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next house oversight and accountability committee considers its new rules package for the 118th congress. then, a discussion with celebrity chef josé andreason and former agriculture secretary stan on food security and 2023 farm bill. house oversight and accountability committee has adopted a new package for the 118th congress by a partyline vote of 25 -- 19 for the new rules include putting an end to virtual participation and public hearings for members and witnesses. and the creation of five new subcommittees. this about an hour and 50 minutes. [background noises]
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[background noises] [background noises] [background noises] without objection, the chairman is authorized to declare a racist of committee at any time. i want to welcome everyone to the organizational meeting on the committee to oversight and accountability. the committee i believe will be the most exciting and effective
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committee for this congress. will be returning this committee to its core mission and that is to ensure the taxpayer dollars are not being mismanaged, abused or wasted. to shine a light in the darkness of the federal bureaucracy or corruption. make sure federal government is work efficiently for the american people. for this meeting we will be proceeding as follows. first ranking member and i will introduce our new members. then we will officially adopt the committee rules. i want to welcome all of our returning members it's great to have you again this commerce. i also went to welcome back to the committee chairman mike turner from ohio. congressman gary palmer from alabama. thompson kelley armstrong from north dakota and congressman paul from arizona. last i want to welcome our new members they help from all parts
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of our great country first of all we will go in order of seniority. went to recognize scott perry from pennsylvania, welcome. william timmons from south carolina. tennessee. marjorie taylor greene from georgia. lisa from michigan. from colorado. russell fry from south carolina. ana luna from florida. chuck edwards from north carolina. nick langworthy from new york. and eric from missouri. welcome to the oversight committee. what you yet you will find is the best committee in congress. we are really glad you are all on the committee. looking forward to bargain each and every one of you this congress. we have a big agenda that were going to work really hard to be very effective for the taxpayers and the american people.
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but that the distinguished member from maryland to choose his members. first i want to publicly say we are all rooting for you. we know you are going to win this battle. you are in our thoughts and prayers is good to see you here today. >> thank you so much it means a lot to me ripping gratified to repeat so many words of sympathy from both sides of the aisle. and i hope these expressions of concern and solidarity will become friendship over the year. i certainly plan on getting through this thing and beating it. i thank you for your patience and indulgence. [applause] and now it is my turn to welcome the members on our side of the aisle. mr. chairman beginning with eleanor gordon who represents
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the great district of columbia. mr. lynch of massachusetts, mr. conley of virginia, mr. murphy of illinois. mr. khan of california of marilyn, the vice ranking member for this congress. ms. porter of california, ms. busch, ms. brown and mr. gomez. those are the returning members. ms. brown of a higher mr. gomez of california and mrs. bush of missouri. but from across the country are new members are melanie stansbury, new mexico. robert garcia of california. maxwell frost from florida. vermont, from pennsylvania. greg of texas, jasmine also from texas. dan goldman from new york and from florida.
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mr. chairman it's hard for me today to not think of my fellow maryland her and friend elisha cummings who is chairman and ranking member of this committee not so long ago. elijah recruited me too oversight and taught me the central purpose of this committee. our job is to make not for opportunity and greed and self enrichment not as a violator of the rights and liberties of the people but rather the protector of the people and always the effective and efficient instrument of the common good the greatest good for the greatest number of americans we can serve every single day. i think this duty seriously and are committed to ensuring with you on efficient government has meaningful benefits that we serve. i have taken the liberty mr. chairman of purchasing out of my own pocket. i seem to have a copy of tom paine's common sense for every
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member of this committee republican, democrat the template that launched the american revolution what we need to proceed in this committee was common sense to use our five senses and reason in order to make sure we are vindicating that our constitution exists. we pledge to work closely with you and days ahead and wherever we can find grounds for bipartisan work and collaboration. we will do it and obviously we will be standing up for the constitution, for the bill of rights and the laws of the land. meeting to discuss different ways can begin the process of collaboration and are optimistic we will be able to find a good, constructive, collaborative path forward. thank you your many courtesies working with this and hopefully be able to work successfully
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with each over the next couple of years. x think the ranking member. i will now move to consider our committee rules. the rules package before you is substantially the same as last congress was only a few changes. those changes include the following. first of the highlight rule six which outlines new subcommittees in their jurisdictions. to the subcommittees will once again focus and priorities of the american people. second we are including a change throughout members of the community to participate in subcommittee and select committee hearings at the discretion of the chair. lastly, to align our deposition authority rule with house rules we make clear a witness can only bring to personal non- governmental attorneys to the deposition to advise them of their rights. now before i yield to ranking member providing feedback to the rules.
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given lots of communication and forth over the last several days. i know we did not come to an agreement on all the suggested edits but i know we will be able to find bipartisan solution on the items not reflected in the committee rules. with that i yield back to the ranking member for his opening statement on the rules. thank you, mr. chairman. i have an amendment at the desk. perhaps while the clerk prepares to report i will just say thank you for working with us on the rules. much of it, most of it we were able to go along with we definitely have a few issues he wanted to raise today hoping we might be able to work them out.
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at the source of the first amendment. parks amendment number one to the rules of the committee on oversight and accountability as offered by it represented rask intercourse without objection is considered as read. rask it is recognized explained. >> thank you, mr. chairman. amendment to strike provisional rule seven granting the chair the unilateral discretion to allow committee members to participate in the hearings of subcommittees on which they are not members. now, this is been a common and replete practice on our committee but such authority has historically been granted through unanimous consent request on both sides. this is a practice allows the members to create great flexibility and accountability to each other. i am certain members on both sides will not recall a single occasion where anyone has objected to waiving settlement on. this practice has worked seamlessly in a bipartisan way
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for decades. there's no need to break from precedents. the danger of course is this authority that shares a democrat or a republican will be used to less certain members to do it and other members not to do it. so we prefer to stick with the unanimous practice mr. chairman. we moved to strike that one part. parks with the distinguishing ranking member yield per second? yes i yield. >> thank you my friend. i want to join in a supporting this amendment. i've been on this committee this is now my 15th year republican chairs, democratic chairs, majorities and democratic majorities have never ever had a problem and unanimously waiving settlement on who seeks to participate. i need to know with the rationale was lisa changing the
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procedure? i just think as we begin the new year mr. chairman ranking member, i think this amendment adopting the amendment put forward would be a good faith action on the part of all of us. so i urge adoption in this modification of the rules and i think my friend from yielding. >> mr. chairman, looks like that may other members who want to weigh in. okay i will yield back to you. >> house rules require a vote that you needs unanimous contents consent to allow this. this rule change memorializes with already the case it can still be users nothing change it can still be used. this just speeds things up with some of these committee hearings to disrupt the flow. i am bound by house rules and i
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pledge to follow them. i urge my colleagues to vote no on the amendment to any members have further discussion? >> mr. chairman this is merely a courtesy to bring forth the ranking members change so that as a courtesy any member could be waived on, i yield back in. >> any other recognition? chair recognizes mr. lynch. >> thank you, mr. chairman i don't repeat my colleagues have said in the past and i've been on the committed this is my 22nd year. we have always had an agreement a gentleman or a gentlewoman's agreement between our parties. as you will see you during this session and i'm sure you know
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mr. chairman with the competing activities and going on and other hearings is often challenging to get members to come in because they also of commitments on other hearings. making that process of fluid and generous and a bipartisan has really helped the weight this committee has worked together in the past. i would hope you'd see fit to support the amendment. think it would be good not for one party or the other but for the work we are about to embark on here, thank you i yield back too. >> in the other members seek recognition question the question is on the amendment all is in favor all of those opposed say no. in the opinion of the chair the nose have it. >> would like to request a recorded vote mr. chairman. >> roll call votes will be postponed the final be announced in advance same way we did this last year. i will get this down after about
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the third vote here. mr. chairman? >> a chair recognizes mr. lynch tricks i have an amendment of the desk. designate the amendment. >> amendment number two to the rules of the committee on oversight and accountability as offered by representative lynch. >> chair at rec and is mr. lynch. >> thank you, mr. chairman reddick in the interest of fairness and efficiency this mmo assembly for the ranking member of the distinguished gentleman from maryland the same discretion the proposed committee rules currently granted the chairman of her member participation on subcommittees" other proceedings i am in support of this amendment i underscore granting the german unilateral authority to determine whether committee member may participate in oversight committee hearing or
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additional oversight activities does not align with previous committee practices at all. the president during my time on this committee has previous chairman and ranking members subcommittees national security for at least the past eight years i could attest our subcommittee rules and committee rules have not rented our chairs such authority under either democratic and republican majorities. in stark contrast we have primarily left the question of member participation to our colleagues through bipartisan unanimous consent request to waive interested members onto the subcommittee hearings which has never been denied. so whether a republican member or democratic member wanted to come in -- look the oversight committee is unlimited jurisdiction. often times we have members who are on other jurisdictional committees that share our interest with the proposed rule regarding member participation
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the fundamental mission of our committee to conduct oversight, to identify waste, fraud, abuse and hold government accountable. and also in favor of reform on behalf of the american people. as recommended by the nonpartisan project on government oversight, congressional oversight is stronger and more credible when it is bipartisan". rather than fostering a bipartisan examination critical issues facing the american people and they are considerable. this proposed rule encouraged partisan selection of which members can be afforded the opportunity to undertake congressional oversight at all. the amendment under consideration would at least ensure our oversight efforts do not fall victim to partisanship or capriciousness when it comes to member participation. i urge my cogs on both sides of the aisle to support this amendment i go back to remainder of my time. the ranking members asking for more consideration and contemplate of the house was a
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four committee rules would be in conflict. the democrat members can still be considered and added to any subcommittee hearing at the discretion of the chair and upon a request for unanimous consent at any hearing. so nothing change i urge my colleagues to vote no on this amendment. any other members seek recognition? >> and gives her chairman. the only problem the statement you just made is it does create a change and introducing asymmetry into the rules. and again members should consider this from the perspective being the majority now and potentially being in the minority later. because of its asymmetrical rule is adopted that seems to benefit one team at one point it will come to disadvantage you in the future for the past we had a universal unanimous consent practice no one has had an incentive to object and everyone understands that should be a privilege or membership of the committee shall not very
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subcommittees. we centralize the power exclusively in the chair where that's republican or democrat as a matter of his or her own party denies it to others use unanimous consent to block it in that case they work symmetrically taken down this road. too unilaterally grant a member participation in the ranking member shall same empower regardless whether red or blue is in the majority or the minority, yield back. >> ranking member yields back. again, i pledge to work with the ranking member who ever he deems necessary to be waived in. it does not change anything.
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any further members seek a recognition customer sin not the question is on the amendments. all those in favor, all of those opposed say no. in the opinion of the chair of the nose have it. >> i would request a recorded vote please. >> roll call votes have been requested. they will be postponed the time will be announced in advance. are there any more minutes at the table? >> mr. chairman per. >> chair recognize ranking member for a quick someone other amendment mr. chairman this will allow remote participation request the clerk will designate the mm it that's three times will get it right. [laughter] the clerk will designate the amendment to correct amendment number three to the rules of the command oversight and accountability as offered by representative raskin. >> the chair recognizes ranking member per. >> thank you, mr. chairman this event would allow remote
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participation and committee activities for members when in person participation would potentially compromise the member's health. i know there's a desire to have all members in person moving forward i certainly sure that desire. that should not prevent members who meet reasonable accommodations in light of extremely exceptional medical circumstances from participating in committee proceedings before example some has covid-19. i pursued the willingness that chairman, has displayed to work with members on health conditions to participate. i think it is important we enshrine any exception to our rules. out of all of our members to participate fully in the committee. no one should be prevented from performing their duties on behalf of their constituents due to unavoidable and uncontrollable health conditions. whether it is being immunocompromised or having covid 19 or being injured in some way that prevents him or her from coming to work. with that i submit to the
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amendment to mr. chairman for consideration per. >> thank you member yields back of the german art have a discussion make reasonable accommodations in the exact situations like the ranking member just mentioned. i have said he and i've had several conversations all say this for i will do everything in my ability to work with you to make sure that we can accommodate anything with respect to committee work for your undergoing treatments for him very sympathetic to what you're going through. we've had members on our side my mother went through this. we are going to work with you i have given you that pledge. for example it made an accommodation this afternoon science contribute to allow the ranking member to appear remotely. we will work with you on that. this amendment is not necessary. pledge to continue to work with the ranking member as i already have been we demonstrate that a good faith today with the interview later on today pray urge my colleagues to vote no.
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do any other member seek recognition? chris mr. chairman per. >> chair recognize mr. conlon. because i think the chair and pushes accommodations for the ranking member personally on his pledge to work and reasonable fashion to accommodate legitimate health needs. but, what we are debating here today is the rule. in the rule is the architecture of the next two years we need a rule that assures that should somebody else be in that chair, we have protection, we have rights. and so i think the amount is not unnecessary. in fact it improves things. over a million and a half american succumb to covid 19. people have died from this terrible virus. people are terribly vulnerable.
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long-term symptoms because of this virus. that's not just a nice thing to do if someone asks for. both for members and witnesses is going to be essential hopefully in a diminishing basis. nick had many, many rounds many variants of this virus, all of them deadly. i urge the adoption of this change and urged with witnesses. i think the german for giving me time to think that ranking member for his amendment. >> i note the chair it seems to agree with the underlying purpose of the amendments. i think the amendment is necessary because congress is so
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closely divided. because of this close division we do not know whether for partisan purposes there would be a disagreement. i think this is a failsafe amendment that would be important for both sides to have in their pocket, yield back. >> yields back. >> thank you, mr. chairman. members, i oppose the amendment to rules. august the undersigned the health conditions of the ranking member and the chairman's desire to help him with that is ... congress. but let's be very clear, as a member of this committee in the last congress they were many members who frankly abused the virtual nature of our hearings. they would be in their offices doing these hearings and not here in this room. we are going to be touching a lot of critical topics in this congress and attendance is
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necessary. i urge my members in my colleagues to vote down on this amendment understanding fully the issues of the ranking member is dealing with with his health personally. but this amendment is not needed in fact the chairman on this. >> thank you mr. chair. i think one of the things that we all want to acknowledge is gratitude your willingness to work to accommodate the ranking member in the various conditions we would have to adapt too. i think the ranking member would be one of the first to see this rule is not about him. it's really about the vast majority or the vast amount of people who encounter disabilities at some point in their life or another. the rules here are the rules of our workplace. this rule is in place that it's not up to one individual's
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discretion to protect a person that may encounter a disability. you may find themselves with the conditions such as the ranking members, pregnancy et cetera. and a rule to protect individuals based on health outcomes should be part of our workplace protections for think the examples we set here are an example for the country. i extend quite a bit of undersigned towards a representative important making sure but in the root rule it states explicitly about extraordinary extenuating healthcare related circumstance. and that spirit i would hope we would all be able to set that example and protecting the millions of people who encounter disabilities immunocompromised condition et cetera. and i would hope we would enshrine that protection not just for the ranking member but for all of us in the rules of this committee and i yield back. >> and think the gentle lady for
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wheeling back. the chair recognizes ms. marjorie taylor greene per. >> thank you mr. chair. i oppose this amendment. i think it is important for us to all recognize the white house just announced will be calling and end the covid-19 emergency. so there is no need for us to vote to amend the rules, to allow for this. of course we extend our heartfelt prayers and good well wishes to mr. raskin as he is going. something certainly all of us can understand and hope the best for him. his first pregnancy, pregnancy is a wonderful gift for women. and becoming a mother is a wonderful thing for it does not stop many women from showing up for work. so i don't think that should be considered to be a concern of why we need to adopt this amendment that members can't show up.
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think it's important for all members to come and to be present. as much as they possibly can because we have a job to do for the american people and i yield back. >> and gentle lady neatly yields back attorney for the discussion question with the chair recognizes pickwick thank you, mr. chairman it's great to call you mr. chairman. i oppose the amendment. on a personal level ranking member raskin, so many of us have lost loved ones to cancer. i want you to fight and i want you to win, god bless you. >> or yields backward any further discussion? and again, the chair pledges to work with any member depending on the various circumstances. that has been the rule, that will continue to be the rule. if no one else seeks recognition
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the question is on the amendment. again i urge my colleagues to vote no. all those in favor, although supposed say no. in the opinion of the chair the no's have it. >> roll call vote please? let's roll call vote will be postponed in the file be announced in advance. does any member seek recognition and on further amendments? works mr. chairman have an amendment at the desk. >> the clerk will designate the amendment. the clerk will designate the amount we don't have the amendment? >> amendment number four. we don't have it. okay. >> it is at the desk. >> one moment please. >> amendment number four to the rules of the committee on oversight and accountability. as offered by representative.
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>> chair recognizes. >> thank you very much mr. chairman. make leadership and on to congratulate you as well. in fate congratulate a new position. rules of the committee and oversight accountability. authorizes house committees and attendance of witnesses. and they productions of documents. will require a majority vote approval prior to authorizing and issuing a subpoena and the conduct of any investigation and within the jurisdiction of a
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real opportunity strong bipartisan oversight if supported in the past. whimsically please we hope today i hope we embrace this moment we can show the american people and members we are still prepared in this committee regardless of our different political beliefs. would encourage my colleagues to support the amendment i yield back any a hamper meeting. chair recognizes himself as a powerful and limited circumstances. use an appropriate when
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necessary to obtain certain certain's sensitive information such as when a friendly subpoena is just to protect a witness. under normal course of committee business hope to work with the ranking members on supposed in advance. though acquired to work quickly and efficiently provides less opportunity for debate to uncover the truth and the timeliness of fashion. i appreciate it's pointing out i have supported this amendment last congress but you all opposed it. so, we just want to keep the rules you all have them in the last congress during the past two congress is committee democrats as i said and voted against change and refused at
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least two occasions my written request to vote for a subpoena before it was issued. and if we need to provide that for any fact finding will be happy to do that. with this event they asked the image to change the rules to give them refuse to and democrats were in charge. the former chairwoman maloney pointed out during our last organizational meeting hundreds of subpoenas have been issued under both republican and democrat controlled congresses in this committee without any vote. democrats have provided no valid reason today to depart from this precedent. so i oppose this amendment and urge my colleagues to vote against it. does any member seek? the chair recognizes mr. raskin. >> mr. chairman thank you part i rise in support of the gentleman's amendment. and indeed, or the great things about congress changing hands is weak it's a quote each other from the prior congress. and mr. chairman then you did
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say the subpoena is a powerful tool and notice and consultation are common sense measures the majority should to the fullest extent possible. you are absolutely correct to point out the majority did not accept that. but i will say that effort going to be on a race to the bottom of the precedent was set by the trump administration president trump said he would not cooperate with any subpoenas at all and simply shut down the process it's been ignored and rejected hundreds of congressional subpoenas and i don't think we want to go down that route. i don't think you want to encourage them by an on that route. i would encourage a complete reset at this point. let's resolve to do better together platelets issue subpoenas together. let's make the subpoena stick and work by making sure the administration comprises a bright urge all my colleagues to support the amendment and i yield back. >> 's or chairman? practice any further member seek recognition? mr. conley.
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>> think you mr. sherman. you know, the issue of subpoenas in this committee's has a long and sorry history. when dan was chairman he issued hundreds of subpoenas, losing track of who he had subpoenaed as a matter fact it kind of made a mockery of the process. when tom davis, my predecessor and henry switch back and forth as chairman and ranking member, they actually set a model where they genuinely did consult each other and try to cooperate on the issue of subpoenas. why is that important? from institutional point of view i fully simply proliferate the world with subpoenas we are going to dilute the importance of that as a tool. you correctly pointed out mr. chairman it is a tool to be used sparingly and it ought to have force. i happen to believe congress
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ought to revive contempt enforcing subpoenas institutionally as a separate coequal legislative branch of government. that is a fight someday i hope we will revisit. but, we want to make sure, i think all of us as members of this committee a subpoena has force. that it has a meeting. that has brought support behind it. and i hope as we move forward, that is the spirit in which we look at subpoenas at issue subpoenas for the sake of the institution. for the sake of the integrity of this committee. i think the chair and the ranking member and i yield back. >> hegemony yields back the chair cracking as mr. sessions for. >> to chairman thank you very much great mr. charming to understand the devices going on back and forth. we've got a lot of members here who seemingly are also brand-new. back in 1997 and 98 when i sat on this committee chairman
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burton was in charge. and it forced into having several hundred subpoenas. as a matter fact i remember items of which i was in particular a part of with johnny strong. a communist chinese who came to this country to infiltrate our national security. a man who didn't come in and compromise the clinton administration. a man who compromised companies. a man who compromised to use political contributions not just to get in the white house but have the commerce department to allow exports of important items of national security that dealt directly with rockets and their
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ability to work off of a gyroscope. it was one of the biggest political important things that dan birx and jed the attorney general chose not to answer questions when almost everyone in her department in u.s. attorney from san diego who is bringing forth the case against johnny chung. she used her political power to stop those things. national security, things dealing with not just this committee met the entire country needed to know. so he was forced to issue these three times the attorney numeral of the united states went into the hospital for exhaustion rather than coming to be a part of what this committee is asking for. i am aware of the games they get played. i am aware of the things that are hidden behind executive privilege and other things. i would like to see us as opposed to that now since issue
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is is on the other foot, to encourage as we ask things this committee and other committees have gained knowledge about how to use the power of not just this committee but of congress against donald trump. and if you don't think those things will not be expected now the shoe is on the other foot we have lost it. i think the ranking member and others on your side should use this as a commonality. a stick to avoid what we have to do. that means you have to be forthright in the administration which is the oath of office that you took. and leave yourself defenseless. i think it's less work for common sense. i would appreciate the judgment giving time to express my ideas
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for. >> or chair recognizes from pennsylvania for. >> thank you, mr. chairman. just wanted to observe now that republicans are in the lead it's not lost on me that suddenly it has become a race to the bottom. don't you all find that fascinating? i yield back. >> a gentleman yields back. but before he called a vote if i may, i am excited about this newfound willingness to work with republicans. so i think we will have some opportunities to work together in the future on subpoenas. the chair recognizes mr. palmer for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman i congratulate you on your chairmanship rest ranking member you are in our prayers. having been on this committee previously and now returning.
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have into the process we issued subpoenas critically involving salt those subpoenas and preservation orders were not honored. the gentleman from virginia raises an interesting point about using contempt in cases where our subpoena power is not honored. i have full confidence you will only issue subpoenas, mr. chairman, judiciously in full confidence you, mr. chairman and your staff will not lose track of any of them. the case redo issue subpoenas are cases of evidence preservation orders can very likely be the case in this committee. i think we might need an additional tool to make sure i'm
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sure those are complied with. and we do the duty the due diligence they are required to do. they have to engage in the next couple of years without mr. chairman yield back. >> thank you. in support of my amendments. i have heard represented burton's name mentioned a couple of times. let me just tell you this about dan. he and i fought on a number of issues all through the 80s and happened to the 1990s. we tried to find where we could commonality on things that did not push us and push congress and the wrong direction in fact gotten one argument in front of president reagan who jokingly said can i take you guys out and
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buy you an ice cream, and get you to agree? dan and i had strong differences. very, very strong differences of opinion. but at the end of the day i thought we can make a commonsense argument you could win over his support. he thought were he can make a commonsense argument he could win over mine. when i look up at the portrait of elisha cummings hanging here i am reminded elisha always said we can do better than this. and mr. chairman you're absolutely right about the last congress. you voted to have this amendment in place and the majority ruled in that instance the majority may have been misplaced in its support. but having said all of that this provides us with a fresh opportunity not to turn left or to turn right to go ahead
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together as a committee recognizing if not, who knows two years from now we might be back in the same position was someone on the other side making the argument for this amendment. life is too short for that and i think more than anything else when it comes to subpoenaing witnesses and documents there ought to be at least where we provide a semblance of unity. a semblance of bipartisanship so that democrats and republicans are in fact agreeing on those subpoenas but i would ask people to kinda keep that that in the back of your mind. when you use the term reset i think that is the perfect word for this situation. we can't reset the clock now and start moving in the right direction. or we can continue in the path we are going which is both the ranking member and the chairman said is a back-and-forth seesaw on whoever controls the gavel, yield back thank you sir.
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>> thank you, mr. chairman. i am fascinated on this desire for freshness. this desire for a reset. having wandered through these halls for some period of time what this rule is without the amendment is not dissimilar from what we see in the judiciary chair that happens and we have been contented with that. we have lived with that we know how it works. and quite frankly we know how it works in here. that is not my friends across the aisle have engaged in for the last four years. this is nothing unusual. the notion this is going to provide unity if we adopt this amendment is almost laughable on
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its face. it will provide a secretary of state clinton russian reset moment is also laughable. the reality is we have disparity here. we view the world differently. we can find accommodation we should and we will. but there is nothing unique, bizarre, or out of the ordinary on the current rule we are going to be voting on. so just they were going have this freshness, this reset then saying now that you have control we don't want you to treat us the way you have treated us. you don't want to be treated the way you've been treating us.
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and you are saying please, please have mercy. the reality for me is the pendulum may have begun a real far to the left. it will swing back a bit to the right and ultimately it will find equilibrium and equilibrium will come as we find points of accommodation, points we agree on going forward. but this amendment does not begin to do what i think you're telling me is going to do. irredeemably apposite. >> a gentleman field for 10 seconds? quick summary yield and back i'm to yield to you. >> just want to set the record straight i'm not going to say please please have mercy. [laughter] no no no i'm a fighter is not what i'm saying. i'm saying please, please let's try to correct the wrong. >> that is fair enough, thank you and i appreciate that.
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i think everybody on this committee are fighter since we are on this committee. that's part of the reason we love being on this committee. try what we country. >> a chair recognize a gentle lady from georgia. >> i really appreciate the sentiments that bipartisanship. i think that's what's missing in congress. i would also like to remind the committee that after two years of a very heavy controlled hands here in congress and on committees republicans did not have a voice. i am pacheco had no voice being stripped of them by our former speaker out far as subpoenas are concerned bring it president trump and now his family have been treated by democrats eric
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trump in particular has never broken the law. i think subpoena power is extremely important. i opposed the generate sixth committee. i think we can trust republicans on this committee and our new chairman jamie comer to do a great job with it. i yield back. >> a gentle lady yields back. the question is on the amendments. all of those say all those opposed say no. no. is the opinion of the chair the no's have it. recorded vote has been requested roll call votes will be postponement time will be announced in advance. >> mr. chair an amendment at the desk. the clerk will designate the amendment.
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rosalie committee chair recognize rep reps in a portable. >> thank you mr. j i offer this so our subcommittee with the house rules we just enacted this amendment it is appropriate if it is appropriate for non- governmental witness to appear remotely. before i was served in congress as a witness before congress many times. and it is difficult for people of regular means people in rural areas people from tribal communities to be able to travel here to washington often on very short notice and always at their personal expense. i think this committee room in
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the halls of congress need to be filled with the voices of regular americans. americans who are living and experiencing the very problems the great challenges we are trying to do oversight. this should not be a committee room for the voices of lobbyists again and again and again are heard and heard loudly. chill everyday americans from modest means from indigenous areas he can't travel when the chair determines it is appropriate. let's just enacted setting forth a procedure so that the chair in his discretion may exercise that authority clearly. >> a gentle lady yields back. i pledge to fall the house rules. in fact i am bound by them to take all the steps necessary to seek permission to appear remotely the house rules give permission and provide the
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instructions for this accommodation i don't blame my friends on the other side of the aisle have demonstrated why this amendment is necessary. i urge my colleagues about against it. universally adopted is completely system with them following through rules of the house itself. the amendment ensures testament people across the country often times we talked about wanting the voices of america to be heard here. this is precisely the way to do it. it protects equal access to the right to testify drink witnesses are not barred by distance or money for travel delays or whatever might be the circumstances beyond their control. it's common sense and hope you can all endorse it.
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>> dismissed norton? >> i support this amendment. again i call to the committee the congress is evenly divided so it will make a difference that such a member be able to vote remotely. i strongly support this amendment. >> mr. chair. researcher recognizes ms. porter >> adjustment to clarify the amendment does not permit voting remotely. the amendment at the desk is to allow non- governmental witnesses who would otherwise have to potentially travel to this committee on short notice in the chair's discretion to appear remotely. it does not affect our duties inflicting up the voice of the full swath of the american people. >> i will do everything in my
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ability. jeff a witness and demonstrates in on the financial means or whatever to be able to appear in person that we will work with them anyway we can to accommodate spirit will take that on a case-by-case basis. that is my pledge. i don't think this amendment is necessary. any other member seek recognition? don't oh six recognition the the amendment. all those in favor all those opposed? in the opinion of the church the no's have it. any other member seek recognition? >> i would like to request a recorded votes. >> recorded vote is been requested roll call will be postponed in a time will be announced in advance. any other member seek recognition? >> was her chairman have amendment at the desperate courtesy clerk will designate the amendment. amendment number six to the rules of the committee on oversight and accountability as offered by representative
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crockett. cook suture recognizes mr. for. >> thank you mr. chair this amendment quite simply restore the civil rights and civil liberties subcommittee that is been a vital part of this committee's work for the past four years. in light of the tragedy in this past weekend, passage of the amendment and restoration civil rights committee will show the american people in this committee stands for but whether we will raise taxpayers time and money on fishing expeditions our weather will dedicate ourselves to holding those who violate the civil and human rights of our constituents accountable. because under the current rules package of one of our constituents have a civil rights violated, or their civil liberties curtailed this committee offers no place for them to turn. the rules written in unmistakable message of the american people their civil rights and civil liberties are no longer a priority than what had 18 congress as they have been in the past of congress for i know each of us regardless of
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our political background beliefs earnestly and the importance of civil rights and liberties. so why would we turn a blind eye to their violation? especially in a time like this one across the nation from small towns to big cities americans are crying out against the horrible injustices perpetrated against tyre nichols in so many others every single day. it is undeniable the civil rights of american people are under threat and this committee must do something about it. our congress has a proud legacy conducting history making that rally the nation to its most humane resolution. in 1871 lesson two years after the passage of the 15th amendment guaranteeing the right to vote regardless of race the ku klux klan's domestic terrorism to infringe on the newly guaranteed civil rights to votes. unlike later child support members of the kkk were vigilantes in the 1870s, local officials took part in this vile
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organization in the face of this brazen attack on american civil rights the congress rolled up his sleeves conducted real investigatory oversight 10 month investigation 13 pages of report the findings of that investigation were the cornerstone great struggle of the landmark civil rights the committee charged with oversight and accountability this is the legacy we inherit and we owe it to the american people to live up to it.for concern coe
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jurisdiction of the committee comprised themselves of 18 identified subjects only one of which could be construed to be used to investigate the tragic circumstances of the death of tyre nichols. the civil rights as one of over a dozen charges of that subcommittee when opposing rights and liberties should be one of the core functions of the committee. it's a question of values, legacy, a question of justice. let us live up to the legacy and assure the american people we hear them and we are fighting for them and restore the subcommittee on civil rights and civil remedies. i urge passing and with that i yield back.
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>> any topic that isn't mentioned in the subcommittee jurisdiction is reserved for the full committee. so we can have a committee hearing in the committee on basically anything we want. i know there's a lot of new members on the committee so i just want to go back in history a little bit. i think the members on the other side of the aisle would agree we had a very good working relationship. we worked together not just maloney and i put several members on bipartisan legislation despite what the media says. last year chairwoman maloney and mr. connelly and mr. lynch worked together to pass what i think was the most significant bipartisan bill in congress. the postal reform bill. and we will have the postmaster
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general before the committee soon to give an update of how that's going and see what other improvements and need to be made. the chairwoman worked together on a lot of cybersecurity bills, bipartisan bills. i worked with mr. connelly on many good government bills to come out of this committee. so, there were some bipartisan successes but i requested several committee hearings to chairwoman maloney to have that would have been and should have been bipartisan and i want to go through these. we were very interested and very concerned about how some of the covid funds were being spent but we never had a committee hearing like we are going to have tomorrow to examine covid and i
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know the select committee which is a different committee had some hearings on that, but we never had a single hearing on that. we were concerned about the origination and i know there's a select committee but there was a little separation between this committee and the select committee. i think we will be working a lot closer with that a select subcommittee next year or this year than we did last year. i requested a hearing with the fda to look at cbd oil, something we are all over the board with. there's people that support cbd oil, hemp derived products and people that oppose it on both sides of the aisle. that's something we should have and could have done but she refused and the last most baffling to me, something that
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we will have very soon we wanted a bipartisan hearing on the pharmacy benefit managers. we had several hearings in the committee on prescription drug pricing but we never touched on the things that i think is in erie others bipartisan. we are going to have those hearings in this committee so i think there's going to be a lot of opportunities to work together. there's going to be opportunities where we may disagree but i do believe there will be a lot of opportunities to work together. if there are hearings that my friends on the other side of the aisle are interested in having that would have bipartisan support, we are very open to that end we are going to meet a lot in the committee. so you're going to have to work hard. we are going to have a very active subcommittee process. so, any topic that's not mentioned in the name or the
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subcommittee jurisdiction is reserved for the full committee. so, i don't believe this amendments necessary and i urge my colleagues to vote against it. does any other member seek recognition? >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you for that expression of openness to having hearings on the full range of matters that would bring us together in the committee in interesting ways and i very much appreciate that sensibility that you've brought to the job and i'm glad that we are indeed going to begin on covid-19 relief and abuses that have taken place under that program and certainly something that we pursued very aggressively in the select committee. i'm delighted the oversight committee will take it up. i want to strongly support the gentle ladies amendment.
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it raises the important point that we had the subcommittee which just seems to have vanished under the rules and with mr. cummings looking down on us i feel the obligation to stand in defense of the subcommittee which i was the first and i guess only chair up to this point that got to serve with ms. mays from south carolina and the ranking member and we did a terrific bipartisan work in the subcommittee on civil rights and civil liberties but there is an important point that makes this something far more than a semantic issue being raised by the gentle lady from texas. there is major purposes. one is to make sure the laws and programs congress adopts
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actually go to the benefit of the people that they are intended for and not siphoned off in self enrichment and other forms of fraud and abuse. the other purpose is to make sure the government is always respecting the rights and freedoms and civil liberties of the people with the conduct of its operations. the gentle lady raises an important point about the structural focus. our subcommittee was able to look at things that brought us together across partisan lines including certain kinds of abuses into the war on drugs, governmental seizures and forfeitures that violated the civil liberties of the people. we looked at extremist political violence being led by dangerous extremist groups in the country.
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even before the explosion of violence that overcame congress and the capital on january 6th, 2021. the chair recognizes ms. green. >> thank you. i do agree with you about tyre nichols death. i watched the video and it was tragic and extremely difficult to watch. i would also like to point out that the city is democratic-controlled and the five officers that have been arrested and charged are black and i think that this isn't an issue of racism or anything like that. i think that the judge and the jury and the trial needs to work out what happened but i share that with you. i would like to point out something you shared with me. there's a woman in this room whose daughter was murdered, ashley babbitt and there's never been a trial.
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as a matter of fact, no one has cared about the person that shot and killed her and no one in the congress has addressed that issue. the january 6th committee didn't address it and i believe that there are many people that came into the capital with civil rights and liberties that are being violated heavily. this committee will i hope look into the civil rights abuses. i would like to say and point
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out to the rights and liberties are important but we have to make sure that we crackdown on the two-tier justice system and i yield back the remainder of my time. >> seeing none, the question is on the amendment. all those in favor, all those opposed, no. in the opinion of the chair, no house it. roll call votes will be postponed and the time will be announced in advance. are there any other amendments? the clerk will designate the amendment. >> amendment number seven to the rules on oversight and accountability as offered. >> mr. donald for five minutes. >> mr. charan and to the members it's what we've actually been doing under the discussion of the rules of the committee.
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for the freshman who were just here in my colleagues who've been here a long time the process of the committees in congress typically happens and you're ready recognition so the members typically come in by seniority and you are recognized and not all members but a lot of members do leave at the end of their five minutes, so we have witnesses in the room and there's a situation where there is no dialogue between the members of congress. there's a back and forth of those in the room and there's no broader discussion by the committee. the rule changed what would provide disability for all members to be recognized through the chair so at the discretion of when they want to engage in dialogue would go to the chair it wouldn't be to your five minutes. you would have an ability to engage in dialogue.
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or to even have dialogue three witnesses with members on the other side of the aisle. >> this rule change actually facilitates the base in committees. something i found coming in as a freshman we do very little of income at ease. this rule change will help the committees be more efficient in time because instead of being structured in five minute blocks where we have the staff members in the room and they write to the commentary to five minutes it would give us the ability to get to the point and sometimes you would only need two or maybe even wanda. the third thing it would do is we have issues with government officials who do have two come before this committee and sometimes their time is limited and so what this amendment will provide for is the ability for their time to be respected and for the members of the committee to have less seniority and the
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ability to engage before they have to leave because some of them have two or three hours so that is the structure of the amendment. i would also add i am aware there are members on my side of the aisle who have concerns about this amendment because we are in the process where we kind of structure our days and time based upon when we come in and out. many of us have committees that meet at the same time for the structure of the house that i think should be changed. to my colleague on the other side as a legislature where you schedule your committees so members can be where they need to be but because this is something that is new to congress and i think this is something congress does need but also its my hope is that the chair man would work with us all to facilitate because we will be touching many topics that require the debate of the members through witnesses
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instead of just speeches to the witnesses for clips and reels and all that fun stuff so i want to make sure they are working effectively and efficiently and i'm going to withdraw my amendments but i do think it's something the members should think about not just in this congress but the evolution in the years to come. i yield back. >> i will work with you on that and agree with what you're saying and will make every accommodation possible to do exactly what you just said. any other members seek recognition? we are going to recess until 12:30 and then we will try to get through this as quickly as possible. we want to be -- then we will
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have votes. the committee is in recess. >> to take the postponed recorded votes. a recorded vote has been requested for number one. the clerk will call the role.
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roll call roll call. >> are there any other members that haven't recorded their food? >> he is not recorded.
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>> will the clerk report the tally? the vote is 23 in favor, 19 opposed. >> i think that's wrong. >> my apologies. >> 23 noes, 19 yes. >> the amendment fails. >> a recorded vote has been requested for raskin amendment number two. the clerk will call the role.
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member seek tobe recognized to ? twenty-three noes and 19 yes it is. >> is. >> the amendment fails. a recorded vote has been requested. [roll call]
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[roll call] how has he been recorded? >> he's not recorded. >> has any other member not been recognized for a vote? the clerk will please report the tally. >> 23 noes and 19 yes. >> the amendment fails.
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the recorded vote has been requested. the clerk will call the role. [roll call] [roll call]
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has mr. jordan been recorded? >> mr. jordan has not been recorded. >> any other members seeking recognition? see and none, the court will report the tally. twenty-four noes and 19 yes. >> the amendment fails. a recorded vote has been requested for the porter amendment. the clerk will call the role. mr. jordan. [roll call]
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the porter amendment fails. the recorded vote has been requested for the crockett amendment. the clerk will now call the role. [roll call]
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>> i voted no. how has mr. perry been recorded? >> mr. peer he is not recorded. >> he votes no. >> any other members not been recorded? seeing none, the clerk will report the tally. >> 24 noes, 19 yes. >> the crockett amendment fails. since we've concluded our votes on the amendment, i moved that the proposed rules be adopted as the rules on the committee of
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oversight and accountability for the 118th congress. all those in favor, say aye, those opposed, no. in the opinion of the chair, the aye has it. a recorded vote has been requested. will the clerk please call the role. [roll call]
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>> did any member need to vote? will the clerk please report the tally? >> 24 yes, 19 no. the rules are adopted. the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. the oversight and accountability for the 118th congress will be published and in the congressional record made available on the committee's website before we conclude of the organizational meeting i want to yield to the ranking member for some closing remarks.
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our staff have been working hard for a bipartisan agreement that outlines how we will handle certain issues such as maintaining whistleblower protections for witnesses and the use of committee records committing to not investigating to their staff the security clearance policy and several other agreements intended to facilitate bipartisan cooperation. so the committee can conduct its mission as efficiently and effectively and in as united a way as possible. i hope we continue the conversations and appreciate the thoughtful consideration in this regard and i yield back. i love this newfound willingness. i think we are going to get along just fine the. this concludes today's organizational meeting without objection the staff are authorized to make technical and conforming changes for the action were adopting the
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resolution embodying the rules. without objection the committee stands adjourned. >> [inaudible conversations]
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all of my colleagues
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particularly in new york state i supported george santos as the nominee and the people of his district voted to elect him. we just got out of conference and george has removed himself from committees as he goes through this process but ultimately voters decide and i'm very proud of that in new york state with five districts to deliver us the majority and ultimately voters make the decision about who they elect to congress. again this process is going to play itself out and again it's going to play itself out with the voters are going to make the decision whether it's in the primary or the general election. thank you. >> i am just struck by the chaos, confusion, dysfunction of the republican conference. they defended putting him on committees and now they are announcing he's not going to serve on the committee so i don't understand what the play of the day is. we've had from the beginning
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that george santos is not fit to serve on any committees and republicans defended him initially as they announced his committee appointments. so they agree with us now i don't know if we can trust of the memphis is the decision of the week or the final decision but clearly george santos has some issues and concerns and this is likely the outcome of his meeting with with the speaker. it's unfortunate when republicans are put in the position to defend someone who only has a passing relationship with of the truth and we will see what the message is next week. >> i also urge george santos to listen to his republican and democratic constituents and resign from congress as well. >> he was confronted by
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reporters outside his office shortly after announcing plans to step down from his committee assignments and responded to questions about the ongoing investigations into his finances. i haven't been in touch with my campaign staff. i have nothing to hide. >> about your finances? >> your questions will be answered to the appropriate people. the media isn't --
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