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meeting they had. both expressing the meeting was positive and the nra executive saying that despite what the president spreaded as a meeting with legislators on wednesday that mr. trump and the vice president, quote, support the second amendment, support strong due process and don't want gun coverage it's march 2nd and three hours this program devoted to the topic of guns and related issues-especially circling around washington and the states. we'll talk social scientist on the phone during the hour and talk to reporter and no formal guess and we want their from. you here's the question we want your to answer. your message to washington on the gun debate could be about what is happening in congress, what is happening in other places, but what is the message you want to send to the white house or congress or both.
>> "the new york times" highlightes the morning the effort's congress and what is happening there especially as congress leaves for the week and what they did on gun issues. this is kim and others saying the senate was unable to untangle objections to a mod test relatively noncontroversial bill, minute to improve the estimator for providing information to federal background check databases, and they began laying out proposals on thursday in an effort to prevent tragedy such as the february 14th shooting in florida, but it's far from clear how those measures can succeed without the president's backing. meanwhile, conservatives were aproblem crick -- his comment ats we's submit. that firearms could be seize before their owner could be judge unfit to
possess them, quote on the on due process issue that common concerned be greatly, otherwise a reliable trump ally. disagree with the president on that issue, i think it's a fundamental constitutional fourth amendment issue and the story adding the democrats in the senate on thursday announces their own efforts on gun relate measures, saying they will focus on passing a bill that would require the national criminal brown check system to apply to firearm purchases made on the internet or gun shows, legislation allowing temporary protective orders to disarm people, deemed to be a potential harm to themselves or others, and push for a, quote, debate, not necessarily passage of a ban on assault style weapons that expired during the george w. bush administration. the president sent out a tweet saying, good, and then in parenthesis, great meeting in the oval office tonight with the
nra and also the executive director of the nra sending out a tweet. a great meeting tonight with the president and vice president and all want safe schools, mental health reform to and to keep guns away from dangerous people. poet us and v-pose tuts support the second amendment and support due process and don't want gun control. we'll talk about issues legislative in this first hour and we want to hear from you on what your message would be to washington about the issue of guns and the gun debate. you can address those directly to the white house, congress, both, or other packets of the federal government. daniel starts this morning to living in washington d.c. independent line. was your message? >> caller: good morning. a well-regulated militia is the subject of the second amendment. we need to go back to the second amendment, it does not include
individual rights. it's a militia of the people, not any one individual, a community, a state, a nation, a community. and the people who say they need to keep their guns to ward off tyrannical go, i'm wondering what they're doing every day before this conflagration to start this government from being tyrannical. they've set up their own construct because they want -- the boys want the toys. and the genocide of native americans, had their own construction, slavery, had a construct that is harping us to this day. and they created a construction to arm themselves illegally -- >> host: daniel, all that said -- when you come to the
second amendment do you many it has to be reel peeled or modified? what do you mean. >> caller: the second amendment has to be read by people who can speak english. it says, a well regulate militia. >> you made that point. >> caller: for the security of the people. the government will not infringe. it didn't say they won't regulate. well-regulated. >> host: so, to my question, then -- >> host: no individual -- there's no individual rights and there's no difference between a 21-year-old shooting your family or a 40-year-old, doesn't mary what age they are. >> host: okay, let's go to pennsylvania. bren days next, democratic line. >> caller: good morning, first of all i want to say i wholeheartedly agree with the previous caller, but i just want to make one point and i would like everybody to listen to exactly what i'm saying. we have brutally tortured people to try to keep our citizens
safe. drone strikes are killing women and children, trying to keep our citizens safe. >> host: to the message on the gun debate, brenda. we're trike to talk about the gun debate. what is the message to washington to be? >> well, banning assault style weapons is somehow a bridge too far. to keep our citizens safe. yet we are doing these other things to keep our citizens safe, yet banning guns, assault weapons, that's bridge too far? >> host: they something you support? >> caller: what? >> host: banning the assault style weapons. >> caller: oh, absolutely. >> host: aside from the idea you brought about drone strikes, why do you believe in that or whoa use you like to see that type of ban? >> caller: i didn't hear your question. >> host: aside from the argue. you made about drone strikes and -- why would you like to see these type of weapon banned.
>> caller: gus they're not necessary to protect yourself. you won't use an assault style weapon in your house to shoot at a burglar. you destroy your home. you could possibly hit your wife or your kids. you're not going to use that style weapon on a burglar coming into your house. >> host: okay, dana is next. and dan is is call the opening line for forrepublicanned from california. go ahead. >> caller: hi. i would like to tell congress that it's not a good idea to arm teachers which i know that is donald trump and the nra said they both support. my mom is a junior high school teacher and i know that she could never shoot anyone in her entire life if it ever came down to it and we have talk about it and she is not thrilled with the idea. i also don't think it's positive for children to be surrounded by a vises by armed machines in school, metal detectors youch want people to feel safe but can remind them there's something to be afraid of. i think in this instance, it
seems to be coming down a debate between the school safety and second amendment rights and i don't think school safety should be compromised or looked at lightly because of second amendment rights if think school safety needs to take precedence. that's my opinion. >> host: when you hear these argument about hardening the schools themselves, making it more difficult to have these type of events happen-what is seasonable in your mind. >> caller: that's a great question. i definitely think many health needs to be at stake and it's important that kids need to get even more involved in the conversation. i don't think that kids should be surrounded by guns. i definitely think that something more covert needs to take place. don't -- i think response teams would be a great idea. first responders getting involved with the community. faster reaction times.
definitely patrol the units on campus that are trained but nothing that visibly reminds the kids, hey, you -- there is a visible threat out there. you ooh be scared. >> host: that's dana in california. offering her message to washington on the gun debate go to box web site they have a piece there taking a look at the legislative bills out there that are being discussed on capitol hill as a means to talk about the debate. just to go through some of them. the bill about a national brun guy -- the fix-nics act. it is sponsor by the senate and john cornyn, chris measurety, tim scoot, orrin hatch, diane feinstein and dean heller and jean shaheen, includes people in the house as well. another bill being discussed goes back to 2013.
it's the toomey mansion proposal. they say after the sandy hook massacre the legislators proposed the expansion of brown check to gun sales and gun shows and failed when it was put up for a vote in 2013 and lost even more snort 2015 when it was put up for another vote. the department of justice puts out a form given to gun shop owners or issue in selling guns, this a federal form that is filled out when you go to purchase a firearm. ...
you wouldo probably fill out a formhe stateside as well but tht is the information that the federal government seeks when it does its background check. it is pennsylvania, independent line, james, hello. >> caller: god bless c-span and all your viewers. it's a beautiful thing. the children are a future. teach the wall. let them lead the way. there is no gun debate. the military style weapons and that is where they belong. they they belong in the military. it belongs in the military any assault w weapon. you can sleep the damn things.
there is no debate. people should not be carrying military style weapons in the united states america. trust me. i'm going to get into politics and i will ban them and that's my platform. you want to use him, go to the military. not for deer hunting. >> host: but what makes you think there will be a change enough to ban these weapons construct. >> caller: i'm running for office and in pennsylvania and will make y a change. this c-span is the people but all you viewers we are the people. >> host: let's go to harold in minnesota, republican line. >> caller: good morning, sir. thank you for taking my call. i just got a couple of comments. first one is that there are talking about raising the age to 21 to own a long gun and at age 17 and my government they hired me and they taught me to kill people who they told me to.
what about us restaurant did we not have the intelligence to handle a firearm at age 17? the other thing, if you could, sir, and i'm not sure if we can do this or not but i think that it would be a great service if you could have a gun expert on the show and have an m4 assault rifle and an ar 15 and have them tear down show you the difference and of course they would have to have a class three license but if they could actually show the people that an ar is not an assault rifle it is a semi automatic weapon and if you could do that that would be a huge.
>> host: that's harold in montana. in fact c-span paid a visit out to chantilly, virginia, an hour drive at the blue ridge arsenal gun shop/gun range and one of the things we had a chance to talk to them about was the ar 15 style weapon particularly what are the elements of weapon and what it does and what it is capable of doing.ng here's a bit of that explanati explanation. >> this? from blue ridge arsenal. thank you for joining us. this is an ar 15 iswh the corre. >> what makes this an ar 15? what is that even mean. >> the initials ar means [inaudible] rifle, it first invented the gun and did this own destination. it does not mean automatic rifle or assault rifle. it's a semi automatic rifle built by armor light rifles. >> picket up and show us what it does. >> you've got a receiver, grip, trigger package, barrel, it's a semi automatic [inaudible] you
got a safety, some guns have adjustable pull up shooters like a small shooter you can adjust it to be shorter, taller shooters lineup of the longer arm reach. the gunot system is set up so tt i more of a passive shooter and i want a system that allows me to put patches like a light or a bird grip or competitive shooting were depend shooting of whatever it may be. we use a longer barrel for longer shot accuracy. to me it's a splitting rifle. >> it depends on what they need and then they can customize it depending on the state. >> correct. a lot of sport shooters with bigger caramel to go hunting, deer hunting, coyote hunting to get rid of vermin and stuff and it's a practical, tactical and rifle to use.
>> how much interest you have in these rifles customers? >> it goes upt and down. there are months where it is up and others when it is down. a lot more inquiring going on based off of these events happening in the next. for me i own a few of them that i enjoy shooting. >> what is the cost one of these? >> anywhere from 69925 grand depending on how you want to customize and build it. >> again, we will talk and show you what we learn from our trip to the blue ridge arsenal out in
chantilly and other related issues with background checks and the like including both stock and will show you that during the course of our prc. "the new york times" highlights one of the rifles that the caller had brought up in the main difference between the military's m-16, and poor rifle civilian ar 15 is the quote, first motor military models which allow three runs to be fired upon trigger pull in some military versions have a full automatic feature which buyers until the trigger is released or >> host: atlanta georgia, james, democratic line. >> caller: let's go back to the beginning. of the constitution which is the most arbitrary document. your the document here to the second amendment where people can have one end of the spectrum to the other. no one is right and no one is wrong. the gun problem. you have the gun problem and democrats are on the wrong issue again. they need to argue to legalize all weapons for everybody of certain age to tote weapons. you start taking the right to people who don't deserve and anyone is [inaudible] they become insane or mentally ill. a lot of people never have crimes until they commit specific, should their family or school and we need to make these people liable for these guns
because they'll lose everything that they have and they will be locked up and put in jail if these guns are not secured. the problem resolved the constitution united states. each constitution has not lasted more than 250 years. we are right there at this point in the united states. >> host: so, james, james, are you suggesting then that either repealing the second madman or changing the second amendment? >> caller: we need to have an argument about the constitution where it needs to be renewed. it is obsolete. thank you. >> host: this is from murphy's borough, tennessee. another james on her independent line. james, go ahead. talking about the message a to washington. >> caller: hello, thank you for taking my call. i got this to say. as long as the politicians do not have to go to funerals of their people they do not care. as long as you -- if the people rise up you need people like the bible say and i for an eye, and
a tooth for a tooth. when you kill my grandkids, [inaudible] thank you. >> host: michael off of twitter says to repeal the second amendment -- again, your message to washington. when it comes to the gun 8202 foroc democrats, independents, s line from tennessee. >> caller: hello. there are such high emotions about guns and i think if everyone would slow down if you
look at ten deaths in the united states and compare them to any of our civilized country something has to be done. if something has to be done for mentally ill but i agreed with the people whoho talked about te real reading of the second amendment. i think we need to band guns that can shoot targets in a hurry. i mean, people. we can't experiment with this. >> host: would you extend that to handguns as well? statistically they do more deaths to handguns versus rifles. >> caller: well, first of all, a handgun if you are bear facing someone with and i'm going to say a k to or a military weapon
and by the time they get their handgun out it may bee. too lati simply think that the nra has got to stop controlling this country and i have a daughter and a son-in-law who has six children anddr they all belong o the nra but he can't go on experiencing. we need to have better health coverage, better mental health coverage in this country but we need to get rid of guns that have magazines and bump stocks. >> host: let's go to mechanicsville, virginia, independent line, stewart your next. >> caller: good morning. thank god for the nra. at first that first gentleman
should go back and read that second amendment. i think he's totally wrong on that. you know, pedro, as far as the safety and schools to me i think it is an given that they should have metal detectors and maybe one or two of those and all the doors locked and they should have a camera system and there ought to be to licensed officers at the schools especially some of the larger ones and you have one officer watching the cameras all the hallways in all the doors and if a couple of teachers feel good about a weapon then that is fine and maybe two of them a coat or somebody and they ought toso synchronize and have drills with the two officers that are in charge off the place and they need to synchronize if something was to happen what would they
do? quite frankly most of these shootings by the time the police officers get there it is too late. it's entirely too late. >> host: is their role for washington in this debate, things that you've heard -- alberta they go? >> caller: pedro, as far as schools go state to state but the federal government gets involved in a lot of things and maybe the state. a certain amount of money to harden the schools and maybe the fed can match it so take some of the expenseth off but my goodne, the children i think it's well worthk the money. i would support something like that. >> host: that's in virginia, will be passed you to tell us is the message you deliver to washington on debate over guns and this is bill off of twitter saying:
you can agree or disagree on better. make your thoughts on the phone as well. mike in pennsylvania, your next up, republican line. >> caller: yeah, you are discussing the wrong amendment and the wrong weapon. you've got to figure out why the kid was organized because the gun can do absolutely no harm unless there is weapon behind i the gun and i think that the problem is that kids today like if you look at all these shooters they've all been bullied and picked on and they can't get away from their bully like we did when we were kids. now they carry their bully home with them in their phones and so when they go home they pick up the phone and they look at their bully or will they play world of warcraft and dream about
shooting up all these people who have been picking on them. i thank you have got it wrong. you got to figure out why the kid was urbanized and i think that you should discuss the first amendment and possibly keeping children away from facebook, snapped at, twitter and all that until they are 18 and can handle the bullying. >> host: mike from pennsylvania talks about children and access to guns and that was one of the things that came up in that meeting that the president had at the white house with legislators in one of those debates particularly with no water pennsylvania was the purchasing agent for semi automatic guns and you can see this full on c-span .org but here's a bit of that conversation. >> i would like to ask in your bill what are you doing about the 18-21? >> no change in that. >> will you leave it there? >> whatever you want to do. >> we have a change right now where someone can buy a handgun at 21 and this is not a popular
thing to say in terms of the nra but i'm saying it anyway, but you can't buy -- thing of it. you can buy a handgun but you can't buy one and you have to wait tillin you're 21. you could buy the kind of weapon used in the school shooting when you're 18 and it's something we have to think about. i will tell you what. i'm going to give it consideration and i'm the one bringing it up a lot of people will bring it up because they're afraid toan bring it up but you can't buy y a handgun at 18, 19r 20. you'll have to wait to your 21 but you can buy the gun the weapon used in this horrible shooting and you are going to decide the people in this room will decidegi but i would get. serious thought to it. i can say that the nra is opposed to it and i'm a fan of the nra. there is no bigger fan. i'm a big fan of the nra. these are great people and great patriots and they love our
country but that doesn't mean we have to agree on everything. it doesn't make sense that i have to wait don't want to get a handgun but i can get this weapon at 18. i'm curious as what you did in your bill. >> we didn't address it, mr. president. >> i think you're afraid of the nra. >> no -- that never came up. [inaudible conversations] >> a lot of people are afraid of raising the age for that weapon to anyone. >> my reservation is that the vast majority of 18, 19 and -year-old in pennsylvania who have a rifle or shotgun they are not -- they are law-abiding citizens and the money is up for hunting or shooting or target shooting and to deny them their second memo right it doesn't do anyone a favor. that's my reservation about changing the a age. >> i think it's a position but i think for the use you as a based
i thank you have to iron out that because i'm asking that question more than any other question. are you going to 21 are not? >> host: you can buy more of that on c-span .org of that conversation that took place on wednesday at white house between the president andit legislators. vaccine in michigan, independent line. talking about your message to washington on gun debate.hi i maxine, hello. >> caller: good morning, pedro. thank you for taking my call. my message to washington is to remember germany and how hitler was able to kill almost 10 million people and they were not allowed to defend themselves because they had taken all the guns away to make more perfect society. our second amendment has protected us and kept us safe and do not touch it.
in no way should the second amendment -- is our protection against a rogue government like hitler had in germany and the people that he killed there were not able to defend themselves. even the resistance had problems getting weapons. they had to use makeshift bombs to try to protect themselves. i don't want to see that in america. we do not need another germany. >> host: a paper letter from mike in moore, oklahoma, republic of mine. >> caller: yes, good morning, pedro, good to have you on the skin with your a fair and honest man. this is my complaints. the problem in all of this was the two senators yesterday one from florida and one from new jersey and the senator from new jersey totally misspoke on how you can buy a gun on the
internet. he is not writing what he was saying. people listen to this and they think all you have to do is what he said is click the mouse and you can purchase a gun. that is not true. i don't like the half truths that are out there. i believe we need to have a full conversation on both sides ofee the issue but if we do let's have the real truth amount, not just what he thanks is the tru truth. >> host: will continue on your message to washington on the gun debate and you continue to call on the phone lines or post the monitor feed or facebook page. we will do during the course of our time together we'll talk about what is happening on the state level and particularly in folder, the site of the last shooting and that is where james joined us from the tallahassee democrat and reporter. publication and james, you have a story this morning about a plan of being considered by legislators in florida that arming teachers and could you tell us about the background of this plan speak to the background in the plan is the it
comes from desperate good morning, the plan comes from the florida house and it's been championed by speaker richard corcoran and the idea is a teacher undergoes training and certification from the local sheriff department and under the authorization in control of the countyf sheriff's and teachers allowed to carry a concealed weapon into the classroom. >> host: and so, does this specifically come out of the park when shooting or was this being up for consideration.re but you know, this is idea originates with the park when shooting. it's part of a school safety gun control package that has been developed over the last ten days or so. we were this site, it tallahassee for the site of a massive demonstration probably the biggestns in eight years led by the park survivors in the
legislative response was a six-point plant that includes $400 million to school security and also raises the age to purchase a rifle on assault weapons 221 and has a three day waiting period for most gun purchases. and to better arm or make the schools more secure and allow teachers to be the first line of handsth. >> host: -- as far as reaction is concerned the headline to your story todayer says that ths plan has drawn backlash and who has been the strongest boys legislative on that backlash? >> guest: parents. parents for the most part. parents and students and traditional supporters of public schools don't like the idea at all. yesterday's newsth conference ws what i thought was dramatic was the legislative black caucus how held a news conference on
senator democratic leader has a compelling story and he's articulate when he talks about what it's like in the inner city in the urban areas and there is a lot of concern amongd prioriy parents to sending their children to schools for guns. there are studies that show the minority students are disciplinr more severely than white students andre the idea of coloring out cultural bias there are black parents do not want to send their children to schools with armed teachers given the racial situation. >> host: what did governor scott say about the legislation particularly as we heard from education forces within florida
state, teachers association, second education, where have they fallen on this contract speak to the secretary of education is a scott quincy andd governor scott does not support the plan. governor scott is very much against the plan. he is idea is to fundor the program that places a sheriff deputy in every school. he would like to see a sheriff's deputy school resource officer for every 1000 students and the legislative black caucuses in the traditional supporters in the special interest group that you mentioned are opposed to arming the teachers and they support the school resource officer idea that it's been championed by governor rick scott. here is the thing. this is how it breaks down politically and how the debate will holdol out. there is fear that these school marshall plan will make it through both houses, both chambers but it is optional and
folks want to make sure that the school resource program is fully funded so that school districts will not be forcedrc financially into the armed teacher program. to make that clear? what you, and when it comes to the area itself they made comments about these proposals? >> guest: they hate them. the nra has called the legislative response political eyewash and they say that you're punishing law-abiding citizens for the act of one crazed individual, agricultural commissioner adam putnam who is a republican candidate for governor has been announced a planth raising the age for rifle purchases with a three day waiting period and he points out that the gunman at parkland school was not even eligible for concealed weapons permit so why are we punishing innocent people? >> host: when it comes to you
talk about the legislative process as a place out it effectively is it that the. >> guest: no, will have an incredible battle today. when i went to bed last night the democrats in the senate had filed determines to be considered today when the bill comes up for consideration on the house for. there are more than five amendments filed in the form house for the proposal. in both chambers the bills are on second reading and they must be finished second reading today and so, you know, were in for a long day at four capital. were in a long discussion. this will play out to the november discussion. florida is having an intense conversation about guns are now.
>> host: i would argue that on sunday they're supposed to be some type of valley a person can mimic people there tallahassee. >> guest: yes, yes, love a to tk tallahassee. pro second minute posts are prepping for a rally in will be well attended by both sides. >> host: james is the capital reporter for the tallahassee democrat talking about what is asgoing on in tallahassee when t comes to this gun debate. you can read his work at the tallahassee democrat tallahassee .com. you for your time today to thank you, sir. >> host: back to your calls for about 20on minutes or so we are hearing from you about the message that you would like to send washington when it comes to the gun debate. franklin, florida iskl next. independent line. >> caller: good morning, pedro. thank you for c-span.
i'm calling to find out when i joined the army at 17 years old i was handed an m-16 and taught how to use it. i think it is a mental health issue that is going on and i think i don't know what they will do if they reach the age to r 21 what will they do to train our 17 -year-old in the united states forces and how will they determine whether or not they are saying enough to use weapon inve the united states forces. it's not a gun, it's a mental health issue and i think that is all i have to say but i think they willes have to do a lot of thinking about that. >> host: so you say it's mental health issue. does access to these types of weapons have any part in this discussion? >> caller: access as a second amendmentn right for law-abidig citizens but when you train a child how to use a gun it years old to do you know whatever they have to do you train them and you keep them saying enough. we have to have more mental
health protections for these kids. ipl think the videogame problems the problem. learning how to kill people on video games and they are stuck in their phones. atwe have to pay attention to te kids. the attentions to the video games and disconnecting themselves with the american public. that's all i have to say. thank you for. >> host: next up is dennis from san diego, democrat line. >> caller: good morning, pedro. this is dennis from san diego. o my message to washington is this. all teachersot are protected by the teachers union and all school principals school board members are protected by district attorneys to represent the school's but who protects the kids? every day in america there are numerous threats that go unresolved in both public and
private schools where students intimidate, molest, kick, slap, shelf other students and they gett away with it. a lot of times the reason they get away with it is because they arean a member of the school football team and the school principal doesn't want to lose games so he doesn't want to punish those people for pulling the other kids and assaulting them. that is a the problem. they could find a way to fix the law and order within the school every day that would automatically wipe out chances of future massacres because when children feel that there is no justice to the law within the school community some of them will strike out like that. columbine didn't teach these people anything. enough said and thank you,
that some of the discussion you hurt previous exchange use of the president and senators to meet and senator mansion. if you notice he's been at work you can see that meeting between the president and the legislator about the gun issue and everything else that happened in washington this week and in previous weeks when it comes to the gun issue. again we invite you to go to c-span .org and see that for yourself. jd is next, he is in maryland. republican line. >> caller: yes, pedro, thank you for having me on. the a last time we banned weapos or assault weapons during the clinton administration that created a monster by the name of timothy mcveigh. timothy mcveigh didn't fire a shot. he wentot down and bought fertilizer and diesel fuel and mixed it together and had an
ignition system such as we have on the gas grill and blew up the federal building in oklahoma. he never fired a shot. you can't blame the mechanism. that is what the clintons created wasy a time in the fait. you see my point? keep the second amendment. >> host: joanna, independent line, good morning. >> caller: yes, hey, good morning. i would like to say laws do not start people from breaking the law, right? second, why are we cherry picking with guns when i would sit there for the young people in the teens, 11 teens are killed every day, 11 teens by texting and driving.we we are losing 5000 teens a year to texting and phones. for these schools and college
kids i would love them to have signs and slogans up for getting rid of the phones is texting because they kill more of our children than guns do. >> host: so because we are debating the gun debate then in specifically keeping people what would you -- you talked about the texting and that is fine but specifically what is the message to washington when it comes to guns? >> caller: for myself i believe trains, planes, guns do not kill people. people kill people that the guns do not kill people. the guns don'te kill the peopl. the gun is just sitting there justst like the phone is sitting there. thee gun is sitting there and te telephone is sitting there. a person must literally pick it up to use it.
more available when you go to washington times website. it's good to add in san bernardino, california, democrat line. >> caller: good morning. just a couple of quick comments. i get tired of the second amendment folks preaching their lack of intellectual capacity. i'm a progressive and i like when the federal government gets involved to do business. yet the second amendment people don't realize the reason they can claim the second moment against federal regulation is because the civil war amendments allowed for the corporation so
it was the height of progressive activism to break the amendments to the state so as long as they are consistent with the second amendment and they want the fourth and fifth amendment the whole constitution to come in so us progressive can have legislation that protects the welfare of the rest of us. that would be great but they claim the second amendment and they don't even understand it. secondarily i think the place where this kickedet off the gun was tactical or something technical and it wasn't joe's fish and tackle nothing but it gives me the understanding that it was a militarized store and what i would do to washington is of them have it. he saidgu you can carry guns on federal lands and they want guns on college campuses and i actually think the second amendment applies to the federal government in there for people that are visiting the capital
and visiting w the white house d visiting every public building where these fools work should be carry guns and's back in the early 60s and 70s in sacramento and then we will see that the government in his right wing nuts are actually carrying guns. >> host: pew research center conducted a pulling on regular amount of topics including issues of guns from their pool taking and will look at american views onn gun and gun ownership in 2017. one of the charts and pulls they said about four in ten us adults say they live in a gun owning household in 42% saying they liveth in a household with a gun in 30% of those say they currently own a gun and 57% of the saintly live in a house with no gun, 11% of those say they don't currently owny a gun but live with someone who does. another one of the data find they c are saying that when it
comes to gun owners citing protection even for owning a gun onthere asked number of percente gun owner saying this is a major reason for it 67% of those say they carry a gun for protection and 38% say was for hunting in 30% say it's for sports shooting and 13% says it's part of a gun collection and only 8% of respondents say they carry a gun for their job. noel in new york, thank you for joining us this morning for your message to washington on the gun debate. go ahead. >> caller: hello, pedro. i believe that we can debate in the whole gun the second moment just we can debate that on the side but right now we've got to protect our schools. we've got to get all these schools protected with people in uniform carried a gun if necessary but the targets are soft. the only place these guys go these nut jobs are places where
they know they will not be confronted. the one inha newtown, connectic, that guy went to that school because the first target he went to was his high school where he saw a state trooper sitting there and left their and went to the middle school. first things first. we have to protect our kids like we would our money or many of these office buildings that are always protected. i believe we should be protecting the kids schools first and then have the debate about guns "after words" and it's a political thing that is on a different level and you will never put 350 million guns take them on the system. that's like putting toothpaste back in the tube. let's make these targets of these guys go to hard these targets up and that's what i
think, pedro. >> host: the weapon of itself is ati matter of debate and ammunition is also a matter of debate. some of the information we have is about statewide regulations when it comes to the purchase of ammunition for weapons and they highlight some off the things that 21 years old in california to purchase weapons for handguns and 18 for long guns in 18 for both connecticut and delaware as well as 16 when you go to states like idaho for all firearms and pretty much it's consistent through there but that some of the data sets that are available from the law center when it comes to regulations and laws and purchasing ammunition they also talk about state laws that apply to specific type of ammunition in one s of the subst features is armored piercing ammunition and they say the following states in dc be in the manufacture transfer purchase in our possession of armored piercing immigration commonly
defined as ammunition in of specific materials. we can talk about that specific information in some states like virginia he will put limits on ammunition by andnd limits in other states but that is something that the data is available in the law center. michael in south carolina, your next up. independent line. >> caller: yes, good morning. it's a pleasure to speak to you. i didn't think i would get through. >> host: go ahead, your write up. >> caller: thank you so much. i suppose honestly this is such a huge broad topic and these people are so disingenuous generally but trying to say is from a perspective of love and decency rather than combination of other people's perspective.
in any event i suppose i have one message and it would be the most effective simplest thing has to be universal background checks. every weapon, every time. these people talk about guns don't kill people killed but the gun helps. you know? you got to look at every weapon time and i continue to go on with these facts but if you have a question i'd be more than happy to try to respond in a logical -- >> host: one of the things i read in the paper this morning even on the idea back tax there's a huge debate on capitol hill over the topic of whether we agree on that kind of topic and what you think? >> caller: the politicians it's incredible. we are taught in this country to try to do the best we can into work and honest manners with
integrity and decency and the reality is these people will not. if they gave a damn they would have done something after sandy hook. i really am cynical about how they will try and addresses. >> host: when it comes to background checks this is a sample of what virginia on the stateside requires you to fill out when you go to purchase a weapon or a firearm in virginia this is from the state police there. here are some of the questions they ask you saying: it goes on from there.
those are some of the samples the firearm forms for virginia and every state has a variation of this type of form. you can probably check it out online. in missouri, democrat line hello, your next up. >> caller: thank you, peter. i want to bring up something that i don't think i've ever heard anybody talk about and that subject is protection and self-defense. my question to you is is that why guns are for, self protection, self-defense and if they are -- how can you tell somebody they don't have the right to defend themselves? or defend their families? >> host: when you pose the question the people you talk to
about this what is their response like? >> caller: well, nobody seems tw have the answer and i have not received an answer. i asked the question how do you forfeit your right to defend yourself and if someone tells you that hey, i'm taking away your right then if guns are for protection and defense how do you defend and protect those people? you have to do something. if they are for self-defense and self protection, come on now. >> host: from a viewer response to a caller on twitter this morning that you were saying: this is john saying it's called the second amendment:
that is some of the folks on twitter. can add your voice to the conversation when you go to the c-span feed. ohio, jerry, independent line, hello. >> caller: good morning, pedro. i don't think in washington can write a bill once itself. i live in a rural area and i have a semi automatic weapon several of them and there were times that i needed it when a pack of wild dogs attacked my animals. so i don't have an ar 15 and i don't want one.
i have a semi automatic rifles in here and this shooting in florida, my goodness, that is horrible. that should never happen in america. the government needs to look at themselves in the fbi dropped it twice in the sheriff department and there are all kinds of things that should come out of that i think it just by attacking weapons is not correct. another thing i wanted to mention is the talking mental health. i bought what about these military personnel that have ptsd? will that be considered a mental health problem? >> host: let's hear from destiny, marilyn, democrat line. >> caller: yes, good morning. j i just want to say that the nra and the congressman and senators that they have bought have hijacked the second moment.
it does not give anyone to build an arsenal or kill. it's about regulated militia and it that's called the military. [inaudible] is someone to handle a weapon of mass destruction and killing machine they can join the military. they can join the military. there is no place for those of [inaudible] in our civilian population. and on c-span, i believe this was last week they quoted [inaudible] out of the last five massacres they involved ar 15's. we need to revisit all types of assault weapons in these killing machines. this is no place for this in our study and preparation. schools today it'll be the churches tomorrow in the movie the next day and we will not be
safe as long as these killing machines are in a population. >> host: that destiny from marilyn. finishing up our first hour of three total taking your calls on the topic of the gun debate. no formal guest but we will hear from you for the most part this morning about this. in our second we will change the question in the lined a bit. here is what we would like to hear from you in the second hour. do you q q support or oppose chs in gun laws? you cany. be specific as what yu would like to talk about when it comesnf to the actual changes yu would like to see or oppose but that is the question. we divided the line stiffly.
support or oppose changes in gun laws and again the lines are different. we want to hear from you in the next hour. the previous caller had mentioned the ar 15 and it was our visit to the blue bridge arsenal in virginia that when the staff there give us a demonstration of the ar 15 at a range to talk about how it works and what it does here is a bit of that interview. >> we are at the shooting range of the blue ridge arsenal and tell us what you will show us that. >> ar it is a 16 caliber [inaudible] >> is it atr semi on a mac weap? >> guests. what is that mean exactly? >> inspires oneon round [inaudible] festivals travel?
>> mark, what is the perception of these weapons versus the reality as you see them? the next firearms are designed for a specific reason. the media has given it a bad name. it was designed to do damage but also design for us for people and myself to enjoy shooting. i can shoot off the ground semi automatic rifle in the designed to do a certain amount of damage. one gun that you can use these mass crimes but it isn't the gun's fault and [inaudible]
>> host: that the blue ridge arsenal in chantilly, virginia. ppthey were folks that hosted us yesterday and had us come out and they talked about the aspects of the gun debate will show you more that as the morning goes on. in the second hour do you support or oppose changes to gun laws and again the lines are different. let's startor with fletcher, noh carolina underlined for all others. this is gary from fletcher. gary, good morning, go ahead. >> caller: good morning. thank you, pedro. you asked some good questions yes back. something for the people talk about high-capacity magazines and you think that you have to change the magazine out then you
have time to brush the shooter or something. if you have five round magazines or whatever you can change them in seconds. can also just shoot four rounds whenom you go in the chamber and that doesn't stop anything. these video games if they showed people poisoning salad bars there would be people doing it every few months. teachers having guns? you can sneak up on them and shoot them with a pistol. if you know they might have guns they are the first people you will take out. >> host: as a whole it doesn't sound like you would support changes to gun laws or correct me if i'm wrong? >> caller: i don't think i would because they have hardened the doors and the windows of the school what kid keeps the kids from sitting out in the yard and getting them while they get on buses. what keeps them from getting a
car and mowing them down in the parking lot? the kids have to go in and out in the go outside to play and is impossible in its not a videogame. people that don't own guns think that everythingle will happen in slowth motion and are going to e ableo to respond and the bad gy down and that is not how it works. they will find these teachers dead with the pistols in their pockets with the safeties on. >> host: that is gary and north carolina. let's hear from michael from pennsylvania. >> caller: hello, yes, i am calling to say my opinion on there wanting to take the guns off people and taking their gun rights away. think about it is you have these people that have problems and health issues mentally or what have it and they always make the comment don't take a knife to a gunfight well if you take the
guns away from these people that have issues or anybody and anyone in general people will feel more afraid but they will not fear the gun no more if the guns are not there on the street so they will just go to the schools or the populations and citizens places and they'll have a nice. they will think well there ain't no guns w to fear so we can just fight with nice. what you do? take a nice way then they'll come with bats. it's like people say, it's not the gun to kill the people it's the people that killed the people. that is just my opinion on that and i would like to just speak of. >> host: on facebook this morning when we posted this question specifically on supporting or opposing changes in gun laws timothy responded: edwards said: kevin saying that:
those are some of the postings on a page. about 400 or so and you can your thoughts there, too. let's go to tony, capitol heights, maryland, line for others. hello, tony. >> caller: good morning. it doesn't matter to me what congress decides to do with the deep state decides to do because congress never reads the bills anyway. they take orders from corporations and sign them into law. congress never reads the bills anyway. they can do whatever they want to do. what mike in alexandria, minnesota, a member of on postman. hello, mike. >> caller: thank you for taking my call, peter. i do support the next six legislation because i think the reporting of these individuals
to the fbi database will take care some of the stuff we have to get deeper, too. several tens of thousands of people i think it was 2016 tried to buy illegal firearms that were eligiblet and the statistc showed only 44 people were prosecuted. we need to look at that angle. i think it's at the state level. again, i know a lot of the talk is about the age and raising the age of the rifles to 21 but a lot of rules states 18-21 -year-old by hunting rifles and shotguns and hunt in the western states and also the ar 15 is used in the western states to inboxes and in another caliber people will hunt deer with the capacity magazine.
>> host: mike, can i ask you a couple questions? >> caller: sure. >> host: what is the basic requirement to own a weapon in minnesota? >> caller: okay. to own a handgun or what they call a modern sporting rifle which is an assault weapon, the ar 15 you have to have a permit to purchase which means you have to go through your city or your county ando undergo a back contract. those are good for a year and you have to renew them every year and those are usually no charge. then when you go to a store or if you go to a gun show and there's a federal firearms license he that is selling the gun you have to go through another background check or a cabela store. you have to go through to back contacts but the only thing private sales unregulated and i can't say that i go to a lot of
gun shows because i live in a rural area but there is not a lot of gang members but if someone looks and i have seen it before kids have come up to try to buy guns from a private person and they'll ask for their drivers license and if they're only 17 years old they won't sale but again a lot of stuff can be taking care of at the state level. a lot of the congresspeople and some of the states that are very vocal their states have very strict rules already like connecticut in maryland. it's hard to buy handguns and assault weapons. >> host: that's mike in minnesota, a lot from law enforcement telling about state issues and how the state handles firearm purchases. he mentionedsh gun shows in the washington times if you go to a paper today has a chart that
takes a look at gun and showman back onto clause across the united states. it's mainly in the western states applying to all firearms. find out more of those details we go to the washington clients. he mentioned the fixed next on how they're working to expand the background check. senator cornyn made the case for the legislation and here's part of his argument. >> they were never uploaded in the fbi's national instant criminal back on check system. when he went to purchase firearms he lied about his record and there was nothing in the criminal back on check system to show that he lied and denied him dust deny him the opportunity to purchase the weapons. this failure to enforce the back onto clause allow the shooter to walk into a gun store, pass a
back on check and illegally purchase a firearm. this bipartisan legislation would tighten background tech system andna it supported by people all across the political spectrum and it's even cosponsored by the democratic leaders senator schumer. it supported by every town for gun safety and all sides of the gun debate leaders on the republican side and republican side alike. mentally ill people are prohibited by law by current law purchasing or possessing firearms in this to make sure that these are enforced and history is uploaded into the next database by state and federal authorities. for years our colleagues across the aisle say they want the help stem thel tide of gun violence prettified dangerous criminals and this is their chance and this is our
chance this is our chance to show the nation that we refused to accept schools in shootings in churches as normal. >> host: the senator before he made those comments referenced what took place in sutherland springs texas that got him with other legislators together to make that bill and to fight that bill passage and it stands as many other vegetative efforts with no direct path in situ passage but that some of the going on in capitol hill when it comes to gun laws. you can support those changes to t gun laws and maybe you oppose them but we invite you and the rest of the sour to let us know again we divided the lines gun owners and law-enforcement and others and we will go to a gun owner and this is janice in louisiana.
hello. >> caller: hello. everyone should be licensed, registered and insured when buying a gun just like owning a car. the georgia governor should rethink his punishment of delta airlines for doing the right thing and actually the faa doesn't allow guns to be brought on any airline also no one should be carrying guns into meetings or i other public placs and all other airlines should step up and support united and delta. >> host: y insurance in your mind? >> caller: because that would preclude people willy-nilly find guns and it would cost money to the individual. etthey might rethink. >> host: let's hear from another gun owner. brian in maryland, gun owner, hello. >> caller: yet, this is brian.
tacoma, dc. >> host: my apologies. >> caller: no problem. my problem with shotguns but i do support changing all laws and as far as gun owners and i would like to ask you pedro, why you were going to a gun range in the very controlled environment that makes guns look like they are safe but i think your peoplesoft what guns do to the human body they would definitely change their minds about this. we only see the victims as far asfa high school teachers but wn you see what a gun does to human being and what toll it takes. people would see it like the vietnam war was ended because we saw both happening but were not releasing the victims and not seen the children and not seen what is happening and how guns are going through them and
bullets are ripping them up. that is what i am saying. you're notas seeing what is goig on and we're talking at it from a clinical point. >> host: brian, the point you made as far as you want all gun laws to change where would you start that. >> caller: i would start with having no automatic weapons as far as in your home that you could have something to protect yourself but as far as the military assault weapons they should be banned and like the lady saidul we should have some insurance and people should be charged and have to pay because these people who do survive and have medical issues that are going to have to be addressed by the taxpayer and so i think owners ofer these guns should he to pay and lose everything that they have. >> host: you said you are a gun owner. >> caller: i have a shotgun in
my house. >> host: what is the entrance of the lady talk about what it became so much a stop you from the ownership of the gun. consider your position. >> caller: no. to be honest and this is i want to say this most people that own guns are cowards. that's the way i look at it. if you are not if you are so afraid that you to have, you know, 25 guns in the house and there is something wrong with you. i think what we're seeing is chickens are coming home to roost like not the next set. the violence that we are sending out is coming back and we really need to stop and think. what we are doing is causing lives to lost in this argument about the second amendment it doesn't hold water with children are dying. it just doesn't. >> host: let's go to paul in new york, our line for all others hello. >> caller: hello, peter, i love ccn. i couldn't agree more with the fellow that was just on and i'm
a non- gun owner. australia did the right thing. they let the people decide. a i see no reason for anyone to own a semi automatic weapon and there is no reason for it. what would be wrong with to start with to have this -- with have a referendum. was wrong with referendum to let the voters decide and that is my point when he said there's no reason to on the type of weapon and say you hear from a sport shooter and he says it's a recreational activity purely and how you respond to that. >> caller: that is really one week argument. someone's hobby is more important than all those kids lives? give me a break. >> host: dave in irvine, california, him himself a gun owner. >> caller: hello. i wanted to make a point that first fall problem is in the guns. people say they are but it isn't. problem is when these people go on these rampages and kill tons of people they don't do anything to them.
that guy that killed the kids they will not do anything to him. he will get put in prison and that is the problem. people do this and do mass shootings they should be put to death and there shouldn't be a trial or that sucker. they have all the rights and the people getting killed have no rights. another thing, people want to get rid of these guns but let me tell you something. it's better to have a gun then not to have a gun because you are in a situation where you need a gun, you will wish you had oneap if you don't have one. >> host: so do you believe in ownership of automatic style weapons? >> caller: i think a person should be able to own any gun they want because the reason is to have a nuclear war which we are bound to have you wish you had an automatic weapon. i'm telling you, it could happen any day. you hear it on the news anytime that they're saying let's have a nuclear war and trump is saying it all the time and no one seems
to care because they're getting their big tax breaks. >> host: let's goo do alabama district for that, some of the business news that has a stamp on this issue of the gun debate and some of it highlighted in "the wall street journal" this morning particularly the gun% manufacturer smith & wesson in the paper is reporting: story also adds:
tuscaloosa, alabama, larry, hello underline for others. go ahead. >> caller: how you doing this morning, pedro? >> host: fine, thank you. >> caller: hello to c-span and begin taking my call. i like to annotate this. i know this one thing that you brought attention to a gun salesman. mark, you asked him how fast can a bullet travel and he answered rapidly but he never told you how far that bullet can travel. these semi automatic weapons are combat weapons and they have the maximum effective range of at least 350 yards, people, that the length of three football fields. just imagine you go to someone with a semi automatic weapon close up and shoot them in the
head and that bullet can travel that far and they close up on you that is a serious damage people. they are shooting our children. they are shooting people in churches. >> host: larry, with that in mind any changes you would like to see? >> caller: i would like to see a ban on semi automatic weapons. i like to see them have at least law enforcement inside the schools and maybe some of these churches but let the teachers have a weapon especially like the nra said more weapons and they'll say let's have more guns and instead of letting the people who are in charge of these weapons and the law enforcement have trained to know what to do about these weapons they need to manage these semi
automatic weapons, pedro. >> host: okay. let's go to spring hill, florida, gun owner, jeff. >> caller: and my aunt. >> host: you are on. go ahead. >> caller: thank you. i am a gun owner and i am in fullll support of banning mility grade weapons for citizens in this country to own and i have heard a lot of different comments today and some of them made a lot of sense to me. one is that we do have an armed militia within this country called the national [inaudible] and i think it should be under local control, not federal control. that way the american citizen have a way of protecting themselves against an armed attack and there is only one reasonable defense for owning military grade weapons and that is to protect yourself against your own government. in which case, if you have enough firepower to take over
the united states military year ar 15 is not going to help you it will just make you dead. i don't want people to take away my right to defend my home and my property in my family but i also think that if you have weapons of mass destruction and that is not defense. mass destruction weapons are meant to kill mass of people and the average citizen does not needed that, nor should they hae it. >> host: jeff, i'm curious to find out how your arguments play out with other gunowners. >> caller: well, there is a lot of people who seem to think in the case stating that you are not going to be allowed to have any kind of weapon and that is not so. that is not what these people are trying to do. they are trying to take weapons that can kill people in the mass quantities away from the average person. let's face it, you're not allowed to have a flamethrower
and you're not allowed to own nuclear weapons or grenade launchers and all the rest of the things that you need in order to defend yourself against a military operation against the citizens and as far as defending yourself against the average citizen or a peanut that is out there trying to do something it's a standard normal weapon such as shotguns as far as pistols and the rest of these things are adequate in order to do that. what they should do is put restrictions on entrances and exits so they can scan these people who come into schools to make sure they're not caring drugs or weapons on them and you can do that with dogs and metal detectors. you can also have weapons inside the school if necessary locked in a very good safe inside the principal's office. >> host: will leave your thoughts there. we are political. this is the toledo blade with
governor capek missing his case for changes in done matters saying that is on thursday that he unveiled a package of gun law reform. virginia, kevin, good morning underline for others. >> caller: hello. i'm not talking about taking weight gun rights and such as that but a personal property tax on each gun to pay for the metal detector and for the security in our schools in the churches or wherever it is needed because here in virginia we pay a price
of the property tax on our car and the people that don't own a car don't pay the tax. i don'te own a gun and don't wt to but maybe a personal property tax on each weapon to pay for everything and maybe raise the age up to be one for automatic rifles but not for shotguns and such. that's all. thank you. >> host: in south carolina, scott, gun owner, good morning. good morning. pedro, i'm a gun owner myself and i live out in a rural country and i don't oppose any changes but i do oppose what i think the caller from louisiana said about everyone registering and registering their guns. i don't know if people are aware but that federal firearms form that you fill out to purchase a gun is retained by the retailer for only ten years. after ten years it is destroyed and the reason they have that is so that there is not a record of everybody that is how guns, you know, if everyone is worried
about the federal coming down and that's why they put that provision inio the law there is not going to be a permanent record of you having that gun so the government can't come and figure out calling on you because they know every gun you have. >> host: scott, like i said, we show people the before and will showhe them again as far as the federal transaction record but you said you did was change other than that. why is that? >> caller: like i said, i don't want the government having a permanent record of every citizen that has a gun. >> host: but as far as other changes to the proposed that in your mind is everything acceptable or are there limits aside from the registry part? >> caller: well, here, there are limits. in this particular case and that is what is got this whole thing all stirred up is there weree system failures.
we don't hold people accountable for that system failures. there is no sense in it and i don't have any problem with strengthening the gun laws and the sales of gun shows and if someone is out there selling guns, ten a week and going around the better have a federal firearms license to sell that gun and to keep up with all the records just like the retailers do one scott in soccer lineup. again, for the first half hour and the second hour if you would support or to post the changes to gun laws and we've divided thehe lines differently. we will continue on with that and if you want to continue to call in the second half hour we
invite you to do so and post on our social media sites as well. we talked funny the morning about statewide efforts when it comes to changes in gun laws and if you were paying attention to "the new york times" over the last couple of days it was on tuesday that a story by catherine and jeff appeared in the paper talking about some of those rules and changes in proposed changes across the united states. she joins us. good morning to you. >> guest: hello, how are you? >> host: fine, thank you. from your story earlier this week one of the things he focused in on was rhode island. tell us what is happening there. >> guest: yes, sure. governor of rhode island earlier this week she signed an executive order and she did that on monday to establish a policy to take guns away from people who pose a danger to themselves or others and it's one of the so-called extreme risk or red flag laws. or policies. it exists in five states already in california or connecticut but
earlier this week the governor decided to put one in place by executive order. she also rhode island is also aljoined with connecticut, massachusetts, new jersey and new york in a new coalition to combat gun violence and their goals are to create multistate database and that is supposed to trace and intercept guns crime or transport against the lines. an effort among states to work together. >> host: when it comes to rhode island what was the reaction from other members of the legislator and other concerned parties? >> guest: i think the reaction was largely positive and it's a democratically controlled state so she has also called for an assault weapon ban in the state and there wasn't a huge kind of front of opposition there and i think it is something that a lot
of people democrats feel comfortable with. >> host: we talked about the florida there and you also talk about vermont and these extremist capabilities and give us a sense and between members of the governor themselves and the house and senate there. >> guest: vermont is an interesting situation and it's always been a very liberal, very progressive state and it is but it is also one that has some of the more lax gun laws in the nation. there's a culture of funding and that's the thing up there. for governor scott was a republican the day after parkland he toldbo a local paper that he didn't see a need for changing gun laws. he said he believed that the gun
laws in the state were balanced. just about a date later on for some announcers arrested a student at a high school and he was accused of planning a mass shooting in his area and governor scott said he was, quote, jolted by that. he called it a reality of how close we came to another tragedy. he saide that as a result he'd been asking himself the state was doing enough to protect kids and he said he wanted to put everything on the table. this week the state senate passed an extreme risk of bill and also passed a background check bill in both of those are expected to go to the house. it's not clear quite how fast that will happen but it's an about-face for vermont in a governork who just a little over a week ago said that he didn't want to see change and now he will support these changes.
>> host: if you go to the state of illinois, a consideration there of licensing when it comes to gun retailers what is being considered. >> guest: yes, in the house in illinois this week lawmakers passed a bill that would require anybody in the business of selling, leasing or transferring firearm ownership to be licensed in a way that a beauty shop owner might be licensed or a car dealer that sort of thing. that bill was approved by the senate last april in the house up did this week and it should it will go to the governor and the republican governor and he has avoided weighing in on specific proposals and a spokesperson this week told the chicago tribune that she declined to say specifically whether or not he supported the measure but it should be on his desk and we will see what happens.
also lawmakers passed the pump stockman and voted to raise the minimum age to purchase a weapon at age 21 and a 72 hour waiting period for assault weapon buyers can receive their firearm. quite a bit of movement in the state house this week. >> host: finally, we go to texas, specifically in the shooting with the governor reacting in certain ways and how did you react. >> guest: so, after the shooting governor greg abbott, republican, sent a letter to the texas education agency commissioner in that letter ordered safety information to be distributed to all schools and asked him to take steps ensuring all completed schools have safety habits and multi- hazard plans in place. >> host: and that is a rundown of some of the states and how they are consideringme gun laws. just, she's highlighting the pages of "the new york times" and she is joining us on the
phone. thank you for your time this morning. >> guest: absolutely. thank you so much for having me. >> host: we go back to your calls on supporting or y opposig changes to gun laws. let's go to scott, i'm sorry, we heard from scott. go to warren in washington dc, a member of on. >> caller: good morning, sir. i'm calling in one thing one your callers called about when they spoke about the ar 13 you have going on the average protector is about 53 feet a second. you have something in a regular officer on the street would carry a 9-millimeter pistol which travels about 1200 picoseconds. it seems like it's a dramatic, drastic the two rounds but no human can move that fast. between right now is trying to figure out a way to prevent individuals from buying farms. what we could do possibly is
individuals have a high school diploma or ged or something they haven't completed some type of formal education we shouldn't sell them the firearms. age is not the difference. it's the amount of mental capacity of an individual. you can have 18 -year-old person that has a mental disability but would you sell him a firearm if they don't register it or they never registered the disability they could bypass any rules orns regulations just like it does make sense. >> host: c would wait till their 21 or is there another age in your mind? >> caller: no, i'm saying let's make sure the individualca with the bring in your school diploma just like you bring your id, social security card back on track. you do all these things and go through a process of fingerprinting and you wait two or three weeks before you pick up your firearm but who is to say this is a plan to of and
then another thing is it's a mental issue. a lot of folks have taken farm orwith servicewomen. it's just like military. they will kill themselves with their service pistols. they go through the list strenuous background. the background checks that's changing anything. it will not prevent anything. it may help out a little but it will not be enough because this is something that happened that day or the day before the make someone say this will be my reaction to someone else's actions. >> host: what type of wanted you to. >> caller: [inaudible] >> host: let's go to emporia, virginia, a line for others. we will hear from more. >> caller: hello, how are you? >> host: fine, thanks. >> caller: my thing is they should manufacture ar 15's so it only holds four-six rounds.
[inaudible] ... if they were to e ar-15 style weapon so it will only hold four to six rounds, then you wouldn't have that problem. they can manufacture it so it won't take that 15 round magazine. that is where your problem lies. you don't hear anybody using to go in the door and shooting. if they would go out there and make that air 15 so it would hold three to six rounds that would solve the problem. i'm not saying that, to stop making it because like i say you have some people that like sport shooting but they should make it so it won't hold a 15 round magazine and if they would do that i think it would solve the problem.
>> host: you would oppose changes to gunng laws? pamela you are next. >> caller: and my odd now? >> guest: . >> host: yes you are. >> caller: i don't oppose. i own a gun myself and i don't want to the 2nd amendment taken away or anything like that. i think the individual states should jump on it like they are doing now. that's a good idea that the states set their own ways. i do think the age limit should be 21 and i do think they need to let us know what the mental capacity is for thesee people that are doing these acts so that way we will know what to look for it. i don't think every mental patient should have a gun taken away when we don't really know what kind of mental background they held. >> host: what do you on as far as weapons are concerned? >> caller: i own a nine.
>> host: how difficult is it to purchase a weapon in texas? >> caller: i have a concealed carry. posted by mean how was it to get approved to buy a weaponon and? >> caller: i took the class and that i got the gun. i didn't realize that all of this existed. i got it back when i was 27 and i'm almost 47 now. those go on the line for all others from indiana rebecca. hi rebecca how are you? >> caller: good morning. i just have a couple of things to say. i am for the gun laws. last year my husband came in while i was at church and i didn't know it at the time but he was psycho. he set my house on fire and
killed my three cats. he ended up torturing one of my dogs. he was sent down to a misdemeanor but some of the gun laws should have been changed years ago and now he is able to have a gun. they are talking about mental changes and all that. it might help some people but it's not going to help all these people. some of these people can actually have the capacity to outsmart some of these.years. it might help some but it's not going to help everybody. when i was a kid i had a felony on me and it was a stupid charge of now although i it's off my record i'm not about to own a gun to be able to protect myself and i can't even lay down at
night wondering if he is going to come back. it seems like there needs to be a system on that. it's not fair to somebody who hasn't been able to change their life around and we can't protect ourselves yet some of these criminals can go out and do whatever they want to do. >> host: okay let's go to james and virginia. a gun owner. we are just in hearing if you support or oppose changes in the gun laws. >> caller: i don't think changing the law would help anything. the nra has got a bunch of laws. they need some deterrence. instead of locking them up for 25 years they need to -- [inaudible] but the democrats are crying and whining over 15-year-old gets
killed, 16-year-old gets killed and their 60 million babies killed and they are worried about that. >> host: that's james and virginia. opposing changes in te gun laws. one of the things we have learned while taking a trip to virginia was the bump stocks, what it is to what it does in its capacity. here's a bit of that interview. a device allows the shooter to shoot a couple of rounds quicker than you would with just a single trigger pull. it's an old-schoolan thing with the trigger guard on your belt loop. it isn't for accuracy. it's just more for additional shooting. i got mine six years ago. it's not very accurate but when you're ad doris at target it's a
cool thing. >> host: walk us through how ital works. >> guest: i can use a single shot application. if i choose to have a little fun with that i can unlock it and it simply allows the stock to move freely so by applying pressure on the firearm itself it allows me to basically move it like this. it just helps to do semi-arctic a lot faster. >> host: i was about to ask you when this devices on it's not classified -- >> guest: it means one trigger pull. semi-avid medic is one-shot. this is a rapidfire semi-automatic. >> host: so here's the ammunition. >> guest: some guns can be 2
modified to shoot small rounds or larger rounds. it's fun to shoot so you can have an ar platform. >> host: how often do you get asked about the device and how many do you sell? >> we haven't sold any for five years until what happened in vegas. >> host: when you tellll people about it walk them through it and what are the questions you have from people. the ones they are asking about now -- i own two of them and i don't use mine anymore. cisco again there's a little about the ammunition there could be go to the web site the gifford law center web site he talks about the ammunition laws made by the state of virginia per se. it's unlimited purchases of ammunition there. the o only type of ammunition yu can l buy you go to the gifford
law center for more information on that. in minnesota and all others talking about this idea supporting urged changing ideas to gun laws. go aheadad. >> caller: i really think they should ban all guns on the premises. when you go to a hospital they have no guns on the hospital property and the government buildings no guns and when you go to libraries. i feel they should be starting that straight across especially with schools, churches, and a public place. all guns are banned in public places. it would make it a lot safer. i do not own a gun and when i see that guns are not allowed in public places i feel a lot safer than anything we should and all guns on properties in public
places and no assault weapons. there is no reason for people to own one but if you have to own one don't bring them out in public. >> host: this is the conversation. republicans better neutralize the issue before the republican election and in south dakota a gunno owner, beth. >> caller: i just think we are better off before we put in a whole bunch of new laws to fix these induce him fixing the ones that are there. obviously there were some breakdownsns in reporting on the florida issue in there have been other cases of that. before we go-go wholesale on all kinds of the laws i think we that. do i thinknk the states have more rights to legalize it. i'm from a very rural state and i live in a very rural area. i have guns - here and part of t is for my security and protection.
the soonest law enforcement could get to my house for the 15 minutes and maybe longer so i can keep them for protection and i'm also a hunter. >> host: what types of guns if i mayt ask. >> caller: i have a 9-mm pistol and a rifle and a semi-asthmatic 22. >> host: maybe you've heard people talk about this idea of holding back or abandoning the ar style weapons, what do you think about that argument? >> caller: i think that should be a last resort to the bump stocks maybe. i could go with that but starting to ban particular rifles, like i said i prefer that they look at the books. there are a lot of laws on the books. look at those and see how well we are following them and if there needs to be tweak to those let's tweak the laws that are
arctic air before we logjam it with a bunch of new stuff. >> host: let me ask you but the bump stocks. why would you be okay with that? >> caller: just because i know it still consider a semi-automatic but it does push code close to being automatic like being automatic so that would be miami reason for for that. i'm just leery when you start banning one style of writebol how you start banning a lot more more. it just makes me nervous so i'd rather just go with that. >> host: from tennessee markets on our line for all others. mark, good morning. >> caller: yes, good morning. we need to put perspective on this whole situation. i believe in the right to life and i don't understand the 2nd
amendment it's a lengthy legislative process and you have to get two-thirds of the state toin ratify that. what really bothers me is democrats on television talking about safety and protecting children but planned parenthood, they all support that. planned parenthood murders innocent children everyy day. no one seems to care. no one seems to see that contrast. >> host: back to the gun issue would you support efforts on the state level to make changes to the law? >> caller: i would. there are certain states that have them in place but i've never owned a gun in my life. to me it's irrelevant. it's really a non-issue. >> host: let's go to derek in chicago on all other. you are next. >> caller: good morning, guess i am definitely for banning the ar fit teen.
that weapon was developed for wartime. it's just that simple. i've seen a shell from years ago in the ammunition is meant to do damage. it does a lot of the internal damage to a body and on stocks i have shot one before and you almost can't tell a fully automatic from using that bump stocks. that should not be allowed. i think the 2nd amendment thing we went way too far with it. in the 1700's they were shooting muskets then. anything that is made for war, civilians shouldn't be allowed to have them. >> host: if you have shot him bump stop before i imagine you are comfortable with guns.
>> caller: i am not opposed to owning firearms for protection. as a matter of fact i have a conceal and carry here in chicago and i carry a 38 revolver. that's good enough. when i was coming up 32 and 38 was the most popular gun. it was a revolver and that's what i have now and that's what i carry. >> host: when it comes to the city of chicago how difficult is it to get not only a firearm for the conceal carry permit? >> caller: if you have a background -- clean background it's not hard to get one for five or $600. >> host: that is the cost. how much information do you have to give in order to get those guns? >> caller: you have to give a
lot of information and through the fbii and all of that. you get notified in a month and a half or two months. >> host: that is derek with his experience in chicago about guns. for the next couple of minutes your thoughts on changes to gun laws. fromn montana a member of law enforcement, jim, hi there. >> caller: good morning, how are you? >> host: fine, thank you. >> caller: i have a law enforcement background and i probably have more experience with firearms than the majority of people. our issue goes back the 1968 gun control laws and i believe question nine state specific way if you do have certain mental
health conditions you can't own a firearm. only 27 states are in compliance with that right now today. virginia change their laws after the bird genia teck shooting. if they had been in compliance that would have, stopped. we need to enforce what we have. also when i was in high school students had firearms in their vehicles on school property. it was a given. there were gun racks 20 feet from our gymnasium. at no time did anybody walk out grab a gun and shoot up a school. what is change change plex we have semiautomatics. this is a society issue and until we address that nothing is going to change. >> host: question nine isn't even acquitted by reason of insanity or -- pursuant to the
law. you can probably find it on line if you want to read it for yourself to it on our line for others jim in new york. hi there. >> caller: hi. i like that going into the gun store, teach people some stuff. i don't know what to say it's a terrible situation but i don't think it's an epidemic. it's in all the schools across the country. these are isolated incidents. i'm not pooh-poohing it by any means and don't think i'm saying it's okay but don't you think the media goes completely haywire and salivates when something like this happens? what do youou think? do you have a comment on that class. >> host: i will leave the comments to the viewers to watch the program. ralph next in michigan.
hello. ralph in michigan, hello. >> caller: yes. this is a different story. i would like to know why nobody says anything about donald trump spending on -- spending all this money going on vacations. >> host: that is not our topic. support or not the gun laws. >> caller: i will be honest with you, when you buy a gun there should be insurance on it. cars kill, right? guns kill. when you driveyo a car you haveo have insurance on it. >> host: okay, ralph was the last call for the second hour. we devoted to the program to the topic of issues of the gun debate you have heard about for the last several weeks. we have dealt with two hours of questions one on gun ownership
and one on messages to congress. this last hour we are going to hear about the students you've seen in the media and other places particularly from part one florida but from other places and possibly demonstrations where you live yourself. we are interested in hearing from you about their impact on the gun debate. the voice they have, the impact they havein made. do you think it will have long-lasting change? maybe you disagree with some of the way the students have been acting out on this but here's your chance to tell us about the gun movement and its impact on the gunn debate. students and parents (202)748-8000- and if you are an educator (202)748-8001 and a gun owner (202)748-8002 and all others 202-7488003 and post your
thoughts on twitter and their facebook page. the atlantic earlier this week put out a piece on its web site helped parkland students change the gun debate. here's a bit of that piece this morning. this diamond dive with survivors has a rare and perhaps unique voice in the debate that they are old enough to advocate for themselves yet young enough to still about a certain innocence to retain a certain idealism about how the world should be. they come across as fearless and fragile and like all other teenagers they haveat no tolerae for a bs. a highly educated affluent white-collar enclave that kind of self-confidence and media savvy youth to change the world could these are teams have been raised to know their values and expect their voices to be heard. they have cultural resources and they know how to navigate the
system. that's from the atlantic this morningel helped parkland studes have changed the debate. the "washingtonho examiner" in a recent editorial of mayors takes a look at the debate and directs part of that to what they have seen and heard over the last couple of weeks they actors writingg the debate has hampered the discussion picked up along in the coverage. the pain and fear they feel are pertinent to the debate. such events are nevertheless momentarily traumatic for many of them. shouldn't confuse emotion and drama for policy argument. we shall listen to these students describe their peers and paid for no 16-year-olds should be considered a policyot expert. television is turned almost exclusivelyd to high school students for policyul recommendations confirming the late allen bloom's warning about the displacement of thought by passion.
that's typically taking a look at the students and the role they have been in not only in heartland as you probably heard and students walking out of class to demonstrate what's going on. 20274880014 parents in educators educators. in (202)748-8003 for all others. we will start with kevin this morning. he is in pennsylvania. go ahead. >> caller: i see what that guy was saying that makes pretty good sense that basically the kids aren't taxpayers. they are not out of school. their parents should have the culpability to understand these
kids. wouldn't you think and i can't see how it should be a big impact because their parents would be thean ones that know wt to do. we are missing things here big time. the last debate you had about the discussion would it possibly be better for psychologists to be in the school and see each kid to know when a kid is a firecracker ready to go off? would that be a better way to look at it, to get to the root of the problem? we aren't going to get to the root of the problem. we are afraid to face the facts i think. >> host: on our line for others, michael go ahead. >> caller: i'd like to contact the present by e-mail and explain to him that a great
deterrent would be metal itectors in schools because would knock out at least 85% of what comes an animal if the students some kind of cushion of safety s because those are hardo get high any kind of context. it should be mandatory and also raising children at home. raced around guns you have --. >> host: what you think about their impact overall on the debate? >> caller: welfare, they shouldn't have the feasibility of saying what is right and wrong on the issue of gun control if they aren't going to have a deterrent. do you see what i'm saying? they will have to have legislative lawmakers make something that works. they can't just protest and nobody does anything. in louisiana you go out back hunting and they don't have a
lot of big problems here but they were raced around the issue. if they don't buy guns, that's fine but you can't blame the nra frolicked the. sect tv. they are going to lobby with money. they are debate is in gun controlon they don't like guns t all. there's going to be big mishap onon that. >> host: let's go to tony and claremont california. he is an educator. hi tony. >> caller:ca hi. i'm so grateful to beyond this to speak out. i work in a school. i am a counselor. i deal with kids who come and go in school. they are angry and they get expelled. i have had incidents at schools where i felt unsafe because i don't know if the kids going to come back and shoot me. it was three miles from the san bernardino shooting. we were on lockdown.
i'm scared to death sometimes in the school thinking someone's going to come in the front door. i did not want to arm teachers. it's ridiculous to think that teachers would be carrying weapons in schools. >> host: so tony what you think about the students and the debate and the impact it might have? >> caller: i love the students voices and i disagree with the previous caller who was saying that they shouldn't have a voice andy they are not tax periods. that is ridiculous. kids need to have a voice and kids are super thoughtful and they are excellent world models. the kids in florida i am behind them 100%. i have a daughter and i want her to be safe in school. i don't want teachers armed in schools and if my daughters speaks out, and i don't force her to speak out but if she were to speak out on the issue i'd be grateful that she is involved in
the discussion. >> host: what grade do you teach? >> caller: i am a counselor so i work at a high school. >> host: when it comes to what they have been saying since the events in florida, what are you hearing? >> caller: i'm hearing that they want something to be done. they want something to be done on the issue. they are tired of the nra filling the pockets of politicians and then the politicians are afraid to do anything. our president is like a beach ball. he goes back and forth between the nra and the people speaking out against guns and whoever is the last person he speaks to, that person is in his mind and he doesn't have a leg to stand on when it comes to any issue especially guns because he doesn't take his dance against people that have paid for him to be president of the united states.
>> host: okay let's go to illinoisis, don, hello. >> caller: hello, thank you. good morning to s c-span and i'd to give my condolences to the families that lost kids in thiss massacre. i am a liberal democrat and a gun owner. i have a gun collection. i have an ar-15 in that collection. i have had that done for probably five to six years and it probably shot at a dozen times. i use it fordo recreation. i don'tdo think banning the assault weapon is the answer. the answer is what failed that school in florida was the local sheriff's department, they fbi and we need to tighten the background checks and we need to tighten the mental health aspect
of checking a person out if they have something like that on the record. >> host: dog comes into her gun owner gun owner and you have a certain perspective on this what goes through your mind when you see the students one television or going to rallies or things of that nature about this issue? how much attention do you pay to them? .. mmend the kids for doing that. but -- to you thinkh sway they should have then and potentially changing legislation or legislators listening to them? how much voice should they have in this issued? -- in this issue? caller: i think they should have a voice. i don't think their boy should be the overall prospectus because, i hate to say it, their kids.
i say give their voice, but i don't think it should be the rule. >> let's go to baltimore maryland. a gun owner. this is joe. hello. >> i believe that the voice of the youngsters, on the argument whether you think they should or not because they have poisoned their thoughts and those are listening too it. it will ultimately have some influence. i think this debate on guns and that's the debate they should be having. that's the argument on guns, it's like a cloak for those politicians who been kicking the can down the road.
>> joe in maryland, give us your thoughts. if you go to the washington times this morning, it takes a look at parents and schools across the united states, how they personally are pushing for better security at school. this is rebecca and michael saying in monroe township new jersey, 400 people crowded the meeting last week on school security. some rattled by rumors of an unsubstantiated threat online, the school system already has on armed guards, the mayor and police chief assigned officers to patrol each of the towns eight schools. it's expected to cost them 200,000 for the first two months. a week ago and armed officer in barboursville kentucky, paid by theap parent donations for at leastre the rest of the year, according to the police chief they said it was a couple parents who approached him about that idea and they
are working to raise money for next year. state legislatures are also considering neweg measures. they said in a radio interview thursday that he expects pushes for changes to lean toward solutions with beefed-up training. asa hutchinson signed an executive order thursday forming a commissionable look at school design, security policy and mental health. the initial report is due july 1. that's the parent side of it. we are interested in hearing from you about the student influence on there debate over guns. things you've seen, read, seen on television, maybe protest in your hometown and the type of influence they are having on this discussion. in pennsylvania, this is james, hello. good morning. how are you. >> i'm well. >> the ban on gun things will not work because there will always be guns. i'm a gun owner, i'm a liberal
democrat who owns guns. i see every day what's going on and nobody's talking about the kids were overdosing. where these drug pushers, nobody saying it. not doing about it. i guarantee these kids, you could probably get a couple who couldn't pass a drug test. i understand you've got the right to do that. back when i was a kid during the 60s with the vietnam war, everyone was protesting. i went with them. i backed it in. what a fouret i was. but i think they need to go in the direction that's unified. everybody has to get together and talk this out. to give you an instance, we have a police officer at the local gradeschool in town. i was there the other day and he came out with all the kids. he's a target. he should be concealed or dressed like there janitor, i don't know whether the gunmen wanted to he would get him first and thenn he would get
the kids. >> gentleman from arkansas, good morning. >> the morning. you're on. go ahead. >> i support the kids. i don't agree with the guy, i believe children, i was a homeless liaison and i taught studentsta and they need their voice. their voices need to be heard. when they are speakingrd about budgets, they are right on target because sometimes what influences the municipalities are dollars and sometimes they address this issue according to how it would affect their budget or theirnd livelihood or their stay in office. the students said enough is enough. they need to focus and come together on those issues. whether it's the state for the county that's shifting the blame for the responsibility
onto the next level. they need to come together and focus. when the president said to the students, we need to do something and do something now, and then he made ant comment about teachers, they don't want teachers armed, they saw a teacher last last week, he had a gun shooting and he was a teacher. >> there is a plan to have a rally in washington d.c. to talk about the gun issue. that plan initially took place in a small, this is just an in the pages of the washington post saying a planned rally against mass shootings can be held later this month because it is a talent show. a permanent application filed last week by survivors of the schoolmaster indicated the march for our lives rally will
be march 24 with half-million attendees expected. a spokesman for the park service said organizers proposed holding the event on the mall that were looking to be in other locations after it conflicted with the film permit. it was for student group at a local educational institution but he wouldn't name the institution because applications are withheld. the redacted park service permanent application get the application showed it was for a student projectfi related to filming for are talent show. more of that is available in the washington post this morning. twitter is available and putting out information about the march for life. more details coming out of that saying it will take place marc march 24, it will start at noon near the capital building, we hope to see you all there is the tweet this morning. again it's scheduled for march
the 23rd period sue, go ahead, your next up from illinois. >> hello. my condolences to all families who have been victims of violence but i was a public health nurse for 25 years working in the neighborhoods and high-risk neighborhoods in chicago. i think these kids are right on target. they have an important voice. some of these kids, i'veey watched the interview on msnbc and these kids are extremely knowledgeable. they're well-informed and articulate and they need to be heard by policymakers. >> i think they are asking for better enforcement of existing gun laws that republicans want to cut budget and give tax breaks to corporations so where's the money for better enforcement.
there also needs to be more support for this young man who called in a school counselor. they need resources to help thesee troubled kids and instead of expelling the most troubled kids, putting them out on the street with no resources for those families, there needs to be alternative schools for these troubled kids instead of expelling them, putting them into alternative resources, and also for kids who are dropouts. >> so sue, back to the actual students were protesting and making their voice heard on this issue, we had a few viewers who said we should consider their age as far as not only speaking out but how much they should be able to influence policy decision. >> these kids, and some schools in chicago, u.s. how many kids have witnessed violence. the majority of bills kids will raise their hands.
these kids aren't the victims. they have an important voice spread they're not the policymakers. they will be future voters and policymakers need to pay attention to that. we all need to listen. it's not just the kids were victims of these nashville shootings. in chicago, kids are dying on the streets every day. are dropping out of schools because they're afraid to walk to school. they don't feel safe to walk to school. we need better community policing that's working in other cities, that's another important advantage that isn't getting talked about sufficiently. these kids also want to see weapons of mass destruction taken off. i don't support people's right to recreation with assault weapons. that's ridiculous. >> let's go to bob in texas. go ahead bob. >> good morning. the problem is a so big big, we
just don't see the solution and i'm not for changing laws, but following the onesbi we have. >> what about the student impact. that's what were talking aboutut this our. >> the student, as far as the impact on students. >> hold on, the impact they are having on the debate over guns. >> once again, they need the education to know our history of the laws that are the solution that if we just follow them and the constitutionon and they swear to uphold the constitution, we would know what the answers are. >> let's go to jim in halifax pennsylvania. a gun owner. hello. >> morning. thank you for hearing me. it is a positive thing that these things come up and stand up for getting slaughtered,
really which our government is allowing to happen. a gentleman a while back asked a question, what changed to bring this all about. i live in pennsylvania. if you ground your kid for a week for doing something wrong, they can g call the police and its child abuse. another thing. >> let'sit go to jerry in columbia city indiana. jerry, good morning. >> morning. how are you doing. >> thank you. go ahead. >> i have a long-term solution for the guns, have a title attached to every gun that sold. the title must be kept kept at home with gun. >> before you go too far, we are focusing on the student movement and the impact on the gun debate. students who have been on television or quoted in print, what you think about the impact they should have on this discussion. >> they will have a tremendous
effect. >> how so. >> well, just their voices. just to hear them talk. i've never heard them talk like this before. >> you think it leads to changes as far as gun laws are concerned? >> sure it will, if they get their solutions announced. okay, let's go to audrey. clearfield pennsylvania. and educator. hello. my idea was since the children want to show faith so we take a child who can't follow the rules at school and suspend him and leave him to himself to come up with ways to get back at everybody. why not mandatory sent him into a juvenile center and give him the help he needs at that point. >> what you think about the students were been talking about the issue over the past
couple of weeks. >> they want to feel safe. they are looking for help and they're getting influence by adults saying it's the guns, it's this, it's that. all these kids need help even the kids who do the harm. >> do you think they will have a large impact on this discussion. >> were talking about it because we want to help them in their begging us to protect them and that's our job as adults. >> those are just some of the images you're looking at from various protest i have stemmed from the parkland shooting, making their voices heard and were interested in hearing from you about the impact that may come from all of their interviews and things like that. 2,027,488,000. for gunowners, 202. [inaudible] numbers are on the screen. columbine colorado is back in
the news in the wall street journal about a program they have when it comes to mass shootings. you remember that was a source or location of one. they wrote and said after a former student shot two eighth-graders in 2010, the same school district where the columbine shooting took place, john mcdonald found a way to forward text by alumni. they decided the jefferson county sheriff would treat a threat the way they treat students. they would monitor their social media and check in with their therapist even after high school. for years many schools across the country have investigators who help find troubled students, and in some cases they turn them over to authority but the program in jefferson county, a district of 86000 goes further, trackin attracting behavior
and getting help after they left the school. it's a security measure that started about four years ago. the wall street journal is where you can read that story. again, the influence on students in the debate over gun from west virginia, a gun owner, dave, what you think about what you've heard from students over the past few weeks. >> i really like the fact that there's speaking up, but i believe they're talking of guilt. they probably knew this individual better than anyone else in the school and there's lots of rumors after it happened that people knew he was going to do something terrible. i think their reaction is reactionary. when their tips to the sheriff and the fbi went on responded to, if they would've had a protest because a system designed to prevent this wasn't working, if they
would've protested then, we probably could've prevented the whole thing. the other part of this is you can't legislate your way out of this problem. if you could, all we would have to do is ban shooters from going into school and shooting the school. clearly that doesn't work. >> in tampa florida on our students and parents line, hello. >> yes, i really think these kids will be a big influence. they will be voters, they talk to their parents and friends, there on social media and the people in the white house think this is not going to affect, they are wrong. >> you think will have an impact on the november election? >> i do. the only way to make a change is to change the people that are there that can make
changes. telling the people that they're going to take away their guns, nobody can take away anybody's guns but they should have better regulations. these kids are just saying that, they just want better laws and things to be enforced so they could be safe. >> i was can ask you, what have you learned from the students were been talking about this issue, not what happened in parkland but the larger issue of the gun debate. >> i've learned that people don't want make changes when they had that hearing and they confronted all the senators and people about the guns, they don't want to make changes. they just want to keep, the nra is so deeply involved with the people who make decisions for us and they're all over tv, all over social media. how can this not make an impact. people are crazy. this will make an impact. >> washington state, that's where douglas is. good morning. >> hello. i just wanted to say quickly, i did finally go get a carry
permit and i'm going to get my first gun probably by the end of the weekend for protection, but anyway, i think there were 3200 kids and there's definitely going to be, out of that many, at least five, i hear them. i really do, but whenever but he says are going to make an impact and they're going to push congress to change laws and take guns away, if they think that way, they're just the same as the nra if they think they're going to push people to doing something and threaten them that they're going to get voted out, that's not fair, but definitely we need to do something. i don't know if everybody's against it but a few people
having a weapon in school because it got to protect them. it's not right what happened and that's all i have to say. >> been talking to various reporters over the past couple hours on different tangents when it comes to the gun issue. joining us on the phone right now, professor at northeastern university. he is a professor of criminology, law and public policy. he is on the phone about a new seat survey he and another colleague have done, looking at school shootings. professor fox, good morning. i will just read the headline from the press release that's out saying that schools are safer than they were in the '90s. can you tell us why you gained interest in this topic and how you came to that conclusion? >> i've been studying mass murders since the 1980s was not a new topic for me. in fact, if you go back to those days, there were multiple mass shootings at
schools, you may remember 1989 patrick purdy killed mind and wounded 30 in california so it's not a new issue, part of the difference in the reason people believe schools are more risk today than they were then is the nature of the media coverage, back in the late '80s you didn't have cable news channels that have 24 hour coverage. you didn't have satellite trucks that would show images of families embracing and children crying, beaming them right into your living room, making it feel like it's happening down the street. certainly the impression is that there's more cases but there are fewer. in fact, in one school you're back in the 1990s, 96, 97 school year, there were four mass shootings at schools. so, what happened in florida
is horrible, tragic, tremendous impact on families, communities, the nation as a whole but let's also not overreact. we need to react to a but not overreact. >> so professor, we're looking at the survey right now and indeed, you mentioned 1996 and the upticks, a bit of statistical during the 2000 and then ane uptick. where did you compile your information for this? >> from various sources. there has been a survey of school related homicides that goes back to the early 1990s. in fact in the early 1990s or an average of about four dozen homicides in schools each year, a lot of that was gang related. since that time, the homicides in school have dropped and we have about ten students killed each year at school.
of course there are blips along the way. this year will be a spike given what happened in parklandnd, but we have 55 million schoolchildren and over a hundred thousand schools and without minimizing the horror of what happened, therr problem probability is that the risks are extremely small. over response like arming teachers, it's just the wrong move. turning our schools into fortresses, surrounding her kids with a constant reminder that there's a bull's-eye onwr their back, thegs wrong move. the right move, a more subtle things such as spending that kind of money on more guidance counselors in schools, teachers. >> how do we define mass shootings or how do d you define them in the survey. >> in that particular survey, it's's just on homicides of students in school. mass shooting in schools are
defined as at least four people injured and two people killed. there are more in the 1990s than in recent years. i should also point out, you hear statistics frequently that there's an average of one school shooting. week in the united states. those statistics can be very distorted. those school shooting data which comes from every type of gun safety data, in a majority of the cases, no one was killed. they include suicides and accidental discharge of guns, cases where someone was shot but not killed so it's not a one-week phenomenon. it is a rare event that happens very infrequently.
>> professor fox, the buildings themselves, the school structures, have they changed over the course of time? is there something to believe that because of those changes structurally that schools are safer, in your opinion. >> we've just had a general decline of violent crime in america. since the early 1990s the homicide rate has dropped by 50% and that had an impact, not just in the schools but in the playgrounds and the shopping malls, everywhere in america. it really has very little to do with the structure of school and more what's going on in society in general. >> the research is available when you go to the website at northeastern.edu. not only can you find some of the survey results, but some graphs and charts that highlight what's been happening since the '90s. james is joining us to talk about this. professor, thanks for your
time this morning. >> my pleasure. take care. >> with that in mind, students and their impact on the gun to debate, the kind of messaging they are sending to capitol hill and also the state level, overall what kind of impact you think will have. 2,027,488,000. robert from california, a gun owner, tell us what you think about the student impact on this debate. >> the main thing i think, i think about the protesting. i have a few things to say. how many of those students that their parents are done owners and when they had the san bernardino shooting, where
was obama? he was over in cuba and i didn't see no protest on that. i'm tired of people calling in about the nra.di the nra did not sell that gun to the person who killed them. besides that the sheriffs department, they should be testing the shares department as far as i'm concerned. >> let's go to north carolina, douglas a gun owner, hello. >> hello. go ahead. >> we don't need anymore gun t laws. we have gun laws. we need to enforce the ones we've got. i think the sheriff down there and the fbi, those kids should not be dead.
the sheriff should be charged with a crime because he did not do his job. he is getting paid for that. >> so a topic of the student movement that you've seen come out of this, what do you think about what you can see from student specifically on this issue. >> i understand their torah. i would be too. as far as making this boy who did this thing, there still making a hero out of him on tv every day. these students on tv, that's what we've got to get laws on and when law w enforcement doesn't do their job, that causes people to get killed. >> okay, usa today takes a look at what is being deemed
of the safest school of it in america. some of the programs and policy have been put in place to help make the safe. this is just some of the things about their safety program that's highlighted. a venomous active shooter, a teacher can press his or her emergency farm which sets off a schoolwide alarm and notifies law-enforcement to defend and barricade themselves. another device in each classroom, allow the teacheroo to tell law-enforcement their classroom is safe and signal the need for medical aid or ask to help if they've seen a suspect in with a live view of hallways, the county can see the movement and if necessary launch, dispatchers can shoot smoker cannons to limit the visibility of suspects and highways. that's just some of those highlights. the school in indiana, again, read about it on the pages of usa today, from new york will go hear from paul about the impact of students.
>> the morning. >> thank you so much for c-span. i do appreciate your programming.ou listen. i've listen to some ofmm the information and it amazes me how ill-informed most people are pretty here the comments of people calling in. it was good to hear professor fox describe school shootings and put it in context. in terms ofms the kids and the students, i appreciate their passion. i think it's good to hear from them, they are expressing their fears and anxieties, but i also think they're being exploited by political agendas, particularly from the left andar the media and i think i would prefer to see more security in schools, not teachers carrying guns, but certainly better security. when i was a kid in high school back in the 60s, i was actually a member of the rifle club we had in our school. we were taught how toe use a
rifle. then when i became a teacher in the city, new york city, we had ay new york city police officer assigned to our building. that was his duty station. back in the 60s and 70s, we had a lot of racial tension and teachers like myself tried to quell some of those riots that actually happening cafeterias. >> paul, before you go further you thought students were being exploited. what led you to believe that. >> i think that the media presents these kids, again i appreciate their passion and their concerns, but thehe media presents them to fulfill an agenda that ultimately they would like to see media and government to see us all disarmed and that's the last thing i want to see. >> catherine is next up in new hampshire, our line for others, catherine, go ahead. >> off morning.
i would just like to say please don't step on the teens free speech. we always hear about free speech in this country and it is so important. if they're not allowed toot speak freely now, then when they are 18, which many of them are now and many are going to be before the november election, if they don't feels free to speak now, then as adult voters, they will not bother to speak by voting. >> , to influence do think they are having actively on this debate. >> i think they are having and i sure wish they continue to have, it's just took us years to beat the british out of the country, it took years for other movements, wars, whatever you want to call them. i hope these kids, because they are the ones who have to live in the world that the older people who are in
congress and the senate are leaving to them. let them have speech. >> catherine in new hampshire on the gun debate. we've showed you these forms all morning. one is the federal form used in the application for a background check. this is a copy of the virginia form about what they require, again every state is different. one of the things we did learn about we traveled out to the gun shop is about the background check process, what goes into it, really how this shop and that. here's the interview. >> individuals are required to show two points of id if they want to buy handgun. some require three forms. that third form will require a proof of citizenship. we require the third form to
make ourselves feel comfortable. >> one goes to the state one goes to the federal government. >> originally fill out two forms. all the forms they would the only form that sent out is the one for richmond for the background check their but otherwise it stays in house indefinitely. >> to your computer, what happens when you type this information and. >> it would come over here and give me information about a state form and federal form and i go to my database and i would input their information into the database and submitted to richmond for approval. once i hit submit it can take as quickly as 20 seconds or as long as 3 - 5 days. there is a date limit on it so if i don't get approval within seven days, the store has a right to sell without approval. however, we don't do that. we want approval before we
turn guns over. >> what happens when you don't get an approval. >> thes individual has the right to see why they were denied. it could be something as simple as something that happened in the past that didn't clear off or they did something bad and they shouldn't be buying a gun in the first place. >> but the specifics don't come up on screen. >> i do not know why they can't begun and i'm not allowed to ask them. they can inquire but we do not do anything with it. we just put the gun in the back and they have the right to inquire about it and go from there. >> have you ever refused to sell someone a gun. >> regularly and we continue to do so. if my coworker feels uneasy with someone buying a gun for any reason, we say no. everybody has the right to buy a gun but the gun store owns the firearms.
>> when that happens, is a confrontation, what usually happens? >> we haven't had any confrontations in my time being here, usually they just asked why and they go somewhere else. >> a recent writer story takes a look at the november election, particularly the impact students to have on the upcoming elections because of gun related issues. it starts off with andrew hey read writing about classmates and teachers being gunned down and a movement that shapes the gun debate almost overnight that could influence the election. ten days later the march for our lives rally and a debate that has polarized the united states between those defending gun ownership as a constitutional right, those demanding measures and the
students are now focused on the november election they want to influence not only those casting their first ballot this year but all voters to make choice. students have made progress then congressman have done in the past several years. they are pressuring lawmakers to stop taking money from the politically influential gun right. such riders talking about the potential impact on the fl areon and the boys having. a gun owner in memphis tennessee, jim is next. go ahead. >> hello. no fence, i can see the reason your hair is gray. what i was wanting to talk about, donald trump and this gets back to the students, if donald trump don't help the
united states of america, it will never be helped. he's the only man who has ever shown us what needs help and i didn't ever know they're there rabies sanctuary cities that condone criminal. >> so jump, the student input into this debate, what you think about it. >> @what, i never did know until trump, he brought stuff up that these professors are teaching our kids what they want to know and it's mostly one-sidedkn deal. they've got them brainwashed. >> which you say the same thing about high school students i have been speaking out. >> absolutely. i know teachers who have been told what to teach. they don't teach the history no more. theye just teach. [inaudible]
bmac specifically looking at the gun debate you've probably seen af lot of students talking about it. how much impact or influence should they have? >> i think they should have an impact. i think all people should have an impact if they can talk. people coming in here, that's gonnaho come back to hurt them. >> but the amy. go ahead. >> what i'm wondering is, teenagers are very hyper emotional, they're practicing all the emotions they will have as an adult and how to handle them. the shooters go home and immerse themselves in computer games and that's kind of what puts the whole idea of a gun in their head in the first place. it's always floating around but i don't hear anybody
talking about thehe psychological effects of these things, as far as the students and their impact. they should be listened to t thi- host: they should be listened to, but how much attention should be paid to them? listen to -- listened to, they should be listened to but not able to affect the outcome. they're not old enough to understand the impact of decisions. i think some of the kids touched on feelings and others are looking foris a way to disrupt the school day. if you want to do this, that's fine after school but walking out during class, i think is disrupting everything. shootinge
have seen in the last years and decades? caller: yes, i do, only because it serves an agenda that has been going on for many, many years, and it seems like the sympathetic thing to do. council plus, iowa. an educator is next. john. hello. -- council bluffs, iowa. of the i thing a lot kids bring this on themselves. they are not very responsible as far as i'm concerned. think a lot of this falls on what their teacher is teaching in their curriculum, and i think it's like the counselor. they were afraid of these kids.
it used to be when you got in trouble at school, the teacher took you over into the corner and work to over a little bit and you knew better next time to get smart with them. anymore, is kids get smart with the congressmen, senators, go on the sunday morning talk shows, are led by the commentators, they are told what to say. host: >> are you saying they are having o and impact on this debate? >> it is but itel will last as long as their attention span because next week it will be the same thing. >> host: do you think as far as influence and changing legislation or policy, do you think it goes that far? >> caller: i don't think they will change nothing. i don't think nothing will change. everyone has a right to own a gun. if you don't want a gun, don't
buy one. if a teacher has a gun permit and has had that for a few years and wants to carry that gun to school, i don't think, i don't see why not. >> host: detroit michigan, a gun owner. this is john. you are on, go ahead. >> caller: first off, i am a gun owner. i am not an nra member. i will not join the nra because i don't believe in joining any group that has lobbyists. i think love you should be done away with. after listening to the students and what they are saying, i think the problem in school is that kids are being educated, they're being indoctrinated. it looks like they're all in
unison, speaking with one voice and you don't see both sides from the students. you are only seeing onesi side and that's the side coming from the left. to say that the nra is responsible for what happened is ridiculous. you would be threatening politicians that they will be out of office. these kids are just bullying politicians. the teachers themselves are indoctrinating themselves. >> others say these kids arell being exploited. >> they are. how many kids have they interviewed, it's partly the media because howd many kids on tv have you seen that are prone too. you can tell me they can't find anybody on the other side of the issue.
>> on our line for others, st. paul minnesota. we will hear next from can. good morning. thank you for taking my call. i'm on the side with the students because they are the ones that are going to school. that is theirir workplace. i've seen a big impact they have cut ties with the nra. they forced the legislators to bring up two bills that they brought up a year ago and got no debate. they finally got a debate on them. they're making a big impact in they are the future of america. there's a caller who said these kids aren't taxpayers, a lot of these m kids have jobs and they are taxpayers. >> the previous caller had
just said it will be diminished and we will move on to another topic altogether. you don't agree with that. >> caller: i don't. right now they are very well situated to make a change. since columbine, sandy hook, nothing has been done. there was even a shooting at a congressional baseball practice and still nothing was done. the president iss blaming this on mental health yet he reversed president obama's mental health bill. the president is allowing people with mental illnesses to get guns. he's blaming mental illness on this and it just doesn't make any sense to me. >> lewis is from salisbury north carolina. >> a morning. are you doing.
>> caller: i look at the young kids today and it's time for them to speak up. it's time because most likely the majority willel be shooting and killing. they are young children in harm's way of all these assault weapons. i wonder why people just don't't talk about why you just white males doing the mass killing and trying toit figure out what's up withli the white males doing mass killing. we know people with color kills but it seems like a mass killing is that. >> host: back to the students. will this be a long ranging impactyo, what you think has to happen in order to make a real impact as far as what the students are saying about gun violence? >> they are trying to give the congress and the house and senate an opportunity to do
what they need to do. i think they will continue, and i pray to god they continue. the nra people always talk about, i'm a gun owner but the nra always talk about their trying to take my gun. that is not it. we have certain guns on the street that shouldn't be on the street. >> okay, one more call. chris in ohio, a gun owner. >> thank you. i just l want make a correction you had a guy showing you a gun, nobody can walk out on the street and by that particular gun. that peril was less than 16 and a half inches long. that means it was a small barrel rifle that requires an extra tax stamp to get. that tax stamp takes almost a year, just like a suppressor does but i just want make that
correction on that particular gun he was showing you. >> host: okay. that was chris in ohio. one of several that has called on this issue of the gun debate and giving their comments. all the calls i have come in. go to cspan.org. the latest is going on as the gun debate continues. special thanks for letting us go out and talk to their folks and learn a little bit about the weapons we been talking about. also special thanks to justin and linley smith. that's it for the program today. another edition of this program comes your way j tomorrow at 7:00 a.m. we will see you then. cspan "washington journal", live everyday with news and policy issues that impact you. coming up saturday morning, valerie wilson of the economic policy institute discusses the economic inequality gap for african-americans.
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