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campaign 2020 with democratic presidential candidate tom steyer. he's scheduled to speak at a breakfast in manchester, new hampshire. live at 8:30 a.m. eastern over on c-span 2, you can also watch online at or listen live on the free c-span radio app. next a discussion about russia, nato and the european union with the ukrainian deputy prime minister. hosted by the german marshal fund earlier this month. this is an hour. >> please grab a seat, we were going to
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please grab a seat. we're going to start. good morning, and welcome to the german marshal fund of the united states. i'm jonathan katz, a senior fellow here at gmf. i want to welcome our guest, dmytro kuleba. ukraine's deputy prime minister for european and euro-atlantic integration. it's great to have you here. i know you've had an incredibly busy schedule in the last couple of days with meetings, very successful meetings both on capitol hill but also with the trump administration. ate busy time for you. of course, right now it's fairly busy in washington, all the way across town with certain committee hearings taking place. i want to welcome you here.
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needless to say this is an incredibly important time for you to be here in washington. in some sense the zelensky government, president zelensky who all of you know took office last spring, has been in office now for six months. it's been an incredibly busy time. new laws passed. a focus on anti-corruption. then also just this week, hard to believe it was only four days ago that normandy meeting took place with president zelensky, president putin, the first meeting face to electrifies meeting since 2016. mr. macron, mrs. merkel. people are interested in getting a better understanding of the outcome of that meeting. there's a sense of different obligations, responsibilities that came out of that meeting,
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including the rata passing, i think an extension of special status of the d omb us which you'll explain. we hope to speak to you about a couple of different issues in a conversation. we'll start here and then open to those who are participating. this is an on the record conversation and we very much appreciate that you can be here and spend some time. but really the to speak both about normandy, about what's taking place in terms of reforms in ukraine. you're the minister for euro-atlantic integration. just yesterday the eu came out with a very positive report on reforms, anti-corruption reforms. if you haven't read it, i have a copy here. i won't share with it you because i don't have enough for everybody. really important the to show this progress that's been taking place, i think, at a time in washington where there's a swirl about ukraine.
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you might have heard about it. it's important to set the record straight about what's actually taking place in ukraine. the challenges that you face across, you know, your border, internal and external. the track nato summit just happened over a week ago the nato summit. within the nato summit statement it mentions the open door policy remaining open. i know this is a priority of yours and the government. we're going to go deeper into some of these challenging issues that face ukraine, but also u.s.-ukraine relations, which are incredibly important and have been for the united states, and as someone who has worked on it both in and outside of government, who want to see ukraine be successful, the ukrainian people, building on desires and when president zelensky won in a landslide election he made certain promises. one to revolve or try to resolve the conflict in the east but also to tackle corruption and
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you talked and i heard you talk here in the last couple of days about trajectory of where ukraine is going. you served in several different governments over the past, in your storied career as a diplomat and i didn't read a full bio and hope those understand based on timing, but you work with a number of governments and one of the things that struck me in hearing from you, even yesterday, is that how different this government is, both in terms of generation and focus. so i'm hoping you'll touch on that, and we're really excited to have you here. and we look forward to the conversation that we're going to have and i think even on a rainy friday it's great to have all of you here today participating as well. so i'm going to turn it over to you for your opening statement and, again, we're deeply preciousive you're here. i think this is one of those
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ju junctures in time we benefit from having you but i look across at those who are working on the issues in the region, getting a better understanding of where the government is going since we're entering 2020 and how best can allies and partners work closely with ukraine. so, i'm going to turn it over to you after my long winded opening and thank you again. >> thank you. before i monopolize the floor i would like to say happy birthday. [ applause ] good morning. i am pleased to be the first member of the new ukrainian government to visit washington. i came at an interesting time. but i'm absolutely confident that we have to talk, we have to
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advance together because whatever happens the central nature of our relationship with the united states is strategic. in mid-august i received a message on what's app from now prime minister asking me if i'm willing to meet with him for breakfast. we met and he offered me the job. i asked him only one question. do you want notice integrate ukraine into nato or do you want me to imitate integration? and he said in integrate. that was a short conversation. i said fine. ever since i joined the government, i have not heard, observed or sensed any hint that we are imitating.
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i see colleagues in the government, i see colleagues in the parliament, i see colleagues in the presidential office. we are moving country west to full membership in the eu and nato. we do it in a discouraging environment because neither eu is not even giving us a promise of european membership, of membership in the eu. doors are open and one day we'll become members but that day is not specified or marked in red anywhere on the calendar. but we're still doing it because we're not doing it neither nor for you or nato, we're doing it for our country. the strategy of integration is very simple. we set ambitions. we integrate ukraine into as many fields of markets when it comes to eu or fields of
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cooperation with nato as possible so that one day when guys in brussels, in both nato and eu look around oh, this ukrainian is already every where why shouldn't we make this the next step. and that's what we've been doing in the last month, three months. we adopted laws. we intensified political dialogue. we adopted bylaws. we engaged in very ambitious conversations with eu and nato. we hosted the north atlantic council coming to ukraine under the leadership of the secretary-general. we do reforms. we want our country to change. and jonathan rightly referred to just last night the eu report was published, and they clearly state they appreciate the pace of reforms and the decisions
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that have been taken since electi elections. now, naturally i pay my first visit in my new capacity to brussels ten days after my appointment and i must confess that people were kind of a little bit cautious about us, our intentions, and the famous tubervolt. it's like passing laws at very high-speed. when i visited brussels in two months, that was mid-november, i received very warm comments on the achievements of the government. one success we already had was this change of attitude. less suspicion, more openness on working together. so what kind of laws are we adopting? essentially the strategy of the government is very simple.
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to integrate markets in ukraine where do they not exist yet such as land reform. and to introduce fair rules to the market which already exist but which suffer from western interests, monopolies and all kind of scourges you can imagine. that requires a lot of commitment, a lot of stamina, and a lot of effort. it's really difficult to fight bad guys, i must tell you. but since we're all young, we're the youngest government in the world, we have the youngest prime minister. now they have the youngest prime minister in the world but on average we're the youngest government. by the way, i'm not the youngest. so we are ready to take risks. and to make decisions which expose us to attacks, but which
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are good for the country. there have been some laws, some laws in the parliament which were not adopted by the previous parliament simply because there were too many vested interests and political balancing in them. but it's essential for our economy and for our eu integration. and the parliament passed almost all of those laws now. authorized economic operators. the re-establishment of criminal responsibility for illegal, illicit enrichment, all these kind of things. we set up the anti-corruption court that's a pretty unique institution is operational now. national anti-corruption bureau received the long awaited right of independent, called surveillance when you have a right to surveil phone
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conversations. in the old times the previous government opposed the previous administration opposed the idea that national anti-corruption bill can do it on its own. so we absolutely serious not only about fighting corruption by bringing those who are guilty to justice, that's not my favorite part. my favorite part is to create laws and bylaws from opportunities for corruption. a week ago the parliament passed a law which i liked the most. there was a law in ukraine for real estate, to regulate real estate operations. and that law specifically mentioned four companies which had to be used for real estate for certain real estate operations. those companies were making -- owned by one person were making
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about $43,000 per day. they didn't exist in reality. they were platforms which you had to use to formalize he some of your real estate operations. multiple it by months you can imagine how much money the guy was making her month. so the parliament removed that. moved that clear corruption opportunity from the law and deprived the guy and created equal conditions for the market. these are kind of the things that both the parliament and government are doing. clean up legislation from corruption opportunities. one of the projects that we advancing was a project of the president state on smartphone. now when my wife criticizes me that i'm spending too much time online i'm just telling her i'm
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implementing the president's instruction. but the anti-corruption philosophy on smartphone is to remove a corrupt official from the system so that citizens can directly deliver, receive services online without facing the risk of running, bumping into a guy who will ask a small gift in return for the services provided. so this kind of things, not only about top corruption but low level corruption that we're fighting. it's difficult to reform the country when you have a war, when you have -- because our soldiers are still dying. we still have serious issues with idps, we have issues with social benefits, all kind of issues. but we are moving forward. and not only on the reform
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threat but also on the peace settlement, on the peace track. the overall -- the philosophy of president zelensky is to solve problems not to create them. that's kind of his major approach. we are here to solve problems for our country, for our people, not to create new problems for the country and the people. and the president is honest ly committed to ending the war. he promised it to the people of ukraine. he's ready to take risks. he is taking risks. he moves forward to get russia out, to raise ukrainian flag, to restore our jurisdiction and our sovereignty over those territories. to reach out to the people of those territories who are ukrainians. in that sense the normandy meeting that took place on monday is a success in itself
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because we haven't had meetings at the level of leaders of state and government in normandy since late 2016. you know, in russia it's simple. if you want to sell something you have to talk to putin. you cannot solve big problems without talking to him. when you do not sit with him at a table you deprive yourself of an opportunity to solve problems. did we register the readiness of russia to be nice and to change its behavior? not really. but the overall spirit of the conversation was different. and i think that what we can achieve together was within the normandy format is to start slowly building trust with russia. by doing small projects together. and if we see that russia is willing to resolve, we'll be
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ready to make our steps. we have made a number of constructive efforts and steps towards the settlement. we showed how eager we are to reach compromises. but these compromises should not involve crossing, imply crossing red lines our country has because in the end it's about our territorial inhe at the grit, about our sovereignty, it's about our development as european democracy. so, normandy is not the recent normandy meeting is not the result. it's rather a step, another step on the long and twisting road. it will not be easy but we're ready to move forward. the next step is exchange of prisoners. disengagement in three more spots. we will be working on making sure that we make progress. but, again, i mean the key --
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you know presidents change in ukraine in france, in the united states. prime ministers change in germany and in russia nothing changes. so until russia changes its approach, its position, we can jump out of our skin, but we cannot do it on our own. that's why we need a joint effort to convince russia that it's in its best effort to change that. until that happens we'll continue to reform the country under the current conditions. thank you. >> i deeply appreciate you going through a number of different areas. on the anti-corruption reforms really important steps and the high court and also on nacp and a number of areas. one thing in the past that i think has always, what we've
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seen previously in term of reforms you get to the passage of a law and then the implementation. there's a much more difficult effort after that. so i'm encouraged with the eu saying yesterday in the report, saying that, you know, they will be with you. they recognize that the passage of these laws, but we'll be with you as you implement these laws which i think will be critical going forward. you didn't mention the imf. i know that still is in the new -- >> imf. >> thank you. well, but i think that's also a positive sign, it hasn't been completed yet but i thought it might be worthwhile to mention that, the standard bearer for looking at reforms on the ground and ensuring that the macro economic support is available for ukraine has been the imf and partners working with it so i think that's another positive example of positive steps that
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are being taken by the government to fulfill criteria and conditionality which is really important. one of the issues certainly will come up, i'm 100% certain will be about some of the banking issues, and i wanted to ask, since you're in washington and you've got this question before but i think it's really important is about what you're looking for from -- we see the eu making pronouncements yesterday. mr. barel saying some positive things and recognizing ukraine is making these reforms in the middle of a conflict. so how difficult that is. it's hard to do it when you're not in conflict. harder to do it when you are. so that recognition was important. the new eu enlargement commissioner also highlighted some very important things including the steps that have been made to democracy and rule
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of law and that's important as well. but you're in washington, and the there's, obviously, different actors and i wanted to ask when you're talking to the trump administration what are the things that ukraine is asking for to help move forward on these key steps towards membership in nato, democratic transformation, economic strengthening economic engagement in trade but also there's congress as well which even this past week has had some legislation directly related to things like nordstream. i'm interested on what's most helpful for ukraine right now in sort of going forward both from the administration, because i want to -- in d.c. there's multiple bodies that are sort of weighing in on ukraine right now and what's most helpful. it's a bit of a softball
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question but for get a better understanding of what you're asking for and what you're talking to folks about. >> yes. thank you. ukraine will always remember the country that helped us to repel the russian attack and to save ukraine in the most difficult days when we were losing hundreds of soldiers and hundreds of thousands of civilians. it was the united states. no other country has provided more support for ukraine, given the conflict but the united states. we greatly appreciate that. is that our sincere -- my sincere words as a citizen of ukraine, not as official. i can also say the same thing in my official capacity. all we asking from our colleagues in the u.s. administration is fair
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treatment. you know, we don't want to be shamed and blamed. we just need fair, balance look on what ukraine has accomplished. where ukraine stands and where ukraine is moving. on all three points i believe we have no fundamental differences with the united states. ukraine is a natural ally of the united states in the world. in the global struggle for power that we are observing now, ukraine is part of this part of the world. we share same principles, same values, we stand for the same things. and we never compromised the united states since our independence in 1991. and we cannot imagine horror where the united states will compromise us. i have very friendly meetings in washington over the last two days.
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maybe i was meeting the wrong people. my overall sense is that the reason understanding in d.c. that ukraine has to be treated fairly. that's what i can say on this. what are our requests? what are our agenda? we don't want to be in the position of, you know, the country always asks for help. we want to build relationship. i was happy to read an article and use of american rocket carrying cargo to international space station and part of that the engine of that rocket is designed and built in ukraine by ukrainian engineers, by ukrainian factories. i'm happy that the sector is booming and more and more companies are hiring ukrainian engineers and coders to work on their projects, these kind of
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things. we can be mutually beneficial in energy sector. now what i came -- one of the most important things in life is to be in the right place at the right time. that's what happened with me, i arrived in washington and the house passed the law, the national defense authorization act. that's sanctions against the pipeline company that lays pipes for nordstream too and this act provides for $300 million support to ukraine. both are important, both are taken as not only as a message but also as an act of support. when it comes to nordstream two it's not about ukraine it's much bigger issue. it's about strategic balance in europe. it is about energy security of
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europe. it's about the balance in central europe and western balkans and more in a broader sense it's about energy security as such. so ukraine is only one part of the puzzle of nordstream 2. i appreciate the house, this act, the sanction. we expect the senate to pass, to support the president to sign it and most importantly these sanctions should be or the company that is now as we speak laying pipes for nordstream should realize it should cease its operations immediately. this is the task for the, well not a task but part of the work that our colleagues in washington have to do. because the russians realize the risks, and they are doing their
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best to lay the last pipe as soon as possible before sanctions come, become effective. on nato, eu is not really on the agenda of my visit, but nato is. and on natural jobs all we're asking is very simple ambition. we want nato to be ambitious towards ukraine. we do not only want to receive support from nato, we are also contributing to nato security, to nato operations. we're stepping up our efforts in kosovo, afghanistan, elsewhere. we're in a dialogue with nato on what else -- sorry not kosovo, that's not part of the story. we're discussing with them how can we contribute. how can we help? how can he we be part of your effort? that's much appreciated. what we want to hear from nato is guys, we are ready to let you
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here, we want you to be there, we can help you with the reforms so that you introduce those famous nato standards in your life. that's what we're doing. and the support of the united states is absolutely essential as one of the most important countries of the alliance. >> thank you. and i would agree. one were the challenges has come up too, is the transatlantic ability to do it and sort of this era in which i think is really important. i want to just ask you and then we'll turn at any time to folks here about your 2020 priorities. you mentioned economics as critical to ukraine and i think that's true because the full potential of ukraine's economy has never been fully unleashed in the way it should. i know there's a couple of areas you're focused on.
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i think we hope to see he some progress. i thought you might want, if you could speak to the government's priorities going into 2020. you can mention a few of them. not all of them. >> the list of priorities is so long but it has to be exhaustive because we can't do all the things at the he same time. land reform, you may not know that ukraine is one of the few places in the world, very few places in the world where you cannot buy and sella land freel. you can only lease it. privatization. ukrainians own about 3,000 enterprises. we want to get rid of all of them except companies of strategic importance which are central for national security. and the government has already taken necessary steps to launch
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the process of privatization and guarantee this will be a fair privatization. we want private owners to come in and to develop those companies as commercial enterprises. not sucking money from the budget, from the state budget. energy security. energy efficiency. this is the third track. for us, security, energy security and efficiency is a matter of national survival because we have a bad neighbor who wants to create problems for us and energy is one of the fields where they are pretty, can be pretty effective. our economy is one of the most energy consuming economies. we can save a lot of money, we
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can add a lot of value to our economy if we introduce -- if we systematically introduce energy efficiency measures and we'll definitely be working on this throughout 2020. and ensuring microfinancial stability. our national currency is becoming stronger and stronger one of the best performing currencies in the world, makes our exporters mad. makes our citizens happy because they can buy more for what they have in the pocket. national bank consistently, is consistently decreasing the, called the national rate. the basic rate. just yesterday they decreased it by two points. it is still high. it's 13.5.
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but it used to be 15.5 two days ago. so the progress is the there. ensuring, we have to introduce reforms while keeping this financial balance. it's really a priority to ensure that. that's why we need imf and microfinancial coming from the european union, we need foreign investments to ensure that we provide reforms that's necessary, financial support. strategically, we have to achieve one simple thing. we need to provide our small medium businesses with cheap money. this is the struggle. how to provide small and medium businesses with cheap loans which they can take and invest in our economy. this is the strategy. and this is the priority for next year. >> thank you. so we're going to open up to questions. raise your hand please but also if you could identify yourself, and who you are with and then
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we'll start right here. >> my name is emanuel. i'm chairing the transatlantic committee, subcommittee in my parliament, and i've been involved in tyour success story. prime minister, you're facing the ukraine phenomenon that you have probably in europe a country that has less hatred, neighboring countries. you have elections who are facing people from all possible nationalities in your government. somebody try to create against you. it's dispersed your country of mild tolerance and providing
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people with possibilities to vote for everyone. still a problem related to brainwash created by zombie tv from russian side for citizens of eastern ukraine, cover the russia tv. year after year you have -- some citizens were in the eastern front there. if you feel this is successful and finally taking over back your integral territory of ukraine, how will it be possible to integrate that to european tolerant space those citizens and to have them the together on the boards, your european land.
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that's still an essential number. question number two, you have in front of you all -- first of all you have fantastic results and congress has approved resolution, now there's senate and corruption by the executive of american powerer and you have in front of the question that is poland and lithuania to leave the european union. do you have some internal schedule, important field of integration, schedule of your steps towards european union and nato looking to the chairmanship, rotation chairmanships and i would like to say to all folks related to lithuania, we're protesting against yesterday official statement by commissioner for
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european union who are officially started to criticize american congress resolution about nordstream 2 and members of the european union will find a way to express that the guy yesterday, the commissioner who said he's averse, not represented baltic, polish and other members of the european union position. it will come to terms with our internal european union. so my question before you about integrational steps towards european union and nato and to your internal schedule and how you see this. thank you. >> thank you. there is no either way but to talk to people and explaining to people and make being sure they understand what's going on and what we're doing. you are absolutely right, people
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living in the occupy territories, they have have slightly different perceptions and use but we have to work with them. in 21st century you being a democracy and such a liberal democracy as we are, you cannot impose anything on people. you cannot cut them off from perfect information storm that we're all living in. what we can do is to explain to them where damage comes from and what we also can do is to limit opportunities for russian media to distort reality. i must save haven that usually russian media does not meet every reality to distort it.
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they simply distort everything they find. but we have to understand that propaganda and disinformation is a real threat to societies, to countries as united states has also experienced. we experienced it, had experienced it, experienced it before you did. so we know what we're talking about. the sooner you start fighting it the better it is. but we'll talk to them. and one of the policies of president zelensky is to reach out to people beyond the separation line. to send a message to them that we consider them citizens of our country. and we want them to share same benefits. also benefits of european integration as the rest of the country does. >> i think the government should be praised for that effort to reach out to those in the nongovernment controlled areas
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important but also i want to highlight that lithuanian government is working on a number of front working with your government, the eu and united states. what i'll do because you have very limited time right now is to maybe bundle three questions if that's all right for your. and i would ask if you could keep the questions to a question rather than statements so we can get as many people in as possible. but we're going to start right here. and then we're going to go to the gentleman over there and then we'll come over here and we'll try to grab everybody. >> okay. thank you. patrick tucker from defense one. thank you for bringing up the ndaa. it includes a provision that add coast defense missiles to categories that are appropriate for security stance for ukraine. did that come up in
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conversations in washington and particularly are you finding support from that, from the executive branch? >> yeah. you know that we already received two islander
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in the sense that nga is adopted, the president will sign it and we will be working with the administration on making sure that those provisions become reality. >> thank you. i'm rudy porter from the solidarity center. the problem of oligarch control of the economy in ukraine is well-known. your two top priorities that you listed of making it possible to sell off land and to sell allstate-owned enterprises, my guess is many of the oligarchs are more than happy to start pulling out their checkbooks. how do you make this plan
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something other than a major gift to existing oligarchs? >> thank you for the he q. it is not easy to fight oligarchs. you are right. they have a lot of influence and money. but the plan is very simple. we do not aim at strengthening oligarchs as class as a phenomenon. we want to create a strong middle class and middle businesses and enterprise ins e inside -- enterprises in the country. the instrument of achieving that is very simple. we make sure that we hold privatization in a fair transpatient manner. that's our goal. i think by the end of the next year you will be able to judge whether we succeeded or whether we failed on that. but the purpose of privatization is not to make oligarchs even stronger. it is to disburse assets equally and the create balances in the
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economy, and to make sure that the economy gets eventually demon d demon onlyized. we have an understanding in ukraine that our country that america once had faced when you passed anti-trust legislation to unlock economic potential and create fair economy, fair opportunities in economy. we reached that point. it's a matter of efficient anti-trust legislation that has to be introduced in ukraine. oligarchs are not as strong as they used to be. they have their own weaknesses, and it is an excellent time to make a push. we are trying to make that push. >> michael -- of catholic university and the german marshal fund. i have a two-part question about the current status of men's
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diploma diplomacy. and the first is whether the stein myer formula now something the ukrainian and russian governments have agreed upon after the paris meeting? if that's the case where that fits within ukrainian public opinion. basically how unpopular would that be at least with certain parts of the ukrainian body politic. >> the ukrainian public opinion was very suspicious of all the moves, stamps, and statements that were made on the way to normandy. we had a plow test in front of the presidential office protesters stayed overnight to wait until the press conference and the outcomes of the normandy meeting. once they heard the president speaking at the press conference, they said, okay, we are fine. we are going home. that's the best -- that's the
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best kind of message. so when the formula first appeared in public space the reaction was hysterical. on the day when the announce men was made that we agreed to it i came back home and my mother-in-law was baby-sitting kids and she attacked me. and she said i have to resign from that corrupt government which will compromise ukraine and put it in the hands of putin. so i had to open a bottle of cogniac and fill a glass for her and have a conversation. now, when i saw her must this tuesday after normandy meeting she was fine. and she's basically a good explanation of the public opinion on that. the formula does not receive the same level of antagonistic reessential, you know, perception as it used to be because people see that the
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president is not going to cross lines but that he is seeking compromises. in my view, i remember the formula from the very beginning when it first appeared on the table in like 20 -- late '15 or '16. there is diplomacy. as long as red lines are not crossed, this is diplomacy. now that people are seeing the president is not crossing the lines they are less aggressive towards the formula. >> we are getting really close to -- we will group three questions together for you to answer them. then unfortunately we have to -- yeah. sorry. we are going to do three questions in a row, we are just going to pull them all together and then we are going to have to unfortunately have to en. we will the question, this gentleman right here. we also -- so we are just going
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to take them in, then we will have you respond to all three. i know you can handle multiple. >> jerry campo, an energy lawyer. you mentioned energy security i think three times. i recall a fuew years ago there was a tender. of course the security situation changed in the area. i am wondering if there is plans to reconsider pursuing that facility again. >> diversification of energy supplies are fundamental. yes there are all kinds of plans including this one. we are looking into many options. >> this gentleman right behind. thanks. >> [ inaudible question ] how do you see the path forward in terms of dealing with hungarian
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concerns from budapest about the hungarian minority in transfer patti. >> before becoming member of the government i spent three years as ambassador to the counsel of europe. the venice commission is a body of the council of you were. if i learned anything during these three years, it is that you have to read the recommendations from a to z. you have to take all the nuances into account. so far we have been very committed and loyal to implementing venice commission. we appreciate the authority of this institution. we are now looking into the law -- or into the opinion provided. and then we will be finding ways on how to meet its recommendations. for us, it's essential that the commission recognizes that
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ukrainian's language receives support and endorsement as the state language. everything else is tactic. this is the fundamental principle. we don't want national minorities to be less than national in their sense but we also want them to be part of the ukraine society. i want hungarians being 100% hungarian as well as being 100% ukrainian, which is essentially possible. we want them to be connected with mainland ukraine so to say. hungary, i am talking to them. we want to talk with them. they are not the easiest people to deal with but i see no fundamental issues that we cannot resolve. we will be working on resolving those issues as well. >> we will take one more question. right up front. right here. >> first of all, thank you so
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much for your time and this very interesting discussion. i will like to ask you, it's really inspiring to hear that ukraine is so determined for the membership to nato and to eu. do you see the importance of more regional approach and strategy. >> --? i think success of your young government is not only ukraine's will but it is important for other areas in the region including georgia. how do you see the regional context or maybe pushing together for the membership? thank you. and good luck. >> when it comes to georgia, what can i think? i think we are brothers and we have to go along together. georgia and ukraine are two countries which have to team up on achieving their strategic goals which are essentially common. we have a slightly different situation now. we will have to see out it
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evolv evolves. our approach is the countries have to stand together and push the walls, break the walls and move forward. so regional. in fact, when we talk with nato on the brexit security we always state it is good to have three member states on the black sea, bulgaria romania and turkey. but if you want to achieve more strength against russia, having us on board will make you stronger. >> thank you. i apologize that we can't get to everyone's questions with the limited time. i wanted to speak -- thank the deputy prime minister for being here. i did want to give you sort of the last word, you know, if
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there is anything that we missed. but anything that you may want, particularly those that are participating today and those that are following ukraine so closely. anything you may want to leave us with. >> thank you for coming. >> nice and easy. thank you, everybody. maybe if you could join me in thanking the deputy prime minister. [ applause ] and one housekeeping item, too. i know we have a number of press here that are going to be sitting down with you. if you could please stay in the room here. and then we will help facilitate that right now. thank you again. proceed.
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>> so too easily describe your presence here could you please describe
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the goal of the visit here and how do you achieve that? >> i am the first member of the new ukrainian visit who invests the united states. we in kiev believe that our dialogue, our interaction with u.s. administration, congress, and your think tanks should be a regular one. goal number one is to touch skbas to get a sense of -- touch base and get a sense of where we are in our dialogue with the united states. second, i came to hold consultations in the congress in the administration on a number of -- bilateral agenda, including north stream, two, our integration to nato and more broadly the situation in europe as a hold. >> i'm from pbs news hour. you said you have had two meeting with the administration so far. you have one more. who exactly have you been meeting and what are the american officials bringing up
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to you? i have to ask, has anyone brought up rudy giuliani, impeachment, has anyone brought up biden at all? what are the priorities that you are hearing from the americans for you? >> i met with people from the national security council yesterday. i have a meeting with representatives of the state department in the morning and another high level meeting with undersecretary hale in an hour or so. so far, none of my meetings were dedicated or mentioned this whole thing that you are referring to. we were focused on the constructive -- >> giuliani or biden, not at all? >> no one mentioned it to me and as you can imagine nor did i mention it. we were focused exclusively on the issues which i mentioned previously on our bilateral agenda, and we were discussing how to move forward our relationship with the united states, which i will like to
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remind you has a strategic nature. we have a strategic partnership, and a strategic commission for strategic partnership co-chaired by secretary of state and minister for foreign affairs of ukraine. whatever happens, whatever kind of turmoils there are, nothing can undermine the strategic nature of our relationship with the united states. >> sir, greg walters from vice news. i wanted to point out that recently the foreign minister of russia had a second oval office meeting with the president of the united states before president zelensky has met with president trump. i wanted to ask, koss that send a signal following what we heard about the military aid hold up to your country does that send a signal that our president is sitting down with the president of russia that any delay in the meeting with president zelensky
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is signaling a lack of support. are you still seeking a meeting with president trump? >> we are working on organizing a full-fledged visit of president zelensky to the united states. the invitation was extended by president trump to president zelensky in the immediate aftermass to elections. it would be inefficient for me not to mention the ndaa passed two weeks ago that clearly indicates the level of support the united states are giving to ukraine. just a simple fact the amount of assistance envisaged in the nda to ukraine is $50 million higher than it was in the previous ndaa. don't get me wrong. my point is very simple. there may be big politics, may be purr moils but the strategic nature of our relationship with the united states remains unshattered. we will be moving forward. >> my last question. >> joshua -- president trump has
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argued on multiple occasions that european countries aren't giving enough support the ukraine and are expecting the u.s. to pick up the tab that they aren't supporting you enough. do you agree with that asse assessment? >> it is true to say that the united states has been the most consistent and you know serious supporter of ukraine on -- in the defense and security sectors. we have received assistance and support from the european union. we greatly appreciate that. but enough is never enough. we would love to have more support coming to us because we believe that we are doing a very good job in reforming the country amid the conflict in the eastern ukraine and the occupied crimea. we lost like about 30% of our gdp because of the occupation of our lands by russia. so supporting ukraine now is about ensuring stability in that
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part of the world as a whole and helping us to remain a stronghold of democracy and market economy in the region. it is mutually beneficial. we not only want direct support. we also want long term contracts long term investments coming from these countries to link up our countries in a way that would also underpartnership our strategic dialogue. >> thank you media. >> thank you all. bye-bye. >> any dates to have the meeting with the president and president zelensky. >> we are working on it. the invitation is there. everything else has to be secured through diplomatic chann channels. thanks. [inaudible conversations]
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