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affect california and colorado. we have more from the political report in our regional journalists joining us to discuss the issue. this is 25 minutes. >> currently there are 334 million people living in the united states according to the 2020 census figures. they are representing congress by two senators from each of the 58th and that number has been set by law and now at the figures out it's taken into account the population growth in the united states members of new york and pennsylvania and some

like texas and florida are working together. we are looking at the census figures and the redistricting that is ahead, which political party do you see us benefiting the most at this point. >> we are going to have to wait to find that out and that includes the population of 2020, which goes to show that rural america is declining relative to america's cities and suburbs and on the surface that is good news for democrats because after all they are the party doing better in cities and suburbs and the politics haven't changed that much in the last 10 years and so the added diversity, the growth

has not necessarily made the country more favorable to the democrats. they won the white house on the popular margins in 2020 that they did in 2012. the more important part of this is how lines are drawn from state to state and they get to draw the map, 20 states totaling 187 districts. that is because the legislatures for the most part are the ones who have responsibility compared to 75 just irks in eight states that they control. so they get to draw more than twice as many districts as democrats. there are also 10 states the use of independent or bipartisan commission that total 121 districts in six states with a split between the legislature of one party and a governor of the other and said that as of 246 districts. and then there are six states that only have one district in the upcoming decade and don't

need to divide the states. well, six of them are gaining members of congress, florida, montana, colorado, seven states are losing a member of congress, ohio, illinois and other states as well. and do they take the politics with them? are they moving out of frustration? >> we are increasingly hearing of voters that are throwing their hands up in the air with the state becoming inhospitable for their political beliefs. now it takes a lot of rigorous research to determine the size and that affects and how blue or red state becomes. and what we know is that over

time as voters choose to live in places that are politically more comfortable, those that are independent voters that are leaning more towards whichever party is dominant because of this echo chamber effect, whether it is social media or a predominant feeling in the community, we are seeing more and more geographic polarization and that plays into reject the redistricting and a big way. every precinct that was 5050 between the party it would be impossible for partisans to do that too heavily red or blue districts and imagine the state that has become heavily polarized between blue urban and red rural areas and it's easier than ever to essentially compartmentalize democrats and republicans into districts where

the outcomes are preordained. we can't be sure which party. so which matters more, geography or demographics? >> and this is on a net basis in the last 10 years. and republicans in a lot of places will try to pack democratic votes into a small number of districts to maximize the republican opportunities in

these democratic votes are concentrated in overwhelmingly in blue cities like madison and milwaukee. even if you draw a map that is compact and even a partisan end when you look at a composed congressional district map, what are three things that you look forward immediately. >> multiple analysts and they are talking about totally different conclusions when i'm

looking for is how much blue or red are the seeds getting versus and one thing that surprising is that there is no constitutional requirement if someone gets out of their congressional district they can still file for a different seat and run in a more favorable district. so how does this score over the

years they have evaluated how it compares to it has gained traction and this is a very complex situation and has a lot of different interlocking trade-offs and consideration. >> western states are changing

this, 2-1, joe biden, let's start with the joe biden states, oregon and colorado. in oregon is gaining a six districts. republicans want to draw some additional competitive districts in the states and the other states were very competitive and we can be sure we can be sure how this will play out is to.

and in colorado is a new commission state and colorado is gaining in eighth district the democratdemocrat s are hoping to expand advantage 5-3 and that would give them an opportunity to win a couple of highly competitive districts and it does prioritize competitiveness. and they feel that if they have a good year, they do feel that

they could win a majority of seats. >> this is with colorado public radio. where is the population in colorado right now? 3. [inaudible] how is the process in colorado? [inaudible]

we are facilitating voters of every kind, so for the first time they don't have to be worried about that. [inaudible] >> she's with colorado public radio. 40 million people live in california and for the first time ever they are losing their congressional seat. >> california has not kept up with population growth.

and most of that has been has been a part of this. and so they have some redistricting which includes a number of democrats and republicans as well it's definitely important to the project the redistricting, everything that they are undertaking with all the permission and as a result, neither party can be sure whether the lines will advantage or disadvantage them.

the thing is is that we are watching in the central valley of california and there will be a push to add several more districts and because they picked him up in the last election ipo, they occupy the territory. so if some of those districts did it more blue or red, that could alter the strategy. >> is governor newsom have any role in this redistricting? >> they do not.

democrats would otherwise control the process if commissions didn't have that authority. so california, virginia, colorado, blue states where if democrats held a redistricting 10, they could gerrymander this to counteract the state republican control such as texas and florida and north carolina. we need to cut down and districts. >> it is a little bit early to say, but what we know that it is

compared to the rest of the state and population growth as well and making sure that any changes we make need to be part of the voting act requirements and that is a big one. >> without drawing the maps in california the commissioners made up of people from different backgrounds, community leaders and state employees and industry executives and the light.

>> do they have a role in the redistricting? >> we have to make sure that it's not influenced by private interests and that is something that we have a recent article talking about everyone that is able to be put into a process in the commission and sometimes it can creep into that public input. and the what we talked about is what level is needed for the commission to make them draw the map. >> so what are you hearing from democrats and republicans at this time as this process moves

forward? >> i have been looking at him of the data and there is a lot of the area that is unchanged because of the population. >> what else do you think about the california-based newsgroup? >> they focus on politics and policy. >> 40 million people live in california, 53 current congressional districts going down to 52, being decided by an independent commission. thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> "washington journal",

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