tv 1968 New Hampshire Presidential Primary CSPAN March 31, 2018 9:45am-11:31am EDT
of state bill gardner hosts a look back at the state's 1968 presidential primary. the panel included then supporters of democratic senator eugene mccarthy, president lyndon johnson and republican richard nixon. mccarthy opposed the vietnam war and his challenge to president johnson in the nation's first primary, along with robert kennedy's entry soon thereafter, is thought to have played a role in the president's decision to pull out of the race less than three weeks later. republican side, mr. nixon's victory launched him on a path to victory in november. this is one hour and 45 minutes. >> welcome to all of you. being here on such a historic day for new hampshire. the idea for this came about two whos ago when the person
wrote the first book about the new hampshire primary, chuck, there was a memorial service for him. who was the number one on the democratic side in new hampshire for eugene mccarthy was there. i met him for the first time and as i was listening to him, it made me think about having something on the exact day here at the statehouse to commemorate that primary. i asked him if he would be willing to come. he was very happy. this buti hope you do i am not sure if i am able to be there. we lost him a year ago in february. he knew at the time he did not have a lot of time left. that is how this began. that primary was the last primary to be on traditional town meeting day, the second
tuesday of march. we have not had one since on that day but everyone before it, that was the 13th presidential primary that we had. -- i thought it would be a good idea to have instead of people that have read the putory books about it, to together a group of people that were here and participating and part of it. but -- five of the 10 here at this table were not old enough to vote because you have to be 21. that was the last eight presidential primary you had to state-- that was the last presidential primary you had to be 21. teenagers and the other five were in their 20's and early 30's. they each have their own
perspective. -- the primary was march 12, today. on the saturday following march 12, bobby kennedy announced he was running for the -- for president. on -- before the end of march, the president announced he was changing his mind, he was not going to be running again. there was not another primary until april 2. that was wisconsin. new hampshire had several weeks. iowa caucus inn 1968. it was much later. the iowa caucus -- when both parties had caucuses, did not -- didn't begin until '96. i mean '76. democrats had a caucus and
republicans didn't. new hampshire was all alone and the whole country was watching and analyzing what happened in new hampshire. that is what set the change forever because people were amazed at what happened. they were pleased that the little guy could change the course of history. no one expected, what happened in new hampshire. it wasn't that lyndon johnson didn't get more votes. he did get more votes but he lost the delegates and the primer is for choosing delegates to go to the convention. 20 of the 24 delegates on the democratic side ended up being mccarthy delegates. on the republican side leading up to it, everyone thought it would be the republicans who had the brutal battle. it was going to be a bloodbath. everyone thought the democrats -- it would be an easy going because they had an incumbent president running.
that was what was written up until the day of the primary. then right after the primary, everything was turned upside down. first time magazine come out, they described it as new hampshire has this penchant for turning things topsy-turvy. once again it turned things upside down. the republicans had a virtual front runner and the democrats, rather than an easy nominee, ended up with a potential, brutal conflict for months to come. that was what people -- and all the things that happened -- that put the spotlight, and our primary has never been the same since then. will explain the agenda this morning as quickly and introduce the members here.
to my left, sandy and paul . they were involved from the beginning when the very first meeting was held. the johnson part of movement. they will talk about the beginning of this, of the mccarthy effort. the three next individuals, paul was in the legislature in the mid-60's. he has been on and off over all these years. it is the same with the other people on this panel -- ever since '68, they have been involved in one way or another. time magazine dedicated a whole titled, "the crusade of
the children." it was all about the 17 and 18 year olds who were from new hampshire or came here from other parts of the country to campaign. whatwill each talk about happened in their communities and their regions of new hampshire. chuck has been a representative, house member since the 1970's off and on. same thing with representative cushing. mark stevens will talk about his canvassing and his efforts and a little about the convention. roberts and ruth griffin's, former executive counselor, they will talk about the republican side. richard nixon was the big winner, pretty much the nominee after new hampshire. jim, former senator and state representative, he will talk about the johnson side.
because he was the chair of unh, the democrats were johnson. joe, publisher of the manchester union leader will talk about both party primaries from the perspective of the newspaper and from a reporter's perspective of pieces of information that probably both of you have not heard before but, from, his perspective of what he was able to hear, from his father also, who was editor in chief, of the daily morning and evening papers. that is how we will go through this this morning. then we will open it up at the end. with that, it is quite a privilege to have sandy here, because she was at it from the
cradle, that very first meeting. sandy is from hanover. arey and paul together going to tell us about how eugene mccarthy began and then what happened here. >> i am david's former wife, very good friend. he passed away of pancreatic cancer one year ago in february. he would die all over again just to be here. this is a holy day in our family, march 12. i will quickly give you chronology. on october 25, curtis came and met with david. they were interested in getting a candidate to run against the president. david gave him a number of names including our good friend, paul. 5e first meeting was november at sylvia chaplin's.
you saw sylvia in the film. we had another meeting. curtis took the names of people, that they got and he went out and talked to more people. on the 19th we created, of november, we created a committee. david was chair. you are vice chair? yep. carl was vice chair. we got off running. on november 20, press conference announcing a committee and david would go on to be a congressman for massachusetts, were at the press conference. 27 -- november 30, mccarthy announced his candidacy but not in new hampshire. we were at the conference for concerned democrats. curtis and allen were there. we kept making appeals to
mccarthy, they said, you have to come to new hampshire if you want to be considered a serious candidate. mccarthy attended a meeting at sylvia's house. on the 14th of december, he walked in and said, what is this? it looks like a government in exile. continued -- david and gary kept putting pressure on mccarthy and his staff to get in the race. clark was very important. he was the chair at that point. on the second of january, gary, david and i had dinner and david was called on the phone. the person said, dave, i have decided i will enter the new hampshire primary. that is just some background. i think one of the things -- this is from david's book.
he said, this is really successful, abe drive to stop johnson has to come from inside the democratic party, using persons familiar with the party processes with legitimate political reputation." paul,ople we had, like they were established in the democratic party. challengeen like to some of what my good friend, tom mcintyre said. we did not destroy the democratic party. voters, 90,000 democratic voters to the list. a number of people active in that campaign went on and some are here, to the leaders in the democratic party. bill, i don't know how many of you know him, bill is considered
the father of the modern democratic party. i remember remember in 1960 he said to david, we have got to stop being republican lite. we have to stand for something. 1962, mcintyre and john king were elected. in of them was the first one 40 years and won the first one in 30 but i don't recall. you saw bill say that he resigned as chair of the state party. david was talking to him throughout the campaign. but he knewriend, he could not come out for mccarthy. anyway he was very close to the kennedys. very, very close. had bobby not died, there was a good chance bill would have been in his administration. managee little stories i -- i managed to have dinner with
paul newman when i was 27. i was in hanover with my two children, i said what are you doing? i'm in manchester, i will have dinner with paul newman. excuse me? i got a babysitter and went down. [laughter] paul newman was an exceptional person. he would not sign autographs. he would say, i am not here for paul newman, i'm here for gene mccarthy. we sent him ice-skating up in berlin, new hampshire, he campaigned and was fabulous. he knew the issues. we also had tony randall. i went to copy, i took him to coffee, he was always signing his own autographs. i went home and said david, you have to get to the campaign. we pulled him and told him the schedule was over and brought paul newman back in. it was the difference in
approach that newman was so committed, being against the war, he was not there to promote himself. thing, whenresting the campaign got really nasty at the when the campaign got really nasty at the end, you referred to -- they started calling us in traitors. there were two major democratic players in hanover who said that's it. gene hennessy, who passed away, and bob guest. they both passed away. you will they were johnson him delegates, but they said, this is it. and these people are not a traitors. we know them. we know them well. and somehow, the mccarthy campaign got into a radio station and got a copy of the ad. that -- david would remember how, but they literally got in, got the ad so they were ready for what hit and it was right before the election, so they
knew it would be called traitors, etcetera. it was a very well organized campaign. you we met so many wonderful people and brought a lot of new and people who had never been will will active in politics into the political process. in i think that's basically it. i promised i'd be brief. my -- mine is a personal story, and i'll probably forget some things that i wanted to mention, but it began, really, in 1964. at that time, i had served my first term in the legislature when i was a student at unh, and president johnson came to new hampshire, which was unusual because they usually didn't come in the actual presidential campaign, and he appeared at the
carpenter ballroom in manchester, and i still remember what he said. he said, i will not send american boys to die in asian soil. i took that and of course i agreed with it. and at that time, of course, we had the draft. it didn't apply to me, because i had served four years in the navy before, but in -- i went to a young democrats convention at the laconia tavern. i think it was in the summer of 1967, and that -- and it was all johnson. and by then, we were fully engaged in the war, and it was a divisive political issue. i, of course, was against that. and i went back saying, my
goodness, someone's got to run. i even thought, you know, i was 29 at the time, of running just to make a political statement. i knew i couldn't -- wasn't old enough, but we needed somebody, and i'm sure that i mentioned it to bob dishman, who was taught at unh, and along about in october, a fellow from out of town, curtis, showed up in my office and talked to me about getting a candidate to run against the war and that he was acting with david lowenstein, who was truly a charismatic figure at the time, and i said, sign me up. we didn't have a candidate, but it was going to be an anti-war campaign, whoever it was, and then in december, at sylvia chaplain's house, gene mccarthy
came, and he was aloof from day one as a politician. and he said that he wasn't planning on entering the new hampshire primary. he was thinking of new jersey. which i think had a primary in june. i confronted him. i still remember that. i confronted him and said that if said that if he wanted to be considered a candidate for president he had to come in to new jersey, and if it was some other thing that he was doing, not to bother us, and he -- he then announced that he was coming into new hampshire and we had to go out and fill a delegate slate. and i remember talking to one person asking him if he would sign up as a delegate, and he said he couldn't because he couldn't go to chicago that
summer, and i said none of us are going to chicago. [laughter] we need -- you know, we need a slate, and -- and that was -- that was the -- the tenor at that time. it was -- it was a -- a real protest candidate campaign, and i think it was because we had the draft in, and young men were subject to the draft and everybody was trying to get out of it, students, nonetheless and people were drafted so it involved the country like nothing has since then, and if we had the draft today, we
wouldn't have been in afghanistan for is a15 years, for instance, or we might not have even gone to iraq. i mean, it -- universal service is a wonderful thing in a democracy, but the -- as the campaign developed, sandy mentioned the -- the statement of john king. in now, john king had -- he had been a mentor to me. he was elected governor in '72. in '62, thank you, and i was in the house and i -- i was on the education committee with -- he had a $20 million bond issue for a education at the time. education committee met in this room, by the way, in 1963. you will and he convinced me to go to law school, so he -- he wasn't -- we weren't unfriendly.
and we were fairly close, and he -- he came out with that. i was on my way to wheb at the time for some sort of a program on the campaign, and we were called as it came over the news traitors. and i said to myself, i said, well, i said, well, this is probably the last political thing i'll ever do. an thing i'll ever do. but it's worth it. and it was. that's the kind of commitment that people had at that time, and we -- because at that time and we were elected as delegates will individually, we ran in the first district and the second district, and -- and coincidentally 50 years from then my son deglan is running in him the first district in a very crowded field for congress. and he's here with me today. in the delegates swept the
field. you johnson had delegates, but he wasn't on the ballot. he did get more votes than mccarthy. it shows you that the winner of the new hampshire primary isn't always the one who gets the most votes, and i think they have done -- they did away with the direct voting for delegates and in after '68, i think, but we no longer vote for delegates, you will will but i remember going to bed that night very you early. i was ahead than john king and senator mcintire, and they ultimately got more votes than i did, but i thought it was a good time to go to bed. will we -- a few tidbits about the convention. in and by the way mccarthy got the highest vote plurality anywhere in new hampshire.
in portsmouth, new hampshire which had a navy base and an air base and he never came to portsmouth, not once. we did have tony randall, sandy, and and i -- and it was -- i took tony randall through yokun's restaurant which was the place to go at that time. and believe me. in a i have never taken any politician who was as well received as tony randall was in a yokun's during that campaign. -- it was glorious, and my -- my sister peggy was a waitress at the time, and he met her, and the next day my sister
was in manchester with me at a political event and tony randall remembered her name, and i just thought, you know, this -- this guy has something, and he did, but that was a -- it was a -- it turned out to be a great surprise to everybody. we got to chicago, and it was like going to eastern europe where everything was controlled. delegates could not even bring a newspaper into the convention because it would look like we weren't paying attention if we were all reading newspapers. that wednesday evening mccarthy delegates took over the floor at about 5:00 when -- between sessions, and we protested the war. we had a big black banner that
we trotted around. we got some publicity about that, and the next day when the vice presidency was to be ie was one of the candidates and our delegation voted almost entirely for muskie, but before that happened david hall, who was our chair, he got sort of arrested. well, he was -- he was -- he was prevented from coming into the convention because they had these phony pass devices that you had to put your credentials into the device, and there was a red light and a green light, and if the green light came on, they let you in. well, he figured that that was not a real device, and he put his mastercard in the device. his dartmouth card.
>> he was working with dartmouth. >> and it worked. he got the green light, and so it only had a green light, and they stopped him. frankly we were -- we were very upset. you know, most of the delegates were for mccarthy and governor king sort of knew what i was up to, and he came up to me face to face and head to head and he said i want my vote counted. and we both voted for muskie. and i said to him, governor, you'll get your vote counted. i had no intention of voting the delegation that evening, and when it got to new hampshire i said, new hampshire, and i knew
that at the time they would cut me off if i tried to bring in the detention of david into my talk. i knew that that's the way they were. they would just cut you off, and you'd have no mike. so i said new hampshire, whose motto is live flee or die, it later got on to the license plates passes, and i thought that maybe someone in the announcing would mention that our chair had been arrested. and i don't know if they did, and the -- and we never did get to cast our votes for muskie who became the vice president. i remember when i was leaving chicago after humphrey got the
nomination and would not talk about the war or change his position at all, i said that i cannot vote for hubert humphrey. eventually i did, but i think it really cost him the election because of his stance. he didn't say anything about the war until it was too late in october. one other vignette about that convention. there were a lot of protests in in the streets of chicago and at one time, jean danielle, a member of our delegation for mccarthy was using a bullhorn or some microphone or whatever.
he was on the balcony of the conrad hilton hotel egging the protesters on. gene daniel had been a representative of the house, mayor of franklin, and he -- he -- at one time he put a bomb, a stink bomb in the stock exchange. so he -- he was a real protester from day one. anyway, the fbi arrested him -- well, they didn't arrest him, but they detained him and i was escorted down into the bowels of the conrad hilton hotel to vouch for gene daniel who was actually a delegate for mccarthy, and they let him go. but it was a time that none of us who were there will ever forget. it was a different time than today. as divisive as the issues today appear, it doesn't compare in my mind with that, and as sandy
said, those of us who declared -- who were declared traitors at the time stayed in politics because of gene mccarthy. convention, he was the most unpolitical person that you could have as a candidate. he refused to meet with delegations and there were those of us who at the time after bobby kennedy had been killed who were trying to put out feelers to ted kennedy to come in and -- and stand in as a candidate. he had sort of worn out his string, i thought, and he was more of a poet than a candidate, but he was the candidate. it could have been someone else and the 1968 primary probably would have played out just about as it did in new hampshire, but
we surprised a lot of people including ourselves. thank you. >> can i add something about the conventions since i was married to david at the time. david was arrested. they handcuffed him. his hands were numb for about a month. as they are going to the car one officer says to the arresting officer we'll take care of you, meaning they -- they were swearing at him. they were trying to get him to do something, and he didn't, and then they picked him up in a very un -- in not a nice way to throw him into the car and they did arrest him. and one of the reasons -- david and i weren't very technologically -- we were technologically challenged. friends later said they knew we had different colored paper passes, that they would have known that the technology would
not have been able to read those, but what happened is david looked up in the balcony, and it was packed with humphrey people. chicago, okay. and some of our alternate delegates, and wasn't it your -- was in your wife a alternate. i was. >> she was there but not an alternate. >> okay. one of our delegate alternates could not get in and david goes bingo. these things have been a joke, so that's why he did. he unfortunately used his dartmouth employee pass, and that didn't go over too well. the other quick thing i wanted to say was we were helped by a very sad occurrence by the tet offensive because at the end of january, and they have been talking about it. remember the tet offensive? david and gene mccarthy picked up walter cronkite at the airport, and he got in the car and he said they have been lying to us. we are not winning.
johnson supposedly said later on if we've lost cronkite, we've lost the american people, so i think that turned the public finally finding out that, no, we weren't winning. also contributed to mccarthy's success. >> chuck? >> thank you. when bill asked me to speak, i said this is 1968. i was 15 years old. trying to remember a lot of what went on, i did remember that i -- that i met -- not -- i met gene mccarthy and also met paul newman when he came and spoke in rochester. having grown up in a family with my grandparents, i got into democratic politics because i would go to union meetings, union hall with her instead of hiring a babysitter. didn't do that back in the days. you just brought the kid along with you. so i grew up in a union family, and also there was a tailor shop
which basically replaced the downtown barber shop in rochester where all the democrats used to get together and the mayor would have his kitchen cabinet sort of get together, and it was between my house and the high school that i went to, and it was a family friend that ran the tailor shop, and he was involved in democratic politics and i used to stop in there as a young student, and he had a coke machine. i could always grab a free coke from him and sit there and listen to the democratic politicians in the community. rochester was a french, catholic, democratic, conservative community, and i got involved in politics. and as a student at spaulding high school during the campaign, i became quite against the war in vietnam. friends, older friends of mine were being drafted or sent away. they would come home and tell us stories that -- things weren't going as well as everybody was saying, and so i became an anti-war activist at spaulding high school.
i was called a traitor. i was called a commie, a commie sympathizer. i would do my book covers out of grocery bags which would have political slogans on them, and during that campaign i had gene mccarthy on my handmade book covers at school. and i became a source of a place where if you wanted anything to do with the mccarthy campaign at spaulding high school, i usually had the buttons or was able to get the flyers. ended up going door to door. some of the older democrats in the community didn't particularly appreciate it, but they sort of chuckled and said, well, he's young. he will learn. 50 years later i don't think i've learned what they wanted me to learn but that's all right, that you know, you get in line and we're all going to follow the president wasn't the way it worked out. we had a small group of us. i was a band geek at the time so
i had some band friends that were involved, and i was also on the debate team, not a very good debater, but i was a member of the team, and we -- we -- we looked for a candidate when gene mccarthy came to new hampshire and decided to -- we got out there and we worked for him. we went door-to-door. it was my first experience scared as hell knocking on doors and handing out flyers. we stood on the streets with signs. we -- we did as much as we could to promote an anti-war candidate because that was the primary thing. we were there to oppose american presence in vietnam, and as a 15-year-old in high school it was a different experience where normally 15-year-olds don't get involved in that kind of stuff since i remember as young as 6, and 8 going to union meetings seven, and watching democratic politicians on tv with my grandparents. it's something that certainly inspired me to go on in the future. shortly after i worked on the mcgovern campaign and ran for
the house. was successful. ran for the city council in rochester and served almost 30 years off and on as a city councilman in rochester and after a 30-year break from politics here at the state i decided to come back. i didn't actually decide, but i came back this last year. bill tells a story. actually my last term in the house i went to the voters and , said i just got a job, won the primary. just got a job, please don't vote for me. i won, so i ended up losing that job, but that's the way things roll, but it certainly being in the halls of the school, working for a candidate, getting information out and sharing information with fellow students, it was interesting that when the final vote came down, rochester went for mccarthy. >> >> -- >> like chuck i was a 15-year-old student -- i was at a high school in hampton which
was not a democratic town, a republican town, but when i was a freshman, my cousin ralphie who was from salem came back from vietnam in a wheelchair with stumps instead of legs, and that made me think a lot about what america was doing. i gradually came to the conclusion that the war in vietnam was a terrible mistake. i remember getting this book given to me by a high school social studies teacher by howard zen, "the logic of withdrawal" and i read it through and it just made sense we shouldn't be in vietnam but i didn't have an outlet for it. as it turned out after football season, a couple of teachers, david moran and this other teacher, jim pachulis had signed on to the mccarthy campaign and had opened up the mccarthy campaign movement in hampton.
i remember the -- when the office first came and it was a small trailer. it was -- they pulled into, they rented and pulled into the town parking lot on high street, and this was not an rv. this was like a little camper trailer that we would go in, and that was the headquarters. kind of the beachhead for going out and leafletting in the town. i remember the day when a bunch of fliers arrived, and we opened them up and they were fliers that said whatever happened to the secret ballot because what had happened is the democratic establishment, you know, governor king and senator mcintire, who were all supporting johnson, had pledge cards that they were sending out. you had to publicly pledge your allegiance to the president, and that seemed a bit disconcerting to some of us that, you know, we were going to be suspect, but it was able to turn it around and say whatever happened to the
secret ballot? it made you think about what is our democracy all about if you have to publicly declare allegiance to the governor. i was pretty, you know, young and enthusiastic. i knew that i was glad that we had a candidate for president because i knew we would end the war, and the way we would do it is just by convincing enough people. like everybody else my age, i began proselytizing to my parents. at some point my father was, you know, a disabled vet, world war ii veteran who almost instinctively, you know, supported the war, but we had lots of conversations with my mother who had seven kids and was thinking about what the future was going to be for them. we had the experience of my cousin who was a marine coming back in a wheelchair, and gradually i think myself and some of my other high school peers, you know, convinced our parents and our cousins and our
aunts and uncles that they should vote against the war. i remember though how awful it was to see the signs that, you know, a vote for mccarthy was a a vote for hanoi. somehow my motivation to become involved in the political process and to support a political candidate for president had nothing to do with wanting to betray my country. i actually wanted a country that exhibited the best. i have -- you went through my old high school year book from 1968. here's what happened at the high school in hampton. paul, as you know, mccarthy might have come to hampton, and you can see what was happening in march of 1968 at winnekunet high, basketball national --
basketballashua, spalding. senator mccarthy, and then the science fair. it's interesting. i was really -- i watched -- the night of the new hampshire primary i was so excited because i knew that we had changed the world. it's pretty exciting at 15 to know that knocking on doors and dropping off leaflets and licking stamps can change the world, and i knew we would end the war in vietnam that night. and then, you know, events came tumbling down. i watched on television when lyndon johnson said i will not campaign for and i accept the nomination for the president of the united states and head toe think about the trail that was sitting in the parking lot in the town where we all gathered, and we ended up forcing a president of the united states to resign from office. there's a lot of legacy that i
think that comes out of that mccarthy campaign. i know for me within a year i was back involved in politics. i came here to the state house. i testified in support of a bill to lower the voting age from 21 to 18 because the enthusiasm generated by the mccarthy campaign, the anti-war. we knew if only 18 to 21-year-olds vote, that would easily have turned the tide against the war, and so that was kind of, you know, a direct line from the mccarthy campaign to the work that, you know, continued to do here in the state here and the communities. one thing though that was sad is i looked through this high school yearbook. i remember i looked at a picture of steve philbrick who was a friend of mine who 15 months after the new hampshire presidential primary came back -- had graduated from high school.
he came back from vietnam in a casket on june 6th, 1969, and from that, mr. jim: to us was one of the co-chairs of the hampton mccarthy campaign. put a sign up on his car that said vietnam sucks, and a couple weeks later that car was firebombed, and the failure of the war to end also prompted me to be, you know, memories of walking two-person picket lines or vigils on morelli square on route 1 in hampton, myself and my brother, two boys and police cruiser demonstration, holding signs to end the war, and it was very frustrating i think to go through a cycle and come back and four years later to still be talking about the war during the 1972 primary. but at least i took some solace in the fact that i could cast my vote there. anyways, i think that, you know,
what i learned as a 15-year-old, you know, working for mccarthy was probably the most transformational political experience of my life. >> mark stevens. i was in southwestern new hampshire, 17 years old when this all started. i suppose my father was as big an influence on the way i spent that piece of the late winter. he was -- he shows up as the -- as one of the first nine donors to the entire mccarthy campaign and in david's book, i was surprised to find him there, the magnificent sum of $2, but nevertheless. anyway, it was -- he was not the only -- this was very much in
the air and very much among my friends, and we -- and i was -- it turned out to be enthusiastic in the cause. we had -- in keene, new hampshire, we had a remarkable i think little strategy group, the core group there. we tended to meet at the house of connie wood, and the other people involved, the felds and gregorys, there were several couples involved and david in his book gives a lot of credit to the remarkable qualities of that -- of that keene group who -- who in certain ways i believe set the tone for a lot of the organizing that went on subsequently. anyway, i was nothing but a foot soldier. i would pick up the fliers and whatever and head out -- and head out canvassing door-to-door over a -- i guess a reasonably
decent swath of territory, and i met with nothing but -- all of the encounters were really quite -- were very civilized. new hampshirites were very civilized about these things and if it didn't bring you around sort of at least listening to you and sending you off with a good luck kind of wish even if you guessed they were not necessarily going to be voting for gene mccarthy in the end. and it was kind of thrilling. i'm kind of shy. i think by temperament and not a forward personality, and i must say stepping on to the streets for the first time as a canvasser was -- was very scary, and then -- but then i would always realize that within a couple of minutes i was really enjoying this, and it was really -- you know, it was really fun
actually going around from one -- from one door to the next and not having the slightest idea who you're going to meet with but kind of becoming really pretty -- becoming -- soon becoming quite confident that people at least were going to be decent in the way that they received you, and you might actually change some minds. speaking of changing minds, i -- i always recall that it seemed to me that the most effective of all the fliers that we had, and there were a number of them, was the one in my -- in my experience, was the one that had the picture of general douglas macarthur with the famous quote that anyone who gets the united states involved in a land war in asia should have his head examined, and this was apparently controversial, and when it first came from the --
the ad people who had devised it and david ho and gene mccarthy had to discuss whether this was something appropriate that should actually go out there, and they -- they finally decided that, yes, it was fine. i've got to say in my experience it was -- i took to putting on top of all the fliers so it's the one that would catch people's eye. if they saw nothing else, at least they would have douglas macarthur there, and the -- and it struck me -- it was very interesting to be reminded recently from my reading about the polling that took place. there were even exit polls, polling that took place around the new hampshire primary -- in the wake of the new hampshire primary that indicated that most mccarthy voters in new hampshire were in favor of the war in vietnam. and even a poll commissioned by lbj himself maybe that indicated that they were overwhelmingly in
favor of the bombing in vietnam. it seems very counterintuitive, but i -- i guess -- i don't know that anybody has shown that this was -- that this was misleading. i wonder -- i don't know exactly what it says, but i think -- one thing that occurs to me is that for all of the criticism that mccarthy received over that year for his qualities as a candidate, all the ways in which he was lacking, quote, lacking as a candidate, you know, sort of the coolness, the intellectuality, the -- the elevated language that he was so good at wielding. i sometimes wonder if they -- if a lot of people didn't mislead -- didn't get him wrong in a way
and that the fact that even all of these voters who were in favor of the war in vietnam were in fact casting their vote for gene mccarthy. i think it says something that it may be kind of confusing, but it is -- i think it says something about his -- to me it seems as though it says something about his remarkable qualities as a candidate which were -- which were, of course, he was not the candidate for everyone, but he was -- but he sure seemed in new hampshire at least he really seemed to get through to a lot of people by his manner, by his -- i don't know, by his dignity and by his bearing and language and -- and it's -- it remains -- remains a mystery to me but i still -- i think he was not a person to be underrated. anyway, ended the year by
heading out to the convention with god knows what in mind, but i was very -- emotions were running very high, and i think just the emotions after the assassination of martin luther king and then bobby kennedy i think were really very hard things for a lot of people to really to assimilate, and somehow there was just a rawness of all of this that was somehow i think impelling a lot of people to head out there in spite of the threats that had been -- that mayor daley had been very good at communicating to the nation ahead of time. anyway, it was a pretty fascinating time. i managed to avoid getting beaten by luck as anything else. i -- on the big day of the convention, the wednesday my friend connie wood, an alternate
delegate contrived i think to be ill, under the weather and she passed me her alternate delegate credentials, so i was allowed to spend the entire day inside the convention hall. i must have been about the youngest person. it was a fascinating -- it was fascinating to see from the inside. it was chaos inside just like it was chaos outside, and we were -- and we up there in the balcony, alternate delegates were a very noisy part of the chaos inside and sandy was our leader. was our unquestioned leader and we were -- and we were -- and we were making an extraordinary, extraordinary amount of noise, whether or not -- i'm not sure how much could be heard by the tv -- by the tv recorders or whatever, but it was -- it certainly seemed to be making an
impression up there, but the -- it was extraordinarily exciting and there was -- there was an enormous amount -- there was an enormous amount to see and it was such -- it was chaotic, chaotic in its eventfulness, and there was a weird lack of information sort of being imparted between the streets and the interior of the convention hall. nobody in those days had cell phones or anything of the kind, and there was no communication communication was bollixed up but it was certainly an indelible moment in american life. i think i will stop there. >> very quickly.
the california delegation walked out and they announced that the chair of the new hampshire delegation had been arrested. my parents and david's parents found out that way, that he'd been arrested and wisconsin made a big deal about it, too. >> before we turn to the republican ballot, i'm going to ask jim to give the johnson perspective. >> do i have to? can't i just go home and apologize? after listening to the mccarthy advocates and the children on the ballot or the ballot children, i can now understand why johnson comparatively speaking did not do very well in new hampshire. imagine if the ballot children had been able to vote. paul, one of the reasons, by the
way, that mccarthy did so well in portsmouth was that i was chair of the johnson campaign, and i spent all that day at unh, and unh did not have many mccarthy -- many johnson supporters. in fact, i had to convince two friends of mine from my dorm to hold signs for johnson, and the way i did it was i promised them a six pack that night, and, in fact, i think we had two because of the news, although i think both of them were supporting mccarthy. the johnson campaign was not very well run. the ballot -- the pledge ballot or the pledge card that a couple of the mccarthy supporters referred to, and i got this from -- from susan roman who is from durham and has collected some incredible things. she's given this to me. i'm going to put it on ebay.
[laughter] just kidding, susan. was a three-part ballot or card that supposedly a vote was -- a voter was supposed to put his name down and then fill out the information letting people know how to get her, and a white house copy would be send supposedly to lyndon johnson. i'm sure he didn't look at them, at least not after the primary, that essentially said i pledge to vote for you, and i support you as president. my brother was very involved in the johnson campaign. he was a lecturer at the university of new hampshire. he's been written up in david 's book. there is pretty much a full chapter because my brother who was known then and still is, he lives just outside of washington as a bit of a maverick, as perhaps i am, kind of created some controversy in the johnson
campaign by pointing out that some hatch act supporters for johnson, were getting -- you know, they were on the government payroll, were participating in the primary, and i certainly saw that firsthand. but both of us supported johnson on the basis of we did not want to see richard nixon elected, and we felt that if -- if johnson and the democratic party had been in an infight, that very possibly nixon would be able to win in my brother november. debated -- my brother was one of the co-chairs on the state level for johnson's campaign. he was 27. now he is old. he is seven years older than me. he debated alan lorenstein who went on to become a congress person that year and as you know
was murdered about a decade later after he left congress by somebody who came to his office, a great man though. after alan lornestein gave his presentation, my brother said i agreed with everything you said about mccarthy, but that we should not be dividing the democratic party because richard nixon would win. now, that -- that was a reason why i supported johnson as well, although i really in my heart supported bobby kennedy and i was glad that he ran and offered himself as president, but that was not a good reason to not support gene mccarthy. and, in fact, i had the chance, like so many other people in portsmouth and at unh to meet paul newman, shirley mcclain. i met so many other actors and
celebrities supporting mccarthy because johnson's campaign was totally void of all of that. we didn't even have a presidential candidate visiting. when you actually think about it, it's remarkable that johnson had as many write-ins as he did, because write-ins themselves are very difficult to do on any ballot, especially one that had so many different names because people were running for delegate as well, and especially in those communities where people had to vote by machine, where you actually, you know checked a box , with a lever in those days and try to find out where do i exactly put a name? so comparatively speaking johnson -- johnson's campaign did well, and what i learned later on is the purpose of the pledge card which was initiated in state by organizers,
democratic organizers for johnson was so that they would have a database. they did not have computers. they would have a database, the party would have a database to be able to organize. however, because the democratic party was so organized by a hierarchy that supported johnson and opposed mcgovern and mccarthy and then mcgovern four years later and -- and opposed the kinds of reforms that needed to be brought, the party really took a while after 1968 to be able to recover. you are right. the mccarthy supporters are right, that the body bags, and i saw that. i was a student. friends of mine after the lotteries, and you saw that your lottery number was like under 100, you know, in those days to be drafted. there was a lottery held and all 365 numbers were taken up, and
if your birthday was on a certain date you knew when you were going to go. i was always in the upper 100s, so i was pretty safe from being drafted, but when somebody knew new -- that their number was 100 or lower they dropped out of , college in ordorder to get a preferred spot in whatever orvice they wanted to go in they went to canada to avoid the draft. by seeing the body bags coming back home, by knowing people who we knew, friends of ours dying, my moms and dads having to bury their children at such a young age because of a war that really nobody wanted, and i think the reason really why lbj decided not to run again was he was -- he was stuck. he could not figure out how to get out of the war. he was tied in too much with
military, industrial complex, and he probably wasn't feeling good. he didn't do well in new hampshire, so by the end of the month he said the hell with it all, and he decided to let others step up, and, you know, we know the result. i will say one last thing about the primary and the passion that the ballot children had and the passion that a lot of people nationwide brought to the -- brought to the election process and wanted to campaign and get involved in politics. because of the division that we saw in new hampshire between democrats fighting with democrats. i mean, people did not talk with one another for years if they were supporting johnson or if they were supporting mccarthy, and four years later if they were supporting mcgovern or muskie. because of that and certainly with the republicans several years later running into the watergate problems and seeing
national politics on their party dissolve, there was a lot of lack of interest after a few years and continuing to do this to ourselves, and there were few people coming up to the plate and saying that new hampshire should keep the first in the nation primary even in state because what have we had done to ourselves, because it does create a lot of division, and that's when some of the other states started to see opportunities to jump ahead of new hampshire, so 1968 was really pivotal in that 12 primaries before 1968 we had the first one since 1920. kind of by default. no other state wanted to jump ahead. national parties, kind of laissez-faire but the two primaries we've had since 1968 there has often been a battle with the primaries and states in wanting to make new hampshire a little less significant. it was a fascinating year. driving up today, by the way, i tried to remember exactly what i
was doing 50 years ago. it's amazing that we all remember that, and i did some research when i got up this morning, about 4:00, on my computer and found out that 50 years ago the temperatures in concord were 26 degrees. there was no snow here, no snow for the rest of the week. we like to see that. there was a little snow in the north country. the gas price -- the gasoline price was 33 cents a gallon. it is a little more now but with inflation adjusted it's not all that bad today compared to then. the minimum wage was $1.60 an hour, and if we had kept pace with that, the minimum wage today would be $16.50, so obviously we have a lot more to do. thank you. >> one of the articles i read said that people were going back to the mccarthy headquarters with snow on their heads it that night so they must have been in , the north country then, so the
-- the republicans were supposed to be the party that had this big fight on their hands, and it didn't turn out to be that way, and so we're going to have ruth griffin, former counsellor and george roberts, the three-term speaker of the house talk about the republican ballot. >> thank you. yes, we are going to talk about the republican ballot, whether you know it or not. there are still maybe a few of us around who knew what was going on in -- 50 years ago before that presidential preference primary day. we had walter peterson, an -- and walter peterson was the backbone of what made that whole administration, whole election successful for mr. nixon. there was a group organized by the title of the committee to do
the right thing. i think, george, you were part of that. i know i was, but walter peterson got a large group of very young people in this state of new hampshire to come together to work to get some structure into the republican party and to build up the election base so that we would have some semblance. of course, walter peterson was with mr. nixon. george romney was toying around, and i didn't even know who he was, but i'll tell you that nelson rockefeller was in the state of new hampshire. he was romancing everybody all around, and when he came to portsmouth, he got all the predominantly republican men and women to go to the rockingham hotel which was a great thing at
that time to have a little get together. lots of drinks. i think i had my first martini in that rockingham hotel. >> or the last one. >> started to build that terrible habit, but he really romance the republican spirit the one night i'm talking about at the rockingham was early, you know, pre-dinnertime, and there was a big crowd there. when it was over, we all went up to the portsmouth high school because nixon was having a rally up there, so we got everything taken care of on the rockefeller side and we all went over to the high school to meet and greet with richard nixon.
you know, listening to the -- the democrats, as they have been talking about the primary and what happened between the primary and the election, i don't want anybody to believe that the republicans were just sleeping. we were actually the sleeping giants who came forth on primary day and then again in november and were so selective in what they did and made sure that richard nixon became our next president. i was up in my attic and i'm not supposed to go up the stairs but because new hampshire has a archive in concord. i have one in my attic and in one of the old bureaus, was my husband's collection of what he did.
he was chairman of clyde keith's election committee. clyde keith was up in dover, mayor of dover. he was running for governor and a few other things, and john kay was one of his coordinators. well, my kids don't even know where those papers are, but they are in that chest, but over on the other side of the attic are all these political signs and worn out political buttons of all the elections, but the most prized possession is a little paper bag that richard nixon handed to me, and there were all these buttons that said nixon's the one and after i handed out half of them, i thought, i better keep a few of those, but how many people in this -- in the state of new hampshire have such a place in their house
where they remember all of these primaries, all of these elections over the years and how important it has been to the history of the united states of america. like mr. gardner, secretary gardner said in the beginning, we were apt to do things in the beginning and maybe that is right. i used to campaign, and i would say new hampshire is great because it all started in the beginning in portsmouth, and we established in portsmouth and then we grew like a giant and went all over the state of new hampshire. and i still believe that was how we grew to be such a political state. we didn't always stay together naturally, but -- and i've got to tell you of all the delegates , who appear on that board, i
pretty much know where they are. they are in a yard with a lot of snow on top of them right now, but i'm still here and so is george roberts, and we have a lot of wonderful memories of what went on before the presidential primary, and, of course, after the primary, well, i've got to say nelson rockefeller really didn't do too well because as you'll remember through the news media and underground they started bringing up about his divorce, and then they were having people say how do you feel about a president who has been divorced? and you would find that -- and george will explain that later, that i think once nelson rockefeller realized in new hampshire that wasn't really the thing to do if you wanted to be
the president of the united states. as for george romney, you know, it was years before i really got to the know him, because as has been said, he dropped out early and went home and started his own political career in another state, but we're very fortunate in the state of new hampshire. you know, i've got to tell you they thing that got me started. we've all kind of put our lives into what we are doing. 50 years ago i went to a lincoln day dinner and sat next to walter peterson, and this was after the organization of the committee to do the right thing. isn't that a ring to it, and he said, well, what are you up to, ruth? and i said, my baby is going to be on mr. lincoln's birthday,
13 and i told my husband as soon as my sentence has been served and i've got five kids grown to be teenagers and none of them had the police at the door and we've never had to go to court,e have never had to go to court. i said i think i should be a would go out and do something on my own good the committee -- ruth griffin -- the committee to do the right thing was in politics. it started before the primary with my mentor walter peterson. yearse are today, a few later and i am reminiscing about a wonderful life in the state of new hampshire. we are still doing the right thing. george, it is your turn. griffinou know why ruth was appointed house majority w hip.
appointed in the first true designation. as you probably know in the parliamentary process, the whip gets you votes. it was ruth's obligation to make sure we had the votes before we voted. reisch comingert up to me, he was the democratic leader, and saying how come you win every damn time? i said because we are the majority. [laughter] >> sitting here, i got sad when we got to the end of the other side of the table, thinking about the history. depending on where you are in age and in memory, you have to , in thethe young people 18-25 age group have grown up in
families where there was a war almost constantly. 1939 because i distinctly -- i call myself a war baby because i stick remember the sounds of hitler's and mussolini on the bbc as we listen to the sunday night news. subsequently, watching what was family fight in the military service on the seas, they all came back alive. as i walked into my high school, we now had the korean war. the korean war was a war that was sort of forgotten. it and came home, thought they were doing their patriotic duty, and believed they were, and we tried to forget it. in my age period, it had gone
past the point of being a drafty because i volunteered right off. you are going to get chosen so you went in. i want to the coast guard and came out and went immediately to the university of new hampshire. there i started getting involved with a fellow named spalding, a former executive counselor, peter spaulding. he was the chairman of the republican party. the university campus had two rooms where the democrats met and republicans met. sometimes they met on the same night and sometimes we would go downstairs and sometimes we would take a drive to dover. , this was a fun thing because i grew up in a family that was very political. in otheror offices states.
it was almost like a boxing match. you get in the ring and you mix it up. when the bell rings and it is over you come back and you hit the gloves, like people do now. in new hampshire, for those who are watching this program, we were all young people. pretty much. new hampshire was smaller. the total amount of people voting was smaller. was put together like a good organization should be put together. it had town committees, county committees with the elected chairman, we had the state delegation, and people would go to the state convention and create a platform, such as it was.
they were organized down the line and the democrats, the same way. everybody was involved. night, theyd me one said what is new hampshire's favorite sport? we were sitting around in some and marshall says our favorite indoor sport is politics. everybody was seemingly involved. the campaign itself -- it seems like everybody is touched about the same people around here. i will talk about the people i touched that were involved. calledired by a group princeton research. it had nothing to do with the university of princeton. it paid well. i had to get through 45 doors
with a questionnaire of about 40 questions and produce that and bring them back to my employer. in the new market, dover, rollins would area -- a part of the state of new hampshire. if you get the proper sampling, you could get a very good reading on people's opinions. i went door to door. it was not too difficult in some towns. i noticed, even in my own thoughts, on a poor area, on a millarea, i am talking to workers, i'm talking to university employees, i am talking to a lot of people in the middle. one question that struck me at the end is after you found out they knew there was more than one united states senator in the
state -- many of them did not -- after you found out he has voted said or four times, you would you vote for a presidential candidate who was divorced. you know what the bell curve is. it was a perfect bell curve. if you are a roman catholic, protestant denominations, jewish, and even other, right there smack in the middle was a -- was a big fat no. i am thinking maybe that report went to rockefeller. maybe it went to his opponents. maybe that was used to get .ockefeller off to the side he did have an immense amount of money to use in the primary. romney went to vietnam and came back and gave the one word, i
was brainwashed. it was not the political parties that got them off the ticket, it was the media. there was a bombast so bad that people say what is wrong with this guy, he went there and he does not believe in america. i walk through this memory, i am thinking, i remember the second world war, i was in high , i wasin the korean war active chasing russian summaries in the north atlantic, which told me there was a strong cold war. then there is the vietnam war. now people want to run the country, want to be the president and this issue is coming to the top. the statistical things i had to do in the school tell me a lot about new hampshire. new hampshire had a very high percentage of people who would serve in the armed services.
south carolina -- they always say there are more in south carolina, but they have take bases there. -- they have big bases. of people in north carolina served in these bases in all these wars -- a lot of people in new hampshire served in these bases in all these wars. it, weook back through can say now because we did not know for certain, there was a disengagement from what the military was feeding our united states president and a disengagement with what the public was getting through the disengagement or a feeling from politicians that one.did not want to lose there were probably looking for the hope of what happens if we hang on.
now to richard nixon. he wrote several articles for , some weretanks published in political journals that have a circulation of 2000. i guess you would call him a globalist today. he looked at the entire world. despite all the things happening quaker, heact, as a did not really like the concept of war. that war onlyts gets you to the table where you finally settle it with a treaty. getting to the table is a disastrous thing that societies have to do in order to keep the peace for all the people who do not have the strength to keep the peace. this has been a republican decision for a long time. peace through strength.
up the slogan a little bit. everybody believes that, i think. many people believe you have to have military strength. military strength that you do not want to use and you cannot use in the concept of mutually assured destruction with nuclear bombs. , atpublic at that time least republicans and many independents and some democrats, felt that johnson had not done enough to get it over with. nixon showed a little hope that he was thinking of a way to resolve the vietnam war and conclude it. that did ultimately happen. it was messy. but it happened.
the idea of why we got into vietnam before was never truly discussed, which started way , by with jack kennedy bringing in special forces, into , and vietnam to help the french and that policy continued. there is plenty of evidence to show that we should have not gone in there for military reasons if we were not ready to thell the way and challenge chinese power. that was richard nixon's strength with lot of people who were moderates. we look at the republican party of the time, gentlemen and ladies, republican party at the time was considered moderate people.
the leadership got myself to pass out slips, and everybody did not know who to vote for so we made a ballot. here are the names, take them to the ballot box and write them down. we did not win the election. it did get us younger people involved in politics and to understand that there are strong differences of opinion. when it is all over, we have to touch base again and see if we can work for the next four year period. it was a wrenching feeling of listening to the opposition, which had strong points, and then listening to the candidate or the supporters who were leaning hard on patriotism and
the tradition that we must win this war or we will lose the global strategy that the united states and the state department, through all the administrations, had supported. thank you. have joe're going to mcquaid, inc. as of his unique newspaperman experience, -- because of his unique using new's -- because of his unique newspaperman experience, talk about both parties from that perspective. >> thank you for putting this on. it is a great history lesson and i think it underlines what new hampshire brings to the national table every four years with people in towns and cities who get out in favor of a candidate and try to impress their neighbors about it. i am much younger then bill. i was only a freshman, he was
already a sophomore. i was not paying much attention to the 1968 campaign, except as it regards the draft and vietnam. my dad would have written the editorial that said mccarthy is a vote for hanoi. as a matter of fact he did write that editorial. shouldic was that people not be for johnson because he is not prosecuting the war correctly. they should certainly not be sure -- not before mccarthy because he is a commie from hanoi. if the people of new hampshire want to do something, they should write in richard nixon. richard nixon did knocked a lot of votes on the democratic ballot. mccarthy gotne more than 5000 votes on the
republican ballot. this revisionist history that somehow a vote for mccarthy was still a vote in favor of the war , i think somebody at the new york times is drinking the kool-aid. i was at unh when george romney was still in, before he made his famous i got brainwashed remarks. newspaper, which was great on names for people, was calling romney chihuahua george. is there anyone in this room besides bill who knows what that means relative to romney, chihuahua george? he was born in mexico. andparents were mormons there was some question as to whether he could serve as president should he be elected. that never came to pass. rockefeller was quite the force. if people had to be reminded
that he had been divorced, they only had to go to william loeb and the union leader who famously wrote, rocky is a wife swap or on the front page. the national press, who was getting to be interested in william loeb said but you've been married before, and he said yes, but i'm not running for president. what very few people knew at the time was that william loeb had been married three times. [laughter] know thatso did not when richard nixon decided he was going to ron, which was 1967, his first higher was a young guy named patrick j buchanan. one of the first orders of business for pat was to go up to the north shore of massachusetts and tried to win over william loeb.
pat went, became great friends loeb and hisl wife, became such friends that when romney is out, and there is a right in effort being stage -- a write-in effort being stage buchananfeller, pat writes a piece called nels the rockefeller says trades in his republican friends, he cut out romney. piece appeared on the front page of the manchester union leader under the byline of william loeb. pat had written it for him. when pat and nixon fly into manchester that morning for a campaign appearance, a guy runs up on the plane and hands nixon
the union leader with william loeb's editorial. richard nixon reads it and says pat, why can't you write like this? side, ithe democratic think it shows the power of the newspaper in manchester. the guy who was the campaign manager for gene mccarthy had started the new hampshire sunday , was a gentleman named blair clark. mcquaidr clark and bj ever got along is beyond my understanding. later became president of cbs news when john kennedy was president. he later edited the nation magazine. i became friends with him. a nice guy.
my uncles were reporters on that paper, along with kids who according to my father only got the job because his aunt put up some of the money, and it was a kid named ben bradley. the new hampshire primary is so important to the body politic of the united states. mr. gardner does a great job protecting that, although he was chagrined when the only question was about town meeting day tomorrow and what he is going to do with it. thank you for having us. >> do we have time for a question or two? go ahead. i know some of you served in the house with bob, he is in florida.
he said he would much rather play golf in florida than shovel snow in new hampshire, and i'm sure you can understand that. 1968 was a big year for bob, that is the year he and my mother had their fifth child and when he became minority leader of the house at 31 years old and then ran for governor of new hampshire. william loeb gave him the name of broad base bobby because he was an income tax supporter. to this day we start people ask my wife, are you related to broad base bobby. to this day bob has nothing but good things to say about mr. loeb. i'm glad to be here to represent bob. bob is still rotating his wrist when he swings the club at age 81. i want to mention that it was a shock to people when lyndon johnson decided he was not going to run again based on the new hampshire primary result.
that was not the first time it had happened in new hampshire. there was a reference in the slideshow to a guy named kefauver. 1952, kefauver, a senator from tennessee, challenged harry truman. truman did not want to be on the ballot. truman said primaries were hogwash. someone talked them into putting his name on the ballot and kefauver cleaned the floor with him. three weeks later, harry truman said that is it, i'm not running again. from 1960 eight, on the republican side, william loeb was a strong backer of next and -- a strong backer of richard nixon. i do not know how much it had to do with the fact that william loeb wanted to get his buddy jimmy hoffa out of jail and that ricks and -- and that richard nixon would hold the keys to the south. >> i want to thank all of you
for this very unique piece of american history here. ago, the last of the towns had opened their polls. everyone was voting 50 years ago exactly right now. hadresult of that voting the biggest impact on our primary than any other primary since or before. primaries, and then this one was the 13th. there were 12 after. in 2020 we will be celebrating the 100th anniversary of being first. 1968.g change was -- country saw something there were only 14 states that had primaries that year. new hampshire was talked about
for almost five weeks about what happened, how did this happen. people,ust the young where the issues now turned upside down? were people in washington realizing the war was much more significant in people's minds than they thought? of david hull, who said this would be a really good ,dea, and i want to thank pat whose husband bill was a delicate -- was a delegate at the democratic convention. he was in that picture with paul. memorabiliaot of and pass that along to us. somewhere.
i talked to her before at the beginning of this. i would like to thank you very much for taking the time to put this together. it is an outstanding program and i hope you can make the film, not just the short film but the available to every high school and college in new hampshire. >> thank you. >> anyone else? sue roman, is she here? thank you. collections quite a she brought that is over here. thank you, susan, for doing
that. and i justfuture, mention that i called my brother an old man and really did not mean that? >> with that -- since 1967, and i do not know who owned the new hampshire highway hotel at that time, but the background of every candidate was discussed their. there.discussed after the legislature when all the lobbyists would end up after the session, it was over to the highway hotel because all of the candidates would have their operation over there. if you did not get it upstairs in the legislative session, then you got it over there.
more policies and procedures were discussed in that highway hotel than anywhere else in the state of new hampshire, except for the manchester union leader. [laughter] >> with that, ruth, you have the last word. thank you. [applause] >> this sunday on 1968, america in turmoil, civil rights and race relations. our guests are former black
panther and emery law school senior lecturer kathleen cleaver and a history and public affairs professor at the university of texas at austin and the author of "dark days, bright nights -- from lack power to barack obama ." watch 1968, america in turmoil on c-span's washington journal and on american history tv on c-span3. this weekend, on american history tv, landscape historian jonathan talks about his recently published book on the history of the white house easter egg roll. here is a preview. >> what were the particular things that the roosevelts brought? >> it was just a good time. fdr was not known to make a big appearance because he was concealing his disability. eleanor roosevelt was there.
she was very much the leader of the easter egg roll during that time. she is the first first lady to speak directly from the easter egg roll on the radio. usually the weather was very good. there was one year where it was not so good, it was very cold, only about 5000 kids showed up which is a tiny number. to runed everybody around, jump up and down, have fun, and stay warm. the entire program sunday at 8:00 a.m. and 9:00 p.m. eastern. american history tv, only on c-span3. c-span's "washington journal" live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. a washingtong,
examiner reporter talks about politics and the media and then as part of the 1968 series, emory university law school senior lecturer kathleen cleaver and university of texas at penielhistory professor joseph talk about civil rights and race relations in 1968. join the discussion. the museum of the bible in washington, d.c., which opened in 2017 has more than 3000 books and artifacts on exhibit. the building occupies almost an entire city block. up next on american artifacts, and the second of a two part tour of the bible in america exhibit, we pick up the story in the mid-1700s during what is known as the great awakening. in the early 1700s, many felt spiritua w