest: it is going to hurt donald trump badly. charlottesville was botched. a president does not come and say the things he did. once he corrected himself on his first statement on charlottesville, doubling back and trying to show, i was not some kind ofeate equal footing for anti-fascist on one side and fascist on the other, i just think he walked into it and got himself tangled up. part of it was he did not have great record when you are the leader of the birther movement that barack obama was not born in america, a deeply racist idea, and when you campaign is
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about building a wall and you say derogatory things about mexicans and mexican americans, and then you have an opportunity like charlottesville, that could have been a moment for him to shine. instead, he wanted to make sure that his base, so to speak, read neat. nationala time for unity, so i think it was a missed opportunity for the president and it will probably haunt him in history that he was not able to deal with that in a more openhearted and effectively. host: about 25 minutes left with doug brinkley this morning on "the washington journal." steve has been waiting in florida, republican line. go ahead. caller: i grew up in history, through the cuban missal crisis, john kennedy, my family went through the holocaust. i have been disgusted by history -- i have been discussed with
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history and education. my father is from brooklyn, so we know a lot about trump history, family, and trump himself. theind of knew a lot before election. so we understand what the problems were before the election happened. ofwere concerned about a lot issues on what was going to happen to our country and the country being divided. the problem with education's computers. there is no old math and problem solving. the new math changed the math of the old math and affected the education, including money throughout the country, including the job market and everything on top. i knew that was a problem. the problem is all these issues that trump is dealing with, it is putting the country into pot
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different directions -- and to two different directions and we do not know what we are going. guest: i think that is rightguest:, i think there is political confusion now. i think some of the biggest critics of donald trump are two conservatives. a lot of republicans do not like him as their standard bearer. the left, of course, despises him. i want to hone in on your comment on math. i was looking at once the soviet union got sputnik in 1957, how do you respond to something like that? we created nasa and moved forward, but there was a fear we were not doing enough in the math and science in this country and it was an education crisis. that we were graduating illiterate people out of our high schools. it is maybe old-fashioned of may, but i think the future of our country gets back to education and we have to start focusing on how to develop
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students that have a great math literacy coming out of high and that we prioritize math and science education in this country. that is what makes us competitive. we are lucky we had been able to bring in immigrants, some of my students from china, japan, india, that have added in big ways to our american genius, many of them math and science wizards, and they are helping us tremendously. i do say that we have to up the game in public schools and make sure kids are getting the right math and science education because that is what is going to make them competitive in this 21st century economy. ist: in pennsylvania, carmen waiting. line for democrats. good morning. caller: good morning. great to talk with you, professor brinkley, and i want to congratulate your response to congressman young to try to humiliate you in front of the
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hearing you went to and you turned the tables on him. kudos to you for that. it was great television. my point i would like to say is i think this is right on. we are talking about education. i am 67 years old and it grew up in the 1950's and 1960's. i think our educational system was much better than now. my opinion, i think the election of president trump has been the combination of what i can call the coming down of america. maybe i do not share that with everybody but i would like your opinion, thank you. guest: well, look. there is a big difference when you are looking at someone who grew up with john f. kennedy and his education and what he was promoting and the sciences, kennedy was a leader in the 1950's and 1960's of education and science and donald trump is most known for trump university,
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that fell flat with a kind of dozi scheme operation, so i not think people collected donald trump because they think he is going to be a great move for higher education in the united states. they elected him for economic reasons, their own pocketbook, maybe some racial reasons. the good link is here that everything is not donald trump. you have a great college university professors, a great community college movements. perdue university in indiana is looking at how to do a three-year college, get your degree in three years and it is an intensified program. people in our armed forces that are able to get college class work done while serving our country, so a lot of exciting things going on in the realm of learning, but i do
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think we need to talk about it and prioritize it more. child leftt they no behind policy. one of my early heroes in the state of mississippi and the civil rights movement, bob moses, had an algebra project, and t astutely recognized that once kids do not take algebra, they cannot do the math and they are put in the way math classes. they are already killing their chances of success in america and at that moment, they need to be worked with to learn algebra in advance themselves. it goes back to loving our schools more. in austin, texas, we are blessed with a great public school system. you see in urban in several areas, schools that are -- in rural areas, schools that are underfunded and we need to address it in a real way. host: how is rice university in the wake of harvey?
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guest: rice is fine. i am back and running. i do three classes this semester. par, --ear hermannn hermann park, and that to not get the brunt of harvey, but if you go a couple of miles in a different direction from rice and you have a vast community struggling, problems with sewage, pollution, and the bayou health hazards, there are insurance companies that when people are in need suddenly are not there for them. there are a lot of problems in texas. however, this day is proud that it responded the way it did, meaning houstonians saving houstonians. the police force in houston that stayed on the job and did a pretty good job. sylvester turner, the mayor of houston, every minute working to
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try to get things done well. as disasters go, houston is doing a good job of not feeling victimized, and trying to fix it serious problem, as long as it gets the proper amount of federal funding. we are talking it might need up billionbillion to $150 in texas, and i'm not even talking florida and puerto rico, so we have real issues on what we would do it these areas, how to rebuild, and we need to start thinking about building structures too close to the water's edge and find ways to do sustainable housing away from ,ulnerable low-lying areas sprawled along coastal areas, particularly the gulf coast of mexico does create problems. host: for our last hour of "the washington journal," we will
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turn our phones over to those impacted by hurricanes, especially recent ones, to get your stories on the cover efforts. that video on the screen was shot by our c-span crews who went down to texas this week, so we will be opening our phones to storieset you tell your and how you interact with local authorities down there. until then, we have doug brinkley with us. we will stay in longview, texas, brady is waiting. for republicans. go ahead. caller: yes, i bet those students on the majic bus had journals and i agreed that that should be done more. you made a comment the bus ran on natural gas. i come from an oil and gas background, and we need to thank horizontal drilling and fracking for the affordability of natural gas on the market and i agree that more vehicles
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should be running on natural gas and we need to make the conversion to the natural gas fossil fuel --, which is a fossil fuel. guest: the things i like about natural gas as if also feel is particularly take cities like new orleans, with the french quarter, or chicago, everything should be on natural gas because they are easy to refuel there. there is no reason to be not .unning buses on natural gas it would be great if we could get trucks to run on natural gas because if you could get truck stops that carry natural gas, which is as easy as getting the el, it would be easy. i think natural gas will be the next step forward. we will have to see how tesla continues today with the idea of
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electric vehicles. eventually, this will happen but it is a matter of when. host: in new york, independent. good morning. caller: thank you. excellent, excellent morning. wouldn't it be great if we could get the president to acknowledge global warming as a reality? the real reason i am calling is i'm hoping before you get off-air, you will deliver an opinion on the president's performance thus far, which personally, i do not think i will ever live long enough to see someone do such a poor job. that meet the that at that. thank you. onst: i write a lot democratic and republican presidents, and i find the winning formula is optimism. it is an oxygen in this country. we need presidents to make us
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feel good about ourselves and pull us together. political campaigns by nature are brutal. 2012, or 2016, they were rough elections, but i do not see donald trump pulling the country together. maybe everybody is to blame, but it seems to me the opportunity was there to do infrastructure first, and instead, it was to repeal and replace obamacare. that went nowhere and he created hisegislative agenda in first six months. if he had gone to great infrastructure, it may have been bipartisan and we could have started fixing american highways and roads and look at ways to repair damage interviews planned and help airports -- and improved airports, like donald trump said he would do in the campaign. airports need a lot of deferred maintenance. even our natural parks could use
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the work order to pull them together. none of that has happened. president.isive i find the idea of pulling out of the paris climate accord, why? the whole world is part of it. much, butt does that it at least says we are talking about it. promise to pull out of it in a petulant way -- four is still pull out of it in a petulant way and say i will send out while the rest of the world talks about it, he bucked horns with pope francis on it, and i find it selfish. theseld not have stopped hurricanes coming. i am not blaming donald trump for that, but it gives -- it dissolutions people and i think he is pretty much about his movement and his revolution. he is in constant reelection mode and has not taken the time to say, what can i do to pull this country together?
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what is something we can do as americans, try to get us out of fighting?y partisan he operates not on optimism but fear and pessimism. look in his inaugural speech, the american carnage speech, it was dark. but in his speech to the united nations -- look at his speech to the united nations, very dark. i like presidency were lights, caring, and represent the warmth of the american people and persona and i do not find that in president trump so far. host: what you make of his discussions with democrats when -- ises to daca and how there a comparison to the past president, whose party controls the house and senate, reaching out to the other party to look for wins on an issue so early? guest: it tells you how
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frustrated president trump was with what i am saying. he is not self-critical, but if he were, he understands replacing and repealing of obamacare was not the thing to prioritize. i think he made the false assumption republicans have been running on that the last seven years and they had a plan ready that would be able to sail thro ugh, and there are only 100 people in the senate, how hard can it be? the fact that that blue upon him left him looking foolish, and he was angry when john mccain put his thumb down, and he does not want to be seen as a lame duck president or hostage, so he is making moves towards trying to be a unity president. i think the daca is going to be the key one. donald trump is saying that he is going to see these
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dreamers get this day. by doing that, it is sending a healing message to the country that this is something you might be able to work with. it is important for him to be flexible. he has to represent all of us, not his 35% base. i think his base will stick with him through the thick and thin. he has to expand his friend and not constantly being scared to base and -- expand his not constantly be scared to expand it. he can get some good, smart american things done and taking care of the dreamers is one. host: to don in virginia, democrats,, go ahead. caller: i think this boy is playing with toys. he is laying with toys -- playing with toys.
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i think [indiscernible] toe in world war ii and iraq get this boy out of power. what do you think? guest: i am concerned, like everybody, about the situation in the korean peninsula. i have seldom seen america without options, where we do not have a good hand right now, but i will remind us, we all know, and donald trump said that the u.n. speech, any minute we could obliterate north korea and we had that military capacity. we cannot do that because of what it would cause the countries that are allies, like japan and south korea. hence, we have to find a way through sanctions, like the president is doing, and getting china, the key to this, to not allow chinese banks to do zero business with north korea and
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tried to strangle them. this is not a donald trump failure. failure.american we probably made the mistake of underestimating north korea's nuclear capacity now that they have it. i do think all options are on the table, including surgical precision strikes on their facilities, perhaps even military bases, but that has to be the last, last, last resort, so hopefully, there will be solutions to try to get them to stop nuclear proliferation in north korea and find ways through diplomacy to make that work. i am not counting on it. we are dealing with a sick -- north korea has a very sick leader, not just a dictator, but somebody who has no real global experience, who has brainwashed himself, since childhood.
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i do not know -- without a regime change -- how this turns out well. host: what about the language between president trump and kim just as we about to get ready to go on-air, the president of north korea, obviously, a madman who does not mind killing or starve his people, will be tested like never before. he used the term rocket man during his speech earlier. the president of north korea came, calling his comments root, who showed president trump to be a u.s. dotard who is playing with fire. guest: we are too old to be changing insults with a dangerous crackpot like this. i think ignoring that rhetoric
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and strategically plan what we are going to do, we are showing patients with north korea, trying to bring in allies. there was no easy solution. i am afraid getting into a war words every 48f hours is not helpful. we will see. the reason i hesitate is may be donald trump's strategy is working. maybe this boy language will reap a result. host: yesterday, the president announced expanded sanctions doing business with north korea. guest: i think it is all part of the trump administration strategy. i cannot judge whether it is working or not. it is unusual that the united states wants to use this request language. everyone knows his you and speech was unusual with the --
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his united nations speech with the unusual rocket man. it sounded like a twitter feed from donald trump on the grandstand, but this is his style. you have to see if his style reaps positive results. up there and had to ride trump-north korea situation, how has it gotten better since --ald trump's president presidency, we have more threats coming up, more nuclear developments, i do not see where this tough trump language has gotten us, but maybe these sanctions, maybe donald trump has been able to impress by the madman. that donald trump might do something irrational may have impressed china to intervene and cut off all funding to north korea to bring them to the negotiation table in a proper way. we will see whether it is working or not.
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we cannot tell right now. host: we will try to get to as many calls. bob in california, independent. go ahead. caller: i was calling about the education thing, but first, kim jong un, i think he is badly educated. and how he will be bad [indiscernible] amazing he can spend some much on arms. trump has gotten a lot of people discussing policy. you see a lot of people discussing policy and this global warming thing, which is global weather change, although we have been warming since the height of the ice age. the planet has been re-warming. toshould be making plans move people out of flood zones
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and move away from the water. as far as education, i believe education should pretty much be internet and homeschooling and going to new schools for tutoring and testing. of course, you can have specialized courses, but it is a lot safer. i educated half my children with home education. i got a break with the schooling i argued 1960, when with my history teacher, the only teacher i know, yet, she was teaching incorrect history. since then -- host: ken i asked -- can i ask the subject on which you have the disagreement? yes, it was i had the right to free speech and disagree with her. it did end up getting me moved which wasrent school,
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regarded as the best public school in philadelphia at the time. host: we appreciate the call. doug brinkley? there, bute is a lot college is a wonderful thing. one of the only times in my field of history that you might be able to spend four years getting to read about british, russian history, the american revolutionary war, it is remarkable to get these opportunities, but we have to realize it is not for everybody. we have to do more trade schools, double down on two-year colleges, homeschooling, online education. there are a lot of ways to get educated. i would tell any parent out there, the main game is reading, and i have been teaching a long time, but getting students to read books. it does not matter the topic. if you have a son who loves
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baseball, it doesn't matter, get him to read. if you have a daughter who wants to be an astronaut, let her read of theocracy on sally ride. find what a young person loves and get them to read a lot because once you get your i set to reading books and yukon push ightyou are set up -- eyes said i'm reading books and you push it, you are set up to read more and there's no higher calling for a parent then to make sure their children are reading all the time. host: bethany beach, delaware, bob is republican. caller: thank you. i wanted to say to professor brinkley as a fellow professor myself that i am extremely disappointed in some of the comments he has made. my feeling is there are a couple of things that bother me.
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trump's base is bigger than 35%. the elites opposed to that base your prior to make the base much larger than 35%. i would urge you to read the facts. the second think about global warming, scientists agree that global warming exists and even trump acknowledged that put the question is what causes global warming and over what length of time? above everything else, i have seen you on cnn and other outfits, and as a professor rice, i am concerned about how objective you are concerned about passing on factual information to your students. both the media and education are guilty of not pursuing the truth in the sense of the truth that requires a fault this examination of both sides, so what do you say about the responsibility of education and the media to stick to the truth
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and balance the information given to the american people? thanks. guest: well, your call strikes me as someone very rude to call and talk to me like that, first off. you are calling the truth is your truth, the truth as you see it. i have said nothing except donald trump third of the country no matter what he does will stick with that 35 might be closer to 40, but in that range and everybody knows that. what i said wrong with that, as far as talking about climate change, everybody climate change, 99% -- 99.9% of scientists are us about climate change. we have to prepare for the and spew, get on the
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air and feel like they are big because they get to do a little people. we need a time now to create a energy. better america, i don't think anybody should be denier, that would be uninformed.y host: to caroline, here in washington, d.c., line for democrats. last call. hi, good morning. thanks for taking my call. eal quick, what do you think democrats or folks concerned about the health of our country rather than wise just focusing on 2018 elections, fixinglly digging in and the elements that cause the rise of this angry group of folks who suffering and we're seeing the opioid epidemic, all canaries here.
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thank you. guest: we've been running close elections, donald trump won because he ran a much stronger campaign. has been on book tour, not talking about, never going to the state of wisconsin, you run for president and wisconsin, of course you are going to lose wisconsin. we have to all calm down a try to make sense of what is going on. i think part of donald trump's is it operates with chaos. everyday there is a new tweet or throws people's energy off, but the democrats have to be something more than anti-trump. hey have to say social, security, we want more social security. they have to talk to people to mean it is going something in their lives and they haven't been doing that effectively. you have a possibility of the mueller report doesn't take down, he could
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