good afternoon, everybody. i'm happy to welcome our audience members and our special guest speakers to the common good. we have an extremely fascinating guest today and one of our very favorite political analyst to operate as our moderator. so we will get right to the conversation. got a very unusual phenomenon in the 2020 presidential campaign this year. hugely influential slice of the republican party, including longtime conservatives and moderates, have broken with reelecting the leader of their of thety, the president united states, donald trump. this is part of the broader never trumped rebellion that began four years ago with the largely sidelined cadre of appalled republicans, but which has transformed in recent weeks into a potentially disruptive

force in this year's presidential race. groups such as the lincoln project and republican voters against trump are using guerrilla tactics and clever ads and then they already be making a big difference this year. we are thrilled to have one of those leaders of these efforts, who has decades of experience as an active voice in republican politics, originally as the vice president and communications director and later with her own successful communications firm. more recently, sarah has served on the board of all cabin republicans, but became a never trump her in 2016. she is now the executive director of republican voters against trump as well as republicans for the rule of law. she has also headed up defending democracy together, which advocated for trump's impeachment. to help us out, we are really honored, i'm so happy to have you, a very good friend, political analyst, susan to host

and moderate this conversation. susan is a new york-based republican strategist who has advised dozens of candidates in new york and elsewhere, including rudy giuliani for whom she served as deputy commissioner, and also an advisor to governor andrew cuomo. of course many of you will be familiar with her from her many appearances on msnbc. we thank you both so much for being with the common good today, now i pass the baton to susan to lead our conversation. thank you, susan. susan: thank you so much, patricia. and sarah, thank you for all you do in fighting the good fight for and support republicans. i get to say that because i am a moderate. byently there was a story susan glaser. on thing that stood out was, she , and you stande

up and like, let's stop talking, let's do something. so you did. the tell us where you are in this process. sound morekes it cinematic than it was. as i recall, is actually ill crystal who was talking and i started interrupting him, like why don't we do something besides just sitting in these sads with a bunch of republicans, and figure out how to fight back. i will admit to some naivety early on. i really thought that republicans -- the republican party writ large, susan collins, lisa murkowski, the lindsey graham's, that they were going to be real guardrails and that it was going to be a tough four years, but i thought we were -- weto find a way to were -- larry hogan was open about the fact that he

considered it. but none of it came to fruition. 2020, one going into thing i did early on was say, everyone is asking, what happened to the republican party? what is going on? my background in communications led me to believe that we can find out. what i call reluctant truck voters, people who had voted for doing trump agree he's very bad job. ultimately what would persuade them to stop supporting donald trump. which brings us to this moment where, the thing that i found, after doing three years of these focus groups is, the thing that people found most persuasive was not these abstracts are policy scandals, it's not the ads they're using and things like that. it's real republicans just like them, expressing the anxiety that they all talk about having around donald trump.

not just that they think he should get off twitter, they think he is erratic. they think he is a problematic character. dates think he has good qualities, things i probably would not give him credit for having, but just in talking to for example, they would say i voted for him, but i felt like i needed to take a shower, or, i went home and cried. i'm like, ok, that is a person who can be persuaded to not vote for donald trump again in 2020. thought about how the personal stories really moved people. and i thought, how do you build a product -- people who voted for trump and 2016, talking about why they won't do it again in 2020. so we really built republican voters against trump with that research in mind. it was hard at first, and i'm sorry if i'm just going on about it. it took us probably three or four months to get the first

100, because people sort of didn't know what we were doing, people were nervous about going on camera and expressing how they felt. but once we got the first 100 and we launched, now they are just pouring in. we have almost 500 and we got like 30 today so far. they're just coming in in droves. i feel like there's a lot of republicans who haven't been doing what i've been doing the last three and a half years, which is constantly talking about why this is wrong, and they've been sort of struggling with it in their own communities, and now they want to get it off their chest. we're getting close to 500 of these testimonials and were about to spin $15 million in the swing states showing these real stories of soft trump supporters to see if we can knock off, even if it's just 3%. donald trump one, everybody three states by

77,000 votes. that's fewer people than are packed into an nfl game. if we can pull 1%, 3%, and frankly, i think we can do better than that, then we can give joe biden a landslide victory. and i think joe biden needs a landslide victory, because i think that's probably the only way to get republicans to sort of on the fact that this was a mistake, this whole thing was a mistake. i definitely want to get into the nuts and bolts of the campaign, but for those people doing the testimonials, and i know i've gotten this question asked a lot, people say you're not happy with the republican party, why not become a democrat? mean, i would become an independent before i would become a democrat. i'm not particularly tribal about politics. i have a set of things that i believe, and a lot of them just aligned more closely with what traditional republicans believe.

i believe that free markets are good and have lifted millions of people out of poverty. i think personal responsibility is a virtue that we should cultivate in our society, whatever. i think we should not allow runaway debts and deficits. i was here first. up after being -- spinning most of his life as a democrat, and suddenly saying i'm here to hijack the publican party. i can't believe people just decided to roll over and say we don't believe in free trade anymore? the experience has been really wild. it's like the invasion of the body snatchers. i'm not going to change that. that being said, any day i will

say taxfor people who cuts and judges as some kind of reason for donald trump, there are not enough in the world to allow for person who is actively subverting the foundations of democracy and the rule of law. those things take precedent. i believe in liberal democracy is more than i believe in marginal tax rates. i believe one is much more important than the other. it's not that i'm going to going become a democrat. i'm going to fight for the things i believe in, and at this moment, that means fighting donald trump. the nuts andinto bolts. when we look at issue can and there was a turnout problem for hillary clinton because she just so underperformed barack obama. when we look at wisconsin, sure, donald trump -- i'm sorry, michigan, donald trump did do better than romney.

what's interesting is, in wisconsin, donald trump received 2000 year votes than romney. romney.fewer votes than it really was the democrat candidate that kind of blew it there. the pennsylvania, and that is your stomping grounds, is a whole different category. because hillary clinton basically came just shy of obama intes of barack 2012. so it really was trump finding these voters, we call them the forgotten voters. of 240,000 more votes than mitt romney. that is huge. i think people mistake the difference between michigan and wisconsin versus pennsylvania, and i think it is that pennsylvania stock that trump is trying to duplicate, not just in

pennsylvania, but in other places. >> you're absolutely right. this is how donald trump pulled a rabbit out of a hat in 2016. he found voters that weren't really -- didn't vote otherwise. is something that comes up in focus groups all the time. it's such a blind spot for politicos, which i have people sell the time, why did you vote for donald trump? well, he's a great businessman. i watch them for eight years on the apprentice. i always forget that he lived in people's living rooms for eight years as this carefully curated, confident businessman and fired gilbert gottfried or whatever. he became this vision for people of like what a decisive businessman is, and those people who maybe weren't formally involved in politics but were fans of his came out of the woodwork and voted for him.

the reason i'm skeptical that he can duplicate that strategy is that, number one, we've seen that playbook. democrats are not leaving anything on the table in terms of turnout this time. the differentof word, i'm going to say cocky, and overconfident. they were way too overconfident in 20, thinking that hillary clinton had it in the bag. i constantly am thinking right trips to wisconsin. they were spending money in arizona, which i would agree with right now, but i wish they had spent at arizona money in michigan. there are just things that were totally aft on the table. number one, the democrats will not make that mistake again. and then number two, there were a lot of people, independence broke heavily for donald trump. think thearound i

independents are going to break against donald trump in the polling shows that. donald trump has to run on a record now to be he can't just run around saying i'm going to build a wall with mexico and they are going to pay for it. has personal consequences for people's lives. their lives are not better than they were four years ago. we are all living in our basement -- not living in them, but working in them. the personal consequences to their lives now, if you ask the reagan question, are you better off today than you were four years ago? the answer for most people is no. i don't think he's going to be able to generate the enthusiasm this time around for people to shake things up. i think people are more likely to say i would like somebody who knows what they are doing because things are really problematic right now. i would think that suburban women, especially, are your

prime targets. especially where we are today, because nothing took down donald trump yet. charlotte didn't do it, mueller didn't do it, impeachment didn't do it. somehow i think that suburban women, trying to figure out if they should send their children to school, and listening to donald trump is a tough choice. we saw some of this in 2018, but what are your thoughts on 2020? >> just on that 2018 point, which is a really good one, i completely agree. i think the story is women. not quite that, because also it's coupled with, if there is high african-american turnout, coupled with the total crating thedefection of women to republican party, i can't think of a stupider mistake that may. the suburbs absolutely means

women. one of the things i think is such an interesting data point on 2018, you look at someone who's in a place where donald trump won by seven points in 2016. so in 2018, she wins by four points, which means that she had to have picked up people who voted for donald trump. now she is in a very vulnerable seat here in 2020, and i don't know whether she will hold onto it or not, but i do think it shows just how many people, and i will tell you, i do all these focus groups, you focus on women and you say you are only looking is filled with women who voted for him and 2016 by 2018 there were so disgusted and so horrified be -- i him, they couldn't wait to go vote for the democrat in between 18. i saw that shift happen more or less in real time.

the gender gap turned into a gender chasm's 2020 has approached. women,t college-educated but working-class women. he has an 11 point line so far with noncollege white women. each can't haul those women in those more rural areas -- if he can't hold those women in those , it'sural areas, and also such a simple challenge to them. in the middle of a pandemic, health crisis, economic and racial crisis, do you think there's another 100,000 people who are like, i love what i'm seeing and i want to go out and vote for this guy again? so we know that those suburban women, especially, are gettable, as you call them. but can they be turned away by what would be perceived as being

a too liberal vp choice by joe biden? >> that's a really good question. here's what i think. i think there was a reason donald trump really wanted to run against bernie sanders. that's the only way he was going to hold on to the suburbs. i actually think if he did run against bernie sanders, i don't know in this particular environment how things would change, but in the suburbs, he would have been able to hold onto a lot more suburban voters. i think this is a tricky one for joe biden. normally i would say a vice presidential picked doesn't matter that much, but, of course, with his advanced age, i think it means considerably more than normal. and also, i think there's a lot of people who are looking for the vice presidential picked as a signal for which way the party is going to go. the democratic party is having a similar struggle to the publican party.

they have to hold off their more populist far flank. if joe biden pick somebody who is perceived to be extremely liberal, i think it gives the republicans something to feed off him about. i think there's some room for attrition with some of those suburban voters. that being said, when i'm talking to people and focus groups, if you want some of the videos, the testimonials, people say i would vote for a tomato can or a tuna fish sandwich. there's a lot of animate objects people say that would vote for. so there is at least some percentage that i don't think is insignificant that are completely out, they would be happy to vote for joe biden and whoever he picks as vice president, but i don't think it is meaningless. i think it does have meaning who he chooses. choiceollow up on the vp and how he should be running his

campaign, we saw some polling , there is this talk hopemaybe he should just to run the board. i happen to think that his best strategy is to get to 270. do you think there is a danger of him following too much in the hillary clinton playbook, looking to expand for 300 plus which, if hes 270, goes for that bigger number, he could really start hurting those there were 2% of the people we talk to. jonathan martin in the new york times and democratic operatives

pushing to get involved in texas, i wrote a piece saying do not do that. texas is 30 million people, joe biden out raising donald from the last two month, way behind in the cash on hand, has a little more than what trump has, the democrats think they can press advantage and go for political realignment is too far. that is north carolina, if you are going to invest in a massive state go to florida where fox news polling has him down by 9 points and he is dying with seeing years. that is a play. there is a risk where democrats don't have the same resources because they went through a tough primary at the same time.

i will tell you one thing. i would accept texas, $300 million in the couch cushion is a different story but at a fund-raising disadvantage, got to play to win and wisconsin and michigan, if you want to stretch play, two senate races, they can't do the same thing, should be something we factor in.

tell people run like you are 10 points behind and you would be putting your money, to get to 270. it is a difference with republicans, i got a lot of grief from democrats when i said don't go to texas. who wants to listen to this republican, why we shouldn't press the advantage. trump is a nexus essential threat to democracy, i will take no risk, no room for gambling. get to 270. >> all he has to do is pick up florida. if he just focused on florida that gets him over 270. you mentioned georgia where there are competitive senate races. how do you balance the need to

destroy trump and really knock him down versus the need to hold onto a senate majority republican majority? is it worth leaving the senate majority? if donald trump goes down does the senate go down with him and is it worth it? >> good question and a tough one. i have a soft spot for susan collins who led the fight to repeal don't ask don't tell. the moderate republicans, all get run out by donald trump. we made a decision not to do senate races. we are focused on donald trump. there is absolutely value in the republican party learning a lesson what they have done to

donald trump. the key is for joe biden to run up historic margins and i think i may be fond of susan collins but not martha makes sally. some of those -- of joe biden wins by enough i don't think it is bad for the republican party to learn the lesson you nominate a guy like donald trump he decimates the party. that is what you get for it so i am of two mind and decide we wanted people to participate in our program who were not necessarily going to vote for democrats. i am pro-life, never vote for a democrat for but i won't vote for donald trump. we want our tent to be big enough to accommodate those people so you can't put together that kind of coalition if you are also doing the

senate. we want people who will vote for tom tillis that won't vote for donald trump. we want those people too. there is a strategic answer and an emotional answer. >> host: we talk about the future of the republican party. assuming donald trump loses in november i have faith in our nation coming back stronger and better. i don't know if we can say the same about the republican party. we knew what to do in 2012, we laid it all out. there was an autopsy. it said we needed to build coalitions, not narrow our focus. the party picked the wrong person for a host of reasons, donald trump never cared about the republican party so what happens the day after election day assuming donald trump loses? does our party have the future we once thought it had? >> wish i had better news for you on this front.

i think there is a it depends answer and some of it is the margin of donald trump's loss will matter because politics being what it is people want to have power and republicans will want to be in charge, they will recognize they can't build a winning coalition on white working-class men it be a regional party so i think there is opportunity to have a fight for the soul of the party. the problem with donald trump is he's just not going anywhere. unless he is in jail which i think is not off the table entirely but if he's not in jail what is he doing? he never cared about beating democrats, he cares about owning the republican party, he wants to be the kingmaker in the party. jeff sessions, he runs out of sessions yesterday and i don't have a ton of love for jeff sessions but donald trump is running him out because he did the honorable thing and recused

himself in the situation of the special counsel investigation, donald trump wants that role. >> didn't even pick the better candidate against john jones in that case. >> sessions because he would have been more likely to beat doug jones. >> donald trump doesn't care about the party or the party winning, he cares about his own power and influence so the idea george w. bush goes to live in texas and doesn't stick his head out, that is not what donald trump is going to do. he will never stop talking, never stop tweeting, he will probably have his own television network, probably have shows for ivanka and jared and probably have someone like tucker carol some for the future and if that is the future of the republican party and donald trump is in that role than the party is pretty doomed but i'm not as optimistic. the reason for the landslide

victory needs to be the party says to him this guy doesn't get to have a role and try to shut him down. the world being what it is that is a tough thing to do. what do you think nikki haley is doing? distancing herself from trump, or is she -- >> i'm trying to figure out she will be at the convention. that is the million-dollar question for me but we have covered so much and thank you. there are a lot of questions coming up so i think i will throw it back to patricia who will manage the you and a. is that right? >> i am needing her. >> okay. >> that was amazing, really fascinating no matter what party you are part of. i wonder if rick stallman wants to ask his question.

>> just unmute your self. you said earlier something interesting about the fact that trump needs to be destroyed in a landslide, may not leave office peaceably and you need to pry him out with a crowbar. a lot of people including constitutional lawyers believe he will not leave peacefully. >> something that i think about a lot. a worst-case scenario, donald trump winning. the next worst-case scenario is losing very narrowly. it will look different from other elections because we will continue to be in the pandemic

likely and there will be more vote by mail and absentee ballots so election night will not be a traditional election night because if you look at the primaries that happened you don't find out the results for a week. my biggest concern is it is a narrow victory for joe biden and then all these ballots, he already laid the groundwork, talking about the fact the election was rigged and people were ballot harvesting sewing distrust in the outcome and there is one instance of an irregularity and use the levers of the federal government to do i don't know what, tell people who knows and i have less fear about him losing decisively and him not going, that is not

something - i am worried about being clear-cut who won and a confusing election because it looks different and for people to be in the streets over it. >> >> are you trying to ask a question. a question from stan cohen. >> my belief, for those who know me, i am a lifelong republican, my question or my scenario, the only way trump can win is by a vladimir putin maneuver or a miracle happening

in the pandemic, biden comes in and can't do anything because the senate is republican so nothing gets accomplished and it becomes a democratic failure. do you see that? to move the country forward in a way that restores us, that the democrats are better in holding the two branches of congress together and the presidency? >> i am not sure. it depends which republican senators are still in their. it depends on what he tries to do. trying to pass the green new deal it will be frustrated by having a majority but it would be a narrow senate majority. then you have got depending on who is there, lisa murkowski,

mitt romney and other folks that are looking to find corrective action, something i think will happen early on, there is going to be, like there was with, not goldwater, after nixon but rule of law reforms, you can't put your kids in the white house, you can't just install them in the white house, one of their spouses running the executive branch, anticorruption legislation, you get a lot of republicans who support that and a lot of republican support for a variety of things, but as a conservative one of the things i like is for people to negotiate for incremental change, this goes back to

susan's question, i want donald trump to be thoroughly repudiated and that means him losing the senate as well. at the same time the problem, totally unchecked democratic power, in a short time people don't start looking back to the republican party is the option to put the brakes on the democratic party and i would like the republican party to have a little more time in the wilderness to sort themselves out before they anoint tucker carlson to be the break on the crazy democratic agenda. the best case scenario is incredibly narrow and compromise being forced. >> i want to jump in, in new york for example, narrowly

controlled senate is a perfect foil for biden. he is more moderate. it allows him to say i couldn't go that far. and something that makes him more comfortable. there is that to consider. >> what is the possibility, finding a way to fight biden, doesn't seem to find a frame to hurt biden but is searching for the one. is there one that would make you most vulnerable? too liberal? >> i don't think biden is vulnerable to most of these

things. if he just ran as the most moderate in a big batch of democrats, to be painted is a liberal extremist, the biggest issue for biden is his vice presidential pick. i don't think trump -- they can try china but everything trump does and up looking like a projection. trump is weak on sign up. will we get into a debate about mental acuity? i don't know if you saw that rose garden speech but donald trump should not be in a fight with anybody over there mental acuity. if you go after the similarly argument, that will hurt with a lot of older voters. trump, they wanted to run an economy, they don't have it. they tried to run on culture wars, they are talking about monuments, most i thinking how do i send my kids to school safely and why isn't there a

plan? when you can't own a car or your house, double digit unemployment, there's not much, but donald trump's dream if i put myself in their shoes what i want to happen, they want elizabeth warren. they want somebody they can say that is the democratic party we told you to be scared of. i'm not confident it will work, the scenario changing everything but that is the best case scenario. the mistake would be going too far left with a candidate who is old enough that people think this person could be president. >> nancy collins, your next. >> i wonder if biden wants to win who would you choose?

>> you make me go on the record with a pick. my own personal bias is wrapped up in this. i would tell him to go with amy klobuchar and grab somebody. i have more of a list of a profile he should pick him. he knows what it takes to be a good vice president, somebody you could have a relationship with, carry out your agenda by not running for president but i think if you pick somebody far from him ideologically, that is a recipe for disaster. he would be most comfortable with amy klobuchar, maybe kamala harris, probably my second choice but you end up with somebody like her who is running for president the mom

and she becomes the vice president. susan rice has been talked out which is not a bad choice but gina ron mondo, gretchen witmer is a pretty interesting one, in the eyes of her constituents so she could be good. you know who he should choose? cory booker. i want there to be a female in the white house as much as anybody but cory booker is right for this moment and he would have made a stellar vp pick. biden have locked himself in, when amy klobuchar, a woman of color, not only did she do that, she took elizabeth warren out which shows how vicious amy klobuchar can be.

if you are really narrow, a woman of color who has experience at a pretty high level you are down to very few people. people get taken by the news cycle, keisha is interesting but she is a major we saw give one awesome speech on cnn during the protest. don't know if that means we should make her vice president. it is a pretty tough decision, one of the bigger ones facing it. >> someone's sound i think went out. >> were you saying something?

>> patricia is frozen. can someone take bernard schwartz? >> bernard, you can speak. once you are in muted, sir. you are muted. >> can you unmute him? okay. >> we can hear you. >> i'm a lifelong democrat, have always been democrat and always will be a democrat i hope, i think. i have to tell you i am very worried about this election for a lot of reasons. three months left to go.

i'm sure trump will come in with another package, maybe $1 trillion that will give him through the next three months to help the people who are unemployed and will have a good portion of their vote, okay. i'm concerned about the fact we democrats do not have a spokesperson. the only thing i get from mister biden who i love dearly is a package, this is what he said yesterday. i want to see him on tv showing what happens in this country going forward. i think trump will have good news about the epidemic, keep on trying to say come out with good news.

we are not geared up for a really good strike. we have a good fighter in there, he has to be advised and out in front. he is the person who has to be there with new ideas, the issues as the country, don't kid yourself. this is not going to be a blow away because some republicans will join us. it is going to be tough. >> that is the right attitude to have. the last thing anybody should do is get overconfident. after what happened in 2016 we should live with that and channel exactly what you said.

the thing about biden. i've been of two mind how he is handling himself. on the one hand this election will be a referendum on donald trump in many ways, joe biden strategically sticking his head out now and then to give a good speech and remind people he is the nominee seems to be working in the sense that donald trump is self immolating. when i do focus groups and talk to people who don't like donald trump they are really on the fence about voting for biden. the biggest thing they say is i don't know that much about him. what does he stand for. one of the things that is surprising to me is someone who has been in politics is pretty undefined with voters and at some point he has to do more to present a positive and affirmative visions give people a reason to vote for him, not just to vote against trump.

going back to the earlier question, what could joe biden do to mess things up. if he comes out demonstrating the isn't up to it for some reason, i don't mean just one bad debate but look at joe biden and think he lost his back a little bit but people are willing to accept that because donald trump isn't playing in the same court but he has to perform at some point and people need a reason to vote for him and not just against trump. >> we have time for one quick question. kathy wallach? >> i am ready. i will ask the one that john had asked. do you think there's any chance that trump will see as we get closer to the election that he is going to lose and that he

will resign? >> you know, i don't think so. i think that donald trump will squeeze every last ounce of juice out of everybody's attention being on him as possible, number one. that is his psychological profile. he pulled a rabbit out of the hat last time and he believes in his own potential magic so i think that he will stay and do that. for donald trump, he is better off as president for his own legal problems, there are a lot of pending cases against him. the supreme court had a couple things for them to look into further so he is much better to exert executive privilege.

you have to pry the presidency out of his hands with a landslide victory. maybe a deal gets made about pence pardoning him but of all the conspiracy theories of what crazy thing could happen the biggest one is trump swapping out vps for nikki haley at the convention. that is the one i am most but into being a real potentiality and it is because trump is a showman but and he doesn't like the scripts right now. it is bad for him and he needs to shake it up. joe biden will have a woman as his the p, donald trump needs to change the conversation and it is possible, i would watch nikki haley very closely, she was high on my list to primary donald trump and she had moved closer and closer for donald trump in a way that seems very strategic. i can't quite figure it out

because i don't believe that is who she is so anyway, i don't know that she would do it because she has a great shot at being the nominee in 2024 but if i was going to buy into here's the crazy thing that could happen that is what i would put my money on. >> before we go back to susan, what about tammy duckworth? >> oh yeah. i should have talked about her. i don't know tammy duckworth well like a lot of people that keep getting floated. i thought she handled the tucker carlson knock on her extremely well and even serrated him, walk a mile on my legs before you criticize my patriotism but also her answer, the first thing that got her in

trouble in the beginning was not taking a complete stand around people taking down the washington monument, and impressive person, to pick candidates like senators which is a republican thing to do. the fact that she is a war hero and what do people know about her. she is an interesting choice, high on the potential pick. i don't know. >> i really hate to end, so fascinating. >> i appreciate clara's answers, questions i had a

tough time struggling with, we have to keep focus on 270, for joe biden. hopefully as decisively as they can. after election day of it is that close -- let's beat donald trump, that is priority number one. >> that was fascinating. i wish you good luck with your work. you are just wonderful, hope we have you back soon again. you are always fantastic. i hope it is an opportunity to keep a sense of community when we are all in our basements. and engaging in our democracy

and making it better. please coming next week, we have tom rogers and his daughter jessica rogers talking about social media and the youth vote in the election, congressman eric's wall well, dennis neil on the house committee investigation and other things, retired colonel chris calendar with former homeland security secretary jay johnson, thank you, sarah, hopefully we will see you both again. thank you. >> he is a look at our live coverage wednesday. on c-span the house is back for general speeches followed by legislative businesses, members begin work on a 2021 spending

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