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♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ medco support c-spans a public service along with these other television providers. giving you a front row seat to democracy. joining us from the cannon house officeho building utah republicn congressman jones curtis. a member of t the energy and commerce committee when her 18 congress. also chair of the climate caucus. congressman what is your priorities for the 118 congressman when it comes to energy and climatete legislatio? >> we hope to show we do not need to sacrifice energy independence. we do not need to sacrifice more affordable prices we can still reduce emissions. we think we have the formula to dove that. >> what is a special formula to

make that happen? [laughter] is not that complicated we need every available energy source we have with emphasis on affordability, reliability and clean it we need to but the and drive those three factors. i am confident the marketplace will take some good direction. quick what when clean is not always affordable one of us other priorities get in the way of the other one? >> the best answer to that issue it. you can see what happens when you get those priorities out of alignment. not only did they sacrifice enenergy independence, affordability, reliability they're not clean the putting out more gas emissions and ever. we went to make sure the u.s. does not go on that same direction. >> a conservative climate caucus you started last congress you are the chair of that caucus. what is that light question requited to start it. >> it might be the largest is republicans talking about claimant. our whole point is to get republicans engaged.

we feel like republicans for too long have told everybody what we do not like what is important for us to speculate what do like. the important thing is a very principleservative that here are affordable, reliable and also clean records what he think it might surprise people? works and think historically republicans are not engaged climatee conversation. part of that there ideas and i think that is been a mistake. you get republicans to engage now? how do you get democrats to engage with you on thehe issue? >> first about the secondur part of your question very pleased my democratic colleagues many of whom have embraced what we are doing part have reached out to us. want to work with us about a very warm reception as far as we get more republicans engaged helping them understand they don't i need to check their

conservative credentials at the door to be good at this and engage in it. they are anxious to engage in a part of the conversation. >> do you foresee a day when this country no longer needs of fossil fuels? andes if so how far away is that day? >> that is interesting thing. i do not know single energy expert anywhere inrt the world o will not type fossil fuels me with this for very long time. and in this debate people have to decide do you hate fossil fuels? or do you hate admissions? there's a strong role for fossil fuels is no better example of that the what's happening here in the united states. we reduce dramatic emissions with the u.s. natural it's much cleaner than russia. and so if the goal is to reduce emissions there's actually a role in fossil fuel can be part of the solution and not all the problem. >> is there a role for coal powered fire power plants? >> gets our energy future i

don't think there's a single energy source we won't be using. the question is can we do it affordably, reliably and clean? discrete carbon out there other technologies that likely will play a role in the answer to your question. >> with us this morning for about another 20 -- 25 minutes if you want to join the conversation of the house republican climate and energy in the hundred 18th congress phone lines are open great numbers as usual democrats two 202-748-8000 republicans they thousand one. independence (202)748-8002 john curtis a member of the energy and commerce committee 118th congress. pfister of of the subcommittee on energy climate and grid security what is grid security and where the sings group together? >> first of all as far as climate and energy is trying to point you cannot separate

climate from energy. the two are connected that's why she has included that grid security everyone will tape we don't have a secure reliable grid none of this matters the energy site and the claimant side. we've got to have a grid far more resilient. far more efficient than what we currentlye have. >> it comes to the grid what is keeping us from being efficient same thing permitting reform with republicans and democrats. don't hurt your energy goal is, committee reformers in the way it. unless we can work that out what were going to on the energy side the claimant side. >> the permitting process, what is that? how long did it generally take? how many agencies are involved in energy committing process? >> are a lot of layers depends

what you're to do. in my district we have about 90% federal lands. just permits on federal lands and existing right-of-way roadway can take up to nine years. that is many layers of complications.mp once the permit is issued are the challenges or lawsuits? people will tell you right now at nephi has two problems. one is it takes too long to get an answer and once the answer comes or is no certainty because of the lawsuits they can go on for many, many years be m tightening that up not compromising any environmental standards are simply giving answer quicker and making that answer more sure is when the most important things we can do with committee reform. >> talk with congressman john curtis this morning. asking for your questions via phone, via text, via e-mail. bobby is up first at a west virginia line for democrats. bobby with congressman congressman curtis, go ahead.

>> yes, congressman. i am a retired coalminer and west virginia. west virginia my question to you we powered this nation through several wars if it had been especially west virginia colt would not have been able to make her ammunition, airplanes or whatever. at that time back in say world war ii the women men the factories and the women fought the wars and mind of the coal because we needed it. my problem is, we note coal is one of the dirtiest fossil fuels that there t is. and it is quite expensive everything hillary clinton when

she was running almost $11 billion to be sent to these coal operators for the power plants. to upgrade them, put filters on them and clean them. we've got future generations and i don't think coal can be eliminated. that first package the biden administration pass when they first went in d there, had to do with the reconstruction of highways and bridges and everything. they haven't done it with any other source of energy yet because it has a higher btu and it makes steel. it is still necessary to have coal. but i don't hear the guys up there talking and you are in the energy business, maybe you have got a good answer. talks bobby, let's of' the

congressman jump in. >> guest: i represent carbon county you can imagine carbon county is much like west virginia and how they make their livelihood. what i regret most about this whole debate is a demonization. not just the cold but the people for decades and decades have sacrificed their health and safety. we can fight wars so we can build cars, so we could have homes at 70 degrees. i regret so much of this conversation demonizes these people. i will just reiterate i think the future for coal lies in its ability to do three things. be affordable, reliable, and clean. i think all fuel sources need to take a hard look at that and other techniques and they maintain an affordable price to

keep affordability? and i think they can pretty think our future will show those three factors affordable, reliable, claim dictate to our dominant power source. stewart was the history of carbon county? >> it is cold. for decades and decades mind coal there's a coal fire plant in the adjoining county. these are good people. i watched firsthand how we have destroyed their economy, destroyed their way of life it just does not need tooe be that way it's unfortunate but. >> previously before coming to congress mayor of provo cities that were that is in utah? >> from the city spent an hour and half from carbon county prison mayor we were eight municipal powered city. when i first took over we were probably close to 80% coal was our source. we had a little bit hydro. two terms as an error in the

fourth term in congress. represents utah's third district taking your phone calls this morning for about the next 155 minutes. this is tom in portland, oregon. you are on with congressman curtis. >> caller: hi, yes. yes, mr. curtis, i was wanting realize that may be the sun, the wind and all of the other energy sources might be available in about 40, 50, or 60 years. there is no climate change going on. floods, hurricanes, and fires. what ever else, we have helped

it by the industrial age. but it is natural. we don't need it to be worried, thinking or trying it out. just get back to nuclear hydrogen, coal, natural gas. >> got your point, tom, congressman. switching tom you can probably join me on this level and that's less pollution is better than more pollution. i think all of us can agree with that. that is why i feel like include clean what is important moving forward. the good news is historically tom even told jeff to sacrifice energy independence i suspect that is why you pushed back, i would to bring the good news is we don't need to do that. we can be smarter than that. we can also be clean at the same time.

so he went from twitter the c-span is the handle of this user. once you know how much u.s. coal is sold to china. >> i think china -- mike i can't tell him the number it's a large percentage of their coal from sources not in the united states but iur can tell you going back to my carbon county the coal powered plants in the coal that is mind is now four times the price it was alaska because ited is going overseas. it's primarily in europe. sue and one other question on different source. how much is available in the u.s. question how expensive should natural gasw be? instrument dj on twitter. switching dj, think it's important to point out u.s. natural gas is cleaner than almostur all other sources in te world. i understand produce about 40% cleaner and russia natural gas. we shouldho be making an emphass

of it went to reduce emissions around the world on exporting u.s. natural gas. we've got many blocks in theay roadway to do that. some are the committee reforms we mention. hearing that united states natural gas is responsible for us reducing emissions more. it depends on the next timeframe but 10 countries combined for it's a great source of fuel. it is inexpensive relatively speaking. i think it's very important part of our energy future projects 10 minutes left with congressman john curtis for this is steven saint augusta, florida independent good morning. >> caller: good morning. if the glaciers dug out the great lakes and of the glaciers are all gone, how can y'all say this is man-made? [laughter] so to steve, i don't think anyone is said that this morning. i'll kind m of pivot back to the point i made with the previous color. steve, i suspect you would join

me i want to leave this earth and better than i found it. i have grandkids, you may have kids and grandkids yourself. i want to limit better fornd thm than i found it. i think less pollution is better than more pollution but nonstock not man-made or not man-made. what we are really talking about is being responsible for using our resources wisely and carefully. and i don't know anybody that doesn't agree that's a good idea. >> baltimore, michigan this is margaret democrat good morning. >> caller: hi. i would like to talk about grid in texas. they are naysayers, they won't fix the grid i think someone should tell them there are other sources. >> i don't make good friends in texas how much they rely and depend on wind as solar as part

of the grid. they also are kind ofar an islad unto themselves. they don't connect with the rest of the united states like most of us do which means they are very dependent. there is a problem within that grid on the solutions coming from within texas. it is a complicated problem but texas loves to brag about howbo much they actually do use all energy sources including wind andd solar. the accident they should be connected to the rest of thehe grid? >> and nobody texas is asking that question. the more you have access to energy, the more reliable and affordable you can be. i think texas takes it on the chin a little bit in reliability because of that decision and it is something they have to live with and make the decisions themselves and that's want to move forward in the future. >> is there any other great

islands out there? >> i'm not an expert on the grid. i suspect there are in some cases. that's maybe not compose shut off one 100% but clearly throughout the united states we have a problem with the grid not being as extensive as it needs to be. particularly for that look at the goals of the biden administration and find all of we vehicles and things but simply do not have the grid to carry that much electricity. even if we didn't have the grid we don't haveng the source to pt the electricity on the grid projects talk about taxes oscar crosby, texas. michael, lane for democrats good morning. >> hello how are you all doing? >> was your question or comment? >> caller: have got to solutions. okay, let's check out both sides of our mouth. [inaudible]

coming down to hear the response. as an assigned capability. spent michael going a little in and out their retirement refinery capacity, congressman. we are talk about pipelines the chokepoint is capacity of refining oil. >> guest: i can supper think i understand the question i have a harder time understanding it. if i understand it one of the bottlenecks in our whole energy systemtt is pipelines and the ability to move energy sources around thiswh country. when i was in houston, texas a number of months ago i met a contractor who was smiling because he was contracted to truck natural gas through manhattan to long island because they would not build a pipeline. he runs 80 semi sedate through manhattan because they're unwilling to build a pipeline. clearly putting up former greenhouse gas emissions as a results. i think onene of the missteps we

are taking this country right now is for not going to move pipelines. they can reduce greenhouse gas emissionss. they are unequivocal to close the keystone pipeline here in the united states. we've got to rethink the whole approach. sue and got five minutes of the digestive congressman what you think is going to happen in the fight over the debt ceiling and the push for suspending cuts? how does this play out in the weeks and perhaps some months to? >> the best analogy i can give you is the speaker's race. it was painful, it went longer than most people wanted and we got it done. i suspect, i worry improbably feared the sin debt ceiling conversation is not going to be a whole lot different from that. there will be some pain but we willt eventually get it done. but i agree with my colleagues to say we are spending too much money. got to reign it in we've got to

be more fiscally responsible. we talk about the environment for our grandkids. i'm equally worried about the financial environment for our grandkids. and so there has tos. be some tg of war and arm wrestling in these decisions. the biting ministrations position of not being willing to negotiate is not real practical. let's sit down and talk about this and find a path forward. >> worded that path lead? what are the good places to rein in spending right now in the massive u.s. budget? >> guest: let's start with putting an end to the trillion plus dollar expenditures that are done at a whim. we've been voting here in the last two years of bills that are thousands and thousands of pages. we don't have time to read privette spent throwing some dollars that's a place to start forr me. so in about five minutes left of the congressman independent thanks for waiting. strictly okay, and 2012 they

mandated the stay sickly up water. they put -- and the water to clean it up. and thes gas was ammonia is the cheapest way out to do it. now ammonia design of oxygen and it protects oxygen out of the water. could this be contributing? could be contributing to global warming with the oceans and everything else because ammonia is used in our sewage and it all washes out to the ocean? ammonia never leaves the water though it leavesou the water ast puts inng the ground and turns o night traits. question is, is this a big part of the rivers in the sky they're having and all of that? the water is warming up and could this bee happening?

sue and congressman's on the look into? speech i'm not a scientist i cannot speak to that. i want to take this opportunity to make a point. too often in government leaders shoot, aim. we do that and climate policy a lot. we are throwing darts at hoping during them up and eb chargers all over the country. we have not analyze the lifecycle of greenhouse gas emissions from dvds. the color makes a good points. sometimes i make a it sounds good or feels good really without making sure it is a good move and that we are doing the right thing. statement what is the push for hundreds of thousands of more eat the charging stations, what does that mean for the grid? worksitegr mentioned earlier in the program would turn on the grid to support that previously had the grid to support that and if we had the electricity and the grid it nobody sent an

analysis to say ise that goingo reduce greenhouse gas emissions close to the president proposed however the other day. you know a chevy malibu a gas powered chevy malibu and eb hummer at the same lifecycle greenhouse gas emissions? that's when i'm a shoot, ready, aim for that's what we've got to be smarter about this but let's make sure were spending our dollars and the right place and doing the right things. one california, al republican good morning. thirty-three yes good morning britain california and the heating bill to heat our house has doubled. i see congress doing nothing. our gas is to fill a car's $4.40 again i mean we cannot afford nothing. >> guest: this is really good points. there are people who would have you suffer i think in my mind worse consequences than climate change to try to avoid climate change. we've got to b be more thoughtfl about that.

in your case you got states and local officials of mandated the dictating policy. which is pushing you to un- affordability. and not even cleaner in the end after all of that. we went oak ridge, maryland bridget good morning. >> caller: hi, i do have a question. in order to export natural gas that has to be liquefied which releases more methane and has to be transported over long distances. so my question is how is natural gas exportation reducing pollution? works for sewing capture the methane. and we need to capture. methane is one that lisa talked about elements of climate change i think it's a very, very important part of it. i think the best answer to your question what are we replacing my shipping the natural gas overseas? are we replacing russian natural gas produced that could be a

less polluting assets. all of those things matter but let's look at the full lifecycle cost buried in the end u.s. natural gas can be produced much cleaner than other places around the world. fluently in kansas ledger". >> caller: height mr. curtis for like to set you straight on the keystone pipeline. you are either lying or your ignorance are going to find out which one it is. the keystone pipeline is up and running for it has been since 2010 it's ran by company called pc energy out of canada. the keystone pipeline just leaked 14000 barrels of oil into a pristine and you have the audacity coming on here on c-span and telling all the folks the keystone pipeline shut down. no, no, no it's not shut down its up and running. they put 800 30,000 barrels of oil through every day.

phase one, two, 3a and 3b have all been completed the one that was shut down is the keystone xl pipeline but i wanted to look in that cam until the republicans until thel c-span viewers thaty golly that keystone pipeline is up and running and has been since 2010. spent got your point congressman you're the final minute. >> verse of outlook, we'll talk about keystone is a generic word i think the caller well knows we say president biden shut it down referring to keystone xl but the reality is showing that pipeline down the oil is still coming into the united states from other sources some dirtier than canada is being trucked in a set of on the clean pipe and we have increased emissions. he was to make a point for arguing, fine. the reality of it is seen as exactly what i was talking about and he is exactly that it does increase greenhouse gas emissions by showing the pipeline down. sue and congressman have a busy day had including an energy and commerce committee hearing this morning att 10:00 a.m. eastern n

energy production helping the u.s. economy. will be airing that on c-span three, c-span.org and the apple to prepare for that hearing, congress and push your time thank you for stopping by with this. >> thanks jon will be riveting don't miss it. >> sees bit is your unfiltered view of governments. funded by these television companies and more including cox. consumer can be hard. but squatting in a diner for internetwork is even harder. that is why we are providing lower income students access to affordable internet so homework can just be homework. cox connect to get pizza. cox cox support c-span is a public service locus of intelligent vision providers giving our front receipt to democracy. >> there's a look at what is coming up on c-span2