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and featuring extensive conversations about live and work. and many other features are available online. check it out with the mobile app. 3 american history tv continues now at this time. you can find the full schedule at c-span.org/history. >> the center of history explores how and why things happen. we seem to be familiar with many facets. we seek out the history of the american revolution and its it's more than just the eyewitness accounts that construct the system. many of those are fully available and the original words i'm reading should serve as a revelation and can be found at founders online. part of the national archives
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through the records commission. schools across america, looking back nearly 250 years, ther american revolution and its outcome can appear in history books. great britain required many facets of life. it covers americans and african-americans and religious dissenters and also focuses on often overlooked factors such as geography. we jump from july 4, 1776, to the provost first presidency of washington. it giveses us a fresh step in te revolution with many people up and down the special spectrum of
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social life. this is our professor from the university of south carolina who specializes in the american revolution. e the second is the origins of the constitution is a finalist for the national book award. joining us now is the assistant professor at theni university of south carolina where she was also the director of the public history president. and a faculty associate and african-american studies at the international institute. and that includes everyone, we thank you for joining us today. >> you are welcome, thank you for joining us today. i am here and i'm really excited
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to talk about this new book in the american revolution. and it's a claim in this book about the influences on the american revolution. the hidden influences. so i'm here to talk about that. and anyone can start off talking first about the different group that you highlight in this narrative. thisishi incredibly gracious narrative, as you have turned, this hidden history. jumping right into it. what are some of these major influences and why have they come to shape your research so heavily? >> i have a lot of reasons to be proud of. but the fact that b we have some
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who can have a conversation like this is really cool. and i really love to talk about the facts. so some of the things that i am talked about regarding writing about the continent, those that call themselves the continental congress as well and the americans of that time and they have significance to get the revolution started. i have actually argued that they won the war in the west. now, one in five people in the colonies that rebelled were often american and also they hugely influence the u revolutin iand i argued that if it had nt been for some of those things that they were up to, some may never have come to the south. this includes the great wealth of north america and a lot of
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the people in the colonies and the state of virginia. so i think that when it comes t americans in terms of this, it began to influence them positively and negatively both. so that is another thing that we need to consider. so when it comes to all ranks and raises because they always do and that includes the continental army and maybe we will talk a little bit about the work on that, but also marybeth norton wrote about this as well. hector read in pennsylvania.
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you are going to be able to discover not only george washington but others. the big picture includes all peoples including the native americans at that time. >> we definitely want to talk about all of these aspects. but really let's start with this view in the way that you open tt the book. this compelling map that shows the continent as being an indigenous place. and i do think that i am really compelled with how you say is how you set your book and what is known as the international
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war and the seven years war. can you tell us exactly why you achose to highlight or centrale the continent and why it is still the focus on starting this history with the conflict with what we have hired. >> putting up that map, as nicole was talking about. i just decided to talk about how the revolution happened and when wewh have the comments there, we were asking the wrong question because there was a sense in the parliament and there are people
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in power, george washington, thomas jefferson. they were satisfied with their role in the british empire and its these guys that also comment who were dissatisfied and so i think that that is something that leads us to discuss about the times and things that have not changed that time and part of the comments and how they present certain things as well. and that includes the next line which shows what nicole was talking about and as nicole pointed out and i did as well it
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is still occupied by native americans and i base this primarily on a scholar and when it comes to this and when it comes to other native relations and one thing that i had wanted to.out was that there are boundaries between those native nations. and they still have that out there somewhere and it's only the words on the map and not just theel boundaries.
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and that is covered in two phases of the book. but it alsoo talks about the native territories in the book and the continental revolutions. so maybe charlestown would be an example, charleston and other towns of influence, some of them in the vast majority of them. so just that presence that is really important. and why the revolution happened and then you still have to go with it because of this huge role that they played. to answer your question about that, one role that they played
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and that leads the british to draw a line along the steps of the appalachian mountains. we can actually see the shady area. the british government, as you can see. also from the aspect of george washington and thomas jefferson, you can't just go into this area, you have to stay in this light area. and it also happened in this way. so you can actually understand why the british did that. the british had just finished the nine year war that we called the seven-year war against the french and the spanish and almost alle that you see here ws part of the exception.
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and of courseou the british has one and that includes doubling up on what is going on. british officials and parliament understand and that includes increasing the possibility of going to war with the native americans in there something else to take your hat off to you
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and that is also to enforce the proclamation. that includes keeping indian relations intact and the british government made a pivotal decision in december 1762. andbe that was that the war is over, that there was a time of treaty. that the war was over in december 1762. which is basically they have fought the war and ready to w return home. but the british government decided to leave 10,000 soldiers in north america as basically peacekeeping troops. and so this is a contender and this one was done at the prime. there are rectangles regardingen
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this document when it comes to the library of congress and that includes the peacekeeping as well. doing well to keep those piece ties. and also how do you pay for that. that is one thing that the british parliament began to tax in 1765. as well as link taxes on those in order to come up with the money to fund the 10,000 troops. so a lot of the textbooks that i had learned on tell us this.
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and that includes paying off the big debt. and that is just not true. that includes the modern political rhetoric and that includes building that human flaw and to make the congress pay foror it. and that may not have happened ihad we not been completely afr the element.
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and that is why we have to start in terms of this, making the comments earlier in the american economists were trading with the enemy. which because it is important because the white colonists were doing all sorts of things that infuriated the british parliament during the french and tindian war. and they couldn't do anything about these things. they couldn't win the war without the british and americans on the ground with most of the fighting. and there is a bit of tension when it comes to balloons
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rolling up exactly what had happened. and now we can talk about this and analyze it and that includes from a social aspect, and the soldiers influenced as well. so i think that i would maybe go so far as to say no indians, no stamp act. so something you had heard o ofs heavily influenced by the context but something not in the context that is generally called the revolution. so back to this moment. when you say that all of the islands had sank into the sea andea that includes this
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connection. the big actions of with this war, an important image that we have in reaction to the congress. as we had said.fo they thought that they were going to get something out of this. they thought that they would be able to get this going based upon this being betrayed. because they were indeed curtailing certain efforts. and that's really at the heart of it. and i do think that in some ways and it really does include how it doesn't feel like it's been so long.
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and that includes the african-americans in the war, we need to have a discussion on this,ly obviously of the history of improvements and the founding american, of course and it can't be a part of that.
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and they are talking about the 13 colonies, they are talking about 26 in this preference of people. it is so incredibly important. >> many people watching this on youtube will say well. they have 13, but as was mentioned britain was alone in 1776, trouble in canada, nova scotia and that includes what nicole has already mentioned as well.
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and that is the number one cross growing upp in america, mostly n north america and that was not the number one thing that was the crop, sugarcane was. and that's where you get more accurate than not when it comes to making wrong. so the big early industry in north america in the city, it is a big industry and that includes sugarcane in the caribbean. and it is a reminder and an icon and people were built on that as
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well. and so it just is dependent upon how newo york is including from virginia on up and that includes the labor who is producing the molasses and the market. and that includes the catholic countries where they are not allowed to refuge. and economically we cann stop there and they cannot name the
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colony. and that includes livestock that they were sending down to the caribbean. so i think that they have become hugely significant and that includes the process of the revolution and it is a reminder to me that we havee to talk and it's not a decision that somebody made one day. you start asking why did they start to rebel, it's a bit to rebel trying to have the territorial aspects of that and then for me, like it is even a part of this and then all of
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those cases it is parliament that wants change. and all of the colonist one is there change where they want to go back to the way things were. one of the big questions is and its arteries about the massive change in which they are discussing this year. and so what turned the colonists -- and just like with barbara streisand and her song. some nostalgia,ro really. wanting to separate. and here is the thing, what
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makes them continue into independence, and that includes which we correctly think of and that was kind of a runoff in that way. but two people were killed and many suffered many more in so many new englanders included that and they got rid of that and they were impacted as well. so it's kind of rational speculations about how you can get back the good times that we had in getting back to the good old days and that includes the biggest factor in new england.
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so that is the question of this and i would say it has done more than the answer patient proclamation. aand in 1775 he was massively outnumbered. there were two lights in virginia and the vast majority of free people in virginia they weren't ready for independence yet and they were trying to encourage it. and so he is outnumbered but he doesn't have to be outnumbered because 30% of virginians were enslaved at that time. it's important to remember at that time that they had a black
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majority and demographically we know as well as economically this is part of it. but also politically. because here's what happened. in november 1775, 4 score and seven years befores abraham lincoln issued the emancipation proclamation. very outnumbered, desperate for soldiers on his side. telling black men, anybody able and willing to bear arms. and that includes the majority of the american government, the slight majority but still also a lot of men who are carrying
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muskets and something like 800 joining in within the first few months and they have a lot of differences and there are a lot of similarities as well with the proclamation and with lincoln. we are talking about the issue that makes this proclamation and he had slaves himself. so this was not a humanitarian gesture, just as it was a division. and that is how he kind of wanted to -- there was a war on. and so it was because of labor. the third thing that i would qualify about that is independence.
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excited domestic intervention. and that includes a way that they stirred up slaves. but the third thing i want to talk about regarding the national archives and the declaration of independence that is effective today. the declaration of independence under one point because it was not the greatest to stir up the slaves. so if we look at the chronology it is part of it. because somewhere in there in november 1775. and that includes starting to notice this as well the white majority and the white patriots majority invi that gap and that
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includes james madison as well and that includes and that includes today and tomorrow and and that includes that we played this card and they said when it comes to this we have to clear this for the slaves and down to williamsburg and what was going on there as well. but he is threatening to do it
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as well. and that includes not from the governor's panel as well. and we want to be free. and what did he do? he turned them away. and that includes them alsond keeping coming and it is really leaving him up to it rather than it is what virginia said.
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we need to talk about that as well. that includes how they were peers and it was lined out in the declaration of independence. and of course there was a british empire and a important part of the declaration of independence. >> talking about the declaration thendependence and some of more eye-opening things that you have talked about in the declaration, also thinking about how we remember the declaration and then also people are focusing on life in the pursuit of happyness. being pulled out and it's not
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just that but everything. it became popularized and that includes the true thoughts and what also happened as well. so let's go to this and before that in terms of 1776 and the way that things part of that. and here is the provocative show as well.
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and that includes object relation of independence as well. and that includes the french waters of 1776. and that is part of it and when it comes back to this. they are finally declaring this with the citizens of 1776, the record is clear and we need to get them to come into the war on their side and they didn't have much equipment, especially not much gunpowder. and a that includes they are saying if we can continue this,
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fighting battles for us, by the end of this. you can get this going. and so on july 2 this is something else on july 4. because it is significant as a goal. and in fact until february 1778. and it's also part of what happened when it came to the failure of that plan. so most people who created the declaration passed over that.
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and the right americans at that time today. it was then in a strategic role that has been justified in this way. and then the majority of the people were part of the declaration of independence and now when it comes to white lives and black lives, the majority of people who were a part of this in 17761779, those majority of
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people, black as well as white, were abolitionist in their views. so it's no longer mostly thought of as something of the moment when it comes to this one a declaration of human rights is talked about. and first, the evolution that we talked about, we have turned it into this document that it is right now. >> you know, i am very intrigued by another situation in the book. and we didn't even know, and you opened the book back up. general washington, in
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cambridge, we have talked about them fighting on the same side. so where did you come out of this. >> well, when it comes to this i'm not going to come back in this way. the first year ofye the war, hes a great manager and it is part of the large-scale in place, hundreds of people in terms of this with a strategist with others and not all. it was terrible and he was stuck and he was all about and being a
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part of this. this idea, you have to think of the very next one. the british colonists other than washington. that has been a real advantage. at the very first is part of this and when it comes to the next one as well. and there they are. it is part of this as well. and they captured the hill and accost them 50% in the manly command of the troops said
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afterwards and wanted the americans do? they went on to the next one. and that'sat going to cause some casualties this guy that is going to be a part of this for most of the war. and there are others as well with the commander-in-chief allowing the same conclusion. they understand that they had to hide behind thiss as well and that includes if you are an open field and this is i don't know
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if anybody understood that the americans understood about how if they don't become aggressive this could be very detrimental. and a lot of them cannot stand that. aggressive in that sense that they had to be doing something. the boston area and many people are watching this as well and they are barely connected to the mainland.
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and that includes the watch of 1776. and that includes chasing the british out of boston and that includes the appointment because he didn't want them to walk away from a fight. he wanted to fight them and that includes boston. and that includes talking about the american troops and why they are doing that why they took the approach as they did. and so cambridge would do that,o
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undergraduate school is where he attended. they had a thousand american troops over there ready to go across the river in an amphibious attack. this would've been the dj of washington. and washington himse as well. he said and he talked about this. these are his words. how they have had barricades and they had house to house streetfighting and that even he said had they carried out with aggressive planet would've been a disaster and it would've been quite bad. but the fact was he kept making aggressive planning in th iteration of what he called his
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plans. in 1776 with thee british. it really turned into quite the situation. and after the war then they were able to look back at it. but he never did. it was a disaster with him. he had his chance to do it back in boston. so i think he had some plans and he was concealing them. had he done this that includes telling them about him being a
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general. actually he became a great general. and so that was really important. the contribution was part of this. >> yes, if you get this, this is so compelling. if you think about this it is portrayed as this revolution that people are surprised. but it makes it seem like that it is nearly unwinnable against the british. in the outcome out there as well this is a very proud guy.
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part of the mentality and that guy is part of the law. but for me it didn't allow people to may or may not have been a part of this for him and so again disappointing him by leaving and he learned those lessons as well. >> i want to get back to the incredible contributions and
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that includes the people that we talk about with the revolution and it begins in the context of the moment with what we have been talking about here and that includes and that includes the military history as well. >> yes, and as you know that includes an industrious when and
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they made their winning battles. and i would like to just start with also something that is stunning to me. when it comes to the army, you know, we have to think about how this was handled and there was a laundress that saved lives. i mean, the number of guys on the american side that got shot and they died in the revolutionary war was about 7000. many of those died in three days at gettysburg. but like all warriors as well these numbers, the big numbers have been released. so after george washington --
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not just that. when it comes to what this is when it comes to the spread of life. we really have to consider that and what washingtonn said. so we start with what was asked and how it was handled significantly. and then you end up with -- and now is a great time to talk about it. and today there is an american
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research project on a man that operated a cannon. and he was shot down by enemy fire. so his wife took over and ran that job for him. and so she came up and took his place. she got a great deal of accolades and attention. and there were also other women as well. there were lots of women that were widowed, but also that stepped up. there were the women that really did stand up for their country
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the best of their ability. >> you know, yes, this is so true and this is such cohesive stuff and the narrative that comes out, the everyday lives that come out. this makes such a difference with early history of this moment that we think that we know. it is very compelling. and we do have an audience question coming in. and we also have a request to talk about the québec act. can you give us some insight on that? >> yes, i sure can. and also if you take a look at the images, the second image there that we have up. this is important because on the one hand it is very important.
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there wasn't much there for independence but it is important to the independents. the different colonies got madin at different things the british were doing at different times. so to try to go out along the roads, new york included, declaring independence from jul. so they do come along and sign eventually. even if they weren't ready quite at the beginning. so yes, there were some stragglers although there were some forerunners, and then a few things that the british did that were truly ultimately unifying acts. and one of those was against all of the free colonists. it was seen as an establishment
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in québec. i have to admire the british government, allowing a captain in québec continue but burton very much applies about the country and they contact can tax themselves to pay for the church. and that includes in canada the catholic church and there was a certain power of god that allowed them to have this and go
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back. they were humiliated in terms of new england. and so it means purifying any catholic refugees. they were vigilant for catholics. they were furious that the catholics were part of this in a political way. and that includes and that includes 1874 and the act that took place there. all of the land and the rest of the ohio river and he was a
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leader of a revolution and he is a land speculator. and that includes what happened in québec as well. that really cut the legs off of speculators for that way. so it was technically quite effective. >> there are many things to talk about in terms of debate when it comes to winning the war. >> when it comes to this there are two images and one of them
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is part of this as well. one of them is an asset and encompasses the whole thing and and when it comes to this, when they talk about this earlier on. they have lost it, spiting the british in an open way. and how dumb would they be in this way. like why do you cross the river and it's like okay, i don't have time. they said i deliberately did not
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cross the river and that is my militia. and so i forced my hand to fight. backing them up against the red river. and so helping them win the battle, they have come so far. here is an un-doctored photo and we see the green circle at the bottom. and you see the north carolina and the south carolina line. and alsoo this river is actually 5 miles away. and that includes everybody makes it seem like they are right behind the line and this is what general morgan said. so when you penetrate this, this
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is really unfair. and today we are talking about this today and we can fix that. >> is so fantastic. we can see if you make these types of questions and how they have it come alive. thank you so much. this book and this fascinating read. i cannot put it down and i really highlyen encourage everyo and it really is wonderful and i thank you so much for these stories and in this moment. also in a way that is engaging and controlling as well.
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