it. these are all people that are very close to him. and that is not acceptable for american standards. and going out, by the way, and getting other people in other countries and renditioning them back to the country and torturing them just because they happen to have a different point of view as to the regime is also inappropriate. so i think the message to them is, look, this is something that we can get away with. the greatest country on earth and its leader has said it's okay for us to get away with this, we're going to continue doing it. >> does it make you sad the president -- [inaudible] >> it -- i don't want to use the word "sad." i'm urging in a positive way that they take action themselves. because it would be -- >> [inaudible] >> i don't know, we'll see. >> thank you, sir. >> [inaudible] [inaudible conversations] >> good morning.

i think the very definition of the deep state is when the intelligence communities withhold information from congress. today there's a cia briefing going on right now for which most rank and file senators and congressmen have been excluded. i think it's wrong for the cia to have expressed a conclusion that the crown prince was involved with the killing of khashoggi and then withhold that information. i know about the information of the cia's conclusions only by reading it in the media. if i were in the briefing today, i would ask the cia director several items. was the crown prince's brother communicating with khashoggi, telling him it was fine to go to the consulate in istanbul? were there text messages sent back from the killers to the crown prince's office? was there phone conversation between the crown prince and the killers? some are saying there is no

smoking gun. well, what's being reported is, is that there is a smoking gun. there's communication directly from the killers to the crown prince's office. i think the time has come for the senate to grab back foreign policy and say, you know what? the president -- no president, this president or the previous president, has the power to talk our country to war -- to take our country to war with saudi arabia and yemen without permission of the senate. >> [inaudible] isn't it the white house that's preventing the cia director from briefing the full senate? >> the definition of the deep state is when intelligence communities have so much power that there's no oversight. i've been arguing for probably nearly a decade that with intelligence it's only given to a few people within our system. that's more like an oligarchy. only eight people -- has nothing to do with trump. not everything's about trump. there are eight people in congress who get briefings on intelligence. that is not democracy. that is not democratic representation, nor is it democratic oversight. i think the information needs to

be shared widely with those who are elected. why should someone elected in california get the information and someone in kentucky not get the information? it doesn't make any sense. >> what did leaders tell you as to the reason why you aren't getting briefed? the full senate was briefed last week. >> well, no, i came to the full senate briefing, but there was no briefing from the cia. and what i'm concerned about are the public statements from members of the administration who say there is no direct evidence. well, to me, it sounds fairly direct if there was communication going on between the killers in istanbul and the crown prince's office in saudi arabia. here's the thing the media has missed, here's the question you need to ask pompeo and mattis. they keep saying there's no direct evidence. ask them, do they disagree with the cia's conclusions? the they're answering a question they want to answer, they're not answering the real question. if the cia has looked at all of this information and says with a high degree of probability that we think the crown prince was involved, does secretary mattis and secretary pompeo disagree with the conclusions?

that's not what they're seeing. >> have you asked them? >> i can't go anything i've asked them in a classified hearing. but i'm saying, i would, if i were in the media, ask them. if they're honest, they'll tell you they don't disagree with the conclusions, that the compilation of all the facts are, yes, he was involved. no direct evidence, no smoking gun, you know, i think that's open to argument. i really think that there's direct communication, the media's reported that the crown prince's brother directly communicated with khashoggi. and then the media's also reporting that there's communications in istanbul going to the crown prince's office at the time of the killing. i would want to know more about that to help me make a conclusion. but the definition of the deep state is rank and file people are excluded from oversight. i can have no oversight, and the deep state simply means that intelligence community has too much power. too much power that's independent of representative oversight. it has nothing to do with which president there is.

i'd say the same whether it was a democrat president or a republican. [inaudible conversations] >> specific information here might be that the secretary of state and secretary of defense can come and speak broadly about it, sure, that's not problem. but to get into the specifics is a whole different scenario. >> right. i think there are reasons why you wouldn't want to get into the specifics of, you know, who listens to who on the phone. the only reason i'm saying it is not because i heard -- i haven't been in the intelligence briefing to hear that. i read it in the newspaper. now, you can argue why that shouldn't be presented, because it reveals our abilities to eavesdrop. but i would say that now the information is out there, i think the conclusion shouldn't be classified. so, for example, the newspapers have written that the cia has concluded with high probability that the crown prince was involved. that doesn't sound to me like something classified. how you come about it, all the details, you can see how some of that has to be classified. but the conclusion -- see, not only is it classified, it's being prevented, you know, rank and file members are being

prevented from even hearing it. >> if i could follow up, how does not having that information make it harder to make policy provisions like the yemen resolution that you guys are looking at now? >> right. i think it's highly important that the leader of a foreign country killed and dismembered a person in the consulate. i mean, people have said, oh, people kill people all the time. tell me another time in which someone was killed and dismembered in a consulate where you're supposed to have international protection? it's extraordinary what happened, but it's on the heels of bad behave by saudi arabia. it's on the heels of an unjust war killing civilians in yemen. it's on the heels of irrational behavior blockading qatar. it's also on the heels of saudi arabia having nearly a thousand people in prison who have had no trial that have been in prison for over a year. saudi arabia has a young man who was 17 when he was picked up at a rally. he is on death row and set to be executed and crucified. so there's a game being plaid. oh, we're going to let women

drive, but we're still going to execute and crucify people. >> [inaudible] >> i was not notified of the hearing. in fact, i just passed a democrat senator on the way over here and asked him about it, he had not heard of it. so we're reading about this in the media. i can't even ask to be included in it, because i didn't know it was going to happen except for reading about it in the media. she should have come and testified before all senators, and if you have some senators that are more equal than others, that is not democratic representation. every senator is equal and has -- should have equal access to the intelligence. >> thanks, guys. thank you. [inaudible conversations] >> and we're live now at the capitol rotunda where former president george h.w. bush has been lying in state for the past 24 plus hours here in the rotunda. hundreds and hundreds of people have filed by today including former senator bob dole, former

world war ii vet as well. sports figures like peyton manning and golfer phil mickelson and members of the bush family to name just a few and all sorts of americans here in the u.s. capitol where the former president will lie in state through tomorrow morning. funeral plans expected to get underway tomorrow morning about 11 a.m. eastern. former president george w. bush and his wife laura reportedly on their way up to the capitol now, and our coverage continues live over on c-span. [background sounds]

>> and, again, our continuous coverage is over on our companion network, c-span. the state funeral is happening tomorrow at 11 a.m. eastern at washington's national cathedral. the president will then depart for houston from joint base andrews later on wednesday. on thursday a funeral service set at st. planet's episcopal church in houston with a burial that afternoon at the george bush presidential library and museum in college station, texas. earlier today one of the president's sons, former