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moment i shouted out at the top of my lungs about this is because of you, i screamed. >> this is because of you! >> i think i was representing four years of angst and anxiety and anger, many of it was coming from a mile away, i think many did. i represented probably millions of americans felt the same way and at that moment the entire country, including myself recognized the fragility of our democracy, i have great appreciation for the tradition and progress and ron, i do not like to violated but i do not regret it because it was what ours feeling it was four years of pent up anxiety about what was transpiring right in front of our eyes. >> this week you will hear from
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democrat jamie raskin of maryland and republican line of pennsylvania. january 6 views from the house come on sunday night ten eastern c-span, c-span don't work or listen on the c-span radio app. greetings from the national archives building in washington d.c. which sits on the ancestral land. it is my pleasure to welcome you to tonight's virtual lecture, author of the man i knew, knew from our about former president george h.w. bush. before we began, i can tell you to our current programs you can view on our youtube channel. wednesday we will present a program in partnership with u.s. association former members of congress called can progress reform itself again? our moderator, panelists will be
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current and former members of congress. tuesday june 15 at noon, historian michael will be here to talk about his new book an american marriage based on 30 years of research and describes and analyzes the marriage between abraham lincoln and mary todd. residential libraries, national archives for service microsoft this, the stories told in the libraries presidents entire life, not just their time in the highest office of the nation. after returning to private life, a member of them turned to humanitarian causes and advisory roles and you will find those activities documented in the libraries as well after leaving office in 1993, george bush remains engaged in public service and continue to encourage others to make a difference in large and small ways. he shared decades of experience with successors and worked for a kinder, gentler america.
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today's author who was with president bush for nearly all of his post- presidential years, in her new book the man i knew, she brings the reader into the room with george book bush and looks at a close-up after leaving the office. president george h.w. bush's chief of staff for nearly 25 years in the 1994 until bush's death in 2018. as chief of staff, the never boring story of george herbert walker's wife after his presidency including being at his side when he died facing the challenge great honor of being in charge of his state funeral. previously gina served as press secretary to first lady barbara bush in 1989 to 1992. as a former journalist, she's a member of the jake william scholarship award the change can support as well as a member of
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the advisory boards of the george bush presidential library and george bush school of government and public service. our moderator for tonight's discussion is lauren, director of the george h.w. bush presidential library museum. horn has more than 30 years of experience of the national archives and records administration, first with the officer presidential library here in washington d.c. and fenced with the ronald reagan library in california and not the bush library and museum. details to the bush white house in 1992 to assist the move of bush presidential materials to texas and has been there ever since. that's where from jean and lauren now. thank you for joining us today. >> hello. >> good evening, great to see you. >> thank you for the kind introduction. also, i like to shout out to our
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partners in crime, but george barbara bush foundation. my colleague from lower alabama and also the dean of the bush school and the staff at the library event have been so helpful here during covid it also staff of the former president's office, a great organization we belong to. very lucky to be part of it and the life of george and barbara bush for all these years. my first question, you kind of came to the bush office in a curious way, can you talk about your work for usa today and did the diary, can you talk about how that led to barbara bush hiring you to work on her staff.
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>> it is an interesting road to the white house and the bushes wife, a reporter at usa today in 1988 and the 80 election and barbara bush, they both agreed to write a column for usa today called their campaign diary, it ran every monday morning and i was there editor. when i was given the assignment i was sort of grumpy about it, i didn't want to but ended up being a lot of fun, i got to know both of those amazing women really well and after the election, i was very surprised when missus bush's chief of staff offered me a job in the first lady's press office. it took me a couple of weeks to think about it, i loved being a reporter and that it was my dad, a farmer in missouri who said what's wrong with you?
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you been offered a job by the incoming first lady of the united states and you are still thinking about it? but he was right, i said yes and the rest is history. and i quickly went to houston when he lost the election in 92 to help missus bush with her memoirs, i was her researcher and her editor, she wrote the book herself, she'd want me to say that and then the book was done and president bush said to me, so you'd stay a couple more months, i need to hire chief of staff? he said just stay until labor day, this was march of 94 and i'll hire someone. we never talked about it again. i think 25 years later i said to him sir, i am still waiting for you to come to my office and tell me you have hired a chief of staff and i'm unemployed, he thought i was crazy. [laughter] >> twenty-five years plus
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working for president bush and you have written this great book and what i love about the book, it's a book of stories so tell us about the book, why he wrote it and why people should read it. >> first of all, i wrote the book, president bush left me so many great stories was such a wild roller coaster ride with him 25 years, he did a lot, he was funny, the whole story, the odd couple, he went back where he was shot down, he raised hundreds of millions of dollars for disaster relief and there was just funny stories like when he called prince to ask him if
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he was dead or alive, that was the day i knew i had to write a book so i started writing the book just because i thought the american people need to know the heart and soul of this amazing man in the middle of writing the book it occurred to me that there is something a lot more important at work here pouring out of my heart onto my computer talking about him. president bush left us a blueprint on his life. when someone dies and they often will say it was a life well lived, if you want to be said about that when you die, you need to write this book. president bush taught us how to live life. >> he did. perfectly good lines. love the story missus bush said, a great way to go one way or another. >> and on his 90th birthday, he jumped at saint anne's church
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and she said if it doesn't go well just carry him inside and have the funeral. [laughter] >> today is missus bush's birthday. we put a bouquet of roses at her gravesite today. just an amazing love story between the two of them. missus bush and her scrapbook, hundreds of scrapbooks, i think like 125, 150 of the library made the mistake of asking missus bush if she did themselves, you can imagine what she said. >> she did. >> she started at least scrapbook when they first got married. >> i have to explain that, i hate to interrupt you. a photo of the wranglers, the bushes pretending they are
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wranglers in that order. they just have fun. i'm sorry i interrupted. >> they left the wranglers. almost every other so for those of you who don't know, this was a precision dance team and they look like they're going to knock themselves out but somehow they do it and the bushes them a lot of events so today is missus bush's 96th birthday, she's buried here along with her husband and their daughter presidential library. no, you talk about life well served, that was a great partnership with, i am 60 years old and i think there were kids when they got married. although he's been in the war.
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>> they were 19 when they got married they were marrying 73 years i am wearing barbara bush blue in honor of her birthday today. i almost put on a pearl is you but whenever and where pros, i would play with them promote welcome and she would say quit twirling your pearls. so in her honor, i did not wear pearls today but i would like to read a letter in the book that president bush wrote her and say everything you need to know how he tells about his wife of 73 years. generally six, 1994, 49th wedding anniversary barbara pierce, from g hwb, will you marry me? oops, i forgot you did this 49 years ago today. i was very happy on that day and 1945 but i am even happier today.
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you've given me joy that few men know. you've made our boys into men by loving them. you've hopped the sweetest, greatest daughter in the whole wide world. i've climbed perhaps the highest mountain in the world but even that could not hold a candle to barbara's husband. george, don't walk ahead, little did she know i was only trying to keep up with deborah pierce on the street in new york. i love you. >> a great letter. >> and before i'm going to jump right in and that i promise i will let you talk again. i know that right now people are weeping across america with that letter so now i'm going to make
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them last so we are going to wipe away the tears quickly. missus bush was a good sport, president bush teased her unmercifully. had a wonderful sense of humor and i think she was the target of both her practical jokes from this was the worst thing he ever did to her. i'm going to read this, to. missus bush often told people one of the reasons she married george bush's he made her laugh. as the master of practical jokes, his wife often is target. one of his more famous success stories had to be the day he managed to convince her that she might be going to jail for trafficking pork. during the summer of 1998, she had a lot of surprises in the book, everyone needs to read the book. during the summer of 1998, it came to light someone in the
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house was looking up and on missus bush's computer. some unnamed teen boys quickly acknowledged their crime, leaving photos in the printer led to their downfall. a few days after this incident, missus bush found in her mail a letter from the office of the inspector general of the federal trade commission that read in part, in doing a routine check, it appears you've recently been engaged in downloading photographic material, we request that you report to our office in portland, maine for a hearing august 17, 199:88:30 a.m. she was reading, she blurted out to him that she might be going to jail.
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i was not there when this transpired but i was told president bush managed to keep it together for a few minutes before dissolving into laughter. yes, he had written the letter with the help of some staff members. that was sort of the secret to their wonderful marriage. they knew how to laugh and tease each other. ... >> this was before she died and they had both been in the hospital she had been dismissed. in the get word, this great methodist hospital in the get word that she is headed back in back to the hospital in an ambulance and she is taken a
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turn for the worse so i told him she was on her way back. so they got her settled into a roman they had adjoining rooms and that is the last couple of years. i think the methodist hospital sort of figured out that if one is in the hospital, enjoy the other one would end up there as well. i think it was sort of by design. they get settled in the room and they wanted to go and see her and she was not in it, but she was someone else. pretty much out of it, very deep sleep. i hate to be critical of the 41st president of the united states but he looked awful. his hair was standing straight up, he was wearing an oxygen mask and he was in the hospital gown. like you and i if we had been in the hospital for five days. they had given him a wheelchair and they had taken into a room.
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and he was holding her hand. and all of a sudden, her eyes flew open and she looked at him and she said, my god george, your devastatingly good looking. [laughter] i hate to say it but he was not at that moment and then she just closed her eyes and you know the love of her life holding her hand in economy 90 need to me and he started shrug as if to say, well it is what it is jane. i can help it. anyway she died about a week later. in the bushes live in a three-story townhouse read in the bedroom was on the second floor and the power went out that day out for three hours and he was downstairs when that the time is near and the secret
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service god love them, carried him up the stairs to because the elevator was not working and he said that i have to be there. and she died. and you know warren i would've right now to give this big shout out to the granddaughter, the beautiful and wonderful la. she wrote a book about her grandparents love story george barbara bush, the great american love story. it is just a sweet and wonderful book and i think you have a story to share with us pretty. >> so la and kelly and chase tell about, they came to the bush library did a lot of research. and the scrapbooks, they were amazing. we the museum on the tenth anniversary, one of the reasons
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we wanted to read through the exhibits is because we had discovered the scrapbooks they were amazing stuff. and mike said, there's like hundred and 50 of them. so we had been through the mall but apparently we had not been through them all and quite details of his one from 1945. and la and kelly are going through the entrance scrapbook. the open page and there's an envelope, sealed up and it has the names of people who attended the dinner so they opened the envelope and inside of the envelope is the wish from the first thanksgiving turkey, the wishbone. this they had a 1945 and missus bush was always great about this, it all came. and just, it's just lovely. everybody kind of went, kind of all at once. so after you read the man i
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knew. "the man i knew" pretty. >> i love it that wishbone story. and are talking about her doing a lot of research. and would like to point out that the library was closed as i was writing this book because of the pandemic and working from home, warren and his team in the head people there, and the deputy director, you will were amazing and i know it was hard for you all to help me fact check and research this book. and also warren has the best wife ever. she is the audiovisual director of the library. you guys are rock stars so i just wanted take a moment to thank you this book would not have happened without you. and you helped me despite the fact that you are home. and you managed to dig out fact
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checking. i did have to e-mail george clooney directly register that out. >> and so, it is amazing the staff, of what they can do working from home. telework is just amazing, the great staff here, they did some great work. let's talk about this relationship between president bush and president clinton. i heard president bush, he said you know i kind of liked him when he was governor back didn't like him so much when he really gets me but i kinda like and begin left office. and then of course adams and jefferson, they were good friends and then not good friends. and then they were good friends again. but i think the president bush
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and bill clinton had this special relationship and talk about a life will serve him a they did some amazing work. >> they really did. and you and i talked about this a couple of days ago because this is hosted by the national archives and we did want to talk about that that relationship and what happened between former presidents and they really are the presidents club and there's a great book written by the great michael duffey about call the presidents club they really do have a social relationship with each other and here is a picture of them with the former presidents at that time and i confess that i am phone evolving their backstage. they were about ready to do this huge relief for harvey and a great friend therese bircher was
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helping out, and she photo bombed the president. letters telling stories and catching up with each other. and devastating, and of course the two george bushes, immediately on a door off their sleeves and go to work. i just sort of told the other three former presidents, and my staff, just an fyi, going to be doing this in here they are, they all showed up. and it is just a really special relationship. present bush and president clinton, became great friends and there's a whole chapter about all their disaster relief work. missus bush called them the odd couple in the title of the chapter. they literally raise hundreds of millions of dollars for hurricane katrina, hurricane rita hurricane ice buried in us and army in south asia which is where it all began.
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and i'm going to ask everyone to read the book before you start, and also the post enter paul john the second story prayed and i thought there might be a few stories that surprise people that are not well known. in one involves former vice president al gore and it really demonstrates that the men and only one day soon, the women who occupied the highest offices in the land have a connection no matter the politics, no matter the background read they had a charities or is that not many of us can really understand. so it's a quick to quick stories, it was a december 2000 on the supreme court has ruled that george w. bush did when the election. the recount is over. and vice president gore is scheduled to give his speech to
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the nation. president bush called me before the speech and he said jean, as soon as the speech is done, i would like to call al gore and talk to him. as the evening and i was at home. and as respectfully as i could, i said sir, i'm not sure if you're the person vice president gore needs to hear from tonight. and i'm thinking to hear from anyone named bush and the father the man who just defeated him, i are you sure you want to call him and he said jean, i have been where al gore is night know it is about ready to do not know what he is feeling. so i would like to call and talk to him when he is done. so i told would call the white house operator is that the best way to reach them through the switchboard and that, when he
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cut me out of the middle and he i will call the operator. when speech is done and i love the operators and you don't have to worry about it. so one of the vice presidents speech was very gracious and i'm watching him come out of the eisenhower office in the white house complex and get in the car. and this was on tv and sure enough, i see him pick up the phone. and i am thinking, no no no, that can't possibly be my boss. well, my phone meant rings and it was president bush and gina good just got off the phone without born i think he was thrilled with that called and we had great conversation and i told him that his speech was wonderful and perfect and i think he understood why i called. and he understood that i was where he was and so i did the right thing.
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and you know what warren, i know that he did, i was wrong and he was right. fast-forward - 2008 and it's a wild election year and george w leaves office in the morning after that first democratic debate. and present bush comes into the office and he said jean, get joe biden on the phone. and also chris and i don't like how they were treated at the debate last night. as it will what are you talking about and he said, look at, they were standing on the ends they hardly had any questions. they give all of the questions you hillary clinton, barack obama and they got all of the questions. i joe biden and chris dodd are upstanding, u.s. senators and they deserve to be treated better. this is how i was treating in 1980, i was the man on the end to never get any questions. so once again warren, i said
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don't you think that senator biden and senator dodd will think it's odd that you're calling a republican presidents calling them base and get on the phone. so we did it and had a great conversation with them. and i only tell the stories because there in the book. but it just gives people a little insight and you see the camaraderie that happens behind the scenes who have the shared experiences. and go ahead. warren: and he operated well on the telephone read and his letters were amazing. and it's funny, he's not always great speech maker but you get him in a room with ten people and i think that's why he writes an estate dinner so much because with ten people, he was amazing.
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jean: that is a great point. he was very personable and i do want to go back to the photo of all of the presidents backstage with hurricane harvey, great team of archives to pull that backup read i have to tell a funny story about the night. so this is on a saturday evening, we really didn't even invite the presidents. you sort of fill them as an fyi in case you're in texas and you want to come to this event. and they all came. president obama, president clinton, president carter and when i told the bushes that they were all coming, i never forget this. missus bush said oh dear, we need to give them dinner. were going to have to feed them. and i thought, this is a normal reaction. that's what any wife in america would react to my husband comes
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home and says, have invited some people over for dinner tonight. so we did give them dinner before the event and the funny thing is i will tattletale and two people who i love. i get a call from secretary baker, james baker in assisting, i'm coming to that big harvey event. and they said all of the presidents were coming and i hear that there's a dinner beforehand and i would like to have dinner pretty can i get into the dinner. and yet, president bush said i had a phone you. [laughter] said until secretary baker, i said of course. there's plenty of room for you and susan. so he calls me back and he said jean, cheney is coming and he would like to be that dinner. and he said everyone wants to be at this dinner. and i said did you call and invite company simple maybe because i thought would want to be there. i said fine.
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but you cannot invite anybody else printed there's a table is now full. and you may not call one more time and to say that anyone else is coming. so it was funny and it was a great evening and again a great example of the camaraderie in his people, and we need a woman to be part of this club. warren: that was a great evening, fantastic evening. and there is this, moderate between these men and maybe in more than one day but so far just man. and they have been former presidents and have the shared experiences and run for office, won and lost and for present bush, able to do so much good after he left office. jean: there's such a great resource to the country.
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and i know on january 20 have, this past year when they were all in washington for the inauguration, that you were encouraging the americans to get vaccinated and they are all right now, i'll agree to be honorary chairs of the gala in september and honoring president bush and give the george bush award. so nice of them to do that. my guess we all through video. i really do all come together when the country needs a minister is a great resource. a big fan of the presidents club. they do more ethically, picture of the funeral. president bush, used to laugh and say that we come together at funerals and library openings. is not exactly true. they do a lot more than that.
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but there they all are at the funeral of the national cathedral president bush. and i might add, reducing their is a 43rd president, sitting on the other side of the aisle with his family. but he did manage to slip across before the service began. president george w. bush came over and thank them all for coming i shook their hands and did give michelle obama a met because of the funeral, they started to have this inside thing of this thing that was very sweet. warren: and both of them were breaking up in dc, i think they were sitting next to each other misbehaving. jean: they have a great friendship which is really wonderful. warren: that is nice. so you got a question, even type it into the chat at the univar
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program. i'll be happy to ask jean she wants to do questions. one more thing. when this big 4141 promote, the one that was giving us we did this about ten or 15 years ago. just briefly tell the story present bush just thought it would be a grand idea that after the funeral, and houston that everybody can write up on the train. so talk a little bit about how do you had to explain to him that maybe he wouldn't be having a sandwich. jean: i was embarrassed but this was a funny moment. when plaintiff funeral often on over the years. every once a while we would get out the folder particularly after the president reagan died in he would make changes to his
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funeral plans. president bush loved chinese and he said to me, i would like to take a train from houston, church service in houston and the burial of course of the library, and texas a&m many said, take a train. it would really be perfect because we can all be in the train and we will have lunch. and everybody will be relaxed predict before the burial and he kept talking about it in first person. and i hope y'all don't think i'm disrespectful. when looking him in a sensor, i think that's a great idea and work on that train but you're not going to be on the train and he looked at me and he was always right. i should've got worried he was always right and he said, oh, yes, i will. [laughter] and of course he was. warren: me might not be eating a
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sandwich but he would be on the train. and college station to leave the train back big so we can meet hundred feet up there along with officials from the university but it was amazing. we beat the highway parallel from the railroad tracks there were people all along the railroad tracks with signs that say, god bless you mr. president, thank you and in america love you. it was just amazing and the arrival of the station was just amazing. it was a rainy summer day. and everyone was just come down and suddenly, the band laid the eggy bore him and everybody give a cheer and it was just like a big cut. jean: yes. warren: so here is a question let's good questions if you don't mind. and maybe we can pair off on the
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questions. so something must know, missus bush, you referred to president bush as george bush. in my experience, he actually often times used his nickname so the people who knew george bush when he was young, knew that he had a nickname. and i've heard missus bush offer this. jean: she called him popular poppy. the me see if i can get this straight. it's a present bush's name was george herbert walker bush and he was named for his grandfather's name was george herbert walker and that was his maternal grandfather. when he was growing up, george herbert walker's children all called their dad pop.
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so when little george herbert walker bush comes along, they nicknamed him poppy and started the playoffs with what they call their father so president bush was called poppy, i think warren until he went into the navy almost. and at age 18 after pearl harbor, and he wrote, some in this book, this predates this book, but he wrote that he went off to the navy and found out that poppy was on the good name for a young man in the navy was to be a pilot, navy pilot and he really try to drop the name and moved to texas. and i'm thinking of him writing about no one in texas called poppy the mist bush calls and pop until the very end. it was very sweet. can you quickly, this is a problem for you as well.
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so president bush's name was george herbert walker bush, he went by george bush's entire life. he did not like having names. he sounded a little stuffy. and then, a man named george walker bush was elected president of the united states. that was in 2000 and all of a sudden, yet to president george bush's and laura knows this was a big problem because there's a lot of confusion about who you were talking about. who and huge recommendation to my boston number 41 was the start using his initial because the 43rd president already went by george w bush. to distinguish himself from his father. and my boss was first to go by george hw bush. it really irritated him because
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he did not want to start incorporating his middle name and thank heavens for the brilliant man. i cannot remember who it is now but it's in the book grade and came up with 41 and 43. i know my gosh, he loved being called 41. and it was perfect. warren: that's a great story about that. great portrait have george hw bush and his son george w. bush. and the artist who painted that portrait, and is kind of him accusing, georgia be bush setting by george w. bush and you need to post this way and george bush, i'm 41 and he is 43 and the artist said boy can't call you then and finally got so confusing that he said okay 41 and 43. and it the way to distinguish them. jean: he told me once, chief of staff actually told me that i think it was 43 who called
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president clinton 42 months and that president clinton and made his day and he told his staff, oh my gosh, i'm pretty sure it was 43 who called him without any said he just called me 42 and. now i'm a member of the family. i thought that was very funny. warren: so president bush was bragg's vice president for eight years and is a question her about there were adversaries. and i'm not sure the president bush ever thought he would be picked for the vp. talk about how that relationship grew between the two of them. jean: i should point out and apologize, predates from when i was in president bush's inner circle so i know the answer, i do. it is from being around him for
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25 years. so presidents reagan sorted chose george bush to be his vp candidate in the 11th hour in a 1980 republican convention pretty was not his first choice, and historians among you and will remember it was former president ford was actually his first choice read and they did not work out. so instead it was george bush from texas. the two men became best friends in the timing of this is really perfect because i just had lunch the other day with secretary baker and susan baker and a lot of you might remember the secretary baker was actually present reagan's first white house chief of staff which was amazing considering the fact that james baker ran george bush's campaign in 1980. but i was asking mr. baker about the relationship. i don't know why we started talking about it.
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he said that ronald reagan which is one of the nicest most genuine people you'd ever want to meet. and that he and george bush and of course tingling on the campaign trail that they were able to set aside their differences and figured out they haven't bought more in common than not and they had an amazing relationship for eight years. warren: so here's a question, so why did missus bush let her husband jump out of airplanes. jean: there's a great letter in the book the present bush wrote to his five children about his first parachute jump in his first job and at the beginning of the letter he said i will be telling you tonight after make your favorite drink, a manhattan.
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she's not thrilled and she thought it was a little crazy but i think that one of the things i think she actually thought it was really one of the things that i think made the marriage work is that she knew she could not talk him out of it. she tell this was important to him. so she went along with it and she was very unhappy when he jumped on his 90th birthday. i had a sort of event go up between the two of them and it was sort of interesting without the weather was going to call it off and turned out the weather did not turn it off and i actually called his sons and asked him to intervene and he said jean, talk to mom. dad wants to jump and you need to let them jump. so she was a very good sport but was his 90 birthday parachute jump that she said well, if this
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goes wrong, we'll just carry them in the and have a funeral no president bush told me he was going to jump on his 95th birthday. and i told him that i would not desist him in any way. and he said don't worry about it, i can figure it out all by myself. warren: that last jump was going on a secret i was on a train between new york city and albany i believe and i was doing podcast with the political show and the guy said, do you know present bush is jumping out of a plane today and i said no and the program said to me, is going to jump right now and i said just tell me when he lands on the ground. [laughter] jean: i'm sorry warren, i should've called you. we kept it a secret and this is why. we wanted him to have the opportunity to change his mind. so we didn't tell anyone until the day of because we wanted him to have the chance to say maybe
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i should not jump on my 90th birthday. warren: is apparently a hobby and is gone down for the grandchildren and my understanding is that jenna bush's jumping out of a perfectly good plane also. jean: they love to john, they do. warren: so that's all of the questions we have right now. it was lovely having you. everyone should get the book, it is a great book and a great story and here, the george clooney story and here is just great and there's also a story in here about how president bush determines whether a person is dead or alive which is just and true george bush man, has anybody called him pretty will moser. well anyway, it is a great book. i love having you and i'll get down there and we've got to see each other and have lunch. it. jean: love to have lunch with
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you. i'm your biggest fan and thank you so much and thank you to the national archives for tonight. and read the book, it will help you lead a better life, i really do think that. and you will laugh. warren: and sosebee nonbiased but i think he was a great man and just a wonderful wonderful life post- presidency. i could run home to houston and did nothing but he just said all kinds of good things, he and missus bush both parted and remember her for that are in the foundation thank you jean good night everybody. >> weekends on "c-span2" are an intellectual feast, every saturday, you find events and
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people there restore on sunday, book tv brings you the latest books and authors. his television for serious readers. learn, discover, explore. weekends on "c-span2". ♪ ♪♪ british writer charles dickens is credited with creating some of the world's best known fictional characters. over 2000 for that matter scattered throughout his 14 and have published novels. american authors journalists and politicians often refer to situations of being. jenny hartley emeritus professor at hampton university has published three books on charles dickens for the most recent one titled in very short
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introduction by oxford press. next the professor to tell us about lincoln's life and accomplishments including his two trips to the united states in 1842 and in 1867 pretty. >> author jimmy hartley this episode. listen at or wherever you get the podcasts printed ♪ ♪ ♪♪ >> and we are delighted this evening on a program to welcome michael god. michael dobbs has written a wonderful book called "king richard" and also a journalist formally with the washington post, and is taught at the university of michigan kristin and georgetown. he is going to speak to us this evening for a little bit about his book and we will answer questions later in the book sees me later


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