tv Chloe Maxmin and Canyon Woodward Dirt Road Revival CSPAN July 23, 2022 2:00pm-3:36pm EDT
it is so wonderful to have you all here tonight for this very very special event dirt road revival comes out tomorrow. so it's we are we are seeing a witnessing an advanced event and this is the first place that books have been able to be purchased and we have another premiere. this is called rural runners. this is a film that was made over the last four years by chloe and canyon with canyon's brother. and we're going to show that here and then after the film we'll have a panel with with dustin ward and chloe and canyon and and that's it.
thank you all for being here. that's a funny video last night where it's someone is getting interviewed in the guy was like can you spell it first and last name? and the girl was like f i r s t l a s t n a me did forget one important thing which is who are you? oh god, i don't know. i've been there a lot thinking lately and the question oh, maybe i meant. i think i just meant what is your name? oh, that's bullet. i'm canyon woodward i grew up in
rural western, north carolina, and i'm a trail runner and i run political campaigns. i know that i'm your brother. my name is chloe maxton. i am a state representative candidate for state senate and human being she lived inside with us for a couple days and i grew up on my family's farm in noble bro. and i've always just loved where i'm from so much. it's just something i've always known and as i got older i really began to see all of the forces that were threatening where i grew up in the place that i loved so much.
thank you. gonna be late. doesn't search on me. tell me everything you know. about canyon woodward great. love them. it's not a verified source, it's mom. what do you know about him running? i guess the first time we saw running is when it's always running away from us when he's a little kid running down the driveway and montana bridge run run. where do you learn it? first race, let's see.
i was in history class and my history teacher was the cross country coach and she was desperate for runners and one day she slapped in jersey down on my desk and got me come out for a race and i think i threw up. once twice fell in my -- once and finished and i got metal. i was like a cool. i love shiny objects. i think i could be into this. you've always been interested in justice though. yes that pencil. yeah, i can see i can see tyranny my way. so one of my earliest encounters with electoral politics was in my high school and being out there on the election day and helping get this person elected and then having them come in their community pretend to listen to us and then betray us and so instead i decided to lean into the political process and try and change that. so i met chloe in college doing
climate organizing work. we became best friends. organized on the domest harvard campaign together we were trying to get to stop investing its endowment in fossil fuel companies and builds a movement to pressure harbor to go the right way. sure. you know as chloe's mom people always say to me. oh, you must be so proud of her. chloe is a freight train. she has a an ability to envision the future and to commit to it. she has always been like that. the experiences at harvard taught me how to organize but they also reinforced how so much of the organizing that we see is not meant for rural places or for folks who don't think same way it was 2018 and i came home
and was so inspired by seeing canyon and we talked as we usually did in those days about doing work together and building a new type of rural politics and so a couple days later. canyon i think i might run for office do you want to move to nobleboro and be my campaign manager just monk and she's get it again? just delete alarm. so he told me one day i'm running for the house of representatives in maine and i want you to manage the campaign. i thought it over and was like, well, i don't really know anything about maine or district 88 i sure as heck haven't ever managed a campaign before. so why not? let's do it. just tell me what you actually do.
two three, this is our campaign headquarters some toilet paper. that should be the bathroom. this is the breakdown of house just for 88 little bit hard. er concisely some up the role of a campaign managers everything from learning graphic design on the fly. place newspaper advertisements to figure out how to run mail campaign postcards looking at which voters prioritize having chloe and volunteers go and talk to organizing volunteer canvases managing the budget the list goes on into detail, okay.
think we all know that politics as usual is failing us. our local issues are now state and national issues because our government has so profoundly abandoned its people. but every year we keep electing the same kind of folks. they tell us the same thing. they act the same way. we elect them they get into the state house and they break the same promises and we're left with the same disillusionment that we had before. i never thought that i would run for office in a million years for a whole lot of reasons, but one because i just seemed to out of reach, but it's actually not that hard. they just try and make it look confusing. so i think that openness in myself was really important. so many folks myself included at times feel like they're not ready. they're not quite qualified and it's just about taking the first
step louie and i were underdogs by 16 points in the district that had never been won by a democrat alone a 26 year old woman with a 25 year old campaign manager. and it wasn't that complicated. we just did what we had done since we were young we talked to the people in our community. we drove door-to-door went to people's houses had real conversations with them. and then we won in the most rural county in the most rural state in america. here hey you.
how you doing? i'm doing so good. we're so excited. catching up on sleep, and i'm trying to process it. that's awesome. what's when does chloe start work basically as soon as she can catch up on sleep a little bit session starts in january. so yes start working on legislation now. wow. what are you gonna do now? i am gonna dive back into our climate organizing work. i think i'm gonna flee south asap get some warm weather and some trails the the training
it's called the smokies challenge adventure run. elevation games 18,000 feet and the distance 72 miles after camera saying in 2018. i never really heard people talk about climate change, but i talk about good jobs and sustainable industries and rural maine when i got elected i really wanted to think about climate in that way and sponsor a bill it would reflect that reality. chair recognizes the representative from nobleboro a native maximum. thank you, mr. speaker and colleagues in the house. i rise today because i care about me. so i worked with the unions mainly the main afl-cio and was the first green new deal bill in
the country to be endorsed by a state union affiliate, which is pretty exciting and my bill to establish a green new deal for me past the house in the senate and it was signed by the governor. it means that large renewable energy projects in maine have to hire a certain number of folks who are part of a union apprenticeship program that allows young folks to earn while they learn that's the same goes. chloe is extremely organized and fastidious. she likes to have her schedule and you know work through it. day after day after day when chloe makes a commitment to something. she does not stop. until it's achieved. canyon is more of a abstract
poetry. riffs and floats like a butterfly, but he also stings like a bee because at every moment he knows exactly what he needs to be doing. he knows exactly what has to be accomplished. i'm excited. then training hard for a while. it's gonna be fun to finally have an outlet okay. have a great run canyon.
thank you trained. well for screen great. oh, i know it is. alright, alright. 529 as well whipper will sing and yell. man, enjoy those hills. thank you breathing in that home air. yeah and pumped. well with you all the way. love you. you i think some people look at ultra running is a kind of self-absorbed pursuit, but i think it couldn't be further from that. committing yourself to things that make you feel alive and connected the body and soul and this good earth and community and individuals who you share that path with all whatever you like, but i think it's kind of thing that we could use a whole lot more of in this world.
fancy meeting you here. they feel proud no matter what? it's done super i mean a lot of these guys probably go out and who knows how many times they do it before they do. the actual record setting you really learn a lot when you get to know a section. both politics and joe running require running through the season. not just going out when the sun is shining and you're feeling great. it takes getting out there day in and day out even when it's really difficult. very anxiety producing especially when there's two to 3000 bears in the smoky mountain national park. there was a whippoor-will right when he started this morning. so we must be close.
there's something especially gratifying and fulfilling on the deeper level when you log through those cold dark times and make it through the other side. from the officer stand up so late. we almost went we almost went home. yeah, really took my win took the win this about. 10 miles out when i saw but the actual distance wasn't realized there's no shot. it's pretty fun. hey. how are you doing?
have you had a more thoughts or feelings about potentially running for summit since our meetings last week? have you i love to serve. just wanting to be silent leadership once us to decide whether or not we're gonna run in 2020 by the end of session in june. a month and a half away but it's also gonna to be really hard. yeah, i definitely would love to do it with you and i think i see.
a number of scenarios that could work for for me to get up there and but i guess the clock is ticking a bit if they want a final decision, but the end of session in june. create the quotes from that's something to the fact of with progressive politics you fight and you lose and you fight and you lose and you fight and you lose and then you fight and you win. today we decided that commit to the senate race in 2020. so he's gonna run for state senate. better rip the heart of building this new politics of making inroads and rural america starts on the campaign trail. so we have expanded our reach by over six times because the
senate district is six times bigger than the house district three. minutes canvassing really really challenging i show up at their door. they don't see chloe a young person who's trying to do something different. they see another stupid politician trying to swindle them out of the last shed of hope that they have in democracy. but i also recognize that it's that face-to-face conversation is the only way to rebuild any kind of faith or hope. it's just really hard to face that anger every day. often times when we're campaigning. we're just so busy or so tired that there's never time to enjoy what's around us. and so as much as i can i try and swim or walk and be outside and recharge. we really intentionally decided to create a culture both between
ourselves and our volunteers and whoever might work on our campaign that self-care and creating time for things that brought us joy would be a huge part of what we did and for canyon that's running. there's a really pervasive burnout culture throughout politics. we were people feel like you have to give up this other part of yourself in order to engage in creating change and i really reject that idea and think it's so important to hold on to the other parts of yourself that make you whole and happy and use that as the foundation through which to draw energy. to do the hard work of creating change. thing that's grounded him. ever he was in a bad. mood and it would everything
would be would be just a little bit better. teacher a little more qq crazy and youtube is the future. oh my god what he yeah. the way that i was raised in this community was really about values and if you're a good person if you're kind person and if you show up when someone's in need and i i don't ever really remember politics being a divisive issue. work clothes on with her time in the office gives me a ton of hope every single one of her bills came directly from conversations with voters at the doors. and if you look at them pretty much everyone was was bipartisan, or at least had bipartisan support.
we're all folks have been genuinely left behind by by democrats and by the progressive movement, so it's no wonder that they're not voting our way that they're not listening to us. it's because we have created this condescending judgmental narrative. i wouldn't listen to anyone who had a narrative about me like that. it's so important that we get rural voices to the table. do we want wealthy tesla driving technic rats writing our climate policy, or do we want the people who grow our food intimately connected with land every day in this conversation. one of the seals of the democratic party is so much of it is really top-down and chloe and my goal from the outset was the with that on its head. they can build. you're gonna ground up. that's been for us. that was really meaning into
community relationships bringing in dozens hundreds of volunteers. we're about to head out and doors for chloe maximum as a manner myself. i'm really excited to go out and talk to people today going into the community canvassing camisen for chloe and making sure that everything we did was based on our conversations with volunteers as opposed what the party was handing down through christ consultant doors in a sunny day yesterday doors five days a week since lots of good canvassing right there over 13,2 00 so today maybe i'll hit 13,300 can't do it over the phone. you can't do it with a facebook ad you have to show about their door so many more days until election. let's face saturday, unless good
night before the election button up signs up through him, please pull locations i can't think of a better way to fight for our home than to work on building a new type of politics that is responsive accountable unifying and respectful. let's remind yourself and our state of who we are and fight for something better together and foreign authorized by pulling maximum. one of the races to watch the senate seat in lincoln county where republicans senate leader. dana dow is facing a tough challenge from democratic representative chloe.
maxwell change does not come through an election cycle or even a few elections cycles. there's a real tendency in politics when you win to like sit back and feel like you've done your part and it's all taken care of from here. we're gonna be good and that's not the case. you've got to get back on the horse. after pulls close we're gonna go home and start a huge bonfire. the same thing is is true of trail running. sure celebrate the victories or nurse yourself through those hard defeats, but the most important thing is that you get back on your feet and you take
that first step after the race is over. playing more democracy is by electing different kinds of people to office. it's at the end of the day what chloe and i have done is pretty simple. we put one foot in front of the other. we listen we show up every day rain or shine. and do our best gloria 44% ? top left to really big towns were so in honored goose bay, which always goes for now. for three us 360. yes.
she won booth bay she wanted. here you were so happy for you. which is we just found that clear one now larry joins me now from our steakhouse bureau bureau to explain what control of the legislature? were there any surprises this? year, i would say the biggest sport issue will sit at republican leader david dow and in defeated by a freshman state representative. chloe maxmen, chloe and canyons. and they did what every single
person who cares about their community is capable of doing it. i think what canyon and i have done is just tried to make slightly more human and it's actually really simple of just listening and respecting what you hear and withholding judgment and having space in yourself to hear what someone else is saying. it doesn't feel that complicated at the corner. not every day is a good day to conquer 15 near this 25 year old leftist climate activists one in the district that had a 16 points republican advantage and then the past the first green new deal legislation in the country and get elected to the to the state senate by. rural county in the most real estate in the country.
alright, let's hear another round of applause. well, good evening folks. my name is dustin ward. i'm actually gonna be moderating a wonderful conversation with these two first off little housekeeping as always. we want to give some big. thank yous first off. thank you to you all for coming out tonight. really appreciate you taking the time to just spend a little while with us as we talk about a lot of what you saw in a lot of what is in the book that is here tonight. awesome. thank you as well to space for for hosting. we also want to thank print bookstore as well. so peter rachel joss if you see them tonight, definitely give them a big. thank you as well always a pleasure to have someone host a great conversation. and so let me also introduce both of these. i know you've seen the video but here's some extra information for you as well.
so to my left hailing from romaine chloe is the youngest woman youngest woman ever to serve in the maine state senate at 28 years old. she was elected in 2020 after unseeding a two-term republican incumbent and former senate minority leader in 2018. she served in the main house of representatives after becoming the first democrats when a rural conservative district. she also received an honors degree from harvard college where she co-founded divest harvard chloe is the recipient of the gloria baron prize for young heroes in the brower youth award. she's named a green hero by rolling stone. she was named the 2020 legislature of the year by the maine council on aging so we're out of applause chloe. who i've got to ask is a freight train, and i love that. we'll talk about that. and down the way canyon was born raised in homeschool in the appalachian mountains of rural.
carolina and the north cascades of washington it was the camping manager for chloe maximum successful 28 and 2020 campaigns. he was previously regional field director for bernie sanders 2016 field director for jane hipps for north carolina senate and vice chair of the north carolina district 11 democrats. earn an honors degree in social studies from harvard college with a bulk of his education took place outside of the classroom co-coordinating with chloe in divest harvard a 70,000 person movement that succeeded in pressuring harvard to divest it's 53 billion dollar endowment from fossil fuels. he is also an avid trail runner if he didn't realize from the video give it up for canyon as well. cool, as you heard it's like poetry which i also love. so tonight we just want to have a fun conversation. i've done my homework. i have a bunch of questions, but one of the things where we will do towards the end we will have the audience.
to ask some questions as well. i'm going to be simply a moderator. i actually hail from a roosta county. so i understand rural, but i came down here to get my unit my degree in political science at the university of southern maine. i've been a master's divinity as well from gordon conwell theological seminary, but i also am recently elected as the first person of color as a select board member in new gloucester a year ago. so we're here to talk first time. we're here to talk history politics and so as we begin one of the first questions and the video really helped me think about it, but the first question i want to ask you is take us back to 2018. and when you want talk about that feeling and you just saw it on the video talk about that feeling. what is it like to resi it? and what was that moment like when you knew you won? yeah, the first thing that comes into my head is i feel like it's
been. you know. news of the supreme court this week. it feels like the goal posts are being moved and it feels it feels dark and it feels hard and that i can't help thinking about. right after trump was elected and how we felt then and how much that spurred us in the in the findings something to do i think. this way to find hope in times like these is the find a way to take action in in a local way that feels meaningful and so yeah, that's that's that's what comes to mind for me as far as as far as 2018 that first that first win i mean i didn't i didn't really think it was possible moving up here. i just i just want to be there for you. i came to believe but yeah.
thank you also. quick sidebar. thank you so much dustin. it's such an honor to share the stage with here with you um, heck. yeah all of the rural elected officials out there fighting for progressive causes. i mean honestly, you know when we look at the stuff it makes me it makes me cry because it was so hard. you know, i think there's like a there's a really exciting and inspiring narrative about it, but i think you know after trump was elected in 2016. i like my two takeaways were wow. the rural vote is really really powerful and it's going the wrong way and so was local politics, you know democrats have a tendency to focus more on on statewide races. and so, you know, and i wasn't really until then i'm ashamed to say that i realized i lived in a state house district and a state senate district both of them in
2016 went for trump and so it felt like you know my my small small way of trying to like canyon said find hope in that moment and see if there was a different way to kind of turn this massive ship around and meet where like one nail in the ship, but just i don't know was there a different way? yeah the other question too as you're talking in and you sort of alluded to it. you became a believer and so i'm gonna ask the hard question. but the honest question is did you believe you could do it and and people ask me that too like did you think you could win and so if you were going into it, did you have this undeniable confidence like yeah, we've got this or where was how much percentage we like? i don't know. i don't know. oh, i thought we were gonna lose the entire time. yeah, definitely, but you know you just you just keep going because it's a you know when you're running races it's about whether it's i don't know because i've never run an ultra marathon, but maybe it's it's about the journey as much as the
outcome and the work every day felt really meaningful having conversations with so many voters that never been contacted by a democrat before and finding so much common ground with those folks. i don't know if you felt something similar, you know, but amidst all that, you know that the the dynamics are stacked stacked against you and i think if i couldn't move forward being like oh, yeah, we're gonna win because i don't know it's just how i roll, but i was asking every day do you think do you think we're gonna win? i think i lied a lot. you know. yeah. yeah, we're gonna win. don't worry about it. keep knocking doors it but you know, i i grew up in you know in super super red rural, north carolina very gerry. rendered district and got to see through that first and how detrimental it is for all of our communities when when we just kind of throw in the towel and don't organize because it feels like a lost cause and and i
think that i think we need to do a whole lot more of going in the districts that we're not sure about the outcome and and trying and maybe it's a four-year. six year eight year time window, but when we've got to come come together and organize and slowly push push the needle if we're if we're ever going to get there otherwise it just it's just a cascade. i mean, it's 2009 is an even partisan split enroll america and now it's a 16-point republican advantage because just disappeared and let those relations that relationships disappear. no, i appreciate you saying and that's and that's sort of i ask sort of facetiously, but there's a little bit of humility always when you go into it, but there's also the risk that you've got to still go for it. and that's what you know, what even i have learned too is there's humility and there's risk in what we're doing. so, so i appreciate that, but i
just want to take us back to that moment because that elation i saw whoo, i i know that's like this that's good. so let me shift into the book. i got my my copy really i got it all marked up because there's some good stuff in here, but you can also get your coffee as well today too. first question. i want to ask and this is what because we're starting 30,000 foot view here. talk to me about this term rural. what is rural mean? what should it mean? what has it meant? how is it shifted? and i think in your book too you talk about how terms can always shift around but talk to me about what does it mean to be rural and how have you both experienced role? you've grown up here. you've come up here, right? how do you experience this rural concept? okay. well, i think there's some you know classic definitions of rural that come from the us census about you know, population density and all of this kind of stuff and i think that's important on some level. you know, i think it's we often
identify role places as places that are really like disparate and far apart and you're quite isolated. you know, when i think of rural i think of i think of two things i think of the community that raised me i grew up in nobleboro a small town of 1600 folks and growing up by just i really don't remember talking about politics. you know, i know i now know that my my family friends or you know, everyone's republican but back then it was just really about are you a good neighbor? do you show up when someone's in need and there's just a really different way of talking about life that i didn't really appreciate until i went to harvard and i was like, oh wow, okay, i get i get it now, but i think the other thing is just you know the lack of services and opportunity and like actual success in rural communities i think has become a defining feature of rural life, you know on lincoln county. for example, we don't have a homeless shelter. we don't have a domestic abuse shelter. there are some like really basic things. we don't have transportation services. it's really hard to get anywhere, you know, so there's
some there's some basic things that i think are unique parts of rural life make it different from urban life. and of course the struggles in urban communities are also massive these days. they're just they're just different struggles and i think you know since they're different struggles, they require different solutions and sometimes that's left out of the equation a little bit. mmm yeah, i mean, let's see. i think i i really resisted being rural for a long time. i was like, i never imagined coming home. really. i don't think but with with some time and space i think came the came to appreciate. small towns and the feel of it being having trails out your back door and living in the smaller community where people make eye contact and you wave at each other on the street. i think i think it took going
away and living in a city for a few years. it's a to kind of strike that that chord and and feel that call home a little bit. i think that i think that's something that all of us share you you has you moved away for a while as well, right? yeah away really far away from my parents, you know when you go to southern maine from northern, maine, that's too far away for them. that's and so i went to the big city, so it was too much but i think chloe what you mentioned too. there's this lack of access or there's this isolation feeling and it sort of connects to a lot about what you talking about. but i think that's how i feel in prescott coming down here you get this concept and especially in impress kyle you think? oh everything's a city. that's not true. there's still some rural places here that have that same. thing of sort of detached, but but that's part of their community. that's part of what makes them and sort of that identity around that and so that's sort of what i noticed both the new gloucester in another places as well.
that's an identity. that's a community that bonds over that reality of you know, we're not the city and we don't mind that we like that there's that rural feel. so absolutely i don't know if you've other thoughts on on that feel like something that we all see and we all know as our young folks moving moving away and and not coming back and i hope that that's that's something that might be beginning shift. but we we sure as heck needed. we need we need our young folks to come back and find their place and in the community and yeah. again, i think there's a value here too. i think if you've ever moved away from maine and come back you love the values that are here as well. and i you know, i didn't leave only to go to get my master's and i still came back because of how much maine is meant to me and how much my rural time growing up is meant to me so you're right it, you know,
having people come back is is really important. i do want to talk to another question and and book doesn't taught much about it. but this resonates for me is as you all know, i got an m div talk to me about the role of faith and how it has impacted some of the rural towns and voting. i don't know if you all came across that as you were cannabising you're talking to people this aspect of the spiritual life for faith. what did you see out there that sort of resonated with you in terms of voting and rural america. jamaica canyon and i have this daily struggle where we want to give each other space to talk. and so there's like always this awkward silence before one of us actually says something i think you know i see that there's like two sides of the coin there. so i think there's a there's a bit of a negative side where in rural america kind of in the absence of a democratic infrastructure a very evangelical religious.
viewpoint has started to influence our politics and i think abortion has become you know, really the lynchpin of that dialogue and that's really scary because we're seeing the impact of it right now and like terrifying ways and you know, certainly i've experienced that in my conversations with people. you know, how many times someone you know, the only question they have is are you pro-life and you know, you just wish that there was space for something else and i think that's like a malicious way of using spirituality and religion, but i think you know churches are churches and and spiritual religious institutions. there's such a huge part of rural communities and and i and i just feel like there's i consider myself a spiritual person and so i just really enjoy talking with people and being able to connect on that faith level in a way that doesn't feel so easily and extracted, you know, there is definitely like a different way of thinking and living in the world that i think is really special and really unique to rural communities and you know, maybe it is because we all feel a little bit more is needed or
were surrounded by so many trees here in maine. you know that we feel connected to that but yeah, that's kind of how that's how i experience it. yeah can't even know if you had any thoughts on it as well. i could talk a lot about faith. but anything that you notice as you were, you know out there canvassing campaigning, you know, doing the door to anything that came up. yeah, i mean, i think i think chloe chloe said that well, i don't have a ton to add beyond that it's like it is it's something that bonds us so much and especially where i came from like the first questions or like what's your last name? and what church do you have to but it can also it can also be a super divisive divisive wedge and it's a yeah, it's definitely two-sided sword, but i would love to hear how you think about
it and in your work. i think you're hitting a lot of what i've seen is that the the use of sort of evangelical doctrine the use of sort of the church shuts down any good conversation that be had so fast. and i think it's gotten so polarizing that i really have enjoyed what you both have sort of thrown out as let's have the conversation right? let's talk and you mentioned as a story that you had even in your your time working both in the house and in the senate you had to do a lot of talking on the other side of the aisle and sometimes i can get shut down if we're if we're using our doctrines first, so i think it just allows us to open the conversation if we sort of put that off to the side for a second and have that conversation. so that's what i've noticed over the time, but i didn't know if you guys had something to add with that because that one that you mentioned your book and i was just so curious about it as you're doing the campaign and i remember the video you guys has so much fun doing this tell me about the funnest part of the
whole campaign and then the funnest part of then you win and all the work that you've been doing, but what's the funnest park of the whole campaign process? i just i always think of this. um, you know, we had all these like things that we wanted to try in 2018 when we first started campaigning and a lot of them we didn't get to try because we just ran out of time like we wanted to do a biking canvas, like how cool would that be but on the back roads of district 88, it felt a little too dangerous. so but one of the things we did do was when we started when we had our primary at the beginning we had these canvas weekends, and we would have all of our best friends from college and high school and just our friends in the area. they'd all come up to our house for a weekend and we just got to hang out together for a weekend. it was so nice and all we asked was for three hours on a saturday that you go knock from doors and just that just that combination of making politics feel fun and something that was inviting and that could actually
create community and that full kind of revolutionary to us because we only both experienced it as something pretty miserable like, you know, i remember sing for hillary and scarborough so bad. i don't think i ever volunteered for hillary ever again because i was just like it felt so alienating and alone and miserable and we were just really committed to having a campaign culture that that didn't feel like that. yeah. yeah, i i experienced that too working working for bernie. i love bernie to death, but it's just campaign culture. it's you know. here's your clipboard. put it there when you're done and can you can assign you up for some more shifts next week and it's it's super extractive and bring bringing friends into it building community where we'd have have food and have space air our grievances after awful conversations at the doors and also celebrate the good ones was
so important kicking a soccer ball in the parking lot. shout billy the front row and probably other folks say at least lights are great. yeah having having friends and community be the the focal point of it. so important. yeah. did you feel like that's what you want to bring into your to your campaign is like the things that you learn from bernie from hillary's campaign. you wanted to make that change that was part of why you invested so much in the way in which you you did what you did because you know, you hear in the video you throughout the playbook, you know, and and i think even in your book people are telling you now you can't do that. that's not the way you came, but did you find that you bet on yourself? you usually win? thank you. you know, i think it's important to say that there are so many incredible progressive folks. like you like me like so many people who are elected in rural america all across the country
and you know, and i think may is a unique state. it's got some weird dynamics here. and what works in maine is not going to work, you know in arizona or in michigan or in utah, and we're and we're definitely not trying to say that all of these lessons are like the silver bullet to to winning rural america, but i think what what we are talking about is that there are ways to rethink what we know about campaigning to make it. it's not really that much of a tweak, you know on what we know but it makes it slightly more human and slightly more accessible and you know, we've seen we've seen its power and just it changed our lives and you know, and definitely seeing so many friends get involved with the campaign knocking on doors and having most of our volunteers came from canvassing, you know, just meeting all these new people who had never volunteered before never wanted to get involved with politics. you know, there's there's an opening there. there's a space there and that's what that's what seems really exciting.
again, it's so it's so cool to see how many folks have wanted an opportunity and and just latch on because you're inviting them in and i think a lot of people don't feel like they belong in campaigning so many people have so many skills in and so many talents. that was one thing. i noticed too in this last year is a lot of people don't harp on the they don't showcase all the talents and skills that they have. so just giving them an opportunity to showcase that it makes for an excellent community which is what is what i love you all. did you create a community? you created a sort of a culture and it doesn't happen all the time. so i appreciate that. absolutely. i'm curious if you want to hear some questions from the audience. i got more questions. i mean, you know, this is just supposed to be a fun conversation. so case where you want to take it? heck yeah. i love your team. oh, okay. you won't like my question so
much. that's okay. i think we'll take just a couple of these questions and then i have some more questions for you and then and we'll finish but i'm just curious. is there any questions from the audience that maybe you'd want to throw out there? and here's why i'm asking this because i know being in the audience you get a good question like i hope someone don't take my question and if i keep going i'm gonna take one of y'all's questions. you don't want that. so i just want to see is there any questions that anybody in the audience has say a hand right there? hi. so, oh you guys can hear me cool. i'm my name is mohammadu jang. i moved to main a few years ago was working at usm now. i'm in a remote. job in boston, but i'm about to come back to me and i was actually an mdiv. i got my m dev in 2015 from harvard. so i actually remember you chloe and the work that you did at with divest harvard. i was very impressed because
divestman was not at all. i was always very engaged and active but i haven't was just not something that was part of my worldview, but you and your classmates in the yard did a really good job convincing someone like me to even consider that as part of my one of the causes i'm interested in so i wanted to know if you could speak more specifically to what the experience of doing divestment work at harvard how that translated into your campaign and your success in winning this race. excellent question. actually, it was on my list here, but i skipped over it. so see i would have ruined your question. but go ahead. i'd love to know that too. um, oh it was so it was so pivotal. i mean the i remember being in high school when 350.org started. i don't know. it's like that big climate justice organization, and i remember just being like i will never go to a protest like if there's too many people i can't do it, you know, and that was my
experience of activism growing up in nobleboro, and then when i got to harvard and just like being surrounded by all this privilege and wealth and it was just it felt so unjust and so so bad and it really you know, that that contrast just changed everything and then when we started to confront the administration and just seeing how corrupt it was it just i don't know it created its own sense of urgency at this very wealthy institution, but what was even more inspiring was how young people you know, and on all the students at harvard university got involved. and at the beginning of divest harvard, you know, i guess kind of similar to my to a bit of my missanthropic self. i was like, i just want to like do the work, you know, but i but is where i learned the power of unity, you know, i never really understood that power of camaraderie and co-authorship and does these people who you would do anything for that's i learned that from divest harvard
and together. we we had, you know, all of these trainings about organizing, you know, like what's the theory of change which is spectrum of allies. what's a one-on-one? you know, how do you facilitate a meeting these things that kind of seem so obvious now like never never had even heard of them before organizing on campus and i think so many young folks in the divestment movement have really similar reactions and so as community building and organizing empower building was just like this whole new world that that was just felt so incredible and i really want it to bring it back to nobleboro. you know, i actually have a sticky note on my computer that says, my neighbor's name is shirley and i said, how do we get shirley involved with the climate movement, you know, and i wrote that when i was in college, she actually didn't want to vote for me because i'm a democrat but you know, that's a story for another day. you know, so is this still is part of me though. it's like there's something really powerful here, but we can't quite transplant it back to where i grew up the canyon felt really similar things and we would like literally sit on
the blockades at massachusetts hall and be like wow, this is amazing and how do we take this home? yeah, i had nothing to add. and i was i was actually really nice to like see some of that. i think that was footage you all had from your work over in harvard. so it was good actually see i'm curious too seeing that knowing that you've been in the house and the senate he still get nervous when you when you're stepping up to the play giving those talks or have you settled in because that's one of the things i always i still get nervous to have a conversation or to talk. do you get nervous? do you still feel that nervousness? even from the time you've done protesting till now or are you starting to just feel? settled in confident like yeah, this is what i do. do i enter that one? oh, yeah, there's hacked by i get this hangout behind the curtain most of the time. i'm curious answer. i get i get nervous sometimes.
yeah, you know, i think i'm mostly nervous. i'm gonna say the wrong thing and people are gonna be mad at me but being in office definitely cures you of that fear real quick. yeah real quick. yeah any other questions from the audience and oh, i'll see hand and then you i'll see right there. senator you sponsored summary open primary legislation this session, which is now lost. so thank you very much. and so that is one thing that's changing the process. it's not just you as an individual candidate or you as an individual legislator that's changing the process and do you see semi-open power primaries or any other processes that be changed that help? engage rural voters more thank you. that's such a good question. yeah, semi open primaries became law today actually, which is how
exciting so yeah. yeah. so, i mean, it's something that i heard when i was running in 2018 and and especially in district 13, which is almost an even split democrat republican independent whenever almost whenever i talked with an independent, they'd be like i cannot vote in primaries, you know, what is up with this and in maine 70% of our elections are decided in the primary system and independence, you know, they're they're paying for elections and they can't vote in in primaries. it's ridiculous. so we've been working the past couple years to create a semi-open primary system. so that folks can who are independent can vote in a party primary. it's it's really important because a lot of rural folks are registering as independent 50% of millennials millennials are registering as independence. on a veterans, you know, so people are becoming really anti-party and somebody open primaries is really about creating a more inclusive and excessive sorry not excessive, but i guess so accessible
democracy and especially especially for rural folks and i think you know, i like kanye was talking about rural america as quickly becoming so so partisan and i think one of the ways that we can try and confront that and talk about that is by having open primaries because you get more people voting and maybe are candidates will be you know, less on the extreme side of the parties. no, and i appreciate that question too because that's one of my questions. i was going to ask you as well as we're seeing that shift of people unenrolling and saying no, i'm running as an independent and a lot of the local politics especially the one that i've been running in. it's not a party affiliated, but we know that a lot of people do align with a specific party, but there's been an increase in independence and i was curious as to other ways you felt that that group could be heard and could be could have that accessibility. so i appreciate the question, you know, if you want to follow up with any more, but i'm sensing the same thing and and i as well i've seen that even in when i was campaigning last year
a lot of people want to detach from and just want to hear the issues and want to get to know people so good question. i know he had a question right here. thank you. my name is michael. i'm a portland resident. i have two questions. the first is rooted in an unfortunate personal experience, which is encouraging lots of progressive friends to run for office and then saying sorry i asked you to run one day once they get elected because they find the experience to be so horrible and toxic and so i want you to tell us how you're experience in augusta has been. second question is when are you going to launch your campaign for governor? and and a related question to that is you know, who the youngest governor in the history of maine. was i don't know. i do that question was coming tonight. i do so is gonna ask so i'm glad
i'm glad that was asked. go ahead. i thought michael you were gonna run for governor. i thought i thought we made that deal. no, okay, what's it like being in office? it's complicated. yeah, i've loved complicated feelings about it. i think. it's it's an honor to represent my community. i love my community so much and i love hearing from my constituents and being able to help people. i think the partisan dynamics of our political system. these days are just really tough and they're making it. really difficult for for folks to kind of withstand withstand it, you know, our main we're also a part-time citizen legislature we get paid $14,000 the first year and $10,000 a second year and you know, so there's a whole bunch of structural barriers to having more folks in office who are
actually representative of who mayors are so it creates kind of like a self-selecting group of folks and very partisan atmosphere and and it's and it's a challenge but i think in the middle of that we've done some amazing things this session, you know the other i see courtney over there too and michael we all just passed. well, it was courtney's brilliance and michael's advocacy, but we just passed the strongest good samaritan mom a country, you know, despite all of that stuff. that was super exciting and that was very bipartisan, you know, not really led by either party. so there's still some hope in. i was gonna follow up with that as well. how did you learn what to do once you got their day one did you? study before you get there. did you just kind of learn is that you just watch everybody goes? i mean, how did you learn? i know it's a learning curve, but day one. how are you? how are you learning on the fly? what was that like actually with funny story if you are here because in sorry represent the town of whitefield, which has
one of the largest amish communities in maine and it was either like a deadline. we have to submit all of your bills by and someone called me at the dental and the deadline was at four and someone called me at like 3:30 or something and they were like it cannot stand all the horse manure on the road. can you please do something about it? and so i was like, okay and so i put in a bill that was like an act to remove horse manure from public roads or something like that. and yes such time be helpful, but then the local paper picked it up and published it and i just started getting so many phone calls about like i can't believe i elected you to work on this, you know, i learned a lot about horse diapers. it was just a very very awkward start to the to the game. so i guess that's how i know, yeah. actually a little trial by fire my first my first day on the job was actually appointing people to boards and committees and
found out that there's a whole history that you have to learn in the moment and it comes to bear when you're in the actual meeting or you're having that conversation and so from that point forward. i did a lot of observing a lot of listening and then the biggest thing was learning the system how the process of the local politics works. you know who goes to what what comes first and that was for me what what i had to understand once i got that system down and understood, you know how things went then i could sort of interject a bit of my voice, but i had to just learned the system and that's why i was asking because it's a complex system, you know our senate in our house just the way in which our governance work. so but you do learn trial by fire you learn by someone just saying i have an issue and doing your best to attend to that. so i like that story though. has there been any follow-up with that have folks come back to you and said, hey, thanks for doing that or wow. i love my rose now anything like that? i will actually kill the bill because yeah like i'm not gonna this is not my story. yeah.
don't go down to history with that people. talk very it's a very divisive issue. very complicated feelings. yeah, it's interesting. it's interesting what actually creates the most division and we may think it's you know, it's whatever but for folks that's very important and that's what i've learned too is there's a lot this very important to people especially when it when it impacts them. so you just you learn these things as they happens. so good any other audience questions see right there here and then here so, hi, my name is miles and thank you both for being here today. i have a question about tomorrow, but it's not about your book. coinciding with the release of your book. i think we can expect a supreme court decision about the hydro quebec corridor speaking of divisive and complicated issues so as a climate activist and as
a state senator i'm curious where you stand on this and i genuinely struggle with how to feel about it. i know a lot of us, maybe wanted to put this behind us after the fall, but at the intersection of energy and infrastructure and labor and rural communities. what do you make of it? and what do you expect and what do for? thank you. i'm against the corridor, i think. you know. i think you know the principles of climate justice that the communities that have contributed the least to the crisis our impacted the most so that's actually climate injustice. and i think that the corridor replicates that pattern it does not a model of a just transition to a different kind of energy economy. and so that's that's my problem with it that it just stampedes through rural parts of our state that have tried to stop it and it really is you know is at the
at the mercy of powers far greater than than the small towns have have any control over do we need to move towards renewable energy? yes. do i think hydroc is extremely problematic including that? am and how that electricity is created. yes. do i think we can do better and there are other ways. yes. so so that's why i don't i don't support it. another question right here and then right here. thank you. my name is marcos. i'm a portland resident also, and i have a question for for both of you sort of prefest on post 2016 and i think a lot of people were just thought everyone that voted for trump is. stupid and ignorant and how could they do that? and some people said well, we really need to sit down and and listen and talk and you guys actually did that and canyon i'm wondering what qualities you saw that chloe had that made that
effective in her district and then chloe for you how that experience changed you and maybe i knew it's the community you grew up in but how that changed you and what you saw that maybe you didn't see. before you ran thanks. yeah, i mean. well, i think i think it's i'm it's easy to just write people off as the other and whatever category that falls and with trump voters. whether it's us thinking about trump voters or what plenty of trump voters think about me is as a former bernie campaigner. it's really easy to just close the door close the conversation there and just ascribe the worst possible characteristics to them
that you can without ever entertaining a conversation or looking them in the eye and seeing where our shared humanity is what our shared values are and i think what what is one of the many things that makes chloe such? a powerful force in our community is her ability to empathize with people and see people as neighbors rather than others and i think that that opens so many meaningful doors. that's so kind. yeah, i think. you know at the beginning when i first started having conversations with folks, who were looking at the world very differently than i was it was really challenging because i like i genuinely didn't know what to say. you know, what what language to use to have that conversation without just arguing about it, which is not it's not productive, you know, and so i
ended up just listening. mostly by default and just being like wow, you know this is this is really interesting like i don't agree with it, but i kind of see where it's coming from and the more that i did that the more that it made sense, you know, all the threads started to come together and i there definitely a lot of conversations where there's no there's no i don't have any space for you know, it's it's very racist. it's very, you know phobic it's very hateful and i don't do that but most of the time even if we disagree on 90% of the things there might be 10% that we agree on and we can have a great conversation about 100% of it. and you know, i feel like there's this tendency in politics it's so unhuman like don't agree with anyone 100% of the time, you know, the people i'm closest to her in this room and we disagree all the time and it's like why are we supposed to agree 100% with our political candidates? it doesn't make any sense. and so that principle of
agreeing to disagree actually became really powerful and it opened up all of the space in me to have to have those conversations with folks and to be able to find that common ground and i think i in like very small, you know, probably not great ways. i learned how to have when people were saying problematic things had a how to engage with that a little bit and move move the needle maybe just a smidge. i said that's good question. i want to make sure we are we going to eight are we going to all right. i know i get a question right here. i won't do want to miss that that's why i'm asking and rate the back so don't give me the truck as we could go to like 10, this is awesome right here. so it's just well honor some time. i am billy. i leverage dickey and i want to thank you mr. ward you ms. maxman and you mr. woodward for coming to talk to us. i'm studying to become a teacher and i work in portland schools
at the moment. one thing where thinking one thing we're learning about is how to teach things like how to teach about religion how to teach about civics and i want to make because we've kind of backed away from teaching civics to kids for some reason even those kind of like the point of teaching them um, so i was wondering like i designed a lesson to teach kids about taxes for instance and like they enjoyed it because we like made up what are some things we could tax and i realized like designing these lessons how complicated it is and you were just giving me such a good example with like being an official the system of local politics learning the system. that's like all this stuff. so super interesting when you get down to it. so i think kids would really find it interesting. case in point, my mentor teacher is kind of like the gossip says
she's a trump supporter. so it's like but she's great like i love talking to her and we have interesting conversations. so i feel like this reflects what you guys were talking about. um, but then how do i insert myself in her class and teach about guys or something? that kind of answered my own question. you talked to her about it. so my real question is what do you think is important to teach students about running for office local politics? and excellent. no, and and i know you want to give a shout out. let's get around with pause becoming a teacher. i think that's one of the hardest things right now. so thank you. thank you for committing to that service, but that was one of my questions as well. yeah, what what should be taught i was gonna say, you know, if someone wanted to step into that political process, what's some advice you have but great question, what would you offer? amen to be in your future i
think about some of the best things that came out of the divestment movement as like young climate activists on college campuses all over the country is like folks are going on to be in politics or be teachers or be farmers and engage in really powerful ways and in such yeah in such different ways. there's so many different ways to do this work. they're so important. i go back to thinking about. the just like looking at the composition of congress or of the legislature and in the state where i grew up or we're in our state and just like what it looks like just like still so dominated by old white men and you know like they like there's there's a place for that but it's it should not be this
over-represented. groups the way the is and having stories of young folks like chloe doing this work is so important for people to be able to see themselves in that and see that's possible to to run for office and to be elected and to to serve their community in that way. so i think i think telling this is so important. i agree. i appreciate the question as well because i think you said it best is to have role models to have a vision that you can you can do this and i think you represent that. so well one of my biggest fears too was how do you just jump in right? how do you do it? i didn't really think i could and your story gives, you know, young kids in that moment the realization that they can't you could step out and be impactful and that's what that's what folks need. that's what they need to see sort of their role models the diversity of the road models
lived experiences in-house and senate seats. so i absolutely agree. i think that's that's great question right there. i find you. hi, i'm bob. i'm an old white man from south portland. governor max on senator maxman, i know you are committed to being very thorough in your answers, but you didn't seem to speak to the governor point and i thought i would just my my review suggests. it was ken curtis in 1966 at 35 years of age. so i think there are many of us who would agree that's far long enough. you still have a little bit of time but just curious about your thoughts there. number one. hi number two. i mean, i just i continually come back to this feeling and that's very particular to me and my personality that there's so much power and movement building. you know, there's and i feel like there's a lot more power
movement building and getting tons of young people elected of all different identities and backgrounds all across the country. then there is in just me being in my head against a wall and asking people to hold me up while i do it. so, you know, i think that's just kind of where i think and i definitely want good people in office. i want to support other other awesome people getting in office and i'll just stay behind the scenes for a little bit doing the doing the organizing. i think we're all like on pins and needles waiting for you to just announce tonight, but but until then what you don't have to talk to me too about what what you both find as ways to do some self-care you talked about it. i know you do running, but i know there's probably there's absolutely more. what are some self-care you do to get you between sessions between the highs and lows and while we wait for your your next whatever it is. talk to me about self-care and
what others maybe in the political process can do for self care. well, yeah running running is one of the main consistent things for me if that's a rock like six six days a week. also, love dabbling and pottery and i would say the you know, the the main thing outside of that is making time for outdoor adventures with friends friends and family getting away for i think i got got away for two week raft trip right in the middle of our campaign summer of 2018, which is kind of wild and retrospects. but but those things are so important to come back with with the energy that you need to charge through. i love being outside since it's main i get to farm with my partner, which is always really beautiful and i love watching a ton of tv and crossword puzzles. yeah, so that's not really it sounds so boring.
it's boring and there's there's a lot that you do. you need boy any tv shows movies that you're gonna recommend for us right now. what are you watching? i don't i'm too embarrassed to say what i'm right now let's say every day. what's the most what's the best one that you could throw out there and anything? she's a gossip girl you like money heist has a great theme for these days if anyone's watching money heist so good. yeah. i like that that's good. that's good. i'll ask one more time any audience questions before we all right. there's a hand right there and then i see yours and then that'll be it for tonight. lovely folks need to go home. so hi, my name is ava lina and i'm a nebraska and so in that vein. i'm kind of just curious as to your thoughts about what small grassroots campaigns might look like in different areas of the country. i know you represent different
rural areas. and so i wonder if you've noticed any differences and how you might approach different campaigns. that's a good question. yeah, what could translate to other places what doesn't translate but what could translate to other places so good question. yeah, i mean. i hate the answer every question with community, but i feel like i feel like folks come. come for like the cause for whatever issue brings them in but if folks are going to stay in it for the amount of time that takes to affects change. they've got to come back for for the community for the relationships and friendships that form there. and so that's that's what i hold on a pedestal. yeah, i think. such it's such a good question. i don't know.
i mean, you know your hometown best, you know, and what and what might resonate there and i think there's definitely some themes that we've seen working and campaigns and other states. you know that i think the bad themes where we can kind of be like, okay. this is where we can do something differently to kind of confront some of those patterns that we see when when there's canvassing happening in rural places, and i totally agree with canyon that that having a community oriented political space can make can just make such a huge difference wherever wherever you are. i think you know another another thing that's kind of specific to our what are races look like as we just received so many so much feedback from the people we talk to and then we would integrate that into you know, what are mailers look like what are video sounded like, etc etc. and so i think that that iterative process can also create content and i can't pay in that really reflects the community that you're organizing in.
and excellent question that if you hadn't noticed the personal touch, i really i've seen that come through you guys have a personal touch that's huge in campaigns. and then the other thing i see have fun enjoy this it's almost like a once in a lifetime. so always always have fun. final question right there. i know it's a lot of pressure, but i know you get a good question. so all right. so being an old person here that's been in the state politics for a while longer than both of you have been one of the things that i would ask is you go along and visit people and talk about this book is that there was a time when things weren't so divisive. there was a time right after the second obama the second election where the age of the legislature was the majority of the age was 30 and under there were amazing people coming out of college and saying for their very first job was serving and they brought
this wonderful insight and this wonderful energy and some of them like representative luchini and representative good they were long distance runners and i really think that that helped an awful lot was really long legislative nights. so i would advocate for anybody to continue to do that. i guess there was and there was a process and i don't know if they do it any longer, but there was a process called welcome back. and it was when legislators no matter how long that they would serve they all were welcome back to the state house. and there was a time when they would hug each other no matter what party you were from no matter how much you argued on the session floor you would ask each other about their their families and about what was going on with them. so i would just ask you to think about those stories of the people that came before because there was a time when things felt differently in the state house and it was people still fought for their parties and their issues, but they didn't fight so hard and such the way that maybe things are now.
the question i think came up was how do you inspire young people and i would say that voting happens in a lot of school cafeterias, so i would say get as many kids into the physical voting booths that they can and make them feel the dots in because that's when they really start understanding what this process is about. know i have a question is i so we didn't have the software that helped run campaigns called the van. it's really very new for us here in maine and it was actually obama's second generation. we started using it for the time so i guess my question to you is with all the software and all the technology. do you think that that always helps the campaign or is it stepping outside the immense amount of information we have and actually just talking to people. so it's it's sharing technology with still that personal touch. i guess would be my question for both of you guys. yeah. that's a great question. i think. tech on campaigns is definitely
a super double-edged sword and thank you so much for what you shared in terms of background that. resonates, i think like the van is a super useful tool. we you know. it might be great if wasn't just kind of a monopoly, but that's different conversation. but i've seen you know, i've seen campaigns go way too deep into and new apps of like kind of like text your friends like get them on board download this app and pledge to vote and and it's spirals and into stuff. that doesn't feel very productive when i think the core of them needs to be making those facilitating face-to-face conversations. yeah, first of all, definitely wanted to say yes to honoring the history, you know, and where we come from and how things have changed and you know, the shoulders of the folks that we're standing on the people who have run in the races before us
and and all of that good work is definitely honored and recognized especially especially in the book. yeah. i mean, it's so interesting in lincoln county. it's it feels it's a very special thing. we have the lincoln county news, you know, and it's actually a very widely red paper and it's a very effective way to communicate we didn't really have a huge digital strategy. we didn't put a ton of money into facebook this you know, it's also the oldest county in the state and has internet connectivity challenges. so it just wasn't, you know, it's just didn't resonate with with folks. there's actually kind of cool to not have to rely so much on digital strategy and to just really put all of our resources and focus and to how do we build authentic meaningful relationships with oil and meet them where they're at. thank you for that question. and yeah things move it light speed sometimes and we forget where we were just two three four years ago. so it's always good to pause and and honor that history. so so thank you final question
for the night first off. thank you all for your wonderful questions. those were amazing. you took my job and made a really easy. so thank you my final question for you and don't forget you have copies of the book here and they'll both be available if you want to ask any personal questions. i'm sure so last question. it's really regards the book but really the the theme of tonight. give us something a call to action a chart as we leave here that this book sort of tells us that we need to do is we're looking at sort of in the future. just sum up. really the highlights of what this book is going to help us coming into politics being part of political process or just voters. what's that going to help us do? i mean, i would say run for office, especially especially if you're a young person put yourself out there. bring your friends along and give it a go even even if you don't win at the process of it
is is so meaningful and valuable if not that we need more people having those conversations. it's not always fun. but hopefully hopefully the shared community of it can be meaningful and and getting involved in local elections is so so important but also go out plant some seeds whether in the ground or or seeds of radical thought and miss trump's classroom. yeah, there are so many ways to engage. yeah, i was going to say support your local folks running for office, you know and go help them and if they're looking okay, then drive a java a few minutes or a few hours away and and help someone else running in a rural place, but i want to hear what you would how you would answer that question, too. so i was the answer my own question. i think what this book does is it first gives us a wake-up
call. it tells us to honor both sides and that politics does not have to be so divisive that there is a path forward. it's having the conversation. it is sitting down and really thinking through and finding places where we can compromise and if there was anything that i would leave folks with as well as sort of what you're saying is local politics is is the place to begin to not just get your feet wet, but to understand how the process works how to have tough conversations, but those issues impact you in your local community. so if you live here in portland or you live in another town or another city. you know your your tax dollars go to that town or that city it impacts you so feeling power to be active and to get active there and then come support these fine folks and support others who are also running races in our senate in our house as well. but but it starts small and it can grow and sometimes it can happen really fast like in your story and sometimes it happens like mine. it's it's gonna be you know year
after year after year, but we've started small and and there's big things on the horizon. so that's what i i'd leave with but i didn't want mine mine to be the last word years to be the last word. yeah any last thoughts with the interview? thank you so much. yeah, it's a pleasure. thank you both continue to great work. thank you all.
good afternoon. welcome to our new afternoon keynote here. i'm jim elliott editorial director of publishers weekly and with me as chris finding author of a new book how free speech save democracy just out the last few weeks from stairford. press i've now chris for probably better than 30 years carly. he's executive director of the national coalition against censorship and before that. he had a long stint overseeing american booksellers foundation for free expression. and so chris. i thought maybe we would begin there and talking about, you know, maybe som