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crafted the third edition it in the rain science classic it, "waves and beaches" the powerful dynamic of the sea and the coast and samantha is an expert in emergency management a arrhythm, distant and disasters and climate crisis and give the start with you, you spent years at city including it in a remote region, very interesting but first, the first division of this book was originally presented in the 1960s, a mentor of yours if i am not mistaken. >> how this affected your early career and now you formed a relationship with him later inor life pretty. >> thank you for having me, in the late '90s, although the first edition of the "waves and beaches" was in graduate school when i'm studying cueva dynamics and it got me early on and

likely the first real job i had an ocean order and oceanography, is a talented guy a new presided all sorts of wonderful things and you can read about a. >> and headed you reach him. >> the pirates associating meeting is where i met him in san diego in the late '90s and he wasas talking about getting a brother jonathan and after this first edition of "waves and beaches" and he said i'm not really interested in these modern rocks with golden stuff, i like the aging ones in this where the nations history is. >> interesting and did you ever think that you would be forming a relationship with this guy who wrote such a classic text that informed your early life.

>> know that all, we used to meet once a week or so after we met at the pirates interactions, we would meet a few times a week and he would give anything to read and it sort of like a father the son homework kind of thing and after a year or two he handed me a copy of the second addition of "waves and beaches" and eason can read this and tell me what it means. and it this book what it means and so i did and that is my edits if you will and here we are 20 years later. >> i was arguing that spinning with him before he passed away. >> a couple of years we interacted pretty well, a lot of things but i know his whole family and every generation that

little great-grandchild islam involved the with the family still. and it was sort of like a father-son thing, is about 35 years or so older than me and he died in the year 2000, and if so the efforts of doing this sort of was mute for a while because it best way that he had received the rights back prior to his death and his daughter demetria asked me if i wanted to do a third edition and i said to and i would be honored to do it and it was for the first five years, it was a back-and-forth and quietly hooked up with a publisher nevertheless five years, he felt very substantial change in for the third edition of "waves and beaches".

>> it seems like this is almost a new work of art here that you have created and i am wondering, who did the design because the book "waves and beaches", the third edition here, the heart and this thing is just gorgeous and the pictures are amazing and who put allt that together. >> will some of those, the diagrams and figures are modern versions of his earlier drawings that he did himself, he actually drew them himself, from black and white and myself and christina, and another person, turns us all into stuff and then myself and christina and another person, the picture editor decided on all of the picture so i was involved in every aspect

of the book and diagrams, some of them are my original ones and images so it's really merging it of his experience and my experience of the last 70 years and he started about in 1946. >> yes it really is a gorgeous book to holden and even just to look through it is quite remarkable in thinking that you deliver good job on v this third edition. >> so this can quickly to samantha, you or your book draws heavily on you personally experience right, notably time spent in post- katrina new orleans it istr a teenager can u tell us about how those experiences informed your career path and what drew you to the places that are suffering from disasters like this. >> yeah so think you for having me and as i mentioned a month i

did work in post- christina and i grew up in maine but i had gone down to see a disaster of flooding and did just volunteer work when i got there it was completely blown away by the scale of the destruction there and i had never seen anything close to it before. and i was really struck by how many people would need to be involved in the recovery and have any needs are unmet throughout the city and particularly in certain neighborhood this and so i ended up moving to new york lanes doing it all kinds of recovery work in the o city. and then i ended up being there when the disaster happened and so we went to the coast to help with response and recovery in a kind of than a path to finding a

these other disasters inhabiting around the country and startinga to find a lot of similarities between the challenges i'm coming up in these events and let me to the patent going to grab in school to learn about what research does about these disasters and how we should managege them. that led me to the work i do now in teaching and researching and speaking publicly about disasters and what we can do to make these events the better. >> and you do a lot of different things, teaching and so you were just for the book of congress recently and what is the like and it seems like your work is moree, relevant now than ever ad do you are you feeling that personally. >> insight, i do not think much and yes, i've been very fortunate to be able to take on

these things and being in a position to share research, but only my research but to share a great depth of research from other disaster researchers decades past and from all of the world and really talk to local communities and local community organizations about how that research may affect the work they are doing in their own communities also work with managers to see other research can help them and also unfortunate to have the opportunity to be able to talk with television makers about these elected officials to try to again and see what we can do to influence our emergency policies and make it more effective and down the path towards disaster justice. >> unit such great work in a sense and very overwhelming and do you feel like that is

something that chose you or you chose it with his line of work. >> is a great question, probably within 24 hours i knew that i was going to do disaster working in it was when i should be doing and pass the path of writing this book, on different elements of disaster and really that kind of make a lot of sense and i will say that when i was in new not have anyd msense of anything related to disasters and i was very focused just really viewing it is kind and this one off kind of wheezy thing that happened rather than being the product of all of these policy decisions many

minute not necessarily connecting that to the climate change and decisions and actually what would that look like and certainly, the path for me like exactly what that was. is somethinge that's been rewarding and very happy with this or does it feel frustrating at times. >> it is really frustrating constantly and there are disasters that are happening are the world and the decisions made, the wrong decision, and you see a policy not be implemented that should be in you see the destruction it comes with these disasters and is endlessly frustrating it but at the same time, we know what to do to make a matter what kind of policy changes that we needed we know what we found in the local

level state level federal level and it really is a matter of actually getting these policies implemented. ii am hopeful that there are moe disasters happening around the i believeountry that that we are paying more attention to it to this i am hopeful that in the near future that there will be a movement on how we think about it and how we react to it. >> and really interested in in this disaster country in the disaster relief and what goes wrong case after case in your really making the subparts and how so many people fall through the cracks in these efforts. >> thank you yes, that was a goal for me for writing this book is to provide a framework on how people can think about disasters rather than just

having as reactive and respond them, how can you protect the tragedyr from happening to megan with that, through climate change, going back to you kim, you really kind of spiced this often this latest version of this classic, the climate events in the disasters over the last few decades andca can you tell s how the original text which involvement a lot of scientific diagrams and explanations about how the "waves and beaches" work basically from a scientific perspective and can you tell us how that informs the climate events related to oceans that we are saying today and why supported two packages altogether. >> i think what samantha covers from a disaster management aspect, and what "waves and beaches" covers from what causes

the waves and storm surges in the water intrusion, so "waves and beaches" looks at it from a causal vantage point and provides a few topical suggestions on what to do but i believe samantha, you talk about the horizons thatt the disasters in the gulf of mexico, to show the complexity of that and because of exposure and other things in the jurisdiction is super complex for that, korea, british company, bp founded by connie operating in u.s. waters plays into the marshall islands in south who has control to manage that disaster, it was a disaster of disaster management is so wer see that, there is no singular equation to the sea

level rise, it's like a leak in your roof and eventually, the beams are rotting and then your roof is rotting and then furnitureyo then you're saying i can't keep buying new furniture. so miami princesses philly entrance $25 million of the next time you to some pumps and you know, management of keeping the saltwater out of while the drinking water and other things but in san diego, i have all source of coastal structures, and indonesia is dealing with relocating the capitol of the country because they been battling the sea level rise for 20 plus years. in the belmar, i think were joshua and i say, train tracks, they are falling in and it will take several billion dollars to reroute it so it who will pay for that soon a happens that

samantha has described implemented, they've not even been thought of really and how do you account for all of that and countries like the net in the netherlands, have stand an excellent t job and "waves and beaches" looks at the causal how the waves are made in interact with the land but what samantha does is really describing the or how the humans interact in a policy manner and touch on policy a little bit. >> yes we should mention that here in california, we can't stop talking about theno wildfis is a dominant natural disaster but in the southeast, flooding is a big issue and we do have a with the belmar cliffs and what we will do about that in person will have to be money apace to realign the train tracks there.

these are the issues we are dealing with now across the country. >> and is not just well "waves and beaches" is like the physics of the ocean waves and reactions but remember, part of the earth part, interact with the physical structure so how healthy the sand supply is from upstream whether or not the watershed is getting enough water to move towards the coast and it is really connected, sort of halibut the seabass and whether it's adequate nutrients going into theth ocean to satisfy the sardines which in turn you know the larger fish eat and so really really connected when natural environment is just part of the process. >> is frightening that both of these books are great readings for particularly elected officials and decision-makers who have to often come at this

from a perspective to make important decisions based on their understanding of science in both of these books are accessible to a large degree now people have to make these tough choices. >> "waves and beaches" has about a hundred and 50 references and ten action plans referenced and over a a thousand pages of references. >> yes, you really have kind of jazzed up with this textbook to begin with. >> i tried to do that. >> will yes while none and can you give us will you been all around him all around the world and ships and can you give us a personal story of seeing the impact of the climate change and what have you seen firsthand.

>> with statute. >> why did it eight trips to the to the antarctic and what first went to the arctic and it was 1980, was coast of greenland, not accessible since the 1840s, in a matter fact last week there went there died pretty. >> they got stuck in the ice and try to work out and they all died and then we were the first group to go over there in 1980 and then now, four years later, cruise ships go up into that area and the ice has diminished and from the south and antarctica, the penguin species who have been there for 5000 years, are being replaced by warmer species of penguin this

and so there are bones and stuff like that that you can carbon date to get an idea which species, 5000 years so rather than will these are visible changes. >> the kelp forests are burning and it is really diminished in southern california, and finding kelp there so okay, that is fine but the whole ecosystem with kelp ecosystem, is a mostly collapsing a bit messily under stress and remember, heat waves in the ocean as well and these are five - 10 degrees warmer than normal so all of these ocean is getting stressed and most people live on land they've never been to see what i went

swimming two days agogo in the ocean and itin was great and gog again after the showroom spending time there and is super warm, it is great. >> anybody lives in san diego knows the beaches have been warmer. samantha, tell me is 70 disasters in your book, but as you'd you want the reader to take away from this like what he wants people to really walk away from this understanding butter. >> i think the biggest thing is that all these disasters that happened on salamanca trainer and hurricane and maria and i talk about repetitive on the coast of maine and i talk about my experience in north dakota.

so the disasters on their own, and service they really have many more similarities than they do differences and i i think tht sometimes when you live some places the experiences of the disaster or you're in an area that has this repetitive things that you see again and i can, and based on what is happening in your community is really really unique and the only one experiencing it on i hope this is demonstrate actually a lot of people are having the same experience which on one hand is terrible but inn the editor at admin on the internet means that there are bigger policy changes we can do in the form of this thing that we can talk about national policy changes that have an effect at level we don't

need to go to unity community making these all small policy changes and frankly given that urgency and situation we are in right now, we don't necessarily have time to do that so hopefully this book demonstrates and shows people that you are not i alone in your community ad other people are experiencing this i hope it inspires local groups to reach out to people across the country start working together. love your changes to our emergency management policies really ultimately to demonstrate that disasters are not inevitable and even given a i'm working with the climate change and given the decades of decisions that have been made them so things that we can do to prevent the disasters from happening.

>> what would be your top prescriptions and what can we do to scale up the disaster relief in the united states. >> for going to go at a national level, obviously there needs to be a lot of focus on emergency management agency, currently fema is agency within the department of homeland security, post 911 and dhs and we are turning it to independent cabinet level agency, is kind of disaster researchers number one policy conversation and fast that we really need to be talking about going to the emergency management systems across the country. every community has an emergency manager in ages or agency in some form but in most places, special in rural communities, yu

haven't an emergency manager he was kind of fumbling as a fire chief and. [inaudible]. >> this needs to happen it really growing in that capacity in hiring people and increasing the funding on the local emergency management agency would be huge in aiding the local communities but even doing things like apply for grants through the federal government, and during those adaptation project, they need to be doing this in their communities. >> i think we will see a lot more resiliency for they call it, resiliency zork adaptations strategies going forward and a lot of with the city's have over the last five years, started figure out how they can trace

their carbon footprints and most of the money is going to developing climate action plans and etc. but i think what will happen is we will realize the effects of the climate change are really hitting his heart at home and we are going have to spend the money on trying to figure out how to live in a warmer climate. >> exactly, we are unfortunately at the point where we did not act quickly enough on climate handedma now we are dealing with the repercussions and they're still things that we can we have to do to prevent climate change from getting worse but we are experiencing thein consequences now we cannot forget those communities are the frontlines of these climate crisis and we also have to understand it that not only the climate change that is causing it is, it is development and vulnerability in all of these decades and decades of policy decisions that kind of

come together and let us to where the place we are at now and absolutely hope you are right and there's going to be adaptation it and i really hope as well thatt as we start focusing on climate adaptation that we recognize that emergency managers have been doing essentially that for a very long time in terms of mitigation. and we have been buying out the homes for decades and we talk about retreat week one of the making sure that we are not completely reinvesting the really using the knowledge and experiences that we do have in the management and applied to this kind of climate adaptation. >> do you have any thoughts kim on now san diego can prepare for the upcoming heat waves and sea level rise. >> will understanding it the

mechanisms, the phenomenon that created the disasters i think that is fundamental or potentially creating one, in the netherlands, they had terrible thing in the 50s, the finger in the dike kind of thing and then they realized thousands of people died there then took a national policy. and echo off of what samantha said, we need a national policy to approach these problems because climate change is not just a local issue, is an international global and we live in a globalized climate and world of economically and it cannot disassociate what is happening and of course in china or any notion it without knocking and icing it that if something happens there, it will change your insurance rates and the cost of your goodness. so here in san diego, it has a

problem it won't be around anymore and how will we do without and i hope the building there is on stilts because nothing is going to will believe things long-term is much better, that is the most cost-effective way for anything so instead of putting a patch on the road, and six months or a year later, it is falling apart and coastal structures need to be approach that way in a message should be withstand the structural requirements of 100 years but also anticipated climate change that almost certainly will be a thing at the limits of what they think they are now. >> in the one of the most controversial or highest topics is the use of seat walls to try to protect property and

infrastructure along the coast andfr of course, that means it that your basically doing away with the beach in those areas what you think licia sewall. >> is sort of a approach because just like the upstream the sand money and answering, they did management, go figure. they need to recognize the fitting of a sewall somewhere, and regard for the entity right behind the sea wall but in lesser doing something gigantic, the national policy, those patches on the little coastal portions of the land, they are not going to do much in 40 percent of the land in san diego and la, that have sea walls are concrete, all that is

going to but it is still going to go around it like the patches and then it will fall into the ocean and san francisco is a very good example within the coastal part of that down 40 or 50 feet and you can see those hanging off into free space and so you have to recognize and in you should not put them in areas that are in harm's way and as samantha mentioned you can buy a house and for the real estate, and a national level and you see the damage because what was hurricane katrina, 500 million or something like that and he can spend 15 million and keep it from happening is much better than having it billion dollars in reserve for a disaster. so it is anticipating an understanding the phenomenon

that creates disasters and this can be mitigated approaching the long-term approach and cannot be mitigated, just retreat. >> well importing topics and corrected the third edition of the scientific classic, "waves and beaches" and i just want to say that again, how this book is gorgeous and anyone out there, definitely should just get this to look at it and also read it of course and samantha, on disasterology and the frontlines of the climate crisis and this is a master thing and what is going wrong with a disaster response over the last 20 years and thank you so much for being with us and we appreciated into the audience at thehe reagan purchased ev and either of these

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