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tv   Panel Discussion on Abraham Lincoln  CSPAN  April 1, 2015 11:46pm-12:23am EDT

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american artifacts, historians take us on a tour of the courthouse in virginia, the site of the confederate surrender on april 9th 1865. next lincoln's life and legacy, and speakers from the day take questions from the audience. cohosted by the abraham lincoln institute, it's half an hour. >> we're now at the last scholary segment of the program today, the speakers panel. there is 30 minutes and we'll talk about the talks today, and any other subject with lincoln.
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>> floor is open for questions. >> following up with dr. alfred. do you think that booth was jealous of his older brother, his fame, and that sort of led him to do what he did on april 14th get that attention, that thing missing from his career by doing something very, very dramatic? >> jealous of his brother edwin? >> yes. >> his fame? >> yes. >> not himself, but his fame. no, i think the rivalry between them is overstressed, and in a recent book or two, and, of course, you got the normal sibling rivalry any brothers have competing for space in the same profession, and not that much spaces right? there are not that many first class theaters was there was tension there, and i think edwin was jealous of john as vice versa, but they were excelling
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in different lines of work, not totally, but playing different characters. there was one after edwin saw john do one play. gave him the costume saying, i can't do that, and john admitted he was a better fellow and edwin was a better hamlet, but i think he wanted fame. it was not theater. he had this. i should have said this. it was a real feeling, and he uses the word cowardness. he let the war gone on doing nothing, played a hero, but he was not one. i think, you know he was filled with self-reproach, and he wanted to distinguish himself and getting lincoln would be the way. i don't see any abnormal jealousies in the family there. just, i think, normal ones. >> thank you. >> yes. two questions relative to treatment of veterans, any
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comments using treatment of the, and veterans here at the mall, and are you familiar with jim wright's book, those who bore the burden? >> any specific things to address in terms of your questions? >> with regard to the veterans after the war, just parallels between their treatment and what you talked7&wfç about this morning relative to treatment of vette raps after the civil war and ongoing involvement with veterans. >> those are good questions. >> what i clearly try to do is utilize the past to deal with the present. and there was no doubt that what we've learn about treating veterans has built over the past two centuries.
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in the research i've done for two decades, one of the most acknowledged aspects5 and to the country which they return, and there's aspects in which they return to, the fact it was a civil war, the fact it was an american civil war in relation to the objectors of the war, and the fact that you had a despised minority who prove themselves good soldiers, and one thing over the years we found is that military service is not only radicalizing, but there's things not tolerated when they come
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home, and we've seen that with war after war, in particular in response to african-american soldiers. marines and sailors. that's truman's desegregating the army after world war ii. you had by fiat, something done, which most opposed, and yet you look at the military now, and it's one of the showcased places where merit is rewarded women minorities are in highest positions of authority, where people are expected to achieve, and people are expected to be trained. and for many people, the service has been the way in which they got an education and they've been able to get a way out. we know all that. >> there's a lot of data coming from the israeli defense forces and information there, and those are two citizen soldiers that everyone serves, men and women.
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so put this together, look at what we learned, and we learned a fair amount but i do have a caution as i mentioned before. the portrayal of veterans in the media, particularly the last couple years, it's starting to remind me of what we saw during the vietnam era. it's disturbing because it is not truly a representative presentation of men and women who come home from service in relation to that. so that when i use with this i use demographics of iraq and afghanistan, reservists and guards, but look at the representation of the union armies, they more closely match the world war ii veterans in terms of the entire population, president's sons serving, people from all walks of life. you're not getting that now with the all volunteer army, and
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there are other reasons associated with that. does that answer the question? >> yes. >> this is for all of you, whoeverments to answer it, doing with the emotional lincoln, and i think we all know that he was very emotional. there's the story of when he cried, nobody knows the trouble i've seen and, of course, his alleged suicide moments when he broke the first engagement, and all of that. of course he had great stoic character and did not show the emotions as politician, the president. do you know of scholarship that delves into that emotional side that very much so in my opinion, from my research that he did have, i'm researching it
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myself. i just have not come across a whole lot of it and probably it's not there so much because he hid it, but i wonder if there's comments from you on the emotional lincoln that was very much there. >> i'll start. the book, lincoln's mel colony. it's clinical depression and although lincoln is hard to read emotionally, what was so fascinating about his mourners was they spoke about loving lincoln. they loved him but as a father whereas when kennedy was assassinated, people most often spoke of him as a brother or a son. that speaks in a way to lincoln's emotional distance or reserve. >> i have cautions about sooik history. i have indeed, as you asked for
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this morning a licensed psychiatrist, i'm bound by the association not to speculate on diagnosis of historical figures, including lincoln. by the same token, we are bound to this, and what you can do is look at whatever information is available, put it in context but i caution against trying to utilize information on someone dead since 1865 trying to put that into categories that is now 150 years later in terms of that, and i think at times what a figure as large as lincoln, what would not be so large in a lesser human being is made langer in that extent. and i do have concern about that. having said that and, by the way, it was not clinical depression per se.
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he was talking about what we now classify as distime ya in relation to that. i do point to -- a shoutout given to me in a world of lincoln, i felt was one of the most astute psychological views of lincoln in relation to that. again, if dpepds on what you are trying to find, and i would make another point. he's a man a lot of people thought they knew and yet he's an enigma in a lot of ways because he did not reveal himself in other ways. one last point about that. when lincoln talked about slavery, he generally talk about the economic consequences, talked about that, he rarely mentions the break up of families, but psychological aspects in relation to that, and he never went to the funeral of his father. i find that very revealing in a man who had the kind of sympathy
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that we know that lincoln had. i am a psychiatrist. into mention that. that's a revealing point. >> just a couple points. the spielberg movie, i think is insightful the script, especially in seeing lincoln's relation to tad, his son, at the end of the his life essential in that part in 62 up to the end of lincoln's life, that bond formed between them, i think, he reads very brilliantly how it supported lincoln emotionally, and that allowed him to do his political and policy work with strength and, i mean, the -- the point i think, shank makes is that by the end of lincoln's life, he had more or less moved beyond depression and that strength that he showed in the time years of the war, i think that's strongly related to his
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relationship with tad after the death of willie. >> thank you, all, very much. >> yes, sir? >> noting the problem that's already been raise with the difficulties of this diagnosis, i do find that in the case of booth as with the other presidential assassins that the enormity of the crime seems out of proportion to the specific issues that motivated the asas sips themselves, and i wonder whether or not that's an issue either any of you would like to address? i feel it's a point historians made with respect, and i'm left somewhat ambiguous with respect to booth if it was not inordinate identification with the confederacy, that the enormity of this crime seems to
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be somewhat difficult to explain, if not, and i wonder if it's in booth's writings that provide insights into motivation? >> well, the one piece of evidence that we have in his own writing is his white supremacy, so he does -- what he says or what his come pappon testified that he said when lincoln was giving the speech on april 11th which is the last speech ever made although that's indirect testimony, booth did write a long letter that made the same points in his own hand writings before that testimony was taken and so that's not necessarily -- a lot of people write sue preppists and did not murder lincoln, but whatever motivated him, that's pretty clear. >> everyone's looking at you
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terry. [ laughter ] >> i think the most interesting point about all that to me is that this is i think even with people's racial attitudes into the 21st century that booth didn't see how african-americans could gain freedom without him losing his. captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2008 captioning performed by vitac
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in the top 1% of the state were in d.c. as part of the senate youth program. with congress out this week
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for their spring recess we are featuring american history tv in primetime. next a day long forum on the life and legacy of president abraham lincoln from ford's theatre. jonathan white talks about the dreams of death president lincoln is said to have had during his life and how those were interpreted in the years after his assassination. he is the author of emancipation and the reelection of abraham lincoln. ford's theatre cohosted the event. it is just under an hour. my name is douglas wilson. it's my privilege to introduce the first speaker in the 2015


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