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historians narrate the 1921 silent film documenting the journey of a world war i soldiers remain from france to arlington national cemetery. at 6:00 p.m. we visit the american cemetery in north eastern france, final resting place for over 14000 american soldiers and it a p.m. eastern the re- air of president trump at the world war i ceremony in paris. sunday, veterans day, on c-span and american history tv on c-span3. >> canada star is out with a new book as independent counsel for the whitewatere and lewinsky investigation. the title, contempt and memoir of the clinton and ministration. you begin and end that book by the people in the independent counsel office with you. one of those people, brett kavanaugh. and what are your thoughts this morning on this hearing that will be happening on monday
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where we will here get from brett kavanaugh in his accuser. >> guest: i don't know the accuser but i do know brett kavanaugh. i've been reaffirmed in my firm belief in brett kavanaugh and his integrity and character by the outpouring of support from those who have known them for all these years, not just people who worked with him the people who grew up with him p includina lot of women who say this is not the brett kavanaugh who we knew or went to school with and so forth. i hope there will be a balance in ultimate judgment that we have this long and distinguished career and then this one alleged episode from high school but i believe in brett kavanaugh and his integrity. >> host: we like viewers to join inie and the segment with judge stark democrats call -- republicans call -- independence call -- speaking of the judgment
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here from what people see on monday. who's the burden of proof on monday? is a non- accuser here to prove this happened? is on brett kavanaugh to prove it did not happen? >> guest: i don't think it will sort out that way. it's an ultimate judgment by the grades deliberative body. you need to go through a process they are going to the processk b and then to step back and render ultimate judgment. so, this is not a court of law. it's a process of what is right for the american people and what is right for the spring court and i hope it will be on the merits looking at the entirety of st this record. i have to say i'm concerned about the process. i don't hear people talking about the process that much.n' it's a very detailed process of confirmation including the review of six former fbi investigative reports and all this has come to the public life within the last h six days.
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that's unfortunate and unfairness to the process. >> host: what should the process be right now with his hearing coming up on monday? what should be happening right now. >> guest: one of the best suggestions is for there to be a non- circus atmosphere. best way to do that is to have confessionals, what shall i say? i'm arguing for my own profession but very skilled lawyers doing the questioning and the senators should make statements but if we want to, in fact, get the truth and have very skilled lawyers do justice done during thet watergate -- >> host: it's the details of this incident are lost to history how do you end up deciding who to believe? >> guest: i don't know ultimately it will be a credibility as opposed to here's an episode or incident from high school.
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i want to emphasize that. from high school. this is not from college and not from law school or anything in the profession, nothing in the office and no suggestion of pattern or practice and all these things are critical as opposed to one incident. i'm suggesting an ultimate kind of judgment about the character an individual based upon his entire life. >> host: dayton ohio, kathleen, democrat. >> caller: hello, mr. star, he pushed hard for the investigation and you let the investigation into clinton and extramarital affairs. then that preceded to impeachment. now you're pushing back against the idea of impeachment in regard to president. i question that and i also question in regard to kavanaugh i watched the hearings and lay his line of questioning in regard to kevin not receiving a confidential letters of senator
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leahy's and stolen e-mails and covenantal letters, i question kavanaugh's integrity based on that line of questioning and of course voted in support of corporate interest rate back to the -- why would you push for impeachment with clinton? >> host: kathleen, we have your question. >> guest: kaplan, what i did do was what the statute under which i was appointed required me to do. the statute that comes fast under which i was appointed byat three judges required the independent counsel to report to the house of representatives aswhen any quote, substantial ad credible information came to the independent counsel's attention. so, i simply obeyed the statue. the investigation itself was not understood by the american people and i lay this out in my book and my memoir called contempt..
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that part of the investigation was authorized by bill clinton's own attorney general. to review the evidence we had of possible perjury on the part of the president and possibly other crimes and she then decided, she, the attorney general, that she needed to go to three-judge court and to say this has to be investigated and i cannot turn a blind eye to the possibility of the president of the united states committing crimes. that is what the statute required. janet reno, attorney general, at the time did her duty and then i had a duty to do that as well. final thing i will say. with respect to impeachment what i said in my testimony before the house judiciary committee and i describe that longest day for me was essentially on the hot seat you can take this referral and do anything you want with it including just
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tossing it in the trash. sure number of people wanted to do exactly that but i sadly said it's my duty, here it is, now it's your judgment. that experience, final part, why i am saying don't go there now but what i'm saying is they are in the clinton experiences we've learned from our history as a free people and impeachment was not a wise way to go. diane feinstein who's in it news these days was pushing for a resolutionon of censure, she wanted to condemn president clinton's conduct, not the morality of the relationship with monica but his crimes against the rule of law. in this country we believe no one should be above the law and that was onee of the reasons te council was created when we have a special counsel now in bob mueller to ensure the rule of law. >> host: the contempt, can start
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with us for the next 50 minutes to talk about it this morning on washington journal. douglas in alabama, independent, good morning . >> caller: how are you? >> host: good. go ahead. >> caller: yes, i tell you i'm disappointed in ms. feinstein and her action that she took sending that information to the fbi. felt like that was very wrong in her to do that and that she should not have done it but she should have waited and checked to make sure everything was appropriate on this lady's part. that's the way everybody does and i think the man is always wrong in every case because they the woman always goes hollering the sky is falling. >> host: using diane feinstein should have conducted a previous occasion before forwarding on information? >> caller: i think she should have that their income before the people and then before going to the fbi and going that far to
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try to damage him in such a way because if that had held up in everything that the fbi could come out and arrested him and embarrassed him and everything. >> host: got your point, douglas. >> guest: one of the great things about our country and our system of law is a believe in fairness in the spring court frequently uses the term, fundamental fairness, at the core of due process. that is important in the senate process as well when it's engaged in fact-finding and not lawmaking. i do have concerns about the process and i think it would'vee been far better and i don't know anyone who said that it was handled well by senator feinstein. basically, to keep this information that came atconfidential and anonymously o her and not to share that with the committee in a timely manner
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so it could be considered in a timely manner. i think processes are so important and in order for the megan people to have confidence in the ultimate fairness of the ejudgment and very quickly -- it was felix frankfurter, great justice on this up in court, bygone era who wrote once the history of liberty is in large part the history of procedure. when we think about that in criminal justice system we can understand that. we need their process and we think of miranda rights in the like. so too, in terms of fairness everyone involved including the supreme court and the dignity of the supreme court. this kind of thing should be handled with a really keen eye unfairness and i have concerns about the way it has been handled but we are where we are. >> host: syracuse, new york, georgia, republican. >> caller: yes, i was just
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wondering why she waited so lo long. kavanaugh has been in the public eye for years but she's a translator. before the 40 states voted for trump and the democrats have been asked all the time in this gal should've come up [inaudible] but she hates trump and so she takes down this command and this is not the christian way it works. >> guest: i understand the concern we have in this country and as part of our sense of fairness. statutes of limitation that if you have a complaint about something then you should, in fact, bring it forward but i'm not going to in any way criticize the accuser much less attack the accuser. let's sort all this out and as i have said now, we are where we are so let's get to the bottom of things as best as we possibly can. my concern and this is problem
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of the fairness concerned is that there be eventually a judgment on the part of the senate that reflects the dignity of the senate and dignity of the supreme court of the united states which is judging the entire record. i heard the united states senator very distinguished new senator from alabama say that he had been inha the process happes to be a lawyer, senator jones, he's been in the process of reviewing the entire body of of brett kavanaugh and that is as it should be. look at all his judicial writings in his 12 years of service and look at his extrajudicial, flight of court, his speeches and it's a vast body of work but look at his service under president bush and service in the independent counsel's office. that is what a fear and mature presented of democracy will do.
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i fear that what is unfolding right now is a bad of a mob and circus atmosphere and i hope that wise, sages in the senate and that's why we let them every six years, not every two years, we want them to take a step back and say we understand people have strong feelings u about ths issue and you have expressed strong feelings but the prior caller expressed strong feelings but it's for the senate to step back and say this is the right thing to do looking at the entirety of the record. i want to say one more thing about bret. i know brett kavanaugh and worked with him and i saw him day in and day out in the office and i did not know him in high school. i did not know him in college. i did not know him in law school but i've known him since he was an adult professional and what you are seeing is an outpouring of commentary but the peopletp o know himme and to say this is completely out of character for brett kavanaugh and that is my
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sense, too. i will say this. as an employer i from time to time heard complaints about sexual harassmentl, not a hint f anything like that on the part of brett kavanaugh. and led an exemplary life we saw that the confirmationn hearing. i hope that exemplary life will arbe again taken into account by the world's greatest deliberative body,y, the united states senate. >> host: hampton, connecticut, democrat, good morning. >> host: we lost calm. marie, independent, virginian. >> caller: good morning. reason why i'm calling is because 72 years ago i was five years old and last day of school in the early part of june and i was coming home with my little report card.
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a boy started chasing me and i started running and i ran into an alley next to a church. and the boynt came up to me, pushed me against the wall and pulled at my panties and when he did that i shoved really hard and flew across the street diagonally across the street to the apartment building where i lived. to this day i have always remembered thatha and i never told, not a single adult, my father was my only parent at the time and i guess he told me things about how to defend myself and not have people to bother me.
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but i was afraid to tell anyone because i knew my father would try to find out about that boy and probably hurt him but the whole point is i never, ever forgot the incident. my father i saw the boy years later bailey moved away from the neighborhood and remember his face in years later after that i saw him as a young man running for city council or he was like this upstanding young citizen at the time.he the whole point i'm making is that at the age of 77, i never forgot that. i was very lucky and of course the kid was only eight or nine at the time but the point is it was a violation. >> host: you for sharing your story. >> guest: these are searing
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experiences and what you described is a horror that has remained with you and i don't think anyone in this process as unfolding will gain say the importance of hearing a story and for the process of healing in the like with these episodes are alleged but my point is very simple. a character we know and obviously i don't know the person running for the city council and your story which is a powerful story but i do know brett kavanaugh and not only i know brett kavanaugh but many women who have served with him in the office have known him and worked with him and has come forward in this outpouring of solid -- and with all the fbi reports, six fbi reports and the like it is an unblemished record that the senate has before it
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and that record is the record i saw unfolding when he tweeted every person with dignity and respect. here's a key point. brett kavanaugh emphatically denies this episode. he says it did not happen. and so,de your city council pern situation i respect what it is you are saying but what i think the public and marie you can appreciate is those of us who known him for decades and who worked with him every day never saw any indication of a character was anything other than upright and honest in treating everyone including now since the focused on this issue especially women and that came out at his confirmation hearing. he went the extra mile when he saw the impediments to professional progress of womenhe and we have seen all these law
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clerks come forward, women law clerks come forward and say complete dignity and complete respect and more than that, he encouraged them and help facilitate professional opportunities for them. what we are hearing is something that to me is totally out of character for the brett kavanaugh that hundreds of us know and admire. >> host: what are your feelings on the me to moment? >> guest: it was overdue. it's a position of power when we think about the folks who lost their jobs and men who have taken advantage of themselves or of their power position and onfrankly, i note this in the book. with all due respect to his many talents, bill clinton was never called to accountal, including r the possible rape of a someone, who to this day, says i was raped by him and not in high school but when he was the attorney general seeking the governorship. i think president clinton is likewise being called to account
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for the abuse w of power directd toward women by powerful men. >> host: five, illinois, republican, good morning. >> caller: good morning, john. i love c-span. judge starr, pleasure to talk to you. you've done a terrific job in the whitewater education. the senate did not go along with you but you did a terrific job it a concern about the special counsel now, not doing a very good job for our country. the fbi, doj, cia are up to their ears in spine and leaking and all kinds of things, possibly classified and do you think it's time to get a special counsel to investigate the investigators? >> caller: i appreciate. >> guest: i appreciate the concern for let me say several things. i know by mueller. i have confidence in his
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integrity, just as i served with brett kavanaugh. bob is semper fi, maureen, has had an exemplary career as has brett kavanaugh as a public servant. i believe in his integrity. i have expressed concerns about some of the senior people around him in terms of their over partisanship and i hope they are leaving their partisanship at the door which is their response ability and they have a first amendment right to believe whatever they want to believe butth leave that to the door. in terms of some of what we've heard which is distressing and disturbing, fbi agents and the like. there are checks and balances in place and just as i say in the book the system will work, whether you agree with what eventually happens or whether you agree with what the senate did or house of representatives did during the clinton phase or during the clinton years but these checks and balances work and bill clinton was held accountable. you may not like the judgment or
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you may love the judgment but he was held accountable and that is happening and unfolding as a speak, not just by mueller but let's go to your specific concern about intelligence officers and the like. those investigations are underway, including internally by someone in whom i have great confidence and that is michael horwitz inspector general at the justice department who is a career double servant and totally honest and very able and he will get to the bottom of things and has the power and done those two refer matters to the criminal division for possible prosecution. the cia likewise will have the inspector general and they are on the beat but we don't read about them. finally we have the house and senate intelligence committee and other oversight mechanisms in the senate judiciary committee was very much involved in looking at certain issues appertaining to the investigation so i would counsel
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the american people to be patient, allow the process to run with the checks and balances washington dc are in place. >> host: mapleton, illinois, independent, good morning. >> caller: good morning. i will give you a short bio. army veteran as well as a retired police officer out inli california. the reason i brought that up is because the ruleses we lived unr then were from the harsh and you could be terminated for a lot less than what we see in politics. i should think mr. starr because i was there during the clinton hearings and could not care less about president clinton but the fact is its was action and reaction. you should be proud because you started something that is continuing today and you were going to see that we can't go back. when you start telling people about reality which is a touchy subject, i never approach it,
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now you want to see things change a little bit. as far as i'm concerned, he did lie but we can put all these people in congress and anyone in public office and put them under oath before the good office and then when they get caught lying let me throw names at you, dennis, homosexual pedophile. larry craig, newt gingrich, sound familiar? those people you want? is an american life should not be in the same sentence. hang on.n. once you start on this track this is how the game is played. >> guest: thank you for your service both in the army and in line for cement and enjoyy the land of lincoln. since you're in the land of lincoln i have a different view. of american society and american culture and politics. obviously politics can be ugly but no, this is not about
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morality, i don't think. the book is not about morality. my book is about america as a country that believes inel the constitution and rule of law. the principle that no one is above the law. some of the names you mentioned i will not comment on specific situation but one of the checks and balances in a country is the press. i'm a fervent believer in the freedom of the press which is enshrined in the first amendment. point is truth will come out and the american people can assess and evaluate. two came out during the clinton investigation. i will be somewhat harsh but is what i'm about to say is absolutely true and i demonstrated it in the book. present clinton did everything he could to keep the t truth frm coming out. you could say it was about a moral issue but no it wasn't. it was about whether he committed perjury and encourage others to lie, whether he was
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embarked on a process we described in the referral as the abuse of power. that is important. this is the president of the united states. and so, you mentioned to former speakers in the house and the united states senator. people are called to account fot their actions and i think that is healthy in this democracy. not long after the investigation [inaudible] i was teaching new york university's was on my way to get the shuttle to new york and the cab driver turns around and says if this was pre- over but i like calves and so i popped in the cabinet turns out the cab driver is a west african country and i will protect anyone from the country. he says mr. starr, is that you and i said yes. he said in my country is never could've happened and our leaders can do anything they want and they are not called to account. that is not america.
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>> host: one of the reasons you wrote this book isis because you had the time to write this book. used to be president of baylor university -- >> caller: i was fired of president of baylor university. i was dismissed and not fired as chance of it at two positions. board of regents made a determination about sexual violence in the like and possible violations of title ix which is a very important law they needed new leadership. i resigned as chancellor of the university because i felt like i could no longer work with the board of regents at the time, not a criticism but the fact i did step down voluntarily is because as chancellor but i was not fired for cause but we need new leadership. can i complete the thought which is so, the summer of 2016 i immediately said no to law firms to let me have time so i wrote a book about my baylor experience
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and it turned out to be as my agent in california said, can,s it's a love story to baylor. i was delighted to be there. i was finishing that project in late 2016 and hillary lost the election. i said the time is really right, 20 years coming up for the entire process we are noting now in thewe impeachment process and the president equaled that in 99 so it's time. it is now or never to write the story. >> host: half-hour left with can start taking your calls and questions. las vegas, democrat, good morning. >> caller: good morning. can you hear me? >> host: yes, sir, go ahead with your question or comment. >> caller: my comment is i hear ken starr who, you know, he's promoting kavanaugh's exemplary
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character but, you know, the same thing can be said for ted bundy. people who knew him or whatever emma you know, they stood up for his character, even elected officials stood up or whatever. i'm not saying that kavanaugh is ted bundy but i'm saying that, you know, they did not know the real ted bundy so, you know,. >> host: got your point, irving. >> guest: irving, with all the respect, i emphatically disagree with the comparison. we're talking of a situation where someone was carrying on activity as an adult, the most heinous kinds of crimes and essentially living two lives. but kavanaugh has been an exemplary public service and ted
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bundy was not. he did not hold office. a he was not a federal judge who went through confirmation. ted bundy never went through, as far as i know, a single fbi back on track. especially rather than six background checks. the real but kavanaugh is a cannot we saw in the commission hearings in the real but kavanaugh is the person who has generated or not generated but people come up spontaneously went to high school with him, young women were not mothers who have said this is not the character of brett kavanaugh. this is not we knew in high school. just accept the possibility for argumentnt that let's just lookt the high school episode and what we are hearing are all these tributes to his character even in high school and character that has continued for these many decades. >> host: they had the question for you, it charges about what happened in high school turn out to be true, should brett kavanaugh still get a lifetime
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appointment? >> caller: i will not answer a hypothetical question. i'm not. i don't think it can be, at the state, from amino it just is not going to be proven. it will not be proven. it will be her best recollection and he will say and how he denies -- he's not denying that an episode happened but denying that he is the perpetrator and i must say i do not want in any way to criticize or attack the accuser but i hope that there will be fairness to everyone involved in the process just as we ask for fairness in the justice process and in fact, we want fairness in families and what the kids say that is not fair. but the fairness of the process because this is -- were talking the dignity of the supreme court of the united states and allegation, it's an allegation of a single episode in high school so people just need to
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look at the balance and look at the career of brett kavanaugh. >> host: janice, alabama, republican, good morning. >> caller: good morning.thta i have two or three points. one point been this woman went to a therapist and i don't know for how many years but several years ago and there was something happened with a bunch of kids that went to therapists and they convince these children that they had been sexually molested. later on it was found out to be untrue and they ruined a lot of people's lives or at least the therapist did and i'm wondering how much the therapist had to do with this being brought out and it is very suspect that she's a trump hater and she waits till the last minute to do anything
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about it.. >> host: we will take those points, dennis. >> guest: one of the great presidents of the past whose words i frequently invoked including myself is lincoln and in his second inaugural we remember the gettysburg address. it is second inaugural he appealed to the higher nature of our being higher angels of our being. we want fundamental fairness and part of fairness is to make sure that an individual who is the subject of accusations is tweeted fairly and dispassionately so the example that you use is a real one. not going to make comparisons with the current situation. you are absolutely right. some lives were ruined by false accusations. i have been involved for many years with wonderful project called the innocence project. there are people on death row, death row,di who were factually
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innocent, not a legal technicality. we want fairness in this country and that is what i am crying for here, to look again at brett kavanaugh's character and to say look at the nature and depth and range of his contribution. he has never been accused of playing -- until senate committee hearing came up and we talked about one dimension of that beyond this but he has led a life of complete integrity and absolutely firmly denied that, not an episode happened, with the accuser but that he was the perpetrator of any such thing and that he never acted that way. he has this entire lifetime on the cloud of witnesses rallying around him and saying yes, we
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grew up with bret and we knew bret then and we know him now and this is not brett kavanaugh. >> host: alfred in california, republican, good morning. >> caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. i agree with the last caller. at the very last hour since feinstein knew about this she is a disgrace. she really is a disgrace. she is an embarrassment. at the 11th hour he comes out with this and has to destroy his character and i totally agree with you that his character is without blemish. come on. this is ridiculous. it's like a witch hunt. >> guest: well, i will not get into any characterization at all. i appreciate your point of view. >> host: are you concerned about the timing? >> guest: i've indicated there's a genuine process concern and i will say it -- i was senator
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feinstein would have been fair to her fellow senators. and to brett kavanaugh, of course. to the supreme court-, of cours. look at what has happened. she chose not to act on it this information that she had so she had it in july. she cannot act on it until september and she acts on it in a way that gives credence to those who believe that this is political. i'm not saying, don, that is political but gives credence to those who believe this was a last ditch effort. i'm not saying that but this kind of process violation, as i say, failure to respect orderly process and just to say we don't want to talk about the process but focus on these allegations -- >> host: what about the desire of the accuser not to want to come out in july that she did not want her identity known
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until reports started coming out and she was concerned she was going to lose control of the story. >> guest: i respect that but on the other hand if you make the information known to a united states senator it is, as we say in the law, reasonably foreseeable that that information would need to be assessed by the fbi or by the committees on staff or whatever. i don't think with all due respect, you can have it both ways. to say here tonight state senator is a set of allegations which, by the way, i prefer to remain confidential. i understand the humanity of it but again, talk about process. we are in washington dc and talking about the most important court in the united states of america and we have a single individual that is making his comments at the 11th hour and in those comments are the description of the alleged episode, not being me known to the senate -- when the senate judiciary committee has a
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process. >> host: twenty-five minutes up with can start to talk about his book, contempt, memoir of the clinton investigation. a lot of calls waiting for you but california, melanie, waiti waiting, democrat, good morning. >> caller: mr. starr, i have a couple points to bring up. i don't understand you talk about morality and different things that you are doing for number one, i don't know why you continue on with the clintonsem and number two, a woman who's been violated, which i have been violated, it is not easy to come out. just because she waited till the -- it's hard to come out and say i was abused by somebody. you take that into consideration and no therapist convinces you that you have been raped. that is ridiculous. you have any answer to that? >> guest: yes, i do. i understand it's not easy and i'm not saying it is by any means. of course, any violation of
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human dignity, dignity of the human body is a very serious matter but what we have here is brett kavanaugh saying i did not do any such thing and we have many people saying brett kavanaugh is not the person. if the person did, the accuser, has had an interesting career, if the person did in fact have something happen to her i understand it is not easy for her to come out, as you well put it but we are now talking, and about an individual episode but about an episode that is affecting the country and raising them but the question of who is brett kavanaugh? me i -- because i want to come back to her first thing that because she has raised the question about essentially why don't i go away from the clintons? is a part of our history. we need to know history.
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this is the inside story in the inside story, melanie, about why we chose not to seek an indictment of hillary rodham clinton. it's a story that needed to be told. here's a story about our views with respect to the disappearance which constituted an obstruction of justice as i see it of the rose law billing records in little rock, arkansas. they show that hillary clinton have performed legal services for a savings and loan in little rock the field and affected with fraud. that story needed to be told. it's never been told because we did not bring those charges and do not bring those charges because we do not believe we had the evidence admissible in court to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that hillary had committed those crimes but we believe she had committed those crimes. the story needs to be told. use the m word to begin with.
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orality. i'm not talking morality at all. i'm talking about the rule of law and i think that is what the special counsel statute was talking about and what janet rena was talking about. that is when she said the special division three judges, three federal judges, starr needs to investigate whether crimes against the rule of law including perjury and instruction of justice were committed. is that moral? of course but were not talking about the relationship and that is something that frankly, american people needed to be reminded that what the senate was focusing on with the house of representatives was focusing on were crimes, crimes proven on bill clinton's part and that is why i felt the call to write the book. >> host: a minute ago you described brett kavanaugh's accuser as having an interesting career. what did you mean by that connect. >> caller: she's gone into these different fields and moved in california. i find her careers i've read
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about is a interesting journey. i'm not makingg any majority of comment about her but it's a pathrent kind of career that she has followed. >> host: diane in new jersey, republican, good morning. >> caller: good morning. i have to say that i just don't know anyone else that has been sexually harassed more and is many times as i actually have been. but to top all that off, okay, if you have ever experienced another woman that would plan to destroy a man and lie and say that he has sexually harassed you, this woman wanted me to go along with her. okay? she did not want to she did not
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even know i liked the guy at the time. he was a horrible and she just did not like him. or either he just wasn't interested in her. you know. he was a horrible person but i talk her out of doing this and -- all the times i've been sexually harassed, even to the point where, thank god, i did manage to get out of it at gunpoint, it topped all that because of the wicked, wicked -- it was so wicked. >> host: thank you for sharing your story. >> guest: diane, it's a moving story, diane. i regret you had this experience including with the relationship with your friends. sexual harassment in the workplace is a terrible, terrible thing and i think what we are seeing this goes back to
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early part of the conversation is our society has matured and what i described in the book is an atmosphere that bill clinton created that he could do essentially whatever he wanted to vis-à-vis women. then, if someone would make an accusation such as paula jones they would be vilified. i think that was an unfortunate part of our history. we have matured as a society so we are taking allegations seriously and seen people, in fact, losing their jobs because of sexual harassment in the workplace. i want to say what were talking about here in the brett kavanaugh situation something that happened in high school when he was 17 years old, according to the allegations. and which he has denied. i just fear i would call it there's a danger always of mob
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rule. >> host: massachusetts, jeremy, independent, good morning. >> caller: good morning. i really value your opinion and wanted to get a couple quick comments from you about the ca case. i'm an independent and trying to follow this without left or right leaning and the few questions ipi ask is did lisa paige admit there was no evidence or collusion a year into this investigation, what do you think of that? also, what you think of president trump with all the documents and tax and was he really going to do that if there was not something in there? if i can, quickly, brett kavanaugh ends up getting booted, will he lose a seat on the dc district court? thank you. >> guest: thank you. in order, i think it is intriguing that lisa paige,
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former fbi agent has made the statement that she did. i would caution that she was one agent and an important agent but i would necessarily, as it were, take that to the bank. in terms of the overall investigation. let see what happens in the investigation. that having been said, i have seen no evidence whatsoever of the collusion. i have seen lots of evidence of what we all know and that is rushing and russian interference. ... what happens in the investigation. that being said, i see no evidence whatever of collusion. i have seen lots of evidence of what we all know, and that is russian interference. great the contributions of robert mueller was the indictment of the russian officials and
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organizations. in one paragraph of the indictment, i found this revealing and there was no word of collusion in the indictment of the campaign. it described the following, on the very same day in new york city, russian organizations funded and organized both an anti-trump >> given where we are we need to protect the national security interest so there are reasons for classification. given what i know obviously with the people in the investigation we need greater transparency. i would air on the side of transparency and presumeme transparency. let's just allow this information with the sources and methods that is key we don't want to endanger the interest of the united states
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including those who serve that is very important and that goes without saying. but beyond that we should know the truth. the truth will set us free as umuch of transparency as possible so i welcome a classification of the national interest. >> will brett kavanaugh lose quick. >> no. it may not come to that but the answer is no. >> pasadena maryland good morning democrat. t >>caller: i have no issue what happened with bill clinton and going through deep process one - - due process as far as kavanaugh is concerned but what about the republicansi wit putting those 43000 documents on the committee the night before and then not
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waiting for the other 100,000 documents to be reviewed by the library of congress have a view with respect to the document access. i view that as an issue entrusted to the discretion of the senate. but i do think there needs to be a process it needs to be orderly with respect of classification of documents as we said with a last call are now a number of those documents as i understand them had to go through the archival review process under the law. again, sometimeses on the outside we don't under stand the limitations that the government operates but there is a process the government act so to postpone hearings for one year or two years.
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that is a judgment call thatde my view is given what i saw the senate judiciary committee has beforect it a very elaborate record of judge kavanaugh's work and his body of work was extraordinarily detailed because he has been an exemplary judge for 12 years. i don't think there was a lack of information materially affected the judgment of the appropriateness of what he deserved. >> author of the new book contempt of the clinton administration we will get to maas many of your calls as we can. virginia republican line. go ahead. >> good morning. first i am too young to remember anything so i am looking forward to the book. but as a female i have
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experience of a similar situation what is going on with the hearings and the accuser. my question is more with the 11h hour my understanding a lot are being pushed through or seen that way is that like a nirmal or is this fast tracked more than normal? also my other question is represidents can be impeached everybody says supreme court justices are so if the supreme court justice lies during their confirmation hearings what happens? what are the repercussions? . >> on the first question let's review what happened.
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on the last day of the term justice kennedy made the announcement to the nation he was stepping down. within a very short period ofap time the president in july nominated brett kavanaugh than the hearings were set to give weeks of opportunity to review records then the hearings were set for early september so now we talk about a two month process all designed to have a vote hopefully confirming him to the supreme court in timese for the justice to join the court that begins monday october 1st so i think the senate judiciary committee set
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schedule everybody knew what the schedule was in the process began. it was in july that the accuser came to senator feinstein at the as i understand that nothing was done with those allegations even though the senate judiciary committee had public hearings and then went into executive session as i understand itfe to review the most sensitive materials in our democracy the fbi reports i have seen fbi reports. believe me as i described in the book you do not want to be the subject of the fbi report anyone can say anything about you and the agent will dutifully report it they will not cross-examine they are extremely sensitive records so
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in the nature of transparency the senators all agree that we will review those fbi files all the allegations that were ever made in closed session that they accept that discretion to have i hearings this issue are that issue. and brett kavanaugh sailed through that process. and senator feinstein did not bring this information forward even in that process of executive session that is the 1h hour nation - - nature. with the 11th hour one of the messages is very careful be very cautious about impeachment to the american people don't like impeachment it's a too good tool to have two hold people accountable yes, judges have been impeached in the past and
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convicted. >> a couple of things if i might much is made that this happened when judge kavanaugh was 17 years old but in some countries 17 -year-olds could be tried as an adult how many seventies tea over in front of this judge in front of his career were tried as an adult. second, the whole comment that justice is equal and has nothing to do with it if you are rich and powerful you are not held to the same accountability prisons and jails have just as many rich people as they do poor. >> first of all, brett kavanaugh has been a trial judge he doesn't have that type of issue that you talk about.
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but yes they can be tried as an adultlt and but the relevance is the episode that is alleged when he was 17 now that was decades ago that is the fairness issue with statutes of limitation we do have laws that say if you do have charges and i know these are very sensitive, you need to bring them forward. with justice being equal i totally disagree with your cynicism. look at what just happened to paul manafort or his partner and i could start enumerating millionaires and billionaires who find themselves caught up in the criminal justice system. so i respectfully disagree. ours is a good system. if you have a state and local system yesterday was constitution day mister
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madison warned against the kind of phenomenon that i think you are really pointing to in federalist ten, we need a vast commercial republic and a government for this fast nation because of oppression will more locally - - likely occur at the localio level so boss hogg ran that little community in that sitcom. that is what he was warning about you may have a better experience but if you don't think rich folks get chased after by the fbi i can tell you from personal experience you are quite b wrong. >>caller: good morning. my question for mister starr is he keeps saying with the
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justices why are you citing that mister kavanaugh is innocent of these accusations? the 65 people that say that he was a nice guy and the only one that took the issue is the one to seem to have forgotten what happened that night. >> i have a different perspective as you might imagine but ion do talk a lot about fairness andwh justice and that is our system is designed including our political system. this is browbeating we recoil at that the so-called mccarthy hearings from half a century ago as a nation we recoil at united states center in position of power abusing his power, it can be abused when we
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need to have checks and balances. what i testified to is i know brett kavanaugh i know him and i have worked with him it's not what i went out with him to a national scheme once upon a time and he was a nice guy i worked alongside him hour after hour day after day the point is that it isn't unique it is completely consistent with all of those who have worked alongside of him in public life. he has been living in the fishbowl of washington d.c. leading an exemplary life. that is the point i'm trying to make. lay the entirety the full body of work to see who get into the college playoffs put the entire body of work. so i hope we will not lose our perspective so we need to get our perspective back after the revelations and the reactions
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to say this is why we have a senate let's be deliberative about this and not turn this into a circus. >> a couple final callers. north carolina republican good morning. >> >>caller: yes. i have a question. as far as what does a male that is accused of alleged acts that turn out to be false. does he have any recourse? and also i would like to tell you i come from a small town in new york. the next town over there was a high school football star and his girlfriend they had consensual sex but ultimately
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he was charged with rape and sent to prison ten years and put on the national registry for sex offenders. to me that is wrong. >> very quickly know there is no remedy in this arena but we are seeing in college and university arena lawsuits brought by individuals that we call respondents in the title ix area that believe their due process rights were violated when they were found guilty or responsible kicked out of school or otherwise sanction went when - - sanctioned in their career ruined increasingly we are seeing judgments brought against colleges and universities for their violation of basic due process and fairness with respect to the second false charges are in fact, i'm sorry
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i failed to say in this arena for brett kavanaugh the remedy for him his confirmation but that is it there is no legal remedy but false charges i think the american people should be aware of there are lawsuits pending right now alleging that the charges were entirely made up so let's get things adjudicated in a fair way. >>caller: you try to make the clintons look like bank robbers they didn't have any money. they release their tax forms. number two susan mcdougall was on the rekeying and said you would cut a deal with her if she said she had sex with president clinton.
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>> she was convicted of serious felonies that led to the collapse of the savings-and-loa savings-and-loan. she was found in contempt by the united states district court judge susan has madeer these allegations and they are false. back to the contents - - the clintons and their finances i never allege they were wealthy at the time but you do need to read the story and as i recounted my book will demonstrate to a fair-minded person they were involved in financial crimes in little rock. >> contempt, a memoir of the clinton investigation we appreciate your time. >> contempt, a memoir of the clinton investigation we appreciate your time.
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>> the woman with a gold tooth was in a rally in 2007 in north carolina it was a small gathering for those needing something to do obama was looking out at the emptiness fired up and ready to go she abruptly shouted and as if on cue the people around her repeated her words and began to chant and then instantly
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the rally went from doom to glorious it shows you what one voice can do that one voice can change over a year later and if a voice can change the room it can change a city. . >> i don't think political tribalism is the story i think it is the vacuum of the local tribes and the tribes that make people happy like deep friendship and long-term shared locations local worshiping communities all those things with the moment that we are at


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