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good evening everyone and welcome to tonight's event we're delighted to have joining us this evening jerry van dyke and investigative journalist focusing on terrorism in the middle east region and our moderator carlos senior vice president of program at a world affairs we're recording tonight's program so please take a molt to silence your cell phones. my name is tim callahan a program officer here at a world affairs. if you enjoy tonight's discussion and you're interested in learning more about the organization, i will be around after the program. so please introduce yourself. i will now like to turn it over to our moderator carlos. >> so good morning everyone and thank you for joining us it's my great pleasure to introduce is our guest this evening jer is rei van dyke a journalist, author and cbs news consultant
who covers afghanistan and pakistan. host authored a book called captive my time as a prisoner of the taliban and another work in afghanistan. also written for publication "new york times" "newsweek" and national geographic. and in 1981 while workings a correspondent for "new york times," van dyke lived with the hadine as they battled soviet army from 2006 to 2009, he served as a senior fellow for the carnegie canal for international affair and senior fellow in 2008 he went to afghanistan and pakistan to research the taliban for a book. but he was subsequently captured by the taliban and imprisoned for 45 days. becoming the second american journalist to be captured, his most recent book the trade my journey into the political kidnapping discusses the
political and economic motives of kidnapping. and he's currently an adjunct senior fellow on relations joining us here tonight to talk about the trade. and the geopolitics of kidnapping and way in which tourist groups have been used in kid mapping so jerry welcome and thank you so far for joining us. >> thank you. and i think -- to start we probably need to understand a bit about what, what made you want to write the trade. what had caused you to need to go back and really think hard about the way in which kidnapping is being used. >> i think the best way for me to answer what is if you recall just before steven was murdered by isis he wrote a letter when he was in his cell with jim philly and others to his parents and in that letter he said
everyone has two lives. the second one begins when you realize you only have one. and i was -- someone told o me as a the greeks say twice face is i survived my kidnapping and i felt and feel that i have an obligation as one who -- survived to keep alive name of those who were murdered. to speak on behalf of those who did survive and who don't want to talk about it and detail the world what is now what i consider a new and extremely potent, new form of political warfare. and as karla said, i was the next person kidnapped after i was the second person kidnapped first one wases danielle is journalist reporter in karachi
and pakistan held for two weeks don't know exactly when but he was slaughtered by al qaeda and the ransom demand was that the u.s. provide to pakistan the f-16s that we had provided to them that we had sold to them but failed to deliver as well as to provide better treatment for men guantanamo a rather strange demanding for a tourist group when you think about and that was the beginning of political terrorism after 9/11 and nighs the next person as karla sod kid mapped after a him and i'll do this quickly but -- when my -- book captive came out in 2010 -- few things happened one i was giving talk many new york before a jowrnlgist society in greenwich village at the end i
was signing box and man came up to me with with his then girlfriend my wife and he said -- you said tonight this is what mi6 intelligence agent said to we did everything possible to prevent a second damage pearl and he said to me this young man asked me do you think he would have survived if you were jewish, oh -- no one ever asked me anything like that. i began to think -- and some time a few months before then daniel pearl's father had written an article in "the wall street journal" in which he said i feel that my son has died in vein. and i -- took a while but then i wrote him a letter and i said no. i'm alive because of your son. and they invited me out to los angeles to see them. and i went out to see them. and no way easier to cross them out into pakistan than to go see
them. and we had a lunch together and we spent two dayses together, and i said -- that i thought of daniel pearl when they took the knife out in my proposed execution two of them. but the big difference is and it's all of the difference in the world that i don't have a right to talk about it is that my case they put it back. but when camera was rolling and i look at the man i say okay let's do it it's you and me i thought of nicholas and danielle berk next person kidnapped after daniel pearl kidnapped in 2004 and beheaded. and so -- i began a trip because of this man in 2010 who came up to me after my book came out to go become and find out this was the first reason there are others of why danielle pearl was really
kidnapped and looked deeply into his story which i didn't feel was really ever brought out in which -- i found a lot about and write about in the book. so there were multiple reasons why i went back. and there was one final reason to tell you this is that in 2012 -- i was, and as karla asked me this working for cbs i wases prevented from going east of turkey. and people are afraid that you are going to get in trouble again. and that u.s. is seen as a bit one man said to me toxic cbss use me less and less afraid of what i might say or that i might embarrass people and so another fellow named john kidnapped his drive killed he was kidnapped by a secular group of different ethnic group than the taliban that belong to, and he said to
me, we're like candidates that people think we've been brainwashed and so you live with that. and more than anything elses you're a victim. always a victim. when i went to see pearl in his paper reporter said to me so that's what whair going to say in your obituary that you're a victim what's it like living life where you're seen as a victim in order to get over that -- become say a man again. i was a -- another reason. and final reason. is that in we've, i came home at night from work and there was a letter from the department of justice, federal bower row of investigation what in the world what's this about? and i dealt with the fbi a lot the fbi is in charge of all kidnappings of americans anywhere in the world, and the letter said and this is a pair trade to mr. van dyke we regret
to inform you, but we're closing your case. we know that this probably comes as a bit of a shock difficult for you to comprehend please don't -- think that disrespectful in any way. but we have found fit to close your case. if some time in the future we find reason to open it, we will. and i sat down, i said got away with it. so rozy -- malan g-men who were involved in it i said they got away with it it it's up to me to go back and find out the truth. so those are the things that led me on this journey. >> so tell us a bit more abouted number of political kidnappings and why they've started to occur
in larger numbers we don't actually i think hear about these cases as much as we should because one of the strategies is, of course, to try not to have it be a subject of discussion in the press. so how many people are being held and what's the mote i-for increasing political kidnapping. >> i don't know exactly how many are held today -- important to distinguish political kidnappings in political if you work for shell oil and you're posted as a -- oil rig off the coast of nigeria your chances of getting kidnapped are quite high and it's a business all of these thingses are a business they operate in lawless areas somalia, and pakistan, iraq, syria, parts of nye jeah! across sahara today al qaeda has a protocol for dealing with political kidnap haddings. they used to be 250,000 about --
per person and now it's up to well, recently most recent one was a swedish person who was caught on a motorcyclist i think tourist he was $10 million. so it is -- it is very much a business. but to get to your question. the exact number of political kidnapped victims those being held today is secret. i don't know. ...
of announcing to the world that they existed. as they just did a few weeks before 9/11 but it was in the political world but this was their way to say we are here and they introduce a new form of political warfare. kidnappings perce started in our modern area - - era 93 terry -- with the journalists taken the route to but all of those held by hezbollah were never a ransom demand for any of them their use as a pawn to get the united states and france also in that era was the first time the second
part to the two cited political warfare is the bombing that when the marine corps barracks 1983 that the french paratrooper barracks the first political suicide bombing in the theater taking place 1995 now today he is the head of al qaeda it is very interesting and i will come to that in a minute but the second kidnapping was a young on entrepreneur named nicholas who went to iraq and was kidnapped buys are cowley that is a city near gnomon -- all mine and he went to
this is the introduction of al qaeda and i will talk about this more in a minute but he went from jail in oman to pakistan then he went to a refugee camp then to bora bora then he traveled again a and develop his edgy modest credentials most people will vote this story that in order to create al qaeda in the iraqi really had to a certain self said he kidnapped nicholas bird shown on taliban really showing al qaeda to the world. so that argument between the
national editor and those of similar stature over homage to of this video will you show? but what we are talking about is the absolute power of taliban and the political kidnapping so the next kidnapping after that was a few months later in kabul win u.n. leaders were kidnapped that is when the u.s. army and the west and the sea in u.s. military said we have to shut this down there is something starting here. so they worked very hard to try eight to stopple was happening to keep there relatively quiet. and in researching my book i talk to the interior of minister and said absolutely
not whatsoever and i talked to a of british intelligence agency and they said absolutely not whatsoever then an old friend who said yes there is a ransom and the money disappeared. as i sit here today i don't know the truth may be you could discern that based on the evidence i've provided the book the un now in columbia refused to answer read and then next kidnapping after that a few years later in again afghanistan with a foreign correspondent who of bit cavalier i felt someone very give me when i heard this
story very naively i went with a fixer who is a guide and a driver to southern afghanistan to meet with the taliban and he was kidnapped and the demand was the karzai government release the taliban prisoners and the italians remove themselves from nato. and remove all forces and italy refused to release the men the taliban be headed the driver and the fixer and italy panicked and paid a huge ransom it is the first time the government made a ransom for a western kidnapping victim there is never a chance for that
opportunity. so a few months you could say very taif south korean christian missionaries it is illegal to even allies the catholic church with anybody whether a soldier the only place you can go to church in afghanistan was a kid that two people were killed the selfie area south intelligence agency according to reuters paid $22 million the united states tracked them down and killed them all that i was next. the demand for me was 1. 5 million and three men from guantanamo. the next person after me was
"the new york times" reporter his demand was 25 million. which quickly came down but in my case they called me the golden goose. one week after david was kidnapped i went to "the new york times" and we started the same thing that cbs and "the wall street journal" did to figure out what they would do they said called david that means they will not kill him in the said that is a lot of money but they are a commodity and in my case they wanted to exchange my fixer to have a father come in as the collateral if you take alone out so in the kidnapping world collateral is a human. after that and real quickly
what becomes extremely powerful is the execution and jim bowie which we all know about and is the second most watched and remembered events on taliban since then 11 from the entire american population is the towers coming down the second is the execution of jim. that is arguably the reason why the united states went to war a galvanized obama and it was the war on isis after that there were three more but the last one was not executed. she was killed by a bomb which so upset the obama
administration is that they call all of us former hostages in families of those that were killed to the white house and in 2015 we met with the president and vice president as they tried to create a new form of policy where the united states parents like lung negative my father was alive but so they can actually negotiate on their own with the kidnappers. that is the first time and that was the policy and the final point that i forgot to mention is that because this is before 9/11 that in 2000 to crush gin missionaries were kidnapped in the
southern philippines in the jungle in georgia w. bush administration authorized a ransom they said so publicly at $320,000 the money disappeared and the white house said if it leads to the capture of the kidnappers then this is the way we will ransom and some people feel it was the christian constituency you can argue that is the case or not the united states did provide a ransom note has gotten to the point anions getting ahead but we learned in the white house and he may have seen in taliban
where it came to the point the at connie network which held him could extract a ransom payment for proof of life they did it and that was stated publicly and he would be court-martialed but he was out of the army shortly thereafter. so most recently and we will talk about this later that we had the release of the canadian american family who made headlines throughout the united states behind the scenes and the other thing i will talk about but it just shows the power of kidnapping and the most important thing about that
the entire time from post 9/11 from the bush administration we would never negotiate with terrorists or deal with the taliban. in the at connie network could raise itself to a point to direct directly with united states so kidnapping has allowed the taliban to achieve nation stature as a nation state as they had to negotiate with the haqqani network. >> host: things for that and also talking about your own experience but also to give some context of the individuals in the family is affected by this strategy over the years.
is spend quite a bit of time and do quite of a good job of the complexity and the new loans -- space eggs of pakistan and they tend to run together now listening to speak you spoke a lot about the taliban and al qaeda and the haqqani network gore isis so can you talk about those differences between those groups and is there a meaningful way to say one may be more radical or more dangerous in your investigation?. >> radicalism interesting word. and certainly not taking a political stance but one
man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. so really quickly so with my background in afghanistan very quickly when i was very young i have been in the army and i went to school on the gi bill i went and realized it is something they were doing in in europe and selling in asia. it was a way to make money so i called my parents i do not know why my mother said yes but we bought the old folks like it in germany and drove across asia. that is when iran was our ally, it was a great
adventure it is called the hippie trail someone romantically. or drug trafficking. when we finally arrived in afghanistan ever 546,000 hippies it was a town of 250,000 but it was a small city school girls wore long socks and short skirts. nine movie theaters outdoor cafes dressing as in europe and the brother-in-law and the first cousin of the king and to establish a republic.
initially as prime minister and they said no then it went to the soviet union. and they were seen by young men nor muslim activist whether berlin to berkeley here it had to do with marxism communism or socialism and the young men under the tutelage have gone to school in egypt for the muzzle of brotherhood with that principle literary back right -- background to bring them back to translate them 12 of them fled across the country to pakistan i
interviewed the major general for this book and gave him code names like baker mason, an electrician, put them in the pakistan army to train them and he told me, this is important, then i went to the u.s. and the state to last for many. so these young men and then the professor they call themselves the paula deen and is called a holy warrior. and they launched attacks
most of them were killed or captured in july 1979 robert gates has written about this. and the cia and the cia meaning the united states they begin to find secretly july 1979 move paula deen in order to -- moose jaw had been these are not my words, to lower -- who were the soviet union into afghanistan to pay it back for backing the vietcong and north vietnamese and we were in north vietnam.
if you watch ken burns documentary you notice. and the leader of the pakistan the army said as the money that came in because of principled view was borne out by carter and the reason we went in there was revenge so we began to nurture the of mujahideen the 9/11 commission deals with some of this. in throughout the muslim world. and those offices and the
and part of that group was osama lead in london and that is what to dave recall al qaeda so they both came mount of that caldron of afghanistan. and the man who headed neck berg and made his way back bringing his jihad with him to jordan where he killed for the diplomat and a u.s. invasion in iraq went into iraq one of the men working for him and the founder of
group of the world. and approximately 50 million. with poetry and history and geography. and the taliban is more of a nationalist movement. there is in the boy over 10 years old in negative tune who does not think or believe for field every negative ton -- pashtun when the british into afghanistan into india at about the same time lewis and clark reached the pacific ocean.
today that is part of pakistan that was the policy to prevent the russians from coming down to take the crown jewel of the of british empire but this divides afghanistan from pakistan nobody has ever accepted including the taliban government. this is where the war is being fought to. "the fountainhead" of all the movements. so how does the haqqani network relate to the taliban? when i was made as a journalist and more as the
explorer and with the sophistication at all going to afghanistan and the mujahideen by then was divided into seven political parties. where we got it numerous arguments with the cia i will kahn dna a second but they deal with that in charlie wilson's war that that, what was i talking about. >> guest: i was asking you about the of haqqani network.
>> guest: yes. 1981 when i went to afghanistan and we went to one in particular and one is the best friend in afghanistan the favorite part of the book one reason i'm told was kidnapped sent me to live with a bunch of mujahideen in the mountains with 20 of them in his brother and they were not part of the original group have fled across the country they were called the mujahideen than they were separate. and in 2015 and may be getting ahead of myself but to answer your question to
find out who kidnapped me and why it took a long time that it went to the two tribal leaders had known and they arranged for me to figure out how to do that's but as only western journalist and to have three meetings with them and to have many conversations with them they are not part of the mujahideen they raised goats and come from the mountains but this family is remarkable in its the
mountains of eastern afghanistan to the point they can negotiate directly and there are two more developing but the haqqani network is arguably and the most lethal and effective and deadliest terrorist organization in the world including isis. they are separate they are there own armed of according to to admiral mike mullen 2011 testimony before the senate armed services committee the network is a part of the pakistan army.
terrorist groups did not operate generally in a vacuum there are links from yemen to egypt to saudi arabia and turkey so this is a very good point that they are unique they are not isis or al qaeda or the taliban with the mujahideen publicly the state that they hold a unique position and former with the technical advisers of charlie wilson's war you were having lunch in our hotel in hollywood and i asked about the haqqani is in he or his head and said i wish they had come over to
our side. so there was a bond i cannot claim innocence and to spend hours and hours talking with them. >> thank you for that. every answer that you give provided so much complexity and i can think about 10 different questions and then with one in particular to bring you up to of presence so i would like to ask you back in 2010 you and many other general at the -- journalist wrote a prep -- a letter to president obama that he moves to seek a
rapprochement with the taliban so how do you feel with peace live in pakistan and afghanistan today. >> guest: the war against the soviet union between the united states involvement in afghanistan which began in so far as we are concerned very seriously 1979, mujahideen was a proxy of the united states and the cold war. with their own soldiers or troops in afghanistan so we hired a mercenary army of filipinos and we cited with saudi arabia with the of mujahedin with the muslim nation like afghanistan with
those large elements so thereby changing that entire complexity for thousands of upon thousands were built with their own desire to promote around the world that created a cauldron of war that the soviet union saw that they could not been and so they pulled out still beginning the geneva accord since geneva it was between pakistan and afghanistan and so the union was on this side feel the reason it ended it was negotiated but
it really didn't end because even though we did not provide as much as before we still kept active as the united stowe -- a reunion was pouring arms into that government and it continued so clearly since 1979 out of which came the tragedy of 9/11 so from president bush who went in to try to destroy al qaeda and more than anything else to get bin mod n -- osama the modern but would not because of tribalism and they talked about this but there is no way he could go against this ancient tribal code and to
give up a guest in his home and think there was a movie about a in american soldier who was shah down the only one survived with the taliban attack and they took him in hand against his own villagers to protect him because that is required under tribal law. so that in the ability of omar which is ancient afghanistan coupled with that deadliness of the vast influx of weaponry into afghanistan has created a completely new world. so the taliban which emerged they are backed by pakistan
president obama had closed to 90,000 troops in afghanistan and he pulled them all out and the war continued now owe a new president will take the gloves off been allowing the sca more latitude with jerome -- drowns and and give commanders the latitude to do what needs to be done to clean this up, their support than more villagers you will kill then you will send every boy cousin relative and extended family to the taliban out of revenge so what are 15,000 troops going to do that 90,000 couldn't? that is a long winded way to answer to say the only way it is resolved is in islamabad. i say that but i mean other
nations. there was one negotiation so far peace talks begin 2014 in "the new york times" at the table you have representatives of afghanistan and a the taliban i have heard different stories the u.s. has said that we did not have anybody in the room but the chinese were in the room but what is interesting is on one side representing afghanistan was the very man named muhammed they were close to which led to happening to me on either side of the table on behalf of the taliban which is today the head of the taliban. once they're in the same mujahideen political party
today with the chief negotiators with their separate countries and in 2017 and april this year abraham told me that i a talked with muhammed a couple times on my own and i said to myself i did not bring this up with him directly that you were negotiating across the tables as enemies you just told me you're talking to him together about what ever you were talking about twice. so yes you have to negotiate under the table. there is a part of afghanistan no foreigner can penetrate or can those zero is a combination of serious negotiations as well as to realize the afghans will have to realize they have to realize they can resolve this themselves of enough
pressure is putting on them but that has to come from pakistan as well as the united states. >> host: it is a crucial question with that intelligence influence the actions of the radical islamist you have given a lot of thought to this relationship what conclusions have you reached?. >> guest: you have noticed -- this is very delicate. with the kidnapping, in the last week there has been a case of the stories of the cia tracking jason wailes
family the canadian end coleman the american three children or maybe for one did not survive then the cia after five years provided intelligence to the pakistan army which swooped in with a rescue attempt to kill all the captors and freed a the hostages and they are hauled into everybody breathes a sigh of relief we are clearly enormously happy they are alive and they are back. and in 2017 in the security council and the white house before we went to see them
and i was advised not to go because i lived -- they were afraid something would happen to me but of all the people that i met you in one that did not say that was there was no indication that i could not go the haqqani networking is a terrorist organization it is illegal for the united states a represented diplomat to negotiate with a terrorist organization. you cannot do that under u.s. law. so now when i step back after reading in the white house a man involved in my capping -- kidnapping a british intelligence agent
called me said he is coming to the u.s. and could he mimi in penn station he was up in new england and to see that pakistan is come into the cafe in with that first base our sever giving what are they doing here? so we all talked and then he said i in the stand you have met with the haqqani and i said yes. they told me they only trusted me and i don't know what to do about that. here knowledge that and i
thought i don't think for some reason i will ever allow back into pakistan after this meeting. november came to be informed of my involvement because what i have been trying to do since this book, the book that i have written is not what i intended to write. i wanted to go back and resolve things. but i do want to talk to about that as a sub paragraph but i don't want to lose track of what i wetback it was made clear i concede the haqqani, i was to trace all the various networks that emanated from pakistan yemen and saudi arabia and isis because of may age and background and
not married i have no children in a still do this so those men who were our allies they are the enemies whether yemen or egypt nor pakistan that is what i was doing and then after stephen was murdered a secretly went back to afghanistan fright and as soon as i enter the country went to the airport because they said we will not what the bird out of the cage a second time they're very clean shaven they don't just wear turbans for security operations i went to see my friend because of my relationship to him and i was kidnapped we sat in a hotel and they told him the whole story he said no. its 180 degrees different because when you are involved in is something
much greater than yourself and far too dangerous and you must leave so the next day i went to see the head of the former cia and fbi retired. and i told him my story and he looked at me have you seen the movie 12 years a slave? i said i don't know what that is i have been in the middle east for the last year studying this project. he said everybody he thinks is your friend is your enemy. there are talking not just about afghans. so that is what set me on this very long dark and murky journey this labyrinth that i will never reemerge fully out of which came this book. then as i was finishing that because the net with the haqqani is and the
opportunity opened up to me as they began to ask me or talk to me about how angry they were under certain elements of the bird dollar exchange i did not quite understand what they were talking about but i did the information back to washington. this is far bigger than journalism live upon -- i am a pawn by realized it was something much greater and i had a role to play and i'm thinking this opportunity came and i explained it to everybody and with the former british intelligence agent pakistan got wind of this and i told everybody this and the counterterrorism and security council people they said no.
they will revoke your visa application than there was a fusion so that is a bureaucratic s.w.a.t. team the obama administration set up to deal with kidnappings if you read about this june june 2015 and he created a fusions sell to bring the cia and fbi and the department everybody together as a representative to try to use of various tribal entities and washington together to work for the betterment to find ways to release of americans being held hostage politically around the world. so i told the same story to the fbi agent he said no we
think the pakistan these would welcome a visa application from you. no way in the world that i could be allowed to go back to pakistan to meet with the haqqani for the last time i was told i would be vetted by the pakistan the ambassador to the u.n. which i was and that i could do this without the complete and total approval no way i could come close to them without them. >> host: so to be taken by the haqqani network so what is your take on their story? was this political or
commercial kidnapping?. >> guest: good question. i know a little bit more. i will tell you what i know and you decide. what we know publicly is that joshua a boil, canadian has a very awkward background that he was married to the sister of a man in guantanamo for having killed an american common to americans. his sister was very outspoken nothing wrong with that on behalf of her brother but at some house some time osama bin laden was involved so i asked myself what in the world is
a man taking a pregnant woman into afghanistan? there is in the zero journalists in kabul who dares go out into the country by themselves without afghan guide's going to a village to be completely protected to go to the province where taliban is everywhere, to me is incomprehensible. >> host: [inaudible] >> yes but others have tried that and they are not around. even as a pilgrim you're also a commodity meaning something to sell. i found it very strange that maybe he was a pilgrim and saw himself this way they went together but i thought it was awkward and stranger
and i still do. but they've wanted to do that so they were held captive and we saw the videos and it took five years nobody seemed to know where there were. then president trump more than any other president come in his speech announcing afghan policy really criticized publicly pakistan and did not mince words about their ties to terrorist groups in backing terrorist groups we have been very diplomatic about that over the years full-court press on this but it is interesting that this was in september and within one month pakistan now has received $12.5 billion since then 11 between the united
states in the cold war since 1954 they don't want to lose this relationship even though pakistan and china are now extremely close they don't want to lose this tied to the united states. it is unreasonable to think that perhaps and it is interesting to think the cia would could not do it for five years now could find them and provide the information into the i s i with which they were close allies in the '80s and '90s and once they bothered me working on charlie wilson's war was the director had asked me i've simply the low guy on this side but these mountains are not like afghanistan so finally convinced her to do
something she said go back by the helicopter and the help camera copter maybe we can do something so i went back and telling people to do this then i got a phone call from the cia advisor who said don't do any more. i am convinced the director i can do it and we will do that with a helicopter. he's been out of the cia 20 years he starts calling his friends in the pakistan the army to take a helicopter up that united states controls of the aerospace and said they can shoot the footage and this tide i thought might have ended with him 20 years later is certainly very strong. that is my way to save the banks are still there.
now to bring this back with the haqqani is and what is said to me was they certainly could be using the 100 percent. they wanted the coleman family to be able and the parents to see there grandchildren they will allow me to bring them over to see them but i have to bring a letter from the u.s. government meaning it is the official and within the last three weeks that is what we're trying to do. it is difficult for me to believe entirely that's the head connie's would allow any of their men to kill a girl because think about this, children being born in
a compound in a tribal area on the afghan border cannot do this alone. they have to do this with mothers or women to nurture and provide whatever needs to be provided in the bond develops. i find it difficult to believe that one child was murdered. this is a terrible thing to contemplate but i am confused as to exactly what really happened based upon the inflammation of what i have been involved in it is so complex and murky play a whole entire world to think they're concerned of the welfare of the children to bring the grandparents to see them according to the u.s. with the tribal area is still on the pakistan border
she is sydney's are there also. that the cia to do this is very murky that is my way to answer your question but that pakistan the army has been together since the '70s and they will continue to be at the will of the united states remains to be murky also. >> what can i say? journalism is a risky business and your story zander risks personally it's inspiring to all of us but i am afraid we are out of time at this point fly apologize not getting to everyone's questions thanks to jere van dyk on behalf of world affairs for joining us this evening and all of you for your terrific questions and also want to invite you to get his book or both books
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