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12:58 pm television . television for serious readers. weekends on c-span2 are an intellectual feast. every saturday american history tv documents america's stories, and on sundays booktv brings you the latest in nonfiction books and authors. funding for c-span2 come from these television companies and more including midscale. ♪ -- midco. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> midco, along with these television companies, , supports c-span2 as a public service. >> so great to see you again. >> is great that you can. please,. >> we talk about your book american reboot -- "american
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reboot: an idealist's guide to getting big things done." why did you write this book? >> look, i wrote this book, i didn't think is going to write the book. i had some approach me and said if he thought about writing a book? i said no. and he said, well if you were going to write a book what would it be about? and i thought when i was in congress, the things that i tried to talk about where the things i thought were important in order for the country to move forward and evolve. that's not always the the things reflect and social media or an cable news. when i thought hey, this is, the concept is those what i consider to be five generational defining challenges that are going to prevent america from being the leader of the rest of the city, that was the framework of why, how they came up with the idea. that ultimately i started putting pen to paper because 72% of the country thinks the
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country is on the wrong track. this is a number that has been growing over the years. we cannot sustain the past that we are on. and we had to do something different. this is why i start the book out, the chapter is called get off the x. that's the second lesson you learn at the supersecret cia training facility, the farm was a member. i used to call super secure. now it's on google maps. [laughing] i wish that was a joke. it literally is on google maps. they teach you get off the ax. the x is a location was something is going down and the last place you want to be with him is going down is where it's going down. so move. .. we have to change if we want to make sure that we continue to exist for another. seven years so let's talk a little bit about you in congress
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a republican representing the 23rd congressional district of texas massive district stretching from san antonio down to the border scroll and say a black republican and a latino district. it's okay. all that massive space along the texas mexico border. people say when they talk about vegas what happens in vegas stays in vegas, one what happens on the order doesn't stay on the border, it impacts as the rest of the country and you are the representative for the biggest part of that border so what do we make of that ?si >> what is happening is a crisis and the crisis on the border is the worst at the end of the day and it is going to have tectonic impacts on our elections. when you're on the border, border security means public
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safety. when you think about the mayors and county judges and city councilmembers that had to deal with the last few years and i'm not just talking about the illegal immigration crisis. i'm talking about dealing with covid and those communities along the border 50 percent of their income comes from ad valorem taxes. legal immigration coming across the border. that was shut down for a year and a half so these cities basically had to cut half their budgets. there dealing with with covid like everybody else and on top of that dealing with the growing illegal immigration crisis, all those things and this is the powder keg we're seeing along these communities, what should we do about it? and in my context hundred 25 miles of the border is what i represented. that is 2000 miles betweenthe united states and mexico . i spent 9 and a half years as
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an undercover officer in the cia and my day job may or may not have been as a legalist in some locations. i may or may not have had to travel in alias and violate other countries borders so i have a unique, a mayor may not have a uniqueperspective on these issues .and so step one, stop treating everybody thatcomes across the border as an asylum seeker . this was something that started under the trump administration. in the trump administration did this in order to dumb up the system. now this has been continued under president biden and what do i say that? asylum is a very specific thing. you have to be a member of a protected class, usually gender, sexual preference. your religious and your
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specific religion so you have to be part of a protected class and your government has to be persecuting you because you're part of that protected class. or ryour government does not protect you from something as part of that protected class. coming here just because you want a better paying job is not a reason for asylum so stop treating everybody asif they're an asylum seeker number one . number two we have to dismantle the human smuggling networks throughout central and south america that are moving people here to the united states. it is hard to get to a cognac, and so there is a lot of reinfrastructure. there are payment systems, buses that get you from point a to point b. there's halfway houses where you have to stay .
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we have a lot of that tl information but we should be working with our partners to do it. that's .2, .3, how about you streamline legal immigration? every industry requires legal immigration so let's streamline legal immigration and address the root causes and other areas. doors are the four steps in order to address it and it's something i've been advocating for a long time and immigration across the board is the longest chapter in the book because of the importance of this . >> whenwe talk about a border crisis , and i spent a lot of time on the border, many years working on the border living on the border and in mexico living in mexico covering these issues. i wonder is it because we can't take everyone in the country otand i know what you're saying, that not everyone should be treated as an ndasylum seeker but we have
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laws in place that when someone approaches and says i want asylum they get acertain amount of treatment for it , for our immigration system and that system in place right now under law can be turned off and on it will. we have to deal with the systems that's in place right now. that's buckling iunder the strain but congress has been reluctant to actually address those issues. >> i don't disagree with any of that. the one point i would push back slightly on is the current statute allows for flex ability of an individual border patrol agents to make an assessment on a credible fear. just like consular officer in an embassy that is having someone come in and going through and trying to get illegal v2 visa there is an incredible level of responsibility and flexibility from that individual to make that call. the current statute gives that flex ability to border patrol agents. dhs as an organization as
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interpreted that ability in a very narrow and very narrow way. so right now as things are written, this notion of stop hatreating everybody as an asylum seeker can be done without additional legislation . it would require dhs to change kind of how those we implement the implement thing language of the legislation is already past. >> so as we speak, monday would have been the date that title 42 would have been lifted. that was a rule, a law that was in place by the trump administration that was supposed to prevent people seeking asylum at the border due to concerns about covid. now covid, we're past covid 19 pretty much so let title 42 because it was a covid restriction but we have people n,in the right side
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saying no, keep it in place. these are the same people who say you don't have to wear a mask on an airplane and covid was a hoax and these other things so is title 42 about immigration or covid and is it disingenuous trying to confuse it as a way to keep people coming into the country and seeking asylum. >> there's an absolute lack of ideological consistency on those supporting it and not supporting it and those most people are viewing this as a another tool to prevent illegal immigration. dhs on projections that if title 42 was removed it could potentially have 400,000 people coming through our borders, this is their projections,not my projections. to give some context , the first year donald trump he deported for the entire year 200,000. so that influx would have been pretty significant,
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pretty serious and one of the things i get frustrated on on this entire immigration issue is that lack of ideological consistency on both sides. one of my things that i was most frustrated with when i was in congress was not getting a solution for the dreamers that have only known the united states of america. a couple of us renegade republicans were trying to jam republican leadership at the time and we came to in assist two votes away from pulling something off where we would have been able to get inflation over north of 250,000 votes . and it was a bill that would have been lost by donald trump and to me it was so frustrating but guess what, that same bill is still on the table somewhere and current leadership in congress could bring that forward and you would be able to get a super majority of
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halfback and this is one of those issues that when you look at and is a political issue around 70 percent of democratic votes if not more believe we should be solving some of these problems. 70 percent of republican primary voters support things like sgetting a permanent legislative fix to doctorkids . men and women and instead nothing happens. because people would rather use this issue as a political bludgeon against these each other rather than going and trying to solve the problem. >> to that point about the political aspects of this, looking at this as a republican and you're seeing how democrats use immigration as an issue, don't you see it as a loser issue for democrats really that this is more to unite the right against them and actually
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accomplish anything? >> it is going tobe something used against democrats in this upcoming election . if you look at just the border of texas, five members of congress represent the border and i was the only republican of those five. my successor is the only republican now but there's a scenario in which three of those five seats are going to be represented by republicans after thiselection . and it goes back to the fact that you have democratic mayors and county judges and elected officials along the border orthat have are tired of this lack of anything getting done and it started with this issue of defunding ice and look, the median democrat does not believe in defunding ice but because of the far left wing talking about that the entire party gets tainted with that. just like the median
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democrats don't believe in defunding the police but the fact that there's enough people on the far left doing this at window when you have climate and other issues so in all these things are in play in elections coming up in november where nyou're going to see especially in south texas if not record, near record latino turnout for republican candidates in an area's most people wouldn't have expected and that goes with not solving an issue that could be solvable. >> we've seen what's been called the red shift on the border . we're seeing counties that have been solid blue making huge transitions to support the republican party in the last election and one of the issues was immigration, support for law enforcement and another was concerned about how the greening of our energy economy would take away the few jobs they have
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in these areas . so is that a good thing that people are voting this way or voting for republicans? others see it as it's notin their best interest . >> here's the thing that i learned when i was in congress. nobody bought a black republican could win in a 71 percent latino district and the reason, my strategywas simple .. i was not going to be everywhere. 825 miles of border otakes 10 and a half hours to drive across it at 80 miles mper hour and i saw most of the district but nancy and the occupant found that it's not the speed limit andmost of the districts sorry ladies . a third of the district doesn't have cell phones .o but i would go everywhere. whether it was el paso or the
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dominion in san antonio, i went everywhere and when you shut up, you find out everybodytalks about the same things .they care about a roof over their head and making sure the people they love ourhealthy, happy and safe . we talk about those issues, you can be successful and let's talk about energy policy and it's not necessarily, you articulate the greeningof energy policy . most people it's a number is somewhere of fortyish, people in west texas are somehow connected tto the energy sector. you have the permian basin in west texas and south texas. to them this is about their livelihood. and getting rid of their livelihood. so that's why people , these are folks that are trying to impact things.
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when you talk aboutthe fund the police or defunding law enforcement the number of people in south and west texas that are, that have a family member working for border patrol or the sheriff's office , that's a a large group of people so it pp is this assault on their ability to provide for s themselves. here's what's going to happen. it's almost accepted, it is expected that republicans have taken the house. if we had to vote today someone say likely senate as well. this is not a mandate. from the american people being like hey gop, we love you. but for those that are watching on tv everybody laughed. and it is saying hey, we don't like what you other
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folks are trying to do so if republicans come in and don't have a vision about how we're e going to solve some of these problems, if we only talk about the things we are against, all of the problems we're dealing with right now in the country that are being blamed on the donald trump or joe lighting and the democratic party are going to be blamed on the republican party . so we have to have a vision on what are we going to try to solve and it starts with having elected leaders that are willing to inspire rather than fearmonger and this is, we're going through here in texas we're going through our primary runoff .t in the primary that was early in march, 3 million people. 1.8 million republicans, 1.2 million democrats . that's 3 million people out of 30million . that's terrible. we're going through a runoff election, excuse me, a runoff for the primary right now. maybe on the republican side are going to have 750,000 people vote. which means 800 375,000
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people are probably going to decide a lot of our statewide elected officials because it is texas and that's what's going to happen in general elections so we need more people that are inspiring people to come out and vote. the first time when i was in congress, i spoke at sxsw. hethe music tv, music nubian technology conference in austin. i'm on a panel at and with a number of youtube stars. four of the other panelists combined had 1 billion youtube subscribers. i had 64. and i'd see some of those people here in the crowd right now. and one of the people that was there was this digital director for the rock. joy johnson and this was when the movie milano was coming out . she said if marijuana fails at the box office, are we going to blame the consumer,
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the moviegoer or are we going to blame the rsproduct the movie and said of course were going to blame the product. i'm not saying no one isn't a great movie. i think it had success at the box office but she went on to say politics is the only industry where we blame the consumer, the voter rather than the product the politician. [applause] and so i think the future, the opportunity is for people to do things a little bit differently and inspire rather than fearmonger and that's why i wrote this book american reboot. [applause] >> the most important real estate we have in america is the kitchen table in every home in america. that's where we're seeing prices are going up, when i was a kid i did my homework at the kitchen table. we had family meetings
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talking about good news, bad news . everything happened at the kitchen table. what are we doing to make the kitchentable i have a place ? >> that's going to be the big question. for me and i get in this and talk about my kitchen table with my parents, my dad is black, mom is white, they met in la and got married in san antonio in 1970, went to buy a house in 1971 and my father was a traveling salesman. and he you know, it was not en vogue to be an interracial couple in south texas in the 70s. and so seeing some of the things they don't with, my parents have lived in the same house the last 54 years. it was the only neighborhood in san antonio that would sell to an interracial couple.
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which meant those were, that neighborhood and the school that serviced that neighborhood were the only schools my brother, sister and i were able togo to . i turned out okay, i'm a proud john marshall. proud aggie. and so luke is right. and so for me, seeing that growing up and the opportunity for my dad and my mom started the business and he retired. for my sister to go and become a partner enin an engineering firm. for me to get exposed at the southwest research institute, for robotics who wanted me to be in computer sciences we were lucky to have those opportunities . and we need to make sure we're providing the best opportunities we can for education and i believe that
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it's not getting a lot of focus but we're looking at the number of these decrease in the number of kids in school across the united states, what the heck? where are they? what are they doing, what's happening? because this is important. we have income inequality, education inequality and i think this is one of the things we need to focus on and these are some of the stories i talk about in the book because the reality is we have to be prep kids for jobs that don't exist. the technological change we're going to see in the next 47 years is going to l make the last 47 years dilook like we're monkeys playing in the dirt with sticks. and when anything from bioengineering, we can program a dna the way we program computer code. i'm on the board of the company that is going towards artificial general intelligence where an
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algorithm will be smarter than most people. this is going to happen. and we have to make sure that we have a workforce that's prepared for that and people that are currently in the workforce we got to make sure they're ready for that. those issues is what's going to drive those conversations on the kitchen table. seniors and their seniors that thought they had squirreled away enough money in their retirement accounts are having a hard go right now looking at their retirement accounts. how are we making sure that american businesses that those 401(k)s are invested in are going to continue to be strong because this is not just about us achieving our best . we are in a new coldwar with the chinese government . this is not my opinion, it's what the chinese government has said. they're trying to surpass the united states of america in the global superpower and one of the feedbacks i'm getting on the line is people didn't understand.
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most people are things you talk about china g.and technology in the book are kind of scary. that's just the tip of the iceberg. so this is what we have to do , what we have to be ready for and why we have to get beyond some of these political food fights that are not helping on these major issues because the reason that we've been able to move up the economic ladder is because we've created an opportunity for people to do that. and when we fail that they were going to fail the country. >> i'm watching what's happening in ukraine, watching what's incredible these videos that are getting out of combat and we're seeing how the war is being fought . the war is being redefined. one thing that's freaking me out is these drones, these are high-level consumer drones that have been modified to drop munitions, bombs on russians and their tanks to blow them up and i'm
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going what's to stop anyone in the united states from modifying drones that you can buy at best buy and turning that into a weapon and attacking a church or a supermarket or at times square. >> i'm not trying to freak everybody out but nothing . is preventing it from e happening. that's why we have to be thinking through not only in drilling technology but look, it's going to be awesome. when i'm barreling down i tend and i can get a drone and my driverless car and a drone flies over and drops whataburger through my sunroof. that's going to be awesome. i'm ready to make that happen . but to your point every tool that's used for good can be used for bad so we need to be thinking throw some of these strategies and if anybody wants to get freaked out, when you're doing scrolling on your phone search for
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swarming drones s. it's like these drones that eoperate and use ai and look like birds. if you are late at night and these birds are going and are they moving that way, it's not just that. let's talk about covid, was that lab? i don't know what covid 47 will be designed in a lab and it's going to be designed to have a greater impact on people in north america based on our dna sequence. that technology exists today. but in ukraine what's happening, this is why what the russians were doing in syria, the russians were using some of the latest drone and technology in syria in order to perfect it to use
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it for other warfare and we've seen some of the tactics and techniques they were doing in syria. we see that now and in ukraine. the future is going to be driven a lot by technology and the a lot of that technology ois a lot of it works because we have stock in space so space is as important to what's happening on the ground as the ground is andall of these things are connected . and we have to remember the united states of america has been, we've had an edge when we became a superpower because we had an edge in advanced technology since the end of world war ii. that edge is decreasing and if we ever get to the point where we are on the losing end, that is what's going to erode our hard power across the world. >> you're talking about an american reboot in your book. but people are wondering if
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you're talking about a republican party reboot . and what would it take to actually hit control alt delete on the republican party and willthat mean a loss of elections ? >> unfortunately i think most people learn major lessons from a loss rather than a gain . so these first section of the book is about how the republican party doesn't run america. and that republican party needs to start looking like ndamerica and i outline why that matters. republicans should care, democrats should care, independents should care. people that don't vote should care because it's important to have two strong parties to have that competition of ideas so yes, i do believe there is can be a reboot of the republican party and it starts by getting back to being a party based on values. and that format for the gop
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has always been opportunity, achievement, freedom leads to opportunity. opportunity leads to growth and when we talk about voter issues then we can have some progress. so yes i think that what is it going to take? it's going to take a complete blowout. i could make an argument losing 63 seats in 2018 should have been a wake-up call. didn't. and so but i think it's also an opportunity where the signal can be shot from the outside to cause the opportunity of getting new voters into aprimary is very significant .>> the american dream, puts this what's the status of the american dream? >> i think the american dream is still bright and the
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american dream is different means different things for different people. the fact fthat a young kid from north side of san antonio who had a big head, size 13 shoes when he was in the fifth grade, speech impediment and last name rhymes with nerd, you all shouldn't laugh at that. that to be able to be another cover officer for the cia and work in the back alleys of dangerous places, to start a cyber security company the and to represent his hometown in congress. that's awesome. ndthis is one of the few places that can happen. one of the values for me having lived in the cia is seeing other people's views
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on our country. the opportunity that you can do anything doesn't exist in other places. one of the things i learned researching this book. america's power is in our values. and the value we taught the world for the last 240 years is our government's legitimacy and its ability to exercise power flows from the consent of thegoverned . we the people are sovereign, not the government. that's all novel idea. that's why when we started everyone was like it's an experiment because it had been 1800 years prior for the last democracy that was rome and juliuscaesar screw that up .
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it was another 60 years until there was another democracy in switzerland. there were only 14 other countries that have been at democracies more than 100 years. we assume democracy is a fait accompli because that's all we've ever known. democracy is fragile, it always will be it's our system of government that we have shown the world that has allowed so many people to climb up theeconomic ladder . and so i'm proud of that, i'm excited about that and that's as real today as itever has been . >> any questions from our audience but real quickly what happened on january 6 ? >> we lost an election and it was propagated by people that were feeding lies. simple.
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>> questions from the audience, anybody have any questions you want to make and we have a, we got a microphone, let's turn it dd over to you so we can get that captured for everyone to hear . >> . >> in addition to the two things you said, the politicians product and the voter public, there's a third element of the republican propaganda. and the defunding the police, the police only spend five percent of their time solving crimes. obviously there needs to be up turn for social services and the other things they do but for instance when aoc did agree new deal republicans turn that into a curse word. i'm just going to propose a ridiculously ideal solution. the federal taxes of new york or washington and california actually support the republican gerrymandered and anachronistic state of the south. what if the payers of the taxes and since we know rich
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people pay taxes designated what they wanted their taxes for and said not the military and not creationism and then those people, it's always follow the money. they might change if their opponents. >> what was your question? >> is there any way to get reason back in onpolitics and also, i am legally old enough to vote by mail and they have made it so impossible almost all the mailers have been discarded because they didn't fill out a font size number. >> that's a texas issue. it hasn't happened with greg abbott and the texas legislature, the vote by mail but to your other points . >> can we get reasonable stuff in? show of hands, how many of you all have ever clicked on the news article that said congress worked ?
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for those viewing audience we have one hand. and so part of this is we have tomodel behavior that we want to see . and are there are some crazy politicians, absolutely but there's some that are not . on both sides for sure. but are we promoting and encouraging the kind of behavior we want to see or are we promoting and encouraging that negative behavior that we're partaking in this ? that is us as individuals and as elected officials again, if you're selling a product t yes, you want to make sure the people buying your product are still buying that product but you also should be trying to get new people to buy that product. and there's this notion that has come into our political discourse the last 30 years that the only way to get good things done is to do one
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party rule. that's the worst way to get anything done. any piece of legislation that we can make 4to the right voting rights act of 65, clean water act, every student succeeds at, the first step act, you name all of these bills, they were passed one party in the house a different party in the senate. and so that is not, one party rule is not a way to govern and we need more people voting in primaries the cause that's where a lot of these decisions are being made. if i had a magic wand yes, we should make registering to vote as easy as possible, do it the sameday. we should be able to do it online . but i've been shocked when you're looking at these elections around thecountry that are decided by plurality . 31 percent is not reflective of anything. and so being able to do those
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things, so yes we should be able to do that and in this day andage we should be making it easier. we should be able todo it online . we should be able to do these things . >> i'm going to get a mic to you sir. let me get the mic to you. >> you mentioned that how there was a strength in the two-party system has it becomes more left and more right, do you see a centrist party developing like in europe? >> so the idea of a independent party or a third-party. i think a third-party can and couldn't win. i think the model is mekong in france and unloading mexico but the question i have about other party system is overtime, does that lead
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to better outcomes and does that lead to a country solving bigger problems. and i don't know if coalition politics like you see in the uk and israel is better than the system that we have now. and so but what i think could happen, everywhere we talk about the 60 votes. here's a novel idea. forget the far left efand find 20 on the other side. they exist. it's possible. it exists in the house and it exists from the senate and what is happens is when leadership in washington dc and what i mean by leadership, that's the majority leader in the senate or the speaker in the house, they drive all legislation out. rather than having committees driving where you have people from both sides working to craft legislation that can impact so if we only think that you know, nancy pelosi
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is bad. if she works with 20 republicans on a piece of legislation arefar left wing is going to eviscerate her . the far right is back to john weiner and paul ryan when they work with democrats to pass legislation so that is a trend that is solvable and is more likely to have better outcomes than potentially a pothird-party, but as a third-party is potentially doable it's a adjustable eechallenge at the national level in the united states but i would love to see some longer-term impacts. >> will hurd, a former congressman, it used to be the future of the republican party, are you still the future? >> you don't have to be in elected office to be in the future so here's what i would say. it's unlikely my political career is over, i'm 44 years old but if the opportunity for me to serve my country
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presents itself again i'm egoing to evaluate. i've been lucky to serve and do an amazing job like in the cia. i was also serving my hometown and all the a communities in west and south texas and if there is an opportunity ticket. >> there was some reporting that this book was a feeler to see if there was a lane for will hurd running for the republican nomination for president, anything to that? >> could somebody use these ideas and run for president, i think so. [applause] >> this is about vision, process structure, we don't have enough people articulating where we want to go. and the reason i call this american reboot is because the lesson i learned in my first job in the university,
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when the computer wasn't working i didn't know what to do, what do we do? you turn it off and you hit reboot. this is about getting back to a fresh operating system, this is about getting back to those values and those ideas that have made us the greatest country on the planet. i want to see this experiment continue for another 247 years and i think that's why i put some of these ideas out there because we don't have to accept this stealing this feeling 72 percent of us feel that thiscountry is on the wrong track . >> all right. >> is the american reboot, getting idealists guide to getting things done. author is will hurd and it was greatto have you at the san antonio book festival. he will be signing books at the tent , nowhere book tent
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