tv Discussion on Army Operations Priorities CSPAN February 20, 2020 4:31pm-5:09pm EST
industrial age systems. we recognizes tells us what we are doing. host: -there, let's step through the modernization priorities target about each of them. long-range mission buyers. we talked about that a little bit. but i want to dive a little bit deeper and how has your thinking about the development of the capabilities changed. both in ins, and how does it contribute to kind joint fire problem specifically in motion. >> the chief is probably better to talk about the dynamics. we moved ahead for the four-way print production. excited about this.
some 39 kilometers in yuma was hit with precision. were excited about this. to be able to double tactical artillery that quickly. there's a lot of margin for growth or. precision strike missile. and just november. every place, with twice the volume now were in the post world, you'll be able to go up words into 600 kilometers. break sending the range of these long range decision our weapons. ill give greater ability to maneuver against potential adversaries in the future. the hypersonic severs, it's been outstanding. against this effort, were fighting economies to the scale with the sharing information where joining the test regime.
his collapse the spent time. the army will be the first to feel this capability in early 23. physical. so long way precision, north of $10 billion across, and we put a lot of funding against that. but a lot of talent. we have some really talented folks in the industry has really stepped up to the plate and their swinging hard. we are excited about that. >> what we take a look at this, the task force. the multi- domain taskforces. we don't know exactly what it will look like will be no but it will be able to do. it will have long-range precision effects, solely be built out around an organizati organization, i to cues. intelligence, do information operations, it will do cyber,
electronic warfare, space, then it also has the capability to do long-range precision fires. hypersonic batteries or prison batteries that can sink ships. we will determine based on the issue requirements. host: next on the list is next generation combat vehicles. on talk about what you have learned from that experience. >> 's leadership there was tremendous. >> i think this is, people often say want to fail early. i think we learned early. here's my point. this is for a lot of the industry they were working very closely with. were going to do things differently in the army. many of you are familiar with our industrial age of the way we process it, the way we develop large requirement documents over 57 years. with pass them over to our
acquisition professionals and over the next five to seven years, we develop a system and maybe 15 to 20 years, we come out the other end after spilling spinning billions of dollars. maybe we'll have a 100 and maybe not. we are changing up process. it's a very shortly, the list of characteristics coming out. we are actually moving away from the requirements visa means means so much to those in the business and actually constrains innovations. so we coming out with a list of characteristics that we want for these fighting vehicles. going to be asking the industry to come in with the design. probably five other transactions. were also going to ask industry to come in technology those think would fit in this design and we would incentivize that. and then once we get that back we will take a look at the characteristics and say, we need to find these a little better. refine them. so they will be a little sharper
and then go into a detailed design. and without some from that and then we will go to a prototype design. it will actually make sure that we can build it and out of the prototype, not till we build the prototype will we get the requirements. we believe is then we will know exactly what we need and we will be able to proceed in a much quicker manner without spending a lot of money or without requiring industry to go after requirements that we didn't think we needed for that were uncontained attainable pretty. host: i think a really interesting lessons learned here, but particularly as what you have described as a prophet that has a lot more ability to iterate the industry in this happened to the engineering talent that existed in the army. terrifying those lessons across the board to some of these other programs as well. >> sbr. this morning. we are learning as we go through this because we have operators, acquisitions and professionals,
industry and many of these people have been doing this a certain way for a long time so they will have to change the way they are doing the business. and changes can be very hard if you been doing this for a long time and they been working. i'm more interested in the outcomes than the process. >> this system is has a very similar acquisition. sorry, it's where our soldier portfolio audio, it's basically beginning industry, makes these goggles that you can play call of duty or something and the visual reality, you see kids playing video games. my that commercial product and interface it. in the interest now we can control the applications we put in the goggles. dayside, night sight, we can put
maps in there. we can put in the common operating picture so that the staff going through the door, you can see that. that is the ambition behind this. but what is interesting about this, is what we learned in the process because we use the ota transaction authority that was granted to us, our service committee with the speed of business. allows you to get into a contract quickly, provide prototypes and unleash the engineering talent of these great companies and then we go through the problems together. you have companies like microsoft involved with this who have historically helped us with chemo. never having less with night vision. even more so not just nightvision but other things. but the point is making is the speed of business. rocketing china for months and years with something on
contract. were excited about it and put them in position where they can invest in the business instead of investing in contract experts. so they can spend years back-and-forth moving paper. >> this thing about transformational change. i use the phone for example. then all of a sudden we have the iphone and then maps and pictures and everything else. we did the same thing with night vision goggles. we want to put and there than we are going down and improving on nightvision capabilities. thermo in a nightvision capability altogether and also this aside, the only method of doing business, now it is just not a night sight, is holy way of doing business. like gamers. and really came out of gamers.
that's where you're looking for with the innovation. we don't even know everything that we can do. if you stop to think about it. now you can see this, eight you can be in a vehicle you can be under armor, and go through the walls, which is a whole bunch of things that will fundamentally change the way our combat soldiers to business. the types of things we are looking for. we are trying not to restrain industry with the very first elective requirements. we don't know exactly what we want. that's what want to throw it out there. that's exactly what happened here. >> will the person who went through it, we had to convince the secretary, tissue in the courtyard at the pentagon because we couldn't get him to go so we might look at a couple of months early and we are looking at the synthetic training scenario, and there were dragons and spaceships.
our thinking about going to get fired. [laughter]. my heart stopped. when we done. she realized the speed of that industry within three months, they show up as a near peer. you think you're in the city. it was within a matter of us how fast they could move the software. obviously work out for us. but at the time, we thought it would move real slow. it was remarkable. >> they built the site of camp pendleton inside of simulations. so general matus, he got a chance to go through that. with the repair, was that way to do business. host: is the upgrade from the dragons. >> is not going to impress in general.
host: want to talk a little bit about the network. the air force, with the big talking point with them, big investment on behalf of the joint force. in the capabilities the most of us agree that will be critical to what we would say the new american way of war. how is the army's investments, fit together. it's essentially joy thing. >> for small all the joint chiefs support a joint command control. so with that have that. as we take a look, each service has been approaching this problem, from a different perspective. when you're on the ground, and hundreds of thousands uses that are on the edge the need access.
it is all about data. it is about how we transport the data, how we start of the data, how we secure the data, we all have to understand this. we'll talk about machine learning and artificial intelligence away from this around. but we need deal with the data problem. what we are doing is women integrated command system which is really tying her senses to shooters. integrated capital networking bringing the communications that our soldiers need to the edge. the secretaries but all of the cloud, and data center news stations. we are bringing that altogether. we are working very closely with the air force. we hope to have an agreement around the april timeframe. who want to be able to compete mccain brings altogether. and in reality, not on popcorn with lightning bolts.
host: let's talk a little bit about the defenses. for those kind of chronically high demand assets. i wonder if you could bring us up-to-date on where you are in a piece of the puzzle in terms of both capacity and capability. >> we are very proud of her defenders. all of the world right now. in the middle east, you're in europe, and korea and they do an incredible job. the future for air missile defense is the way we see it is sensitive to the shooters. it's not just one sensor for one missile system, as multiple sensors that are integrated and you can pick the arrow so to
speak from the quiver that you want to use. high-energy lasers, microwaves, warfare, missiles, guns, you don't want to do is tickling some of the problems that we see in the future. they range from swarms. if come up with solutions to that. on the far side you have hypersonic missiles that you have to do with. he comes down to a layered type of defense that makes the right weapon system at the right range and protects down forces that will be needed to. >> without, will have the ability to cue the speeds in the it will be irrelevant in the
future. shreveport at the risk of talking about a sensitive topic, are we still can make a determination about the space force. >> with every merger, their challenges. i think we're in the process of helping expand that organization. we clearly have a role but we still have watercraft. we still have helicopters. even though we have an immune air force, the army so the first obviously. [laughter]. so i think that over time, if you ask us to go the space force, we work very hard to help them with that. we relationships with the nro and nga were they are working with our intelligence folks as well in helping us look at how weak you satellites at lower
echelons. we'll be doing that is earliest the spring. the chief talks about when we get to this multi- domain organization, a lot of it is the behaviors. now bringing that international on with the brain and leaders looking out how to do that. the partnerships have been wonderful. things will change over the next couple of years. host: how is the army talking about autonomy. if in the future, for soldiers the door is few men, who done something wrong. wanted deal bit about how are you thinking about autonomy and systems as you develop new concepts and particularly in this multi- domain environment. >> on the idea of a personal
loop. but i agree with bob on that. in any placed is a very dirty dangerous job. you can put a robot something in thomas, they'll be great, we should not be doing this with soldiers. unmanned type of systems. but what's interesting is i still think there is a need for soldiers or person in the loop because, you cannot feel through well is a completely autonomous than you don't get a sense of what is going on. on the thing is even though the revolving remote operations is doing this by video teleconferences, this would be a very different session here.
you can't look around, you look around the room and get a sense of how you come across. it is still a situation one have that capability. the fact that you can see to project yourself into a vehicle, you can be annoying vehicle but not physically be there. i do that in the apache helicopters right now. the system is actually in front of you is flying the aircraft. so why can't you move that to the lead vehicle and conceived behind it. there are of things we can do is look in this of different types of technologies. it will change the way we do business. we start thinking about how to do the same things differently. you can be in the third vehicle.
but for all intensive purposes, you actually think you are there. >> the same could be true in the helicopter. >> absolutely. i look at optionally manned minimally. because of those things, yet 35 ranges, into this attack. if they look at the front of the helicopter and there's no one there. the stuff. but that doesn't mean, we're competing for violence. some of you don't have 34 crewmembers of there. there's just one. maybe they are there just more if something is going wrong. >> drivers this buses, and there. maybe an aircraft that your find them very difficult mission we have to get in the place. maybe take something out of it.
you mean shootout, just losing cargo there is a lot going to keep options open with commanders can you do this. and if they show you that they can do it, and creating a system, so just a matter of we can do this with software, this would you want. want back to you in the wrap up here. host: to talk about all of these things we just discussed. on hand point that you made the top full more directly because for those of us who have not spent a lot of time in this program. i think the army has done a great job for moving resources to the prototypes. sometime the prototypes have to enter production in order to get to the soldier in the field.
and that is with a big dollars happen. so can you talk a little bit about what the evolution is going to look like when it's going to happen and how you will handle it. >> everybody performs. to highlight the challenges it will be prioritization. monthly the chief the senior commanders in there and we will have to make some very hard choices of the weapon systems we need to scale. and then it may require even tiered, with units that would receive them. so it is something that we've a deep discussion about for comparing the institutions which will really hit within the next 24 months and to your point, they will start scaling across the 8701st, it will be expensive and very challenging for the fiscal environment but that's where legacy systems,
there will be no rustico. 60 percent of the combatant managers, how do you have people deployed in this current demand, over half of our balance sheet is the finance. what's going on in the world and we can't pull back because the world needs america's leadership. any the u.s. army work. so we recognize that that is in front of us. and we will make this hard choices for these prototypes to perform. host: on that cheerful note, i will turn it over to the audience for questions. and if i could ask of you could just wait for the microphone to get you in the notice know who you are and where you're from. we have microphones) appear, second row. >> i'm at the atlantic council, thank you for really interesting
briefing. my question is if you are in beijing or moscow. and leaders of your army, how would you be looking at what america is doing end of testing the weaknesses. how would you respond to what you both just described in very interesting terms. >> the way i hoped they would respond is the idea that the competitions, is not great conflict and we compete, for the security of various regions and in a non- genetic way. what i would like to do is take the idea that were going to have a conflict. mccullough in lessor amped at competition. it just going to happen by the nature of great powers. going to have people competing for resources. that's going to happen.
was really important as we take that off of the table. we look at this systems resulting, if you look at what some have done, his teeth is an phenotype of capabilities. some of the systems will allow us to certainly do with that and give us some options. they will have to respond in some way what we are doing to overcome. we look at his options and they're probably looking at it as we are operating in all five domains and they will have to do the same. >> for some pretty good ideas of what russia is doing. china has been looking at disrupting our systems. we would argue that our systems have been corrected. i think russia and china will be
far more aggressive. how do we ensure that we are one step ahead. it. >> what we've done and want to get too far into it but the simulation experimentation, that is why we are shifting to a multi- domain operation. that's why we are shifting to modernization. were going to simulate an experiment and that is how we could see his eyes that we need to deal with some of these big problems is that we have. that's why were going to transform and be transformational right now. in the fact that the russia place your hand very well read considering how weak their supply chain is. the challenges they face every time we conduct these defender series exercises, expense tremendous resource and energy when they try to do their exercises in parallel. so they played their hand very well. they made sound investments with
access capabilities that you mentioned. mimic investments to strengthen our networks and try to be on the defensive nature. but the cyberspace is almost a did not make environment. as much about the authorities that were granted and how we compete in that space. as opposed to playing defense and taking punches. i will just leave it at that. from the chinese standpoint, is designed to commoditize the quality of life for over a million people. and without it, they will be hard-pressed. they're having a hard enough time to respond to a fuel flu virus. to you're learning a lot about that government's ability to respond right now. a lot of it will come down to economics. for the country china. >> as you know, the chinese are undergoing a very serious transformation right now.
basically mass industrial size army, certainly going to see what we will do in the process of transforming their army and we will see how they operated of the last 20 to 30 years will see how they continue to operate in the future. host: next to . >> john harper with national defense magazine. can you give us an update on your plans for a neighbor replacement. a kind of capabilities you are looking for there. and when we might see a lot of these dollars going into that. and when would you actually go to plan or field that type of system to troops in the field. >> humans are still the heavyweight champ's in that is class and we are focusing right now in the armored vehicle fleets and we are looking up honey continue to have a capability necessary going
forward. that is back in the queue. we will continue to upgrade that. we will bring in another brigade set here in this fiscal year budget over a billion dollars invested against the abram again this year. right now are just going to continue to upgrade the current. >> a little more that too is that the thought process, as you know, we are replacing the bradley. but were also part of the next generation combat vehicle. we are developing three prototypes for a lightweight and immediate way and heavyweight robotic combat vehicle. sometimes safe if we experiment with them when the soldiers, that will give us some insights on what it looks like in the future. then we will be at a much better place to decide where we go with the abrams and how that will all play out.
but it's going to give us much more capability and much more efficiency so that's part of the things we are doing. there's also research and looking at new ways yeah new ways and begin as we take a look at some of these vehicles that are going to be developed in the next-generation combat vehicle, we haven't prescribed what will try that but the idea of how we reduce logistics is one of the characteristics of that. when you look at what we do to maintain the supply lines so there 5000-gallon tanks of going along the road so anything we can reduce fuel can really help in the same with parts. if we can make parts for military manufacturing because we do want to reduce the amount of logistics we have to support our systems.
>> he think we have time for two more. here in the i/o. >> thanks. patrick tucker from defense wanted on the long-range fires as you end the process of windowing down to 23 solutions that are going to be the most useful to you are you talking reticulated partners in asia and are you finding among them a willingness or an eagerness to house potential long-range fires that range to china and how would that influence your decision about what to pursue next? is there an enthusiasm for that type of capability? >> we have had specific conversations about what capabilities per se and country x or y in the region in the last 45 days. it's amazing how energetic they are for us to have established more robust expeditionary base to increase the size and scale
of our exercises more foreign military sales so it's a tremendous energy not to haves pacific discussions about that to date but nothing but excitement and the thing i most, what makes the conversation easy for me is over 70% are army chiefs again highlighting how portnow army is for that part of the world. makes the conversation much easier. a tremendous energy a lot of conversations underway but what do you see from year-to-year crossed the pacific pathways is we have gone from three months and we are going to six-month appointment and we are going to more countries with consistency. thailand bought 60 strikers in maybaum to buy another 100 now so the trends are all going in the right direction. a lot is going to happen in the next couple of years. >> last question right here in the i/o.
>> barbara huffman from samsung. you talk about cyber trading security speed infrastructure. where does 5g fit into that infrastructure having been a dod for 34 years and ran the joint service provider i know the capacity of the limitations to a lot of our infrastructure. how are you going to process -- process that information a dad secure it? >> this is one of the biggest challenges are facing right now the department and the writers we are doing business with will be one that we can trust. there's a lot of energy related to that end we are trying to put solutions forward. that i'm not in a position to discuss the liberty at where we are heading at this point but we are working with 5g right now. >> everyone please join me in thanking the secretary for his time today.
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