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looking for more members and that is what all of this comes down to a survey failed to put aside their ideological differences and for a group of people that exist on the far right, they have a lot of differences based and managed to get together now so it is an alliance of sorts. >> hello, everyone. good evening. i'm the director o director of e events and sales.
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you might be wondering what that means i will tell you i arrange private event for offers in businesses and organizations supported by a large order of books. i work wit with a lot of small firms, banks, trade associations sending authors over the city but i know you didn't come here to listen to my job description. you've definitely come to meet the award-winning "new york times" journalist and author of the instant "new york times" bestseller chasing hillary to presidential campaigns and one in tactical unsealing which is one of the enjoyable books i've read this. i read a lot. i'm so delighted to introduce amthe knee and tell you about hr fun memoir i couldn't put down. please make sure your cell phones are off, take lots of pictures and attack us on social
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media. please pick up an events calendar to learn about all of the events we learn here and coming soon the union market location. amy is going to read from her book and talk for a while afterwards and then take questions. it's important you will see these microphones right here. it's hopeless with the audio quality because as you can see we are being recorded. copies are available for purchase at the register and then come back here to form a line so she can find the book at last please be kind to my bookselling colleagues and if you were able to pull up your chair and stack them against the sides of the law. i do feel like a flight attendant )-right-paren. if you are still suffering i can
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tell you right away but this is not another hillary clinton book. chasing hillary is the palate cleanser we didn't even know we needed that served up in a meaningful memoir of a magazine called a bridget jones diary meets what it takes with a tragic twist at the end spoiler alert: clinton lost. you know her from her work at the times and she's a writer at large and frequent contributor to the times magazine and prior to that she led the coverage of the presidential campaign before joining the times in 2011, ms. chozick was a correspondent and covered the 2008 presidential campaign that is enough for me i'm positive you don't want to hear me talk any longer so please help me welcome
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amy to the podium. [applause] i was going to explain why i chose to write a personal memoir because some people thought that this was a fire and fury so this is personal. i get into other issues and thinks professional women have to deal with when they have a big job and a personal life, so i am a student of campaign books and i read all of them and i love them but they are all great men that showed how to get it cited the campaign said this was a confluence of the first woman with a shot at the presidency and largely female press corps
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some of my girls on the bus are here so i thought there was an opening to write a book that was more female, more personal. i thought of it with politics and cooking and looming over my life which a lot of women have a job looming over them. the introduction was kind of glossed over. i grew up in san antonio texas and moved to new york with no jobs. i had a stack of clips from my college newspaper i dropped off at the library in a nice security guard said you were going to have to leave so i struggled for years to carr.
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i was from tech this so i spend $30 ospent$30 on jeans with a pp in my hair and one day on the elevator i heard someone say who told her she could wear her hair that way and it was a few years of death befor that before i gon assistant at the foreign news desk after the bombing of 9/11 and the daniel pearl was kidnapped in pakistan and it was an important thing to b time toe paper and everybody was sweaty and talking about world events and i thought i found my people in this newsroom and then i went to tokyo as a correspondent and my boss in japan became the washington bureau chief and said how would you like to go to iowa and cover hillary clinton.
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so i go and i didn't know anything about american politics because i have been focused on japan for years. i heard of this guy but i didn't know what a caucus was. they said it's okay we didn't know either. [laughter] so i learned this whole thing and it was kind of as foreign to me as japan. that is a little bit of the back story. it made me see how many open wounds there are in the campaign so i just hope my decade of
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covering her can help people understand this figure. i know it is the prism of trump but i also wrote this book and it would be unfortunate to view her always under the prism of trump. her place in the public eye has been imported in how we view powerful women and i think it is unfortunate to always view her through the prism of this band viewed her as the last chapter of her public life and in the other thing i should tell you before we start reading. something you granted anonymity but it wasn't a realistic choice i think that they were more identifiable. i was going to read two short chapters and then take whatever questions you have. this is in south afric a new son 2012. the chapter is bill clinton.
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he was holding a glass of chardonnay but not drinking it tonight and walked into the hotel at johannesburg. i've flown to south africa in a cabin and fist pumping during the entire flight plus a refueling stop in senegal. i checked into my room once the private residence in an eccentric billionaire who befriended clinton during his presidency. as they walked towards the villa i passed a younger plumper clinton and i crossed a wooden bridge over a pond with the sound of talks and five-year flies and cicadas in the distance. they openei opened up the heavy. the stand-alonthe standalone the private bar and living room decorated in natural hues with
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sculptures. a handful of friends sat at a nearby table playing a card game of choice. they made small talk about the prospects if romney wins, the parties will have to pave the way for her. clinton stood by a row of barstools wearing a blue neck sweater driving shoes, jeans and a friendship bracelet around his rest and chelsea was on a sofa sitting on her water with her chief of staff. they later confessed to one of the traders in chicago i felt guilty about how much the times have paid me to send me on the trip a six night swing through mozambique south africa, rwanda plus to deliver a paid speech. believe me, i paid more.
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it was the summer of 2012 before the speech nominating obama at the democratic national convention where no one was paying much attention. i had been in idaho chasing down the moguls and crashing a cocktail party. when joe approved the tricks nevermind that have nothing to do with my beat covering the media at the time. it's astonishing they ever allowed me to cover this philanthropic swing. we were so panico i was the only reporter that stated the whole trip starting the first night when bill clinton talked my ear off into the morning hours. among a million topics he explained nelson mandela had written his memoirs before it
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became a five-star hotel. he looked around with its marble floors. it's a wonderful place, i love this place. the next day we would like to rwanda to take to a village to visit a children's hospital. we feel guilty staying here he said taking a sip of chardonnay, but i get over it. i was in all of their brain power feeling blessed to be in his presence in total exhaustion from his self absorption. they began to be like the lucky passenger upgrade to first class only to wind up next to someone
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who doesn't need a nap and rambles on because of a hole to fill. by the final night at the hotel in uganda clinton relayed his accomplishments. we went to 53% when i was in office. he summed up how to solve food shortages. he has for what feels like hours extolled the virtues of soybea soybeans. he starts every other sentence with in the 1990scommand when i was president. they had a name for one of his monologues i got trapped in after asking about the position to intervene in 93. it was after 1 a.m. and all i wanted to go to sleep and he told me his advice for how they could improve his speechmaking. suppose we were friends for four years, he's had a resting at
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home on my shoulder. if you came to visit me and said something eloquent at the same time i am sorry i wish i could do more about it, it's an insult. so i told the president of the eloquence should at the end of the speeches and not in the middle. i checked to see if my recorder was still glowing. he changed outfits three times a day appearing wearing linen and tacky cargo pants. he's like lady qaeda. -- lady gaga. he thought he would live to see it nevermind ending up in the white house. when the manager of a soybean processing plant asked him to come back eas he says they're or than you you have to make sure i'm still alive.
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he said we are trying to build it up. we sat down for coffee and when they were not swarming him for photographs i thought hillary would run for president and she points out we are not kids anymore and a lot of kids want to be president. i saw things in africa that made me less cynical about the foundation on her the mahogany trees, the workers at the station from the local villages to be fitted with their first hearing aids. it's hard to care whether some donor wants someone from the state department after you've seen a child here for the first time. when they are maligned i think of the clinton. we were standing on the tarmac at the international airport and i had run out of topics to ask about. i extended my advice to pick up his stream of consciousness when the helicopter emerged on the
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hello orange horizon choic whics the put her hands over her eyes. moments later a 14-year-old boy stepped out of the helicopter. his name was bill clinton and his mother named him after clinton visited uganda in 98. a photograph hangs in their home. clinton is holding the newborn as hillary looks on. he was born the day before we got there, he told me over the helicopter. it was one of the most memorable days of my presidency. he walked over and pulled him into his arms. they stay there like that. after this went on for a while he said he would play to get to pay the school tuition fees and
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the aids pulled him towards a separate gulf stream but he wasn't done. he called me over and told me on the same trip in 98, a farmer named a goat after him. we are going to fl to swipe a gn next. [laughter] so we are going forward to manchester november 2015. this is the period during the difficult primary when hillary and her team were mad at me about a story that i wrote. spontaneity is embargoed. and this is manchester novembe november 2015. no matter how hard i try i can only see manchester through the slit that sat on th sent on thel of my subaru.
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the city's a place split into by thin twoby the banks of the riv. it's too far from boston where the phone in early that morning to be part of this school sprawl. i pulled my jacket tight at the parking garage ramp and hillary would soon arrive to share bar snacks and stacks with her traveling press. they made a mistake asking how she met bill to filibuster with a story so flustered with speeches i could recite it verbatim. it was 1971 at the library.
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the interactions i had almost by accident. in september she stopped in at the union dining car to shake hands and at a high school get l teacher who introduced hillary to have a dozen students who want to be photographed. i stood to the left and when she pivoted to pose with the students she looked at me and said she's not in the class, she may speak french but she's not in the class. i had written a story looking ahead to the fall into brooklynn campaign headquarters to bring spontaneity to the candidacy that seemed overly cautious. they wanted to put the summer of discontent behind them. they came through providing me an interview with the campaign manager and the communications
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director. the entire press corps told them what they told me. i took and written notes with anything that stood out so when i listened back i could look to see what jumped out and what i might not have picked up. on the subway back i plugged in my earphones and listened to by listen to myvoice recorder but t eight years earlier with a japanese writing on the side. everything i thought i could build a story around seemed stale now that they had in their talking points to the press. we discussed how hillary would show the voters are softer side it was the only original reporting i had as she scrunched her for dead to edit my story.
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she was taking the details out and even as i reminded myself she made the boldest of stories jump off the page reading over her shoulder gave me the reticence of disembodied feeling of a patient watching a surgeon performing operation operation r vital organs. she showed me a playback edited version of the story and send it on to the copy editor who debated whether we needed to explain. i think it's obvious the front page headline. her detailed plan david axelrod
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said the imf with her crowd assumed that they disliked the coverage because of the e-mails or the reporting, but that wasn't it. the day she declared her candidacy we haven't offered a rationale for why she was running. she hated that i had broken the news to the private state department e-mails have been chelsea writing under her preferred pseudonym. they called the campaign to complain and they took most of the wrath for letting me into brooklyn and first place. when she was supposed to restart it became what some started to call spontaneity embargoed until the campaign.
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it was a cement wall blocking the information or asking a question. ever since this piece i had an iced out before driving to hand over and she displayed a cold shoulder looking past shouting secretary and instead she answered a question about why trump got better ratings than she did concerning the performance and adding insult to injury she called on fox news twice. obama handled the dynamic differently. in 2008 i wrote a feature about the body image and whether an overweight electorate could relate given his workout schedule and body fat.
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okay so it wasn't a main idea and i was locked. later that day they pulled him over to a farmers market where he ordered a strawberry milkshake and as he took a long sip he looked right at me. [laughter] he said this milkshake is delicious if i had one of these everyday maybe i wouldn't be such a skinny guy. [laughter] he then ordered strawberry milkshakes for the entire press corps. [applause]
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if i wrote a memoir and that the press did everything right my coverage was perfect it would end ring true to the readers and once you feel like you are being false you've lost them and i thought if i'm going to be honest i have to be honest about my own applause and there were plenty so i wanted to make a conscious effort to address that in the most honest way that i could. >> did you find the campaign changed with twitter, does that
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change your reporting? >> absolutely. i installed the chain should from 2008 and i am convinced donald trump wouldn't have been elected without twitter and lifestream and we have to get out but we have a candidate that was so cautious. people posted videos of how many times she nodded her head at a roundtable so theround table soe cautious in the press because of ecosystem. one of the things in the book is
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how the media has changed and i don't want to say the decline of the campaign reporting, but the role has changed so much. >> one of the people at one time made a remark that secretary clinton if she were to make a decision on something might take nine hours or 19 hours worth of whom work on that decision and we would go ahead and fly-by-night and make a decision so i wondered if he witnessed some of her diligence in doing her work? >> i wrote a story when she had consulted 200 advisers to try to craft her economic advisory so absolutely. she had a great wine in one of the debates in which he kind of made fun of her for being too
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prepared and she said i am also prepared to be president and i thought that was great but at the same time it was a hindrance and of the voters thought some of the things she said were too cautious. i wonder in the alternate universe she probably couldn't have gotten away with it but the first e-mail press conference and what she did she said of course i didn't want you reading through my e-mails, look what you put me through it turned out to be nothing. [inaudible] >> when they started winding down parts of the conversation
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they were thinking of bill gates and some other group but that is in the fall when she had to do something about the foundation. >> you invited two different press aide. i wonder how do you reflect on the interconnected? >> you cover people for so long and travel wherever they go. initially when i was at "the wall street journal" and i was a reporter i did have friendships and we traveled all over the country together and then it was a change but then they traveled on the same bus as the press so
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it was hard not to establish some friendships. can you talk about how her campaign and the relationship in the press versus the campaign? >> i always think she was a better candidate in 2008 but had a bitter campaign in 2016. when she ran for president she had been a senator and was involved in always in touch with her constituents said she was connected to the problems people were having in pennsylvania, indiana but then the other aspect she had the new york press corps. should comshe would come back we and crack jokes and she called
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us significant others because she felt bad for keeping us away so she was more comfortable with the press because she was used to these reporters but she was losing and she shut down her guard. they are always running better as the underdog and then when we got 2016, she thought she was going to win and she was very cautious. she also liked her state department press corps and if they were substantive and asked about foreign affairs and had political press and other things in her mind, we were just obsessed with the daily stories and in the white house to she described the political press as
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big egos and no brains, so this went back. i know he had to take a less public role with his wife runninof his wife runningfor prt curious on your thoughts if you think it was more frustrated not to be in the limelight and what role did he actually play in the strategies and in the campaigns themselves? >> guest: i have a lot about this in the book because he was trying to push the younger aides to reach out to the voters that he wanted in 92 and 96. there was a lot of sidelining though who goes on bus tours
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around the panhandle in panhandn wisconsin and is talking to 20 people in the town halls and they had a brilliant organization and bill clinton kept saying what if there is no enthusiasm people don't see that hillary feisty said there was tension between the organization and the belief that this is what we need in the bill clinton saying we need to get the enthusiasm.
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>> did you know her at all when she was secretary of state and when she is relaxed and fun and easy to be with? when she felt she had nothing left to lose him sh and she woue chummy with her press corps, she did do that with wine which was endearing. >> no offense but you end u enae that journalists seem hard on her. she seemed like a nice person and wanted to do progressive things now we have someone that can blow up the world, and i am
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not exaggerating. what is the big deal she was far from perfect but with a difference. some people say if you are hard on her or like her the same quote can be used. but i do see your point and i feel a her supporters anger over how she was covered and i think those are legitimate concerns we should listen to and at the same time it is also a dangerous proposition for a journalists to say this candidate is under investigation but the other guys like russian hookers and he's so beyond the pale disappointment
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is so bad then you are putting your hand on a scale in an uncomfortable way. it's like a large-scale phenomenon that has never made sense to me. nothing she's proposing is offensive to each side. i her friends at school saying how scary she was and i thought this is a nice woman. i don't understand and that paid trip has continued and there's
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nothing else tthere isnothing et level of featurette. >> i'm sorry to subject you to my voice for eight hours. >> the question i had, i'm wondering if there are lessons here for the candidates and what to do or what not to do i wonder what your thoughts are. >> i hope there are takeaways because there were things i didn't notice at the time but this is one that stands out. i was at the iowa state fair and donald trump landed on his helicopter and the reporters were taking bribe rides and he s giving the kids ride connecting
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to the working man but the helicopter was a big hit. hillary had a helicopter and it became the symbol of how out of touch she was like you're supposed to be on a bus and she chartered a helicopter and it was like a for years we used a helicopter as a symbol and its like donald trump landed a helicopter and everybody thought it was great. like do you have to have a penis to pull off the helicopter? [laughter] and she just chartered it. it blew my mind how they were covered in such a different way. the chapter is called a tale of two choppers but i hope that is informative. i hope the way we cover the candidates and they perceive candidates you will realize the double standards that existed.
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i don't know if that answers your question. >> it affected the way the team responded. i think people around her thought they would be harder on her in some way to prove that we are not in the tank we would be tougher on her to kind of prove something. it's funny because this book draws a walk on the archival e-mails we have read it at a press conferenchave apress confe house she said she had gotten grilled on the cattle features and they said thank you you should do this more often. and she said eleanor roosevelt had a press conference each week she had in all female press
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corps. fast forward 30 years and she had a press corps she mostly ignored. [laughter] >> thank you. >> i was going to ask a similar question. i studied politics and gender but i guess i will ask a slightly different side which is i am curious if you thought your gender impact of how you interacted with the other journalists and the other reporters covering the campaign as opposed to just the candidate herself.
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after some of my friends read that they were like i'm so nostalgic for this. >> you mentioned that your first chapter was talking about your trip to south africa. was there anything to be learned from your experience and -- >> i don't have the answer to the second part of going to africa he was such a popular
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figure globally you get so bogged down. he had such a connection and we went to this village and he was crouching on the ground to pick a cow like we've got the same in africa. like he was connecting the same way that he would farmers in arkansas. some are great with working man and the 1%. bill clinton could seamlessly go from a six star hotel with the donors in the village. it was amazing and remarkable. >> just an afterthought in the local acquisition they stand up
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in parliament and starts fights in parliament and in some ways the alter ego of the country now you may have addressed this before i got here. i am curious why hillary didn't take donald trump on the daily talk shows. i got almost nauseated at times watching the show i watched the
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most was morning joe. during the campaign, they were literally playing footsie. you were telling him what they were going to ask and stuff like that, sitting around the table. and if he wasn't there alive, he would call in and hillary was never on the show. >> they said no to the 42nd interview requests.
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i think she was ahead if she didn't need to go toe to go but she was complaining because so much table time but they did say no to a lot of the interviews. a lot of my thinking goes back to the '90s and there was a lot of scar tissue about the media and there was a lot of scar tissue built up and a protective layer. i'm sure that is illustrative of your position. [laughter]
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>> what response have you gotten from the side about this book and what did you think of her book? >> i liked living history better and i liked the voice of it. >> have you gotten any feedback i know chelsea clinton has had a few things to say. >> i was anticipating blowback which is frustrating because to reject it without reading it and
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i am pretty self reflective. i think a lot of supporters have been craving self reflection from the media and i try to offer that as a knee-jerk reaction to attacking it and so that's i wish people would give it more of a chance. >> what about your own colleagues to >> there are debates in the newsroom about how we handled that russia e-mails that i think that's good. part of why i wanted that to be the excerpt is a da they will be interfering in our democracy and the media is a part of this strategy.
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when asked if that's why she had a career she said i suppose i could have stayed home and baked cookies and had to apologize for that for 20 years.
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when goldwater lost a leg up a foundation for the conservative movement and i think he her loss may have done that for women like you see all these women running after her loss and i think we will look back on history and see not just anyone. to guess who is elected, i stayed away from guessing on that.
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>> using very vibrant in your description and very animated. i don't see that quality when you talk about hillary. are you able to describe personalities so we can understand more about us i didn't get to know her because they were sitting chardonnay at a hotel suite and i got to know her through her friend is and i have sources from her college roommate to her friends in arkansas and studied every chapter of her life as a working mom in little rock and i talked to her classmates on the team at
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the high school to see how she had her skills so the way i got to know her in the book is largely through these chapters of her life that i did a lot of reporting on per instance when she worked at the children's defense fund to investigate this old segregation was hard to find things nobody knows because she's been around so long that there was a chapter that had been explored. the story about her going undercover basically a.
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of she boasted of them and went back and filed a report so they would lose their tax-exempt status. she was going back and filing the reports to change policy. how do i implement a policy and that is her friend said she would be happy in an office crafting policy.
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thank you. [applause] [inaudible conversations]
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thank you book critics circle for this once-in-a-lifetime
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moment. a lifetime of writing. how did that happen? my father's field was sports medicine, and he was the doctor of princeton football teams. when i was 8-years-old, a football jersey, black with orange tiger stripes in over 33 front and back. same company. and after they scored that went around behind the goal post and caught the extra point wide november saturday a cold wind driven rain was drenched in the stadium and i was miserable and
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i decided then to become a writer. [laughter] today the creative nonfiction is the title of the course i teach, the college course i teach a required to give the course thee title i needed for a quarterly edited and published at the
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university of pittsburgh. the title asks an obvious question what is creative about non- fiction. it takes a whole semester to try to answer that. but here are a few points for creativity lies in what you choose to write about, how you go about doing it, the arrangement through which you present things in the touch with which you describe people into developing the characters, the rhythms of your prose, the integrity of the composition, the anatomy does it get up and walk around on its own? the extent to which you told the story of the materials the creative nonfiction is and making something up but making the most of what you have or as
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my daughter said it's not fake news. mr. shawn understood that this creative work, every kind of creative work and time. the most precise summation i ever encountered was his response i asked before we close in the role of the architect in the game while the new yorker
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magazine hurtled towards its deadlines i finally said how can you afford to use so much time and go into so many things in such detail with just one writer when this whole enterprise is yours to keep together? it takes as long as it's paid. i have repeated that statement to generations of students. if they are writers, they will never forget it. it can take a lifetime. thank you. [applause]


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