>> host: it's a pleasure to have you with us today we are a fan of your organization. . >> tell us about yourself. as a news junkie i stop listening to the music for the most part but talk radio. i started listening to that. and i started listening to rush limbaugh when he came to detroit and before that bruce williams and sally jesse raffaella.

that that was much more engaging but then in college with the clinton scandal broke i was glued to tv. hardball at seven and then to rewatch at 11 i cannot get enough. and with those conversations of issues. and the left lost their mind. so if they happen in the restaurant table next to you then you leave or you move. because i love consuming information and it's harder to find. so many see a pattern on the left it's about appealing to

emotion so the alternative is to try to sell them something because liberal policies don't sell very well in middle america. so i thought why are these people doing this? most people watch house hunters international than cnn. maybe not sitting around in a smoke-filled room but certainly something that occurred to them i know you remember because you pointed it out in 2001 george w. bush candidate announced dick cheney to be vice president suddenly the word gravitas which i don't think was found in a transcript for the previous ten years of any newscast was everywhere except

like it was a conspiracy it is our mindset everybody knows what to do and i thought i don't know if people know this or understand the blatant ways that media bias works. but the subtle way of by proxy. >> host: but it's not bias you are looking at it is outrage. . >> the left has the innate ability to appeal to emotion the right does not have. they can present slide after slide. here it is. irrefutable math the other side tries out the worst-case scenario to appeal to your emotions you are only one paycheck away from this happening to you. it scares the hell out of

people. you remember your fear and you remember when you laugh you appeal to emotion not learning your algebra the room. but the left is so much better at their message to sell to people. >> and plus bob dole who nobody cares about with a republican president or presidential candidate even going back to eisenhower at one point or another making accusations and that is the politics of fear because to me it is fascinating if you look at a political movement think of the tip of the spear of

congressional leaders on the left you talk about nancy pelosi or the administration or hollywood or left-wing activist but in instance after instance after instance i have never seen this before trying to convince me. >> that is the economy that is communicated i don't understand the fear necessarily but the center of the funnel and it doesn't matter where it comes from they will disseminate the information going from the democratic leadership through the party through the media and hollywood and now they know what they are looking for for publicity the snake eating its own head because it is the

easiest conduit despite what your organization is thankfully addressing and documenting over the last 30 years you can see the strategist talking about north korea they must know what they are doing they are on tv certainly they have vetted them there is no job as strategist i cannot find a job you just talk on tv but then you begin to realize you convey the message that you want or you play along and it is kabuki theater it's brainwashing at an office from nefarious purposes but it is done for convenience. out of this is what we need

and this person will do it like a lego piece. just this morning. >> host: you are not too fond of contributors on television. >> no. i work for the heritage foundation right out of college in the early 2000. when there was an issue on capitol hill working on health care modernization act with the drug benefit my boss would make a beeline to the studios msn and fox and all the policy analyst because they read the legislation they understood the ramifications but somewhere that stopped now here is a guy we had on yesterday talking collusion now he talks about prescription drug prices tomorrow he will talk about the flavor of the day so we realize so it was shut out for

convenience so i get it if you are good on an issue you want to stop your competitors for getting them because it is a business but they weigh on everything with no expertise watching from one day to another they are weighing in on wildly different things to become an expert or water to issues but everything including international relations or law or prescription drugs? how do you have time to do all this? then you realize they don't they are booked ahead of time. three days you will come on at this time we will tell you the topic. >> you are giving away the secrets. [laughter] . >> i know but there are people who know their stuff you can disagree with their conclusions but you cannot disagree with their facts and they, the heritage foundation

with that path that was beaten to the ground is now run over because they don't come from experts that people who are easy to get on the payroll good on tv can digest the associated press story 20 minutes before air and speak at the 30000-foot level where nobody learns anything but the purpose of general journalism is to educate and i don't see that happening anymor anymore. >> host: the former president of cnn and i knew each other i was big giving him a hard time because they were the oj network. he said my job is to bring advertising to the shareholders. last year our audience was down 25 percent this year we were the oj network we went up 400 percent so what would you do in my shoes?

i think that's the point because they are doing this partially because they cater to the audience. >> i get that but they should not be on the public dole like new jersey is having publicly funded media but there has to be a point to that if you just have a network was somebody standing naked in the intersection that will get pretty good numbers i'm not sure if we convey a lot of information. i'm not completely against contributors if you want to get the opinion that's fine bed in the middle of a news broadcast that's why have a problem. it is a delicate line i do support the business model but you do have access to experts nobody at the think tank will charge you to sit down for a five-minute interview so you have the opportunity to convey information tucker carlson not just saying that because he's a friend that tucker carlson

has actual first person newsmakers who was introducing legislation he will bring in the democrat and that is so rare on cable news you can learn more and that hour than the rest of cable new news. >> that answer right now was longer than any sound by a loud on any television network today. the used to be the big screen but if you were a guest on crossfire you would defend your position for half an hour against people that were loaded with facts from a whole team of researchers. if you had one hand behind your back but today it's two men - - two minutes does anybody really get a point across on television? . >> no. they don't and i'm guilty of

it so you look at something that goes viral the network so looks like something they can click and put in a tweet and post on facebook to go viral. it is bad. it is good for business but we are in a world that moves so quickly you know, this. twitter is immediate in the "wall street journal" today says report first and correct it later once it was in the paper in print there it was for the world to see now you post online and then add the update or another editors know and don't worry about fact checking but you cannot convey information that are not interested but they're more interested to be first. it is the death of journalism in a lot of ways it has been

democratized there are a lot of people who can put their stories out there. i don't know if that is necessarily good because fake news is all over the place a rumor gets around the world three times before the truth gets his penis on. >> host: micro aggressions. [laughter] explain that and why they just showed up and why we didn't have those? . >> here is a trigger warning. a micro- aggression is some sort of offense normally racial or gender specific that if you and i were talking you wouldn't notice they had done it but a third party may have picked up on the subtleties in some obscure way that it was offensive and then come tell

you that you should be offended by what i said now you become offended this as a college campus and then you demand the apology and i gave you the apology it is so subtle the reason we have it i am not somebody would deny racism exist 7 million people on the planet but we have to acknowledge we have made significant progress. and i write about this in the book 106 million people in the country and 4 million members of the kkk the biggest racist organization three.8 percent of the population in 2016 with 30 million people the poverty law center estimated there were 6500 members of the clan that is a rounding error in population in 100 years to a rounding air is amazing.

peppering the book with jokes to make it fun but the wnba celebrated his 2016 season because of their success the average attendance was 7600 people someone any given random game the least popular sport 1100 more people at that game than members of the clan in the whole country. we should celebrate that. there is still racism but that is amazing progress for a society but we are told this is a racist country we have to create micro aggressions so to say something ridiculous they don't say america's the greatest country in the world but somehow born in scotland that is in the front because you are not the greatest we

have to create something ridiculous like that to keep the fuel going in the outrage machine how we are horrible racist country and discriminating. >> host: would you agree it also sells on television and that's the reason why it is projected? i don't know what else to call this person who did the shooting in charlotte and that one photograph of him with the confederate flag. that was the reason you would tear down the statue in new orleans one despicable person holding a flag but that visual was shown everywhere and then see the initials of the kkk so do you believe the media keeps it alive because it's a good visual? . >> and it's good politics if you want people not to think

rationally then you keep them riled up and angry and afraid most of the things you apologized in your four were not things you said calmly sitting at your desk thinking about it clearly it was the heat of the moment and you come back to say sorry and you cursed kicking the coffee table a motion overrides logic. the democrat spent the last two years open season the data doesn't show that the facts don't show that but the media shows that because they find stories and focus on it to the exclusion of others. that's what happened with dylan ruth and that little monster and for confederate monuments in baltimore and maryland was a confederate state because lincoln arrested the legislature but they tore those down. they celebrated and we have

addressed this problem but the next year the highest number of murders recorded in city history. no problem was solved but it was symptom over substance the media research center has been pointing that out appealing to people's feelings is a much easier sell because you can make somebody feel bad then you give them a way to feel good about it. if you tell somebody something logically that you save more to be ready for retirement that is no fun that tell them to feel bad but then give them the key to feel good is the drug dealers model quite frankly. [laughter] >> host: it seems like whatever they get, they want more so on this confederate

thing now they talk about having to be named the capital of texas because here in austin because they want to rename the capital. >> even though he died 15 years before the civil war. i don't know how that works but with that time machine technology i want to know about it. >> we saw with the border crisis with the separation of families by law by the way. . . . .

the publisher picked him up and i'm sure he earned a job at "the new york times" he met with the president and said they are enemies of the people. "the new york times" running op-ed. if they are enemies of the people that is a little bit harsher than it needs to be.

they are opening up and are being told time and time again by those journalists that the republican health care plan and repair and replacement was going to cost upwards of 40 or 50,000 lives per year. adolf hitler now resides in the white house don't have an obligation to act. the publisher doesn't recognize they wrote an op-ed in their own pages and said he isn't hitler. i don't know how else to point it out except just plain out.

i. to oppose them right now anyone listening to you from the left. it is the emotional appeal that i write about. if you believe that your enemy is history's greatest monster, nothing stays valid. you have every right to hate them and despise them and reject

and refuse to listen to them. i hope we don't see again but i fear we well it is much easier. i don't have to counter it. the charge of racism again going back to that. there is racism in this country but they were drowned out. they are the people being hurt. it doesn't matter if you've held that position. i opposed bill clinton. nobody made that charge but suddenly the left found it much

easier to go around these terms rather than make a coherent intelligent argument. i don't blame them. most people wouldn't. but it's not advancing the ball or stability or winning an argument just because you get people that are refusing to engage in the $21 trillion in debt winning the argument. we talk about the contributors in the news. most conservatives don't understand the power of hollywood. >> guest: eventually somebody

will try to legislate something. when i write a column about hollywood, i occasionally check it's sort of a vanity thing but there's always people there who say i got rid of cable, i don't watch tv. congratulations i'm not saying you have to go to the movies every month or every week but you should be aware of it because it's important growing up most people are not watching or reading the newspapers. climate change is coming in the

country, all this documentary is our about the disclaimer. then you've got the mainstream movies that hammer in these messages. it's getting into your head. if you don't pay attention to that and find a way to counteract that you are going to lose in the long run. they believe things that are not necessarily good and impact their vote.

only two of them have more than $100 million. to pretend there isn't a message behind this. to bring in more people of col color. maybe we should make their movies and scripts.

they want to deal with the end result rather than the problem. they tend to only find the bad ones. it is them that are doing it and there are too many people to name. the left does whatever they are caught doing.

we didn't do this. the automaker in michigan and this. that is how they sort of abyssal themselves of guilt. when do conservatives complain about the media invariably. >> guest: police office with

jon stewart he wanted to be a jokester and make a serious point. these monologues are political speeches and you don't know th that. you are being inundated with half-truths and flat-out lies sometimes so it's much more powerful that they because it's not everyday people watch it. it's done with humor which isn't

much but you tend to remember jokes longer than anything else, so he's much more dangerous. >> host: why was it okay for them to. his number one job was to be funny. he had to do a ten minute monologue he says i want to talk about medicare for all. let's make fun of everybody.

the night before the water cooler and you might talk about what he said the following night that was all about making you laugh but. you can't have but one anymore. you spend a lot of time talking about the wall center. i want you to comment on three different levels. the bias incident motivated in

part by the bias or prejudice differs from a hate crime. how else is the bias motivated. you can report that it has a bias incident. i'm glad you took it that way. we're down to around the area of the population. there is an entire industry the wall center if we solve these problems they don't want to go away they want to keep raising

the money so they don't have to continually redefine what the problem is and pretend they are not redefine the problem is. it was instituted after the election of donald trump. remember they were going through the roof. the jewish community centers were bringing bomb threats and that was a huge story in the jewish teenager living in isra israel. they are not as big and people are shunned city have to redefine. they have to redefine it down to the point that if you say something like i am an american first but is a micro- aggressi

aggression. when you go to the pool statistics it is to be a beat down america is the greatest country in the world and throws them into the same bag. they made it almost something to aspire to. i've been discriminated against because of my sexuality or whatever, so people aspire to that and find new and creative ways to paint themselves as victims and then of course the

hero fighting the victim you see this with the hate crime hoaxes to social justice warriors are inundated through high school and college you have to go out and fight conservatives and different people so then they bust out of their classrooms everywhere and it is systemic the country is founded on it. they then spray paint not see swastikas and racial slurs on the dry erase board and report it and say look what i found and eventually there were 70 cases in the book and so many that you don't hear about in the initial report or follow-up. they wanted to raise awareness.

they don't know how to think for themselves anymore. >> host: it could be considered du have another term it occurs to be talking about the bias incidents you probably document 200, 300 or 400 this book where there were a micro- aggressions if we wanted to call them against conservatives. do you suppose the wall center has ever addressed a single one?

>> guest: no. there's no money in it for them they are not going to stray from that you. you're not going to say there's some other billionaire over here who wants the opposite of that we want to appeal to them. they don't fight poverty at all. it goes to these bogus studies and they maintain and troubled country first-class and there's

a business model behind all of this. the people running the organizations, no matter the cause, they are not missing a meal. they never heard about it in the press. what happened with the hate crime map with was the consequence? >> guest: the family research center shot by a guy that brought in a bag full of chick-fil-a and a gun hell-bent on killing as many people at the family research center, the christian organization that believes marriage is between a man and a woman.

they stopped the would-be killer and it's inspired because the left unsaid a map on the website nobody saw them. it is a double standard the southern poverty law center was for the most part out of stories about the shooting of the family research. they had to issue a retraction but you see how once something gets out there it sticks with

people. that's why they don't want the fact that he's the one that shot at republicans at the baseball field inspired by the progressive politics. they don't want the family research center shooter inspired, they don't want that out there because if it gets out there it will stick. they cite something their own newspaper had by the way. you realize it is wha that is we really up against.

the poverty law center said good ani'm not suggesting this at all but he's following the hate math and taking it -- >> guest: if you believe the organization isn't very diplomatic i in a way to enable these groups is hate. it's not they feel this way on this issue, it is you are either good or you are bad i in if you believe you are good, you have to be against bad. so yofatah. so you labeled the family research council that is harming people and the wealthy are doing is holding the opinion. if you are off on that we have to stand up i have a chance to o stand up on hate and you try to do it and the southern poverty law center acts like a blackjack

dealer saying we didn't have anything to do with it. they ignored the connection in fact they had i printed up versf the map. he said that's how he found out about this group and where they were with the map which was basically like a map to the storstars for people who are not worthy of existing in this country to the left. brian ross of abc news was

allowed to resign. the bombing happened upon patriots' day we all know what the motivation was. you know they hate government so this is probably them into turns out the front. they jumped to the original conclusion and thank god for the groups like the media research center. we won't hold them accountable. they will not acknowledge that it happened when they do the investigation like the george zimmerman 911 call to make it sound like he was racist and they took it completely out of context that is not by accident. it's very deliberate.

it's a different set of standards. >> host: do you see this emerging now? >> guest:. we are not getting enough much from this survey was in the rain and announce it's dangerous in that we all know they had opinions. i grew up with tom brokaw and peter jennings. they were not so blatant about it. now there's no ambiguity about it. they are out there 280 characters at a time telling the president to get bent on a regular basis.

where journalism really went off the rails with watergate it seems to be where it went off the rails journalists became celebrities. they became fabulously wealthy and they were portrayed by robert redford and in a very bit of generosity, carl bernstein was protected by dusting off steam -- dustin hochstein. they made millions of dollars and up and coming want to be like that. a then they became activists but the editors at the time tried to pump the brakes on that. people that wanted to make a difference are now the editors and you have a whole bunch of social justice warriors coming in and they don't want to pump the great. where the social justice become

the editors that is going to be press releases and big slap under somebody's byline in. my daughter is going to have to be skeptical of everything she didn't get multiple sources on the same story from all of those sources. >> host: why does the left hates the truth? >> guest: we only have ten minutes left. it's funny because before he announced he was running, they invited him to their parties and they went to his parties and morning joe, they were panels and now he's hitler. he spots one of them anymore.

why does it matter, they are saying my 80% friend is now my 20% enemy with the progressive activist left is 99.9% is my .1% enemy. there is no middle ground where either onboard or you are out and they can't handle the fact hillary clinton lost because we see with the investigation there have to be some external force as to why she lost. it can't be that after 30 years of knowing her the american people said, and i'm not interested, it has to be something else. they can't accept their ideas is didn't sell and there's a large percentage who like having order and integrity and welcoming of immigrants but it's not an open door. you want to knock on the door don't claim in the out. they don't accept that. but the future business model. it's turned the country and efficient from a melting pot to

a series of dishes and those can be moved like chess pieces against each other. now you are the victim and you put people against each other.

. >> can identify with. part of that is somebody is under attack and he hits back. >> so the media are constantly attacking trump. for lying but where were they with the fact checkers with the president said if you like your plan you can keep it? . >> with a little fact four

times they did at one time they did it when he was a candidate and they declared that to be true and then a fact check to more times the first couple years in the presidency but it was varying degrees of true a little bit clearer not the case but they found a way to work around that and declared it true. only after 2012 in 2013 declared the lie of the year five years after he said it dozens of times but there was no way to hold him accountable for that but the tortured logic to declare that true three times. they didn't have to just to say this is the lie of the year because 5 million have lost their health insurance. if you control the unit of

measure you'll always be the smartest and the best it doesn't matter. that is what these fact checkers do during the third debate nbc news ran live fact checkers. all of them were against donald trump everything they said they declared out by. not one single fact check against hillary clinton everything was straight from the bible. one that they declared a lie from donald trump when he said hillary clinton had acid watched her server to go through it referring to it as acid washing did she physically dip it into hcl

that she did use bleach bit but not acid. you have to have something often your brain to be watching a debate and get to that level that is a visceral dislike that it would be everything. i have been there where it's just not working out anymore you begin to find things to nitpick exactly what the media does to donald trump. >> but your affection for bill nye the science guy. [laughter] . >> is nothing against him personally but he is not a science guy he has an engineering degree he tries to do standup comedy and failed but then was cast on a kids pbs show that became bill nye the science guy. it was a great show he showed how to do experiments and learned things but because he

towed the liberal line he is viewed let's bring in bill my on the cbs morning show and he will pontificate how we are all killing the planet with every rainstorm and fight everywhere is because of climate change. he has no idea he doesn't have a science background call at climatology ecologists but just like neil degrasse tyson he is a brilliant astrophysicist but deep space is the antithesis of climate. if you want to know what's going on on pluto you call him if you want to know what causes floods in houston there is neil degrasse tyson saying you need to walk to work now it's all your fault. it's the ability of television to give them expertise they have not earned and they say

he must know what he's talking about but if you look into his past he doesn't. he probably knows more about science than i do because he did 20 years doing experiments on tv that forgive me if i don't cede control of the entire economy to a guy who wrote an article in the nation magazine about how it is killing us all. i find it fascinating that one of the great intellectual leaders is beyoncé. [laughter] . >> or leonardo. sure he cares with his own carbon footprint. >> it is remarkable they put them forward. >> he puts out documentary after documentary i think he has a partnership with cnn but then he has a victoria's secret model the world would be better with more of both

but you not claim to be an environmentalist but the left will not live the way they seek to impose on each other then maybe. al gore is the hollowed out shopping mall in the summer but he will tell you have to turn the fan on in the summer without your shirt because it's good for the planet at the hypocrisy have a problem with anybody having their say but when they don't do it themselves quick. >> but leonardo has a footprint of a small country nothing against it. it's great you are that successful but then to tell somebody else they can but you preach tolerance day and night.

>> you can hold any opinion as long as it is held by everybody and james woods the great actor nominated - - nominated for the killing fields james woods is very smart his agent said i cannot work with you because of your politics. roseann tweeted something incredibly stupid and lost her job and her show she is pretty much done. not that she should not have been scorned and ridiculed and forced to apologize but run out completely but the director of the galaxy movies made a bunch of pedophile jokes and was fired and the

cast came together just recently to write a letter to say he should be rehired he is a good man this was a long time ago forgive and forget. everyone for double standards.