that can shape the electoral mass. to be honest my answer is i hope someone else is doing that because i'm busy working. [laughter] >> but i read the "new york times," and seems like they are. >> right. [applause] :.

>> is the fact that people ask me what does the national archives do? what does an archivist you? and then there is a confusion

around the role of each of these institutions and i have learned a lot about the declaration of independence, the right. >> and me call the third one the constitution left back. [laughter] not until the 1930s franklin roosevelt was passionate about the records and to find out legislation that goes that our carla is referring to with the state department at the library of congress when the archives with the declaration

of independence the librarian of congress refused the declaration. [laughter] and that has been an issue ever since. [laughter] >> we knew this word happen when harry truman came into office then there was a new librarian of congress to put that where it belongs so as carla describes it that military ceremony with tank and military people lining the sets he claims as a grab for the decorations. [laughter] been in and we have photographs of the tanks right

there waiting and you can imagine the curators thinking maybe it is time left who was in the library of congress then? do you remember? >> but that was the start of the verification of the role. >> the archives was created to collect and protect and make available anything from the united states government so what about the stuff that was created before 1934 and there was no legislation? a lot of it is in our custody some is that the library of congress

since they were stored all over town in attics and basements a lot of it was lost to fire and flood and with a dividing line that they create is me or what they don't create which is you. >> there are times i am you. [laughter] >> sometimes i wish i were you. [laughter] and i described that in another way for instance truman's official records could be with the truman library would like to get into that presidential library and some of those letters that he wrote to his family so the person the diaries and all of

that the life of the official could be at the library of congress and the papers of 23 presidents from george washington to coolidge are at the library of congress and we were both in mississippi. >> where ulysses s grant is still rolling in his grave. >> and abraham lincoln at the presidential library. we were there. >> evermore than 200 presidential sites in the country people have a responsibility for some aspect of the present life and they are all meeting in washington in august and what is

interesting about the presidential library is the library of congress custody of the actual papers and documents of ulysses s grant and what some of that presidential record is they will collect to make copies of things from different collections about the president and that is how some of those have been established for creating the national archives eleanor roosevelt decided to have a presidential library so technically his was the first and i he was passionate about his papers and understood the importance of his papers. he spent a lot of time hiring archivist to support him in his work as he figured out where the records are to convince the agency had to give up their records.

so roosevelt created his own library and then herbert decided he wanted a library but it was all voluntary through 1972 when thanks to president nixon he thought that he on his own record that legislation was passed the records are now government property so that is the marker have to give your papers to the national archives. >> of than became official and the other part of the confusion that happened some time the act of 1972 the federal act for records predates all management activity for the executive branch 255 agencies and

department immaculate about congressional records? >> me abide by a gentlemen's agreement to provide courtesy storage for the records -- members of congress and service them they are the records of congress. but they are not at the library of congress. [laughter] and all the people watching and -- listening for them to realize with your colleagues that you have a friendly and historical competition. i know you have seen the movie national treasure and the

library of congress had that first printing with just john hancock on it so those original signers did not sign something. [laughter] that i have. and the gettysburg address. the contents of abraham lincoln's pockets and four locks of thomas jefferson's hair. [laughter] i'm just saying. so it is kind of fun to have this historical back and forth.

>> and come from the vatican. [laughter] >> there are a few things over there. so don't even bring up hamilton. [laughter] okay let's bring up him alton. [laughter] we might as well how did you pull that off? >> through the new york public library actually. tommy was the director of hamilton was a member for the visiting committee and we decided to honor them. we had all three of them in the house. >> me will not name drop. >> but hamilton was signed at

valley forge by george washington and to digitize the last note to his wife eliza. [laughter] [applause] >> but the government outlined her father asking for the federal government to make and we are finish digitizing correspondence for the rest of her life but then she burnished his reputation. >> and with the digitization. to name a historical figure. >> so what are we doing together? tell us about that.

we are working on a traffic exhibit with the dns and the french revolution to be involved in the new york public library and another project with the two georges about the beginning of this country our king george. >> it is george washington and our george and george the third so they were reading some of the same books at the same time was similar interest and with the royal archives. we didn't go to the wedding. [laughter] but the research timing did not coincide.

but's college and william and mary so that type of collaboration happens all the time and then we mentioned tony in terms of the public library that has a collection that complement some of the things we are often and we work closely in different ways. so the burning question and it came up at a session what do we do and how we deal with technology going forward? the historical record will now be in a different format. >> they already are. >> you have really been on the forefront of that. you are putting a hard stop on collecting?

i'm sure you have heard in the press about the plan just issued last week page 103 with a two-page description of the national archives contributions that p.m. -- plan and then delivered to the agencies we are no longer accepting paper as a 2022. they. they have until then to get the paper to us that is in their custody now that is scheduled to be transferred but after 2022 digital only so basically they have been prepared for this 85% of them already have been and digitizing the records so we are in pretty good shape that way but the most important factor is that those agencies are already creating records

electronically and have been for some time. this is an integrated surprise over a great shock but that data point some people are confused about what is going on with the obama library it turns out more than 80% of the obama records are digital. there is no paper equivalents. so the plan is with the agreement of the obama foundation to create the first all digital presidential librar library. the money that would be invested to create a physical facility in chicago will be devoted to the digitization of the 15% that is not already. that is a very different model for presidential libraries and how we deliver information and

service but that is an exciting opportunity for us to think of a whole new way to communicate and connect. >> will you be borrowing some techniques from museum how you display? >> the foundation has already designed to build a museum and we will loan to down the artifact it is a combination of paper and film and photographs there are more pictures than you have ever seen in your life from children every one of the presidential libraries that ends up in the museum part b

mac what about letters from the young people? >> they are all digitized now. >> that's important to me because when i became the archivist for the first time for director kennedy handed me a copy of the letter of a kid wrote to the president asking about the proposed news corporation and it was from me when i visited the lbj library they gave me a copy of the letter congratulating him. >> you were working around there for a while. [laughter] [applause] that is cool. i'm sure they have heard about our sleep order -- sleepovers and getting the kids to write

a letter to the president and we deliver those in and the white house supplies us whatever we can send back to them for their interest and some words of encouragement signed by the president. >> there have been wonderful moments and those that have been challenging but the most challenging trying to figure out every former children's library this wonderful thing that you do with children and archives they sweep over by the constitution. [laughter] in that wonderful place. there they are. and then the next morning i have heard so many people tell me the archivist of the united

states makes pancakes. [laughter] so don't worry. we have thomas jefferson's recipe for macaroni and cheese. and tonight she's been trying to horn in on this event. [laughter] i said okay maybe. don't you think that would be so there is a new gang in town david and david and carla with the smithsonian archives and we actually met and talk about this and what if they start off at the natural history

museum? [laughter] or they slept there? so we try to figure this out. we need to figure out the macaroni and cheese. see mac you did mention david and we should talk about with a close working relationship the three of us have that is unlike and i have been there almost nine years and this is the first time the three institutions have really gotten serious about working together. >> and it's fun. and over to the library of congress we call that the good silver and we had one of the

librarians that you know. >> it was the first printing of an opera. that i had never even heard of it. and he is a jazz fanatic. but then the curator was so good he knew opera and jazz. it was very nice. so there was a piece by a

jelly roll that bridge the two types of music so he just slid right into that and now david sorkin i think we can reveal this so there is some poaching. >> right in front of her. [laughter] >> are you happy? and i had to talk to him afterwards. are you happy? [laughter] so that is a lot of fun. >> the pressure is on what we will show you. >> because women's suffrage is

coming up and we even talk about it the air in east museum with the patent in the library of congress has the actual paper. it is really based on that. based on the model. so we are really working to see whether those things that each of us can bring together? that can put things about it in our own institution? and then to purchase the first known photo of harriet tubman it will be exhibited in the new exhibit at the museum of

african-american history. [applause] there will still be the friend of the rivalries. but just getting this community of history closer it seems to be growing. we are working together with that. >> what has surprised you about working in washington? [laughter] tony is over here. [laughter] i still live in baltimore.

>> that says it all. >> i commute because it is interesting because when i lived in chicago there were so many commuters. people would come in from gary indiana every day. so the idea to come in from different states and different places every day we can take the train to see how many people come into the city. because it is like elastic. we didn't get a sense of that before. and there is that energy there. and it just changes so if you go back to baltimore it's

differen different. >> there are a lot of young people? >> and they all walk fast. [laughter] they have two or three devices. >> they are all smart. they know what they're doing and it is really rewarding. >> so congress you probably artie knew that. >> probably another idea you stall from us? [laughter] >> we will talk briefly about the citizen archivist. so here in washington d.c. literally in this artist and brightest people ever. some look like they are 12 years old.

and policy. so we tried to think of how to get these young millennial's, not even the lineal's, to get them engaged. so we have get on -- scavenger hunt and jeopardy and cool things to engage. we have libations sometimes. but thomas jefferson was a wine connoisseur. [laughter] we work it to get the zhang people engaged. they want to still learn they come from right out of college. still at georgetown. so they will sit and listen to somebody talk.

they want to meet people one young congressional staffer said we are here. this is my date night. that they go and do something in the summer. and even with the machine. [laughter] we might have you on that. >> i don't think so. >> not fundraising. >> this is the idea from the new york public library a similar kind of group's been in existence for about 25 years or so.

and one a fiction award for a young opera so i took that idea to the national archives with a similar group we are working with trying to engage them with the national archives. they were drawn in all different kinds of directions. >> we don't have a name yet. we are working on that. we like the young founders. so we are working. and this is the same group of kids that will be going to these types of things. >> so talk about your citizen

archivist that was almost verbatim. >> so when i was hired in 2009 by president obama on his first day of office he told senior staff government doesn't have all the answers for you to figure out ways to engage the public to solve some of those problems. i took that to heart and worked with ways and the result is the creation of the number of activities to help us do our work to tag photographs and this is fairly standard to identify those people in photographs but that centerpiece i'm most excited

about is the transcription project we have loaded thousands of records and i have so we are disenfranchising an entire generation so we have people all over the country who are helping us transcribe the citizen archivist activity. it is the way we are engaging the public to do the work. as a citizen historian to become a model there is a need at the library of congress

frederick douglass and all these people and because of those writings other people cannot read these documents so we even reference to say the national archive as a citizen archivist you want them to think about doing the other. >> we are also working together where they are collaborating to anybody with a particular reference question and sharing information to solve the research needs so we bring the smithsonian on board with that.

>> and i notice your folks are at the national archives last week with wikipedia working together. >> i also want to share what i know we've talked about a little bit, the concern of history going forward and records created. how we deal with storage issues and technology keeping up. there is a concern that future historians how will they get these items in a different format? >> that is the one thing that keep me up at night to ensure that the mandate have access to the records that we are barely able to guarantee that

in paper or in the electronic environmen environment. i always have it in the back of my head the work that nicholson baker did where he chastise us to microfilm all of those newspapers to throw out the originals and leaving us in the situation where we did not have copies of our own newspapers. because microfilm was so poorly created and disintegrated in some cases with lots of reels and no quality controls the images were not perfect so the harold was the first to introduce

color and comics on the sunday edition and microfilm is black and white so we lost a whole sense of our history with a flawed project but i am happy to report that the month the book came out that circle the wagons i was opening a new storage facility at duke university and i needed a speaker i had nick come to be the speaker because here is a warehouse of paper and we had dinner he raised the money borrowing from his in-laws to buy from the british library the only paper copies that

existed. he bought them and set up a warehouse and became a newspaper librarian with photographs and just from this collection so i invited him to be our speaker and he came we had dinner and i told him you get tired of playing newspaper librarian this wonderful facility is a great place to house them. so no they are from duke university. >> i was had that in mind dealing with electronic information. so that we don't get into the position we have lost everything because of security or technology were all kinds of issues. >> and security. it becomes even more of an issue with technology with the

library of congress and the storage modules if you think like amazon with those warehouses looks like. and the military base at fort meade. to take that environment to secure it to make those top one -- progresses to be the fiscal part as a major challeng challenge. >> we are doing a lot of work with the industry to educate them about our needs and tools that in my case agencies need to create and maintain their records. the situation the federal government is very much i remember from universities from every agency and faculty

to build their own system there was no interoperability or the approach to technology and clearly that is a description of the federal government. >> each department as its own. >> that infrastructure is not where it should be and that's another issue in the reform plan and to be in support. >> what about the resources? >> how is your budget? [laughter] >> actually they have been very supportive of the technology to be in the library of congress and to be very modern and efficient and that is heartening to come in

to see that and have that kind of support but know that you have to maintain that and also the staffing that you need to have that digital strategy to look forward we just hired a digital strategy manager and will do more with that. because we have to look out and look back at the same time. >> exactly. >> it is a fun time. we are getting a lot of people from the technology sector coming into the library to work to help us try to solve some of these things so that cross fertilization sober driving for. >> that has been on our agenda. >> with that technology and tony even hired someone from

great britain from the bbc with a technology guru and we had him come to the library of congress to talk to the staff what the public is doing but they are doing a lot of cool things so just that cross-fertilization between institutions and types of libraries and archives and for us to say we have common problems and what can we do together? we have young professionals and everyone and seniors? >> oh good. [laughter]

>> we are planning a sleepover at. [laughter] well we have a wonderful partnership and to support a book festival. >> you have a lot of support from them also. but for me to engage seniors and with a particular interest. >> it is interesting to watch that transcription project and those that have adopted us and that was wonderful for those who want to keep in gauged even remotely with that

limited mobility for a lot of seniors this is a way they can keep involved but. >> what are you doing? but the library of congress has one of the world's largest collections of historical cookbooks so imagine the programming you could do with that. i'm not going to say anything because they'll steal it and probably have the patent to the mixer. [laughter] or something like that. [laughter] you do. >> before your time we had a blockbuster called what's cooking will see him to tell the story of preservatives and the changes of the food groups over time butter used to be a

food group. >> i still think it is. [laughter] i am for that. and i have to talk about your shop you just renovated a new education center in your shop is to die for. >> i heard you are trying to steal my shop manager. >> we are renovating i had to do a field trip and i did talk to the nice lady. [laughter] she seemed moderately happy. [laughter] she's ready for a new challenge. >> we stole her from the zoo. [laughter] i am not saying a word with that one.

>> in her first year she introduced into the repertoire $100,000 within the first year. >> you have real cool things about the archives in the shop and they have sections that are wonderful about subjects and eras and world war ii. those terminals are right there to connect to to those collections and what else she can do. so to me that decision about purchasing you are also tied to the archives. so that really just that not only retail experience but a tie into the content of the archive archives. >> there are two entrances one on constitution avenue that

has the charters and exhibits in the museum side the other side is for research to use the collection to do research i've been trying to figure out why do they break whole stew that wall so there isn't more interaction on both sides to get a taste on the museum side what is possible and the genealogy market. and more genealogist than anything else and then everything else after that. but some way to use the experience from the museum on the other side on the research side to get people more interested and excited not

just me i'll achieve that the records in general about our history and most important learning about civics and the three branches of government and their responsibilities as american citizens. that's what i'm trying to figure out. [applause] i know we have time for questions from the audience. i'm not sure where the microphones are. he would really like to hear from you. >> thank you both for safeguarding the evidence of our history especially doing it with such style and grace

and good humor. especially thank you to doctor hayden for being an awesome mentor to teach me everything i know the inclusive and carrying library communities i enjoyed an incredible career because of your mentorship and i like to take this opportunity to thank you from the bottom of my heart for everything. [applause] >> thank you. >> a week or two ago there was a story about trump ripping up his papers? do you want to weigh in on that? [laughter]

>> one of the fascinating jobs of the national archives is to deal with transitions of the administration and there are about 4000 presidential appointees leaving and arriving at the same time. one of the jobs is to ensure those that are leaving are leaving behind their records and the other is to ensure coming in are being trained on the rules that includes all the executive branch covered by the federal records act and all presidential records act for those in the white house. it the same at the start up of any administration there are fits and starts the federal

records act gives me more authority than the presidential records act on what i can do. i do investigations and i have more teeth on the federal side with the agencies than the presidential records side. i provide guidance and i continue our communications with the white house are privileged and i'm not allowed to talk about them and their communications with us are also privilege but i can tell you every time i pick up the paper and read one of these things, whether this administration or the past i learned about secretary of state personal server in the new york times is how i found out about it. so it's not just this administration it is them in general every time something like that happens, we launch a

series of questions to verify what is going on. and then once we get some resolution we ask for permission for the response if you go to the archives website to check the foia page you will see for each administration the responses to questions we have raised about just that type of activity you are talking about. i can't say anything more about this particular incident but i learned about it when you did. >> asking about the safeguarding of technology you are using i am not a librarian. i am a trustee one of my

advocacy bull's-eye sit sit on the board in the library of virginia may be additionally the only library older than the library of congress and of these libraries officially it's not. but among the 50 state libraries there is enormous wealth of information and the federal government and the library of congress are having a hard time with a uniform method of technology. we can understand those 50 states are on their own to create their own system of technology that if that is the problem how do we find a way to take what you are working on at the national level to get the states to operate so

eventually i can filter its way down? i had easy access to the archives the vast majority of the country can never physically get there and then how to create a system everybody can work with to gather at the same time trying to figure out when in the does change we can migrate to a new system so we are not stuck with floppy disks and drives that will never be in use in the future so how do we work in all of that together to get the states on board with wade you guys are working to protect information digitally? >> for me is working with the council of state archivist meeting on a regular basis to share best practices. also the development work we are doing is all open sourced

so as we meet with industry to educate them about records management knows that the state archivist are dealing with in their record-keeping we have made a commitment we will share all those open source tools if anyone wants to use them. >> thank you. >> and similar with library of congress and some of the others that there are a number of networking opportunities that will allow us to share. we are all very involved in tha that. >> president trump uses twitter quite a bit so how do you document his tweets for the future?

>> president obama for eight years tweeted so we got a lot of experience from the previous administration on collecting tweets we do capture the real donald trump on both streams. [applause] >> in terms of the technological capacity you are doing the historic with those challenges that we face. >> and in response to the virginia question we are certainly working very closely with several partners on cloud storage. clearly that is the future for the future and the present frankly.

>> hello. there is a video showing before this session that indicated the library of congress acquires 12000 items per day which i find to be an incredible number. where are all of those roughly? [laughter] well, and working day the library of congress selects approximately 12000 items of materials and periodicals, photographs, film, monographs and all types of items and the vast majority of the items are available because of the copyright deposit system.

where we might have about 20000 items coming to the copyright department library has in their collection management department to select material from that as well as purchase. it is quiet and enterprise. >> you mentioned the genealogy is a largest audience so with all the materials that you have how do you prioritize what you work on digitizing? >> we have outsourced we asked the community what is most important and we have a hit list of records the public has told us are the most important. we are heavily dependent on private funding to accomplish that. there is no government funding for that kind of work.

and so very often matching up the partner with the list for digitization. they had been very fortunate to have benefited from the support of an anonymous donor who was very interested in world war i and world war ii film and photograph that has always been high on our list so that was a good match. but it is an ongoing process to find the right donor and matching them. that list is somewhere on the website if you go to the archives it is on there somewhere. if you search you will find it try digitization priority. it is their publicly. >> and the library of congress has a list of selection that are digitized.

>> i guess my question is really around truth and history and a question i have is how are you capturing context and how do you ensure that our archives represent everyone's history instead of just the people who are in power right now? >> i don't do context. >> we do context in a different way. a great historian don meacham, doris kearns goodwin she wrote a book and what the scholars and historians do is take the actual things and they provide the context of the historical

perspective to use all types of sources so to make sure the sources are there and collected that is where a lot of the materials are to say this collection could be important to anyone that would be looking at fill-in the blank. the subject. . . . . other national archives. we don't select only the good stories. we collect everything that is

created, scheduled for delivery to us. this issue of truth is incredibly important and all the work that we do to follow up on what we see our potential violations of record laws goes to that point to make sure to the best of our ability transferring to us the records as they are created and not adjusted, not deleted, not changed and that is our responsibility. >> if you go to mount vernon, torch washington's home, there is an exhibit there.

it has martha washington. it shows after george washington died, martha washington put all the letters and burned them. she didn't want anyone, and there is no letter that survived between george and martha washington. she did not want that to be exposed. you look at context or you look at historical figures in history that there is that aspect as well. >> let me just give you two examples of collections that i am personally proud of the fact that these things have survived over time. we can learn from them. 377 treaties signed with the indian nation.

that would easily have been a collection that could have been destroyed because of embarrassment or whatever. these treaties are used today by tribal elders and tribal lawyers to settle water rights claims, land claims, but they tell a horrible story of how our government treated native americans. things that were promised to them, things that were never delivered. the other is all of the records around the japanese camps. a horrible story of how we treated german-americans, japanese americans in a way that is just inhuman. it should serve us as a lesson

from around history. >> hello. the citizens archivist and the citizens historian program. if there is a big need for volunteers in those programs, i am wondering if they provide for some retired librarians i could help with that. texas has a roundtable of retired librarians. it just seems like dowd be a great thing to draw upon tiered if there is a need, quite often, people are participating in these programs and their popular and there is not a need. >> thank you. [applause] >> hi. i am a history librarian at

mississippi state. thank you for the shout out. my question is, one of our biggest problems is helping students and researchers access primary sources that do not have the resources to drive to institutions all over the world and all over the country. i was wondering if you all had ideas apart from digitization which requires tons of resources from institutions. if you have ideas or anything about how we can, you know, help youth and researchers access all these resources. >> the entire thing is helpful in terms of the actual collections. also, a program teaching with primary resources. actually have curriculums that connect you to what is digitized and you can connect to other

sources as well. putting up a lot of educational things as well. and archive. [laughter] being able to help educators with how-to, it is not just enough to put it up there, but to actually have a curriculum guide, k-12, but also beyond is one way we are really working on that. and then the eight teen wheelers going into communities. >> okay. >> you are not going to do that? >> we talked about it. >> actually go in and have staff and people there that can also work with other people. >> thousands of primary sources. our educators created.

more excitingly, lesson plans that the teachers have created. a community of teachers that work around the site. sharing information about best practices in the classroom. >> cool. hi. i am librarian. i worked at at a 9-12 boarding school in connecticut. i spend a lot of time educating our students. trying to make sure they do all the stuff they are supposed to do. i was sort of concerned when i heard about the possibility of the office moving away. i did not know if there is any news about if that would still happen or if everything is safe and wonderful and staying with congress. we do utilize resources for a lot of things that we do.

>> right now, the copyright office is still being administered by the library of congress. any movement on changing that is on hold, basically. waiting on congress. in the meantime, what we are working on is modernizing. there's a lot of work to be done there. it needs to be modernized. easier for people to register and to record and all of these things. record their rights. especially in the digital age. we are really busy trying to do that. finding the support financially, fiscally.

working on that modernization effort. it is secondary to what it does and how it does it. that is what we are working on now. >> another thumbs-up. >> thank you. >> my name is alfred powell. i am from an elementary school. first of all, thank you for sharing and giving us enlightenment on the division and the actual responsibilities of both entities. secondly, for making the elaborate congress open for all populations, opportunity for information. something you shared a long time ago. manifesting in your work there. also, i like to share for those that may be in virginia, a resource call that you can tap right into the archives, the

smithsonian all in one fact form in so many other entities to give you full access. i know virginia has it. i don't know about their rights for privilege for other people, but that is a resource. my question is, how do i get my kid into the overnight stay? [laughter] >> we are working on it. we are working on it. >> opportunities for exposure. >> go to the archive website. [laughter] you will find an announcement of the next one coming up which is october 14. we do twice a year. october and february. it is open to 100 kids. eight-12 years old. they have to have an adult with them. >> all right. thank you. >> the pressure is on. >> the pressure is on.

we have to think about that. >> thomas jefferson was a foodie we will get that going. please let us know and keep in touch. >> appreciate it. >> yes. has president trump mentioned where he might like to have his presidential library museum someday? >> that is a great question. we get regular phone calls from around the country from press asking that same question. as far as i know, no decision has been made. an indication, perhaps, when

barbara bush asked, he announced that he planned to be buried in new jersey. if he plans to be buried at the side of his library, maybe an early indication. >> is going to see about the abraham lincoln one, two. >> from michigan. library board. i'm also the executive tractor for the ford foundation. i want to thank you for the unique relationship that the foundations have with the national archives to continue the legacies of our president. bring in the foundation of archives to a different level. the effort to continue the legacies of the presidents.

>> thank you. an interesting dynamic. you have the federal government, private foundation and a family working together to preserve the legacy of an administration in the family. in these now 14 sites across the country that are part of the national archives. it was kind of dormant when i arrived. it was important to me as i was going around meeting my staff and meeting the folks in the foundations that we develop a better working relationship so that we can share best practices and leverage the great work that is being done around the country in each of these institutions. not only in my own director, but work together more productive

roughly as a group. we usually try to meet twice a year, once in washington and once that one of the sites to talk about, most recently been talking about the reform plans. consolidation of classified information in washington, rather than the presidential libraries. some staff reductions. it is important for me, as a communication tool, these are the most complex of our relationships because it is a stewardship kind of responsibility getting a group of folks even within some of the families, a district group of folks getting them to work together with the federal government.

and the private foundation. another thing i spend a lot of time on. it is been very productive. >> a president like lincoln, how do you deal with ongoing -- >> i don't. [laughter] >> okay. all right. >> i have enough to worry about. >> you're so she and is abraham lincoln. >> lincoln is a good example. he is everywhere. we have lincoln. you have lincoln. the lincoln library has lincoln. >> i think the lady in the grain >> hi. i had a question about staff development. you continue to shift your priorities.

both organizations have huge staff. i'm curious to hear your thoughts on priorities and staff development. >> actually, the library of congress has to have staff development and training, the technology. also archival message and conservation and preservation. that will not stop. it is the balance. going on at the same time. that is a big part of it. having the technology. also retrofitting. some staff members skills. that started out and helping them with the technology skills. it will be both. >> how many staff? >> 3200, approximately. three buildings. fort meade, packard center, all of that.

>> really? [laughter] >> here we go. >> we won't go there. >> a lot. >> yes, i heard. it is clear that the competencies we are looking for is shifting. a double prong kind of approach in terms of working with our own staff to help them develop the kind of skills that they need to be successful and also recruiting folks who are coming in with the skills. and that is a process that has been going on for 10 years. long before i got there. certainly a situation at the new york public and even before that. in my time at duke was the same. recognizing that this is the future. building to that, our strategic and national plan has four goals and the most important goal, to

me, is the fourth goal which is build our future through our staff. a commitment from the top to make sure that we are most importantly training and retraining our own staff, as well as recruiting new folks bringing in that kind of skill. >> yes. a quick personal note. i went to school and worked in d.c. in the 80s. some of my most inspired moments took place doing research at lc and the national archives. memories that will never go away my question is i know that the national archives has has a program by using wikipedia to get true history, truthful history, out to the public. i was wondering if you would talk about that a little. then i will put doctor hayden on the spot and see if lc is going to be doing the same thing.

>> i have been a huge fan of wikipedia since my time at duke when i discovered an entry, someone had done an entry on me. [laughter] >> was a correct? >> it was over the top. it was embarrassing over the top. i could not figure out how you find out who did it. i was embarrassed to think that people thought i wrote this thing. then i watched the editorial process with people commenting and how it got changed. i got fascinated with the whole thing. when i went to the new york public library, i started to recognize the value of wikipedia and then i went to new york and i got even more interested in it and encouraged our curators, our folks who are processing collections, to go in and add length and wikipedia to the new york public library collections as a way to draw people back into the library.

i can still remember my favorite example was the library for the performing arts where the processor had finished the teddy collection and went into wikipedia and within a half an hour she had a flaming email from a faculty member at northwestern. >> how dare you go in and suggest changes to my work. on and on. i was very proud of her. she flamed right back. she had the collection in front of her. this is the truth. the value of linking was something that i really believed in. firmly believed in. it was another opportunity to think about, one of my greatest

concerns from the very beginning, still one of the greatest concerns is we are one of the best kept secrets in washington, in the world. people do not know about the richness of the records of collections. how can we expose more and more people to what we are doing. wikipedia was, of course, one of the things that i wanted people to start linking. we hired the first federal wikipedia and resident. it was registered. i had to apologize to his parents. his mother. he has worked with the staff to educate them, change a culture around wikipedia. for me it is all about eyeballs.

we get about 7 million hits to our catalog a year. 2017 data. about 5000 articles in wikipedia that rely heavily on the content 1.7 billion hits last year. this is why i am such a huge fan of wikipedia. [applause] >> we do all kinds of, i speak out wikipedia conferences. you look at the images -- there i am. you will find me. [laughter] >> and that is a growth area for me, personally. the library and congresses also involved in doing quite a lot.

it helps to add what you know is correct or authoritative content to wikipedia. the librarians are very involved in that. we have time for one more question. before we have to break up. >> hello. i would like to applaud the american library association and the national archives for recognizing diversity. especially in the form of gender diversity women. i like to acknowledge the fact that doctor hayden is the first african-american national librarian and we also have another leader at the library and atlanta. i really would like to applaud the association for recognizing their leadership coming in different forms. [applause] >> thank you. thank you so much.

[applause] i really want to thank all of you for being here. we enjoy being together. working together. we have our other colleagues here. absentee. you should know that we all are working together and trying to make sure -- >> it is great to have carl in washington. the future is rosie. >> thank you all. [applause] here is a look at some authors featured in our weekly author interview program.

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>> book tv recently visited capitol hill to ask members of congress what they are reading this summer. >> i have quite a stack of books here. the first one is the meditations of marcus o really us. i read this along time ago ago. i was only told that this was jim matus, our secretary of defense, favorite book. i have a book here on the life of theodore roosevelt. it's an older book. it's been out for a while. i never had a chance to read it. the 50th anniversary of the tragic death of senator roger kennedy. a new book about senator kennedy. i got to know joe kennedy who was a member of the house here. this is really something i'm looking forward to. i have another book here. 1587. a year of significance. a book recommended by secretary matus. it is about the dionysian china.

if you want to understand modern day china you need to understand the dynasty. this book on the temptations of power. another way to look into the mindset of what is happening in contemporary middle east and what is happening in islam worldwide. this book was recommended to me. it is different from a type of reading i usually do. it is a very interesting book about signs. freshwater muscles. the widest largest diversity of freshwater muscles in my world in southwest alabama. this thing that you could probably throw like a rock and hurt somebody with is supposed to be a definitive book about cuba. it is called just cuba. the author is hugh thomas. it has just been updated. the final one, a book i've been trying to read for some time now a book by isaac walter 10. about people that come up with

the great ideas we are seeing in the tech world. as you can see, i don't read fiction, fiction, i read nonfiction. usually, it is related to the work i'm doing here in congress. i am really grateful to have the help that i have from the library of congress and their experts over there to recommend books. then we can return them and ask for other resources. >> book tv want to know what you are reading. send us your summer reading list, instagram or facebook. :: ::