>> no,. no. >> i'm not planning to runnether way.o in 2024 i have an election in the state of missouri and i hope theyey will have me another 6 years in the senate. >> that's all the time we have left for our event today. thank you so much for joining us senator holly. >> thank you so much.

book tv continues right now on c-span 2. >> good afternoon everybody. good afternoon to our panel and audience. i'm paula and i host special events for social justice. i'm especially proud to be apart of today's important event. thank you for taking time-out for the middle of a busy workday and week. i think it's important that you participate and witness what i believe. activist of state of emergency and the important issue it

raises let's brick in our panelist starting with the local contributor tanisah holland. in addition to co-founder of san francisco black wall street she's the executive director of kaleidoscope -- californians for safety and justice. this extended for all survivors of violence as well as legislation permitting crime victims to terminate their leases if they no longer felt safe. also joining us in just a bit will be matt barns. he's a 14 season nba vet, includes earning a world champion with our beloved golden state warriors. he's a bay area native known as

the most out spoken and explosive athlete of his generation. he persists with the same type of mentality off the court in both business and entertainment. he's said to be one of the most powerful forces of sports media. we are happy to have them along. also joining us, words such as powerful and inspiring illustrate our next panelist. singer and actor and her multiplatinum single rise up received a best r and b performance at the 2016 grammy awards. since then, the phone has become an anthem or definite anthem for the black lives matter movement. more recently, she added golden globe winner to her accomplishments after her

dynamic acting day move petarying the legendary billy holiday. she has roots in california hailing from san diago. also joining us is anglo who is a movement lawyer, senior strategist, and policy guru. he serves as the lead organizer for the peoples march and the mills campaign which procured the nomination of meek mill. a federal prison garnered national attention for not providing incarcerated over are individuals. mallory, despite her youthful appearance the boundless energy

she's mature and strong woman with an undeniable defiant spirit. she has a lot of experience on the front line for activism. over 20 years of it. she's a trailblazing social justice leader and movement strategist and globally recognized civil rights activist. she's the co-founder of the historic women's march and until freedom. now, she's powered that into her newly released nonfictional book published by simon and schutster. i have a cnn host and political

commentator. he founded and lead many enterprises including the reform alliance, the baker center for human rights and dream corp. working to close prison doors while opening up opportunities in the tech industries. on that note, please take it away? >> well, it's an honor to be here and true that before i was an author i went to being independent bookstores and they struggled in the decade or so sense. they are important for independent political movements and i got my start in publishing from book passes. think of independent voices.

this is a big deal. tomika all of the tweets and ticks and tocks to cut through. show a way-out of no way and demonstrate for women and people of color african-americans we have somebody that can stand-in the breach. she's been doing it for a long time. something important happens when a leader pushes back away from some of the noise and goes into the quiet of her own heart pours

out on paper what she has carried on her shoulders think of the great leaders that did that think about the books dr. king powered out and michael x's autobiography. we have not had enough women leaders at the peak of their power made the chose tomika made and tell the truth about what's going on. that's what she has done with the book. i don't think you can understand what is happening in america without this book. you can't understand what's happening without tomika. that's why you have so many major leaders throughout the tour. we are not getting paid. we love the sister and we would like her voice to be heard and book to be taken seriously.

well, i'd like to bring on some of my other panelist and hear from them what is in their heart in regards to tamika. she spoke about the pain and emotional toll that this work takes. none of us were in the way she had. all of us tried to do our part. i'd like to start with you, andrew. you used your voice and talent and art to move people both on-screen, to move people through song, and so many different ways. what is it that is making you do this? why do you care about tamika?

how do you recharge and continue to deal with the headlines? >> that's a layered question. >> pick any one of them. >> you would pick me right out the gate. the reason i'm here is exactly what you said. i think, tamika offers a whole listic approach. not just racial justice but equality in general ethink, you know, speaking about the pain. lately i have heard a lot about the movie we just saw. no more pain, you know, i actually understand the generation that's saying that and were they arecosming from i

do think we need a holistic approach this is the scope of our contributions i think very relatable generation. you know whole list tick approach to not just the work but you. approach to not just the work understanding how huge it has. not just on us but the work we

are able to do. tapping into the fact being born with ptsdis in our dna. being aware of these things as we do the work and unless we actually talk about them and deal with them we won't be able to make the impact we would like to make u so, how do i recharge i'm a spiritual person and my relationship with god and people like tamika am i saying it correctly? >> yes. >> i think it's work. i'm really unqualified to be on

the panel. so, to me, it's work but also a way to recharge if connecting with the community and having moments to celebrate each other and greater conversation about what needs to be done. what needs to be done. you -- >> i wanted to add that as well, too. people oftentimes when they talk about black people we have to pay attention to the norm of the

microcommunities within the greater communities. yeah, she definitely does that. >> yeah, absolutely. tanish, i wanted to bring you in here because your work really covers much like tamika on both sides. you deal with equal protection. your work with criminal justice talks to us a little bit about your journey, your role, what your organize is doing and why the book is so important? >> well, fur, thank you so much for making space for my voice. i don't feel unqualified but super honored to be in this space with all of you.

around the issue of domestic violence and panel full of powerful black women across the state. director kimmel list said when i think about tamika's voice and how it pierced through the noise we are coming for what is owed to us. black people deserve protection and deserve safety and justice. that's our organize. the tenant of our organize for all people. for those who disproportionally impact us we make things better for everyone around us someone

greatly impacted by violence throughout when i life and having lost two bothers to gun violence people often wonder how can you be a survivor and be in the conversation around criminal justice reform. for black folks they see accountability as something we have the authority to define for ourselves. what i hear tamika's work. we will do this. when i hear her she's herself authentically and what's what the movement needs right now. they need all of us to show up authentically in our fullselfs. this is why the minute we talked, i was like what's up sis. that's the level of engagement we need to have and keep the movement growing.

so, you know, it's critical and important right now to model that for each other. not just speaking truth to power but speaking truth to realness and not losing our identity in the culture. so much of black pain is just becoming a genre. it's almost a genre, a celebrity genre. they put the cloak on black pain we must live in and live through every single day. i also recognize how much of that pain and resiliency drives our culture. it's who we are and makes us unique. it's why we are powerful and the work we are doing in california for safety and injustice for the work i do on black wall street is critical. the criminal justice reform movement is 100% a racial

justice movement. we are over represented in incarceration. we are over represented in victimization and under severed. we can't have one conversation without the other. when we talk about solutions and what we want, there is no way we'll be able to do that without infrastructure and resources which we have been left out of. so, i'm proud to be from san francisco. i'm proud to be from the city were we have black leadership committed to doing that at this moment. we have a plaque mayor and board of supervisors. we are all speaking the same language about what movement looks like for our people. this is not just a conversation unique to san francisco but one that other universal and have your voice. so many others here being

unified in that message and creating space for us to be us while doing it is everything to me. i'm honored to be here with you all. >> i'm honored to be here. tamika is one of the few reasons we believe in empowerment. she spoke about this in the book. mixing the decentralization with the centralized. that's so important and you represent that as well. look, anglo, i would like to ask you a couple of questions. you are a co-founder with tamika unfold freedom. you are not black, nan is the national organize. she was also associated with the

women's march. she's now associated with untold freedom and you are one of the co-founders of that. as mentioned earlier, y'all don't mess around. they were trying to freeze people to death in federal prison in the middle of winter with no heat. you brought the heat to get that dealt with. when meek mill spent years and years in prison for a probation violation of popping a wheelie and the underline charge was thrown out for the criminal act when he was a teen. popping a wheelie, you were part of bringing the heat on that. y'all do real work. i just want you to speak to the true heart of tamika and what it means for her to step away. i know she didn't step away totally but stepped away for

minutes and hours and days to get the book done. what is the importance to the world in your mind of the book. >> yeah, i have known tamika for a long time. even before we decided to create an organize together we did work together. from the time i've known tamika i have always saw something special in her. there are a lot of great people that do the work and would give their life for the work. i have always realized there was something special about tamika. i believe some of it is her pedigree and were she comes from and some of it is who she believes she is. i think this moment we just had this past year with the murder of amaud abrey, breonna taylor, and many others.

the voice like tamika had a platform for others to recognize it. in many ways when we do the work organizing and activism work we are in a moment were the rest of the world is seeing what we have known. there is a tremendous amount of issues with policing and mass incarceration. one of the great things about the moment is that as folks try to understand, unpack, navigate, and address these issues you need voices to rise to the top and figure some of those things out. also to have the conversation and discourse about the issues. toe me kais one of the perfect voices for that. she has done the work for so long. she isn't an outsider. she isn't an academic. it's not that that is important but they are not tamika and

might not lend the kind of authenticity that's necessary. tamika does all of those things. i'm honored to know her and not just work with her but have her as a friend and family. as she does her book tour and has these conversations which some people can look at as part of the movement. it's a manuscript or tool for us to understand the work and move forward in the work. she's relentless about working. we are in houston right now for a rally we'll be at tomorrow for a sister murdered by police. that's who tamika is. she loves the work. lives the work. she writes about the work. whether it world believes it or not she has one of the most important voices of our time. i hope the book really creates a opportunity for her voice to

each more people. that's tamika mallory. >> thank you so much. i have a to a more questions for you but i just saw matt barns barns has come on. you are probably glad you missed the introduction. we have so much love for you and the things you have done a and using it off the court and being one of the few people who has shown you can be completely fearless act what's going on and be elevated and give a bigger platform. a lot of people spent generations trembling and scared. anyway, very positive things

were said before. you have been given a warm introduction. i would like you to take a minute to talk about tamika from your point of view. >> i apologize getting on espn ease wi-fi is like breaking into fort knocks. it's like a fan of tamika. i met her by reaching out via d.m. and telling her i'm proud of her. i let her know i'm a fan of what she's doing. for the first time we are having these tough conversations and important to have everyone on the call but like angela said she comes from were we comes from and also have the knowledge to arcticcuate.

many don't understand the struggle. they understand the struggle and come from the struggle and arctic -- articulate to the world. she's one of the most important voices we have in a lot of different realms. we are having race and police brutalities and different conversations that we as black people had but finally the world is here. it's great to be here and i'm looking forward to just learning. my background is sports and making the transition into social justice and politics is a load. it's fun. i enjoy and definitely believe it's needed i'm not scared to say anything. i believe their needs to be more people like that. >> uh-huh, i wanted -- before i circle back around. i have a few more questions for

people. tamika, can i bring you inferior a few seconds. you know, i wonder, as you hear -- we are not just saying this because you are here. people talk behind your back this way. so, i mean, you have been through so much and seen so much how does it feel from your point to sit here now. it's more than a notion. it's very difficult. difficult to get published and were you are now. how does it hit you? >> it's tough like you said little me reiterate.

it's necessary and hardest specially living the life i live and sit-down and take two hours to work with a writing coach. ashley. it was very humbling. the timeline was so short because this book began immediately following the speech that i made minneapolis. it's clearly raten during a time of contracts at the beginning and it's been done for a while. the audioversion has been recorded. it's a lot of work. i'm grateful to my brother

charlemagne the god. it's cool to work with him because, you know, we made a lot of decisions like having cardi b and in conversation with one another. that was a new concept for the publishers. they loved the ideas of having both of them but the idea of it being a conversation and people understanding were you are going with this. now that people have had the opportunity to read the book and understand the relationship between the two and becoming more clear why i would have both of them in particularly cardi be a part of the book. i was waiting for you to let me say something. i talk a lot.

>> continue. >> in terms of feeling like should i be here. i love tanisah. i'll just say it's humbling and feeling honored to be in the statement that's why i chose cardi b. . . could be read by a mother and her teenage son at the same time. two spectrums. my son is 22 and he and i am two sides of the world in terms of the way we think but this is something i hope brings families and communities together and bridges the gap between the doctor and the guy on the street corner and that

is the work i have always been committed to and it does make feel good to hear you talk about me and that is the way i want to represent. sometimes you hear people talking about you and that is not what i was going for but it sounds good but a situation to hear folks know that because i came from the community, i grew up in holland in the housing projects, stepped over cracks, there is urine in the elevators, they weren't always working, that is the experience that is in me and many people didn't think when i had a baby at 18 years old and it is two years later his father in a ditch before he was discovered, took two weeks for his body to be found, these things when the world hears that they don't hear a successful woman able to write a book to speak to 5 million people around the world

and the organization so somebody else to know they can do it as well. >> that part, the ability that you have was unique to say the same thing to the president and sisters and brothers on the street corner in the same tone and have that on the streets to move the same way. it is unbelievable. inside the year where george floyd died is not an easy year, sitting around and drinking chardonnay, the year of finding a way to write a book and to

bring, think about the icons coming together. angela davis, one of the biggest icons of the last century for her to say hello, just -- that is the whole thing by itself the fact that being in conversation with her but to have carty be, one of the biggest icons of this century to say hello. those things and for them to say let me spend my time and energy trying to do something with charlemagne and his imprint and making sure that gets off to the right started with tamika you are touching so many different parts of where the culture needs to go. charlemagne is an outspoken media figure but trying to be an entrepreneur. that is not easy. none of this is easy.

it is not easy to be in the public eye as well. what i love that people may not know she could have done this by herself. i will do some stuff. everybody can look at me, she is trying to platform other voices. the option to swing around to you. for us, in the social impact space. we need allies, the conversation, the allyship, to wake up and be more conscious

and helpful, to call's on us to carry the education as well. in san francisco, the black mayor, it is 3% black now. dealing with allyship all the time. what do you need from allies in the moment. >> what we need is accomplices. to take respect for voices and

agency, what we echoed, where we come from where we come from and subject matter experts, that is what we need to move forward. what i appreciate the way she frames this in the book. how we've been in a country we built, we know the blueprint at the bedrock and infrastructure what we are dealing within the system is racism. deprives a lot of what we experience it. there is no better expert on how to navigate or come out of it. what we need is for people to take that direction, respect that agency and voice, to navigate around, books like this are incredibly important and representation everybody has is extremely important.

talking this stuff, being very clear and direct about how he feels personally, the risk they may have on them per professionally, gives us more space to be unapologetic about what is happening about what we see we end we need. demonstrated in different ways, but in the translation and you said it then, the commonality and the language we are using and we don't have to switch it. if we were clearing directly enough in this moment to understand the respect they have for our voice and the agency that allows them from moving to be the ally and guiding and advising us to being an accomplice and what we are saying to move forward by investing or giving the

resources or space, the social justice movement especially, it has to be because it impact all of our lives, how you are in that space and take it up is important and it is important for folks when it comes to black voices and leadership we not only need to be centered but in front i think tamika's leadership and voice and the way she's able to speak always in the back of my mind what i hear is violence for you all. the fact that we continue to remind folks that we are conscious and we know how to navigate and move forward and move behind us. that is what we need. i'm proud of the opportunity is creating for us to continue this conversation. >> we are getting close in time.

talking about trying to get political people engaged, and using your voice. and wife for you personally. and that is a lot of hard for the people. >> >> my faith is a huge part of it. and so that is -- that is at the center. and on top of that is my

experience, and hand i go out side and face it. and drive. and we are not a healthy society, and that is a job not just for us but this idea that we talk about black history is for black people, we are talking about american history. and 2 meters a lot of strength

in the veins and the blood of my ancestors. i wanted to mention when i was talking about generations being born with pts, we are also bored with the strength and power of our ancestors and that keeps us, it is a family thing. a sisterhood thing in particular. it will be different from your experience as a black man. it is spiritually first. to advance that. i'm very much at an impasse to see stories like this and seem our stories represented in this way. the hardest thing to do would be to sit down.

>> it is inspiring, i'm older than all you guys. it wasn't this way. it was very difficult to get artists. we are the world moment if you've got enough at the same time, jump up and we are the world and they runoff and nothing else, five years. >> i also think that is what i said. the other part of it, i am referring -- the government and white society and america has again made an effort to make artists unaware of the power of their voice the power of the platform.

one of my favorites was -- toward people liberated their people and freed their people almost single-handedly. that i think about the 60s in america and how it changed from being a love song to save the children to what is going on, there was a huge impact that a huge impact. even just doing billie holiday movie, they killed the woman, went after her, started an entire war on drugs to stop her from a song about lynching in america. artists don't realize how strong their voices, sometimes we can communicate messages that may not be heard so it is a community effort by your voice and tamika's voice.

it is a combined effort. oftentimes artists are not fully aware of how much they can sway the conversation and direct the conversation. >> i want to add real quick, sorry about that but i think obviously what you said it didn't used to be like that and andrea said understanding our power, one of the reasons to me this movement has been so because artists started to educate themselves and we have the biggest platform. if you are parents, you know, i'm a former athlete, if i say something to my kids okay, cool, but if lebron james says something, lebron said it, same for music. i think we coincide importantly because people like yourself, we can echo your messages and make your messages go further than you thought they could go, between athletes and artists we have the biggest voice in the world, people listen to our voices, our voices travel around the world.

that is a huge part of our platform but educating ourselves but leaning on people like tamika and other people, she said this, let me repost it. there was a great clip on cnn. we have millions of followers and fans, it is continuing to echo because people with bigger platforms realized how important this fight is. >> well said, but before we get to the questions that come in. we get a chance to work with this a 3 day. texting you and calling you and you try to be telepathic at this point but most of us don't. i want to make sure the book sells.

i want you to order this book. what is in this book is something you are glad is in there. what is she sharing that you know will be a benefit to others. >> having a conversation the other day, the book was already number one in our hearts. we would like it to be number one on the charts. we want folks to share the book but i think tamika in the book epitomizes to a bridge. when you see carty be and angela davis it is a bridge for our people and that is what we need in these moments, but a lot of moments in the movement

it is strong, the music is strong and we know when the movement is strong so many components of black life and black culture are stronger and when the music is strong other components are stronger and for me those are the bridges that we build that allow us to feed into one another. tamika up analyzes that by taking a rest to cardi b and angela davis to be in conversation with tamika mallory but it is an important conversation and a bridge the country needs, my daughter reading the book. in part of the book tamika is talking about lynching and my daughter is like what is lynching, and i was explain what lynching is, but strange fruit, exactly. the other piece it is a bridge for younger generations, young folks coming up living in a historical moment, where george floyd, still politically astute

and savvy and forced to be in a way that i was not and i look at myself as someone who is politically astute, i believe they are truly the change agents, not only a bridge to each other but tamika and this bookkeeper demise a bridge to a new place we are trying to get to. i talk about the context of the next american revolution. it is not like the revolutions we've seen before. if we all invest, this is one of the seeds that can reap that fruit. >> that is really well said. i don't want to add anything to that. some questions on the audience members and paul will come in and help us with those. the whole conversation just getting started.

>> we are all bringing it, wonderful and unique to this audience that tended to be very liberal and well-versed and woke. in the spirit of full disclosure and selfishness i am going to start with my question because i can't hold it in anymore and this is for tamika. i had heard you say in recent years and i want to quote this right, following the tradition of doctor king for nonviolence, we fight substance of oppression, not people we disagree with and i add to that personalities. on the one hand i find that to

be as simple statement and so profound and poignant, i was hoping you could expound on that, how you embrace that philosophy. do you find that especially challenging the last four years who was in power who is such a personality, how do you keep holding on to that. >> i always hold onto it. i'm a work in progress. a serious fight, in atlanta georgia where a white man attacked me and some of the patrons that my friends and family that i was sitting with, patrons at a bar, actually studying the scripture that i was to use as my mother's day speech the next day at newburgh's missionary baptist church.

i was downstairs with a whole pastor reading over the -- making 30 minutes around 10:30 at night, listening to verses that at the same time the girls were on, as wv and escape and we were in good spirits and a white man came over, belligerent, drunk, disrespectful, put his finger in my face, and menacing us, it turns into a big big problem because security did nothing to address him and telling us to calm down. that is one of those instances we were prepared to put that principle to the side and defend ourselves against someone who was causing us harm.

i can't claim rights to the principal other than to say it is a part of the nonviolence principle that doctor king studied, it is a philosophy he lived by, and go aside black people's heads when they were trying to challenge him and disrespect him and treat him unfairly because they were not too afraid of his power and what he was -- to do at that time. it is not always easy to stick to that philosophy because there are moments to address individuals for their particular ignorance, we are not fighting individuals but institutions, we are fighting institutions that have power

and the power to oppress our communities. with women's march it is one of the key components to me, and the women's march, hours to the very beginning the very first post was important to signify where it stood with respect within the organizing state. we were 24, 27 hours in, and carmen perez why organized with and in that space the entire conversation was trump trump trump trump trump. we've got to go after trump, he's racist, he is sexist, we can't allow him to do this to this country and we set hold up, this country has been that. some folks are saying america is not racist to we say the complete opposite, that is, at the core, the foundation of

this nation, white supremacy is thriving, it is well and we can sugarcoat it would be politically correct about it and therefore when we got into the women's march we had to retrain the minds of individuals that thought if we move donald trump or fox him or protested donald trump that it somehow addressed racism and put a end to it and that is what we mean when we say this is institutional. we are going to fight for equal pay, we have to look at it from the perspective that you as a white woman make more money than me as a black woman so we are fighting an institutional problem that has existed for over 400 years since we've been here in this nation so that is what we mean. trust me, i'm a work in progress and i ask god every day to help me live by that principle as much as possible. >> not only difficult but

personalities coming, and tribal, it is not about the tribal and identity politics, the system and oppression. getting to other people, a bookseller and a specialist with children and children's books, that is a great question. someone who works with elementary and middle school students, would love suggestions about speaking to young and very young children about these issues. how do you suggest teachers must engage and enlighten students about these issues especially and racially nondiverse communities and putting that to the whole panel

whoever wants to take that. >> 12-year-old boys, i have always been, i came from a parents were functional -- scene kid that young age and scene abuse. i was never shaded from anything and normally you take two ways and jump in and do all the negative stuff. i shied away from it. and sheltered from anything. the same principles when talking to younger boys, ahead of their age, when it is time to come back and re-address these situations we briefly discussed it. i don't think there is an easy way to approach when you are talking to kids but the best ways to talk to them almost like they are adults. we don't live in a world as black african-americans we can

sugarcoat anything. that could be the difference between life and death. to me you have these tough conversations with children as real as possible but bite-size pieces, as a 41-year-old man, working on herself daily. small bite sized pieces. at an early age, when it comes back i talked about that in third grade and now i'm talking about it in fifth grade and now i see what is going on my freshman year of high school. to me it is open, it is real, it is honest and even if you feel kids are too young i don't think they are too young because you see kids die and drive via four years old now. it is unfortunate the society we live in but we live in a real society and need real answers and abilities to figure out equations and younger age than we ever had to worry about. i would take it bite-size to take it real, honest and open. >> anybody else wants to take that? >> i want to jump in as well,

to piggyback on what matt said. do you remember how old you were when you heard about the holocaust? it was a very young age, you remember when you heard about world war ii or pearl harbor or when you heard about, you know, i feel like these are very traumatic events that we learn honestly as far back as i can remember. brian stevenson talks about the jewish community, very well at talking about the holocaust, resurrecting monuments that pay tribute to holocaust survivors,

these are all events we learn about at such a young age, why did i know more about the violence and depravity of the holocaust of world war ii and pearl harbor at such a young age, when it seems shocking and jarring, not that we want to do this, when you think about a picnic, the modern interpretation and how it is used that you pick somebody to lean she would burn their property and lay your blankets out and celebrate with your kids how many images we have seen of young children at lynching of black people so this idea, why is it always our story and history that is too violent to talk to kids about at a young age? you know what i mean? i just feel like on top of that learning about our history, to make sure you know the history

as well, that most of your textbooks are manufactured and distributed in texas from texas, the history of agenda there. when you talk to your kids about the american revolution, kids in your class know, lafayette is the reason, the main reason we have our independence as a nation, he was a double agent the received wrong information to the british and correct information to americans and that is a black man, or carter was responsible for saving the economy during the depression. make sure you have the information and don't be scared to talk to your kids about these events. that is intentional. to make a brilliantly put the we are fighting the system here. to understand, shielding our kids from these things is a little bit a part of that system so of course we should

have the conversations as a country. >> amen, hallelujah. >> another question relating once again to younger people. katherine says this is coming from a place is apparent who for many years when her kids were young she used to teach them to become her blind, to not see, to not see the differences thinking that was the way to teach your kids in realizing now that probably was a mistake and she wants to know how we can change speech, how can wait people change their speech in talking to their kids where they are not saying things like that and have to

walk it back? >> i will say something. first of all people say i don't even see color. you might want to go see a doctor because that is not normal. it is a lie.

invest in the things that did keep our communities safe and help our people. the foundation and all the systems are rooted in oppression and that's important for us to note. the bigger question we need answered is whether we creating with the placement in the systems that have guided our lives and we have been dealing with this intersectional violence that all these systems have waged on us and so what's best for us in the long run is visioning what we need to do to replace the system to have it work for us and people get caught up in the language or what that means for people in real time and i think it's important for us to note for our community we have to great room safety system from the jump because we could rely on others to do that for us so we need to think about how what we are

doing for our communities and get out of this political debate what we mean is we don't want to continue doing things that harm the community and especially if they have a history that is rooted in taking lives. we want to wring better so we should divide what that is. >> absolutely and it looks like like -- because those are the types of things we need to talk about regularly and when we talk every day those are the things we talk about. i just want to add to your point because folks will say they listen to everything you said and i will state clearly that they will move back and say well does that mean we are getting

rid of police and number one i am an abolitionist at heart so i think we should he and a space where we don't need police but that's not the situation we are in right now. it's not exact we what we are talking about. this is what we are saying. between six and $10 billion is being designated for policing in new york, between six and $10 billion yet if you look at mental health services you look at housing, you look at food clean and food there and all the institutional power that you need to put, to make those things happen our kids go to school and again how they eat those institutions together and another word that i'm looking for but those institutions combined are not having this same resonance as the police so the police have to be six to

10 billion but until health institutions are failing gravely and there is a real serious problem with the unbalanced the twain what is necessary to keep our communities safe and where we see our priorities because as we know you put your money where your priorities are and we understand that policing often leads to mask incarceration so that is the concept that will develop when policing first began as an institution responsible for catching what was called runaway are keeping new in line. that is how policing began. it has not changed much. we are looking to shift the

conversations around around how we make people whole and how we make them mentally healthy so we don't have the situation where a young 16, thick ting, 14-year-old child has a gun in his hand and that's the only thing he feels gives him power in the moment to deal with the trauma that has been inflicted upon him by all the other issues that are failing our community so it's not hard. the pundits are spending it on purpose because people do not want to go up against police and they don't want to fight police unions. that's really the bottom line but i think anyone who understands what funding means and ship things and creating balance they get it and they want to see that happen as well but they are living with the fear tactics that were used to push us away from our wood be progress in our committee. >> that's beautifully said in my want to add one piece to that. it's not just the chiefs of police and the department is the

police union and i did work in sacramento at the capitol and the teachers unions in the police unions i see the officer in atlanta was rehired after being charged. they are keeping these bad officers with the job and that's another reason why this policing bill is some port and to be able to track their behavior. it's not just the police but it's the union as well because they allow these cops to continue to be. >> i just want to add to that it's necessary because that's how we are able to divest in the system. these laws and protections are important because we don't have a replacement system yet and until we have policies that prevent people from -- in our communities with impunity we are going to be able to advance move forward.

it's critical that we have that legislation and something you mentioned in the historical context when we are looking at the policies that have been on the books we have to be honest about the racialized policies that existed in this country that have protected them to harm our communities and pushes out whether it's the black code in things that have been on the books for generations that have created opportunities for the systems to continue harming our people. reform is important. it's important for us to understand how the policies work and it's important for us to reverse legislation and important for us to present certain legislation and its important rest a hand up our hands on the budget to meet those resources where they help our community and every one of us plays a role in doing that.

helping people understand the issues and the work that you are doing matt and advocating. all of that is important. >> i wanted to chime in on that. i don't know if i can contribute big izzy vardy said is so beautifully but not just understanding the police unions with understanding politicians and that's a huge part of it which is why you can go back to voting and why it's so important it's so important not just in the presidential elections but they local elections. it really matters and again i ours back to that because it was just put so well. we have to understand the police

have always been used as a way to control and persecute black people and that's a part of the conversation. people keep trying to have all this conversation out of context. when we think about the huge budgets for police really started coming on the war on crime with lyndon johnson's war on crime which was a war on black people. the war on drugs was the nucleus and the genesis and the federal bureau of narcotics and just another way to control populations or juvenile delinquents at the time. all of these are tight to black people and there's no way to parse words around it so understanding how much policing sways elections and it's usually

about the informed and as tamika was talking about it's really just understanding the reallocation of funds and ask yourselves why are we putting so much money into it and to the police and the prison industrial complex. it's completely rooted in race so our conversation is that we want to be a healthy society so we want to reallocate those funds into mental health and education and up to what our children put in their bodies. we are trying to build a healthier society. the conversation has to be an honest one.

we need to as far as the fight goes we need to operate without awareness. >> since everybody got a chance to talk i want to say simply this i'm from a law enforcement family. my dad was a cop in the military and both are retired police officers. is the present way we do things very cops? right now they are the only people with any input which means every kid they have to be coached to which they are not trained to do and every homeless person which they are not trained to do or to provide mental health services, and marriage counseling which they are not trained to do. we don't send any other professional into our society

and send people in here with guns to do everybody else's job. if you love the police so much why don't you send some resources into these communities and let them do their job and let other officials do their jobs so there is no argument to what we are we are doing right now. you could be the most anti-police and what we are doing right now is a successful definition and leaned nagin and taste of the coalition to come together reallocate these budgets like everybody else's community. community top to bottom the ones that work well enough the ones with the most police. i see adult professionals to deal with our community in a proper way. that's all we are asking for and if that's what you want for community and you can call it defending the police whatever you want to call it but i call

it anti-stupid. >> great comments from all of you and i'm glad you ended up taking it on. i think i'm going to pass it on to tamika. i think you wanted to acknowledge the people in audience. >> first of all i want to thank all of you. van it's been a long time and we are great friends and i appreciate so much that you are willing to lead this conversation. it's really an honor to have your greatness. we should be on "cnn" or somewhere right now talking. >> we canceled for tonight. >> i really do appreciate that. as you said we met on line and have it come friends and we talk and i appreciate matt's perspective and we have had some challenges where we have had to

talk through things like are you sure, you know i don't know if this is the way to be leaning and we have debated for a lot of topics so mad i appreciate you and tamika we haven't met but thank you so much for coming in being with us today and adding your perspective as a part of this conversation. my rather a is gone and i love him so much. i want to say to you andra my heart, it's so warm. i feel like i'm shaky a little bit about the fact that you sat here and one of the reasons why is i feel like i'm looking at early holiday. that film has become a required film for anybody who travels with me anyone who is around me in my personal space and i really mean this. i wanted you to know i'm not just saying it. i have been out making everyone or board members everyone watch the film because i sometimes can

be a little tough and i don't trust a lot of people and folks feel like you know why are you bugging, why are you tripping? have been making them watch the united states versus billie holliday because i wanted to see how easy it is for people to slip in to find out your vulnerability and to use those things against you where the state is able to take your life and the way in which you played billie holliday and that film was incredible i mean absolutely incredible so we honor you, we love you and i thank you so much for being a part of this conversation today. i also of course want to thank the team and book passage for hosting this incredible conversation today and i need to make sure that i'm don't want to miss anything. "state of emergency" team doing

together making sure people who can afford the look have access to these events. i don't think it's charity. doing what we are supposed to in making sure our folks have the access that they deserve. we gave 10 tickets away for this particular event. yet i think it's 10, it may be more that 10000 degrees in san francisco to alliance san rafael bookclub green action of oakland elevate for human rights in oakland games jones education foundation alliance for girls all of them received tickets. all of them received tickets to received tickets feel the calm. again thank you so much.

you can go to tamika -- tamika mallory.com. we will be do other things immediately following this leg of the tour be the reason why it's categorized by state is because of the local bookstore like book passage that we are parting with but you can go to any of them. that's what they have allowed us to do so thank you. >> real quick thank you for the opportunity to continue to be a huge fan but i want to say you know you've made it when people make it their goal to try to tier you down i see that daily with people attacking your character. a lot of people out there love you and we appreciate you and we support you and i also want to know if i i can send some money so you guys can buy some books and had them out for free.

let me know off-line where i can send the money so you can hand them out for free. >> we are at the second leg of the tour. thank you matt. i'm working on the turning of the cheek side of me. i'm not of the turning of the cheek generation. i'm turning towards you so thank you for that. in terms of the second leg of the tour we are going to be on street corners across america may conjure that young folks get access to these books and people in the community working with us some of the gun violence and pastor wright who connected me and tinisch together. we need support to buy books to get them out for free so thank you. >> thank you matt. >> we will follow up.

>> i have to run guys. i have to go get my kids at school. i am here if you ever need me. thank you guys. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you to all her our panelists and once again to our audience members. we know you gave up time in the middle of your work day are virtually teaching the kids or you got someone else to pick them up and we appreciate it. we know you have an acidic from it because this was a phenomenal discussion, a unique discussion and as someone who worked in the industry i cannot roughly tell you of all the books that come to the forefront this last year on this topic and other topics like it this is unique. it will grab you with the foreword. i was blown away by that forward and i read a lot of looks. i was blown away. come for the forward, stay for

everything else tamika as saying in it and pass the book along. this is one of those books you don't want to selfishly key. you want to pass this message on. tamika thank you so much thank you for your work all of you. thank you for your unique voices in your passion and for doing this and we are so proud to be a part of this. >> what it is supposed to do is. knowledge and the skill to influence citizenry but academia has now decided that its real job, its primary job is to promote radical ideology. this job from one purpose to

another is some random alternative for mission creep. the purpose for academia has substituted is so remote that it's the only one that the charges of most colleges and universities make a point of categorically -- forgetting. it's a pretty astonishing fact that it is true. it is forbidden in most genres. why did they do this? because the framers knew if campuses promoted political ideologies it would spoil them. they knew that those ideologies would be rigid enough to prevent the freedom of thought and the exploration of new ideas.

they knew that the two purposes academic and political are just different, they were total opposites. one requires constraint and the other requires a fixed -- in other words one can't coexist with the other. one can't allow the other to exist and that's how far off course academia has gone in this capricious self or purpose in. we are not just dealing with too many left of center faculty. it's really a different problem altogether. we are dealing with two different kinds of people. on the one hand academic scholars and on the other hand political activists. on the campuses the actions of

the controlling majority. there are certainly a number of academic scholars but they did not have the numbers to control policy. these two types of people want fundamentally different things. the academic teacher wants us to think independently. a political activist wants the exact opposite. students analyzing the strengths and weak masses of different ideas as they might choose the wrong one so it's inevitable if wills welcome -- squelch academic progress.

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