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a family of five brutally killed in a tiny farm town, mother, father, teen-aged brother and sister, baby brother, all dead. the only one to survive this horrific massacre, a 3-year-old girl. what monster would wipe out a whole family? all those kids. special news, ordered to strip at school, to his underwear then locked up in a tiny dark room looks like a jail cell, solitary confinement, cinderblocks, concrete floor, the door with no handle, covered window. this is though criminal s. this how you punish a 9-year-old? call in. the number 1-877-tell-hln.
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e-mail us: or shoot us a text at hlntv. just start your message with the word "prime. "i've it's your chance to be heard. >> controversy, opinion, your chance to be heard. this is "prime news." >> this is "prime news." i'm mike galanos. and unthinkable massacre, a family killed in a quite farm town 140 miles southwest of chicago. a contractor and stay-at-home-wife, their kids. they're all dead. the kids waited for their school bus, the neighborhood post office, picked candy out of the post office cookie jar. this as they did homework before school. an innocent family, all lost. it is tragic. who could do o this? >> leads have been developed and are being vigorously pursued. this was a brutal homicide against an entire family and we
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are determined to identify and arrest those responsible. >> we'll take your calls on this at 1-877-tell-hln. bringing in our hln law enforcement analyst mike brooks and ryan den im, online news editor also knew the family. ryan, the latest, any leads who might have done? ? >> no. at this point police have been very tight lipped. if they do have leads, they are not sharing it with media or members of the community. right now, a lot of questions down there in beason, very, very small community about a three-hour drive southwest of chicago, very quiet town and street here on broadway. basically a lot of questions around town. >> okay. we'll ask and see, did you know the family, ryan? >> no, i talked to a lot of family and friends down there today, basically got a real good picture of these kids that made a wig impact on a lot of lives
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from the post master in town to a family friend, a huge impact. >> so, good people, good kids, that's what we know. >> yeah, definitely. >> okay. did they have, despite that, did the family, rick gee, himself, have any enemies? >> not that we know of. police have not said anything to that sort. at this point, we're waiting and seeing how the thing develops. >> let's bring in mike brooks. i know it is early, getting just a thumbnail here from ryan. appears no enemies. >> right. >> good kids, good family. where do you start here. >> mike, you start with the people closest to them, friends, associates, business associate, any business dealings with mr. gee, somebody mad at him even look at the kids, the 14-year-old, 16-year-old did, he has of a beef with somebody at school? everything. but it is such a small communities. they'll do the normal things, look at his computer, cell phone records all these things to try to find leads. what kind of evidence was left
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at the scene? what is the motive, all things we're not hearing anything about, mike, but what they did say, apparently there were evidence markers in the driveway. what kind of evidence was left there at the scene? was it one person? was it more than one person? we hear law enforcement say, you know, no suspect. so does that mean it's one or is it more than sfwhon we don't know at this point v. early non the investigation but they're being very, very tight lipped and holding things very close to the vest. >> let's listen a little bit more from law enforcement as they arrive to this grisly tragedy. let's listen. >> mon arrival at the scene, five members of the raymond gee family were found diseased in  the residence. all of the bodies have been removed from the residence and transported to peoria for autopsies. >> okay. there you go. the basics. ryan, mike, both of you said it. they are very tight lipped. ryan what's going on in that small community? folks have to be on edge that a killer's on the loose.
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>> oh, absolutely. yeah, we've talked to folks who, one family particularly who chose to leave their home last night and stay elsewhere because they didn't know what was going on. they saw five of their neighbors dead and didn't know where to turn. evening this morning we didn't hear from authorities people should lock their doors or take precautions until about 7:00 a.m., you know, about 12 hours after the initial call. so, we had a good 12 hours of silence there where we didn't kind of know what was going on, still kind of the case. >> what's the word now from law enforcement, what are they telling folks in the area. >> there are enough in town so i think people should feel comfortable with that. >> okay. >> obviously a number of police, they have a hub set up in the middle of town so i think people should be safe there but the key, still a lot of questions, you don't have fib people able to get killed and not -- >> mike, come on like you are sleeping with one eye open. you don't want to panic anybody but there is a killer on the
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loose. what you are telling people. >> a lot of times people leave their doors open and nice weather out there now. now you've got to keep your doors locked and your kids inside. if law enforcement isn't really saying anything it doesn't give you a warm and fuzzy feeling. you know one of the other questions, too, is this such a small community that maybe there are no surveillance cameras in this small community, are there any businesses? these are all things law enforcement will take a look at. apparently it was brought to their attention by a 911 call for the sound of gunshots being fired in the area, when they went to this house and found these people. i mean, you can usually tell by looking at a crime scene who was killed first. i mean, there's going to be a lot of physical evidence there on the scene and usually a perpetrator or the perpetrators is going to leave something behind. >> okay. such a sad, sad story. >> really is. >> we'll keep following it. ryan, thank you, mike, you, as well. we appreciate it. coming up, take a look at
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that photo, 9-year-old, special needs kid was acting up in place, that's where they sent him basically solitary confinement. he had to strip down to his underwear and strip down to an "x" the way you punish a 9-year-old, dealing with a special needs child? more on this coming up. we'll take your calls at 1-877-tell-hln. ÷.
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welcome back to "prime news" on hln. unbelievable what happened to one mom and dad, taking battie bath time photos little girls getting out of the bathtub. of course the toddlers are naked. well, a walmart worker flagged it, sent it to child protective
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services. the kids were taken away. mom and dad accused of being sex offenders? an month later judge ruled the photos were innocent. for you the family is suing. sounds like they have a good case. want to hear from you on this 1-877-tell-hln is the number. feel free to chime in on this one, as well. it's horrific, stripped down to the underwear locked up in a dark room not talking about a jail inmate this is what a mom says happened her 9-year-old at school. look at this room. looks like a prison cell, solitary confinement. the cement floor, cinder block walls. the door without a knob. the only window covered with a cloth, the seclusion room at joseph brown elementary school, columbia, tennessee. mom says her special needs son was ordered to stand basically in his underwear on a black "x" on the floor. that's the way you're going to discipline this little guy, he's 9? call 1-877-tell-hln is the number. joining me to talk about it, the little guy's mom, michelle parks and also her attorney kevin
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latta. michel michelle, take us back, give us the specifics of what happened that day. >> yeah, i was called to the school to come pick up my son that was having a disruptive day in the classroom. and didn't want to do any work, didn't want to listen or follow any of the rules that the teacher had that day. suspended him for two days out of school. when i arrived upon the school to find myself locked in this room, in his underwear. >> michelle, i couldn't imagine it being a father myself to find one of my sons in that state. i'm sure what was his condition when you saw him? i'm sure he was just upset, beside himself. >> yeah, he was upset, mad, my son suffers otd -- so he stays angry, which we're working with him to correct this and i thought the school was there to help. >> okay. well, let's so everybody has an understanding your son you
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mentioned it, adhd, right? >> yes. >> and odd, which is, what oppositional defiance disorder, a problem wr authority or authority figures? >> a problem with authority just being told to do. >> so he's a handful in class. >> oh, why. >> and can be, right. >> he can be, yes. >> the school knows that. how were you working with them, what kind of dialogue? >> me and miss walker, hi teacher would talk daily. >> every day. >> every day. >> was this the first time he was punt in this room. >> no, sir. >> he had been there before and they had told you, hey, your 9-year-old's been in here, mom, are you okay with that or how did you go down in the past? >> no, sir, i was told it was a time-out room, a calming room to call him down. and i didn't realize the room was to extent it was until i arrived at the school to actually go in the room and see. >> so, that's what they are calling a calming room basically what looks like solitary
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confinement. >> yes. >> let me bring in your attorney here, kevin lat tachlt kevin, from what i gather it is legal to have an isolation room in emergency situations, right? >> yeah, mike. >> tell me, where does the school go wrong here? i mean, obviously, the underwear, stripping the poor little guy down to his underwear is wrong but what else are you seeing? >> i think the stripping to the underwear may be a separate issue but within something called the special education is laying restraint modernization positive yarvel supports act codified last year certain things the school would have to do prior to putting anyone in an isolation room. we think that this doesn't fit the statutory definition of an isolation room. for instance the statute specifically proscribes putting anyone in a locked room. here, the door didn't have a handle on the inside. by definition, if someone was in it and the door was shut, they were locked in. in addition it's not to be used for punishment, coercion, retaliation.
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it's only to be used -- it's intended as a room, in a trained, specially trained school administrator can get a child who is having problems and bring them into the room, sit with them and call them down. >> okay. the day it happened, michelle, what had he done to deserve this? >> he didn't want to participate in class with any of his work. >> had he kicked the teacher. >> yes. >> and been verbally -- >> yes. >> okay. help me out, kevin, on that front you could say, okay, that's for public -- for safety from everybody that you have to take this little 9-year-old and set him in -- get him away from everybody, right? but it's what happens next, right? i also from that same statute you are reading from i want to read this and get your take from it that school personnel shall remain in the fiscal presence of any restrained student and shall continuously observe a student who is in isolation or being restrained to monitor the health or well-being of such a student. michelle, first off were they monitoring your son or not?
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>> there was a sheet over the window and the teachers were outside when i arrived. >> so they couldn't have seen noimplts. >> obviously, kevin, an than fraction there, number one not in the room with him, number two there is a cloth over the window so you can't see how he is doing, right. >> mike, that's probably some of the most troubling information we've seen so far and still trying to investigate this and get facts from the school about this. >> yeah, we put a call into the school, didn't back to us. so, we'll continue this conversation. we'll take your calls, your comments, your questions on this, the number 1-877-tell-hln.
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just so demeaning, he had to stand on the black "x." we have the little guys mom with us and her attorney. julie from oklahoma, your thoughts here? >> caller: my thoughts are that the parents had to, first you want to applaud the parents for being so calm about the issue. i don't think i could be that calm. i have 11-year-old twin daughters and i have a letter that says that they are not allowed to punish my child without me being there. and i think if the child was that unruly, they should have called the parents. i understand she's probably at work and everything, but, you know, this is the number one priority is our children and i'm just getting chills talking about it because there's so much that these schools are not doing that they could be doing with all the funding they're getting. >> julie, thanks for the call. michelle, what kind of aagreement you did have? we've established your little guy could be a challenge in the classroom. if he acted out did you have an understanding with the teacher, you can do x or y? >> we have an iep which my
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attorney is looking into right now. >> what's that. >> an individual education program that's required. this punishment should of have been this it and signed off before it was administered. >> so, did you have anything, what specifically if he acted out could they do that you're okay with. >> we're still looking and get the information from the school on the records. we believe the last one was done in december last year and didn't contain any of the language. >> this is his individual education program and this is where we are trying to meet his needs and goals. >> right. >> is that basically it? >> right. >> okay. michelle, are you working with the school now or is all communication cut off. >> it's pretty much cut off at this point. >> do you want him to go back to that school or are you guys going to go elsewhere? tough one? you don't have -- >> it's hard right now. >> it's hard. >> i don't know. i'm trying to get my thoughts straight. i'm trying to get the best education i can for my son. so, i don't know right this
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second. >> he had an appointment today with a psychologist, mike that, recommended that he not go back that, it might be more detrimental and traumatic for him. >> okay. michelle. >> i'm sorry. >> go ahead, finish up. >> we've secured an injunction, temporary injunction against the school from using this room for any purpose and stripping this child's clothing until we can have a hearing to determine just how far they've stray trd the statute. >> exactly. we need to know what happened in that room and why they would go to these lengths. michelle, how is he doing. >> he's fine. i've spent the day with him today. of course, we had burger king and then doctors visits, so we had a good idea. just scared. just scared that he was going to have to go back there and excited that i might be making other arrangements for him. >> so, he doesn't want to go back to that school. >> no, sir. >> doesn't miss his friends or anything, he wants out of there. >> no, sir. right. >> okay. michelle, did you think you had a good relationship with the school, a good working
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relationship and this is completely blind-siding you here? >> i guess this is where it gets hard. i thought me and his teacher were on the level, that we were making this better and jacob would come home telling me stuff that was happening during the day and i just pretty much thought it was just him not wanting to go to school. >> so, he gave you a few warning signs some things might be happening and you thought, just a little 9-year-old talking. >> yeah. >> and his dad is in the service, right. >> his dad is in iraq, yes, sir. >> which makes it more difficult, right, that you've got to bear this load? >> yes, sir. >> well, michelle, thanks for joining us for sharing your story, your heart and, you know, these kind of stories we have to get out there because you are not the only parent dealing with this. we want to make sure our schools are helping out in doing anything detrimental to our little guys out there. we wish you and your son the best, your family as well. stay us with. more "prime news" coming up.
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♪ welcome to comcast local edition. i am donna richardson and my guest this hour is colonel george f. johnson iv superintendent of the maryland natural resources police. colonel, thank you for joining me. >> great to be here with you. >> in addition to being with the maryland natural resources you are president of the maryland police chief association, and who in addition to chief are your members? and who is working with you? >> it is comprised mostly of chief of police from all over the state and state government and law enforcement chiefs and county and municipalities that
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exist in all of the state of maryland. >> i know as a group i know there are several initiatives taking place. there is a new one. checkpoint strike force. >> yes, it is a research based-multi-state situation where we pick and we go out there and we look for drivers that are impaired and work to get them off of the road and we do that through our sobriarity checkpoints and our saturation patrols. >> and so, which jerse - jurisdiction, one specific area or all of the jurisdictions now involved? >> all throughout maryland, the chiefs of police have signed on. every jurisdiction signed on in some way shape or form to participate in the checkpoint strike force. >> and so do you find that the checkpoints are helpful in
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hopefully lowering traffic fatalities? >> absolutely. fatalities have been reduced 20 percent in the areas where we are doing the checkpoints . it proves to be extremely beneficial to us in many different ways. >> and do you find that the residents are supporting the checkpoints and do you have partner necessary this effort? >> yes, we do. as you know, it is a powerful organization of mothers against drunk drivers. we work with them chosely in this endeavor and other organizations. their surveys indicate 85 to 90 percent of the people they talked to support the checkpoints. >> do you do these at specific times of year or are the checkpoints ongoing initiative. >> they are ongoing initiatives. they will be taking place every week and everywhere and where you think that it is the best
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possible opportunity to deploy the work force and effective use knowledge of our people in this endeavor. >> as you are having the checkpoints and i know initially you are looking for impaired drivers, but are you finding other things when you are pulling over the impaired drivers? >> oh, yes. people are very surprised what we run into on the checkpoints. the main focus is to get the impaired drivers that use alcohol off of the streets and identify them. but we are running into people who have warrants on them. their licenses are suspended, some people have drugs in the vehicle this we were able to detect and find. there is a whole gamut of things and seat belt usage. it helps us with the seat belt initiatives and child safety seat. we are able to make different
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observations and of course, we put a lot of emphasis on the seat belt usage and child safety seat as well >> i know some jurisdiction or most of the them, there is zero tolerance if you don't have your seat belt on, it is amazing that people are still driving without them. >> it is with the seat belt usage, if you are involved in an accident with the impaired drivers that use alcohol that gives you that much more of a chance to survive. >> how can citizens assist with the checkpoint strike force? >> we need them to be our eyes and ears out there. as with many thing necessary law enforcement and we ask citizens to do. if they see a person driving erratically or aggressively and feel they are under the influence of alcohol. pick up the cell phone and dial the number 911 or what ever it is that they feel comfortable in
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using. >> thank you, colonel for joining me. >> donna thank you for helping us. >> thank you for watching comcast local edition. i am donna richason.
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all right. this one just floors me nearly every mom and dad in america have the cute bath time foes of their kids, toddlers, of course they are naked in the bathtub. folks in an arizona walmart thought one family's photos showed a little too much. next thing you know child services take away all three of these little girls. 4, 5, 18 months old, mom and dad labeled sex offenders, mom suspended from her work. but a month later a judge ruled the photos were harmless. imagine being those parents. >> here we were, forced to sit and watch helplessly as they ripped our crying, screaming --
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terrified children away from us. >> we now realize how much control the state has and that they can pull any one of your children out of your home right now. >> make all parents stop and think. we'll take your calls on this 1-877-tell-hln. joining me to talk about it, little ones' grandm grandma jeanie stump, also the family attorney. starting with you, your daughter and husband thought they took the fnt bath time shots. when did they find out they are some trouble and the kids could be taken away? >> actually, when the police showed up actually four officers showed up at their door on a saturday morning to talk with them and asked if they could come in. they had no idea what the police were there and invited them in. they had nothing to hide. and started questioning about the photos and, again, they had nothing to hide. they admitted they had taken them. and the next thing they knew, they were taking the children away for sexual exams and
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forensic interviews and they couldn't believe it. they were -- they could not believe that was happening. the kids were frightened. it was terrible. then the kids were returned to them later that afternoon. cps returned them to them. they had them for four hours, they were toll they could -- i'm sorry they had been told to leave their home so they could do a search warrant. the police took every photo out of their home, every camera, every computer. totally destroyed their home. and then called them at 7:00 p.m. at night and said you can come home now. when they thought home they thought the nightmare was over but it had just begun and they told them at that time we're taking your children. and this was after a family member had been there and said, no, i'm family. i'll take the children. that was earlier. and again, at 7:00, he was on the phone saying i'm one mile away. i'll come get your children. >> it was all in one day. there was though advance warning, no interviews, it was we're coming, took the kids away for examinations, later that
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night they finds out kids -- they had to go to foster care for a couple days. how did the little ones handle that? >> they were frightened to death. as lisa and a.j. described in their local press conference it was horrible because the kids were scared, frightened, didn't know where they were going. mommy and daddy didn't know where they were going and it was gut wrenching, it really was and for all of boss because we didn't know where our children were, my grandchildren. it was very scary. >> now, how were they then you, took custody, when they were away from mom and dad for a month. >> uh-huh. >> how tough was that for the little ones? >> it was very tough. when we fine -- we only got custody of them because of a lawyer friend who enter veeded on our behalf and put in a call to a governor's office. otherwise, we wouldn't have the children even with the three days. they would have delayed it longer. and he had someone he knew which enabled us to get the children back by september 2nd.
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>> if we just stop and a 5-year-old, a 4-year-old an 18-month-old, mom and dad is their whole world. i couldn't imagine what they went through. let me read the statement from the city. dick then i'll get you. -- the fact is when we were contacted about children who may be at rick, we investigate. this is what we should do, according to the city attorney. the city stands behind the appropriate actions of our officers. they are standing their ground. a 57-page report, dick talking about using terms like child erotica provocative proceedss, what's your response, what's going on with these pictures, help us out. >> i hope you have shown your views the four pictures we did send to you of the kids in bath towels with their father. >> yes, we dimplts those are the example peculiar we are showing the detective in charge of this was utilizing deciding what's
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child pornography, what's child erotica. >> the picture of the one with dad is child erotica? >> that's what he said. >> really. >> the points of that we cannot show photos that show nudity because we were subject ourselves to being arrested. despite the fact a superior court judge said this are innocent photos, the child advocate to uphold the children's' right -- -- the city of peoria still continue to harm these people because they put the report out again in response to our coming forward here now and put the descriptions in there of this detective who has absolutely no training, no expertise whatsoever in determining what's really child pornography or e rot ka or, in this case what they really charged was sexual sxlitation that the parents took these pictures of the children for the purpose of stimulating the sexual interest of the view.
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>> i know, dick, time is ticking on us here, you are filing basically a defamation lawsuit against the city and others and also against walmart. because, what, help us out with the walmart suit real quick, dick. >> the walmart suit is based on consumer fraud, taking the money from the customer. undur other law they cannot deceive you and tell you ahead of time we'll be censure of your pictures and if we don't like them we'll take them to the cops. >> again frightening a lot of folks out there. here's their statement. we recognize this is an emotional statement for everyone involved. what happened here is sensitive and we take our role seriously. by arizona law, it was our obligation to report and let the authorities decide whether to investigate. >> not true. >> not true? that's their statement but you're saying what they're saying is wrong. >> they are not obligated to report them. they have the voluntary right to do that. they have certain immunity if they do, in good faith, produce those photos to the police but they're not obligated not mandatory reporters like a physician or a teacher. >> okay.
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>> or something like that. >> these aren't trained people. >> not at all, no training what sofr. >> real quick and i'll let you guys go. how is the family, how are the little girls, happy i'm sure? are they still feeling the effects of this? >> they're very happy to be home. it's great to have them home. do they still feel the effects of it? yes, we hear little snippets every once in a while that lets us know, you know, especially is the eldest one. >> left a scar. thanks. we'll continue our conversation. we'll take your calls and thoughts on this. 1-877-tell-hln's the number. pothole:h no...your tire's all flat and junk. oh, did i do that? here, let me get my cellular out - call ya a wrecker. ...oh shoot...i got no phone ...cuz i'm a pothole...so....k, bye! anncr: accidents are bad.
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that's 1-800-293-5548 call now! welcome back to "prime news" on hln. want to hear from you on this one, as we are finding out a family taking innocent bath time pictures, little toddlers, little girls in the tub, yeah a
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few naked shots from there. a walmart employee didn't like you what he saw developing pictures, calls the authorities, who call child protective services, next thing you know the kids are taken from mom and dad. to the phones. mitch is with us in florida. mitchell go, ahead. >> caller: hi, mike. you know, i think that statement from walmart was just pathetic. for a big corporation such as them in. but, more so, how does somebody from child protective services not look at these pictures and even say to themselves, hey, wait, this is just innocent? i mean, this is really kind of like a family tradition. >> millions of families, they have that shot. there are shots of me, i'm sure there are shots of you, your kids. mitchell, thanks for the call. let's bring in jennifer brant, family law attorney and mike brooks with us, as well. jennifer, what could child protective services be thinking here, a mom and dad, no history of abuse and you are going to yank the kids for these pictures? >> right. i mean, i put the blame totally on child protective services. they are the professionals here
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and should be able to distinguish between innocent family photos and those that are those of a predator. they could have dissolved this situation so quickly by going to the house and seeing what this family was all, about maybe talking to some relatives or friends, neighbors. i mean, this could have been done with in a matter of an hour, you know, but yet they carried it on and took these children away. >> in one day. >> such an extreme measure for something totally unfounded. >> ease we found out from the grandmother happened in one day, she show up and a few hours later the kids are gone. >> that's not bad enough but then they kept the children out of the parents' custody for a month. >> for a months. >> that is extreme when you don't have any proof here these people did anything. i'm sure if they talked to neighbors error the school or friends or anybody else any third party probably could have corroborated the parents' story saying these are innocent people, a love can family and be done with this situation. >> another call and we'll get
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mike in after that. bobby from texas go hoo head. >> caller: yes, sir, i want to say the walmarts in texas have a sign up that says they deem anything unappropriate, they will call the local authorities on you. >> so, you see -- at the walmart you've seen that sign is out there plain and simple. real quick back to jennifer, what about the case against walmart, do you think it's a good one this sign wasn't out there and they didn't know. >> i do. that's one of the allegations they brought up in the lawsuit, that there was no warning to the public their photos could be taken. there should be warning or notice that people have that, you know, hmm, maybe i better think what i'm giving to the store to process if it's something questionable, you know, they would know not to do this. >> let me read this from kathleen facebook, in this instance, it was taken to an extreme but because of all the horrible things that happen everything must be investigated to. mike brooks, as an investigator, what could these folks have seen with these pictures? this we're hearing this photo
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right here, someone dubbed with dad and the daughter was child erotica. what are they looking at, mike. >> i have no idea what they were looking at. look, i had a case with a family, you know, i mean, a real child porn case and, you know, i don't know what they were thinking of. >> okay. mike, mike is having microphone issues, i think we heard in there. there he is. you don't know what they're thinking. >> had no idea what they are thinking. first of all what kind of train doing these people at walmart have, some 18-year-old, look at these pictures with this kid and this towel? what were they thinking? i have no idea. but then if the cops, law enforcement said, well, wait a minute this is child erotica, they had a search warrant to go to the house. who signed the search warrant, mike is mike? it was a judge. was the judge just going on the word of this officer or detective that had probable cause to think there might be other child erotica first of all, they seized the computer
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and looked in the house. someone dealing in you will find more on the computer and they were send to other places. usually, as a result, you know, of these cases you don't just usually see it kept on one computer, you see them sending from one computer to another. and then, the judge says, oh, no, they were harmless, the child advocate says they were harmless. one other child expect said they were harmless. so, what did this person at walmart and what kind of train dg that person have and what did this officer -- has this officer or detective ever had a case like this? doesn't sound like. >> exactly. guys have to leave it there. infuriating to think b. jennifer, mike, appreciate it. coming up a mother struggling to conceive her last child, finds out the good news she's pregnant but her clinic implanted the wrong embryo. she's carrying the child now for another couple, an incredible sacrifice. want to hear from you 1-877-tell-hln.
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welcome back. a couple in ohio who went to a fertility clinic for help conceiving a baby, well, they did conceive now must give that child up. on the day caroline savage and her husband got the news, good news she was pregnant, she was also told the clinic accidentally implanted the wrong embryo. the couple was given two options terminate the pregnancy or give up the child. >> they won't be in the o.r. during the delivery but will be close by and reunited with their son hopefully within minutes of the birth. after that, sean and i have made a decision that we'll defer to their judgment as his parents as to any kind of contact that may be afforded to us in the role that we played in bringing him
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into this world. >> wow. they called -- they've turned this into saying this a gift they are giving to this other couple and i applaud this self-sacrificing couple carrying this baby to term knowing them have to give it up giving the gift of life in this kaels. want to hear from you. joining me welcome back family law foreign jennifer brandt and also stacey kaiser. starting with you. i can't imagine how hard it would be for a woman to carry a baby nine months now knowing she's doing it because a fertility clinic screwed up. >> yeah, the level of sadness has to be tremendous. what we don't see in the interview played on the "today show" the amount of anger that has got to be there. she has got to be really frustra frustra frustrated with the people that made this mistake >> let's back-track and know
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what it was like when she heard. her husband told her the good slash bad news. let's listen. >> shane came home and told me right away and it was -- it was just a very shocking moment. we -- i couldn't even comprehend what he was saying. i know i was kind of yelling at him, asking him if he was joking. clearly, his physical demeanor indicated there was no joke about the news he was delivering to me. >> you can see there is anguish on both of their faces. at that point, stacy, what is she going through, you are pregnant, but it is not our baby. >> this is one of those moments where you sort of replay everything that happened. she has to be wondering how she is going to deal with it, how she tells the kids she already has and what her future is going to hold. >> they have three other children. jennifer, a lot of people wondering how could this happen. we are not sure.
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there should be a consequence. what could it be for this fertility clinic. >> they are going to be on the hook for legal damages. i understand she is going to have a surrogate mother carry the other embryos and try to have another child. they'll probably have to pay for that and pay damages for what they did. this is a horrible mistake. they are in the business of transferring these embryos. this should have never happened. they should have the appropriate safeguards in place to prevent this from happening. they were in a lose/lose situation. if she terminated this pregnancy the other parents certainly would have sued the clinic, if they haven't already. they probably have a separate lawsuit pending against the clinic. they are in trouble. i wouldn't want to use them. >> as well they should be. more coming up, your facebook comments, phone calls. the number 1-877-tell-hln. stay with us.
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a family of five brutally killed in a tiny farm town. a mother, father, teenage brother and sister, baby brother, all dead. the only one to survive this horrific massacre is a 3-year-old little girl. what monster would wipe out a whole family? all those kids. a special needs boy ordered to strip at school down to his underwear then they locked him up in a tiny room. cinder block walls, door without a handle. the kid is not a criminal. he is 9. that is how we punish a special needs t-year-old? the number 1-877-tell-hln.
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e-mail us at cnn.com/primenews. your chance to be heard. welcome. this is hour number two of prime news. i'm mike galanos. we are dealing with an unthinkable massacre. an entire family of five killed in their quiet farm town, 140 miles southwest of chicago. raymond, ruth, austin, justina, dillen. they did their homework before school. so tragic. still the question remains, who could have done this? >> leads have been developed and are being vigorously pursued. this was a brutal homicide against an entire family and we are determined to identify and
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arrest those responsible. >> all right. we'll take your calls with your theories, questions. 1-877-tell-hln. joining us, hln law enforcement analyst mike brooks and jody duncan, a postmaster in the town of bison, illinois. knew the family and kids. you have to be heartbroken. >> unbelievable. in disbelief. sick to my stomach. jodie, how well you knew the kids? describe how you interacted with them? >> the kids caught the bus in front of the post office. the post office is a safe and a halfen. justina is a sophomore at the high school. very kindhearted. dillen, all boy. he wrestled for the junior high. he was excited about this year, hoping he would make it to the
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state to go to state and win a medal at junior high for wrestling. every morning he did his homework in the lobby of the post office. he said he could do it better in the morning while he's at the post office. they are great, great kids, sweet kits, always very kind. hi miss jodie. hi miss duncan. they come in and get candy. we kept candy at the post office for them. >> for you to know them, but for this to happen in a town like this, when you talk about term safe haven, makes it that much worse. >> shocking and disbelief. who would want to hurt a child? it is really sad. it gives you an eerie feeling. every morning when i get to work
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they are there waiting for the bus. this morning i pull up and i just started crying because they wasn't there. >> i'm sure. >> what is the feeling in the town, in the area right now as we know a killer is on the loose? >> real somber and quiet. today at the church at 2:00 there was a prayer service there and stuff. so that helped a little bit. you know, but you don't want a community to come together just because of something like this. community has always been close nit, really close, everybody knows everybody's kids. >> jodie, did the family have enmys? do you have any idea who could have done this? >> i have no idea. none whatsoever. let's bring in mike brooks. where do we begin? we hear from jodie. knew the family. >> the whole thing is what is the motive for this.
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jodie said there is no other  business in the town. i doubt they have surveillance like you would in other communities. the father was a contractor. was there an issue with someone who was doing work for him? was it an issue with school? first i think about murder/suicide. law enforcement is saying no. they want to bring the person or persons responsible but they are not giving out much information. i can guarantee there is probably a good amount of evidence in that house. where were the bodies found? there were evidence markers on this house. did it happen inside? we don't know. right now they are not saying if it was one person or more than one person responsible for the shootings. >> let's go back to jodie duncan, knew the family, knew the kids. what are law enforcement telling
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you the community? are they telling people to stay home, stay inside? there is a killer on the loose or are we not to that point. >> not a whole lot right now. not a whole lot. everybody is watching out for each other right now. >> mike, what do you tell a community like this who is saddened, shocked and somewhat on edge. >> a community like this, they probably leave their doors unlocked. right now you've got to keep your doors locked, make sure your kids get to school, take them to the school bus. if you look at a murder like this where someone kills a whole family. what is the reason for that? usually is they don't want any witnesses. is this because the family knew the killer. that is a good possibility. this is a small town, a random act of violence? someone just coming through? i seriously doubt it. probably someone the family had contact with before. as an investigator that would be
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the first thing that would come to mind to me. >> okay. we'll keep following this. jodie duncan, we are sorry for your loss. thanks for sharing your story and your thoughts. coming up, this one is heartbreaking. take a look at this room here. this is an isolation room a special needs 9-year-old was put in there and stripped to his underwear. that's how we're treating our kids? ppp@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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welcome back to prime news on hln. unbelievable what happened to one mom and dad. taking baby bath time photos. little girls getting out of the bathtub. a walmart worker flagged it,
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sent it to child protective services. the kids were taken away. mom and dad charged as sex offenders. the family is suing. call in 1-877-tell-hln is the number. feel free to chime in on this one as well. it is horrific. stripped down to the underwear, locked up in a dark room. we are not talking about a jail inmate. this is what a mom says happened to her 9-year-old in school. look at this room, looks like a prison cell, cement floor, cinder block walls. the seclusion room at joseph brown elementary school columbia, tennessee. mom says her special needs chil@ was forced to stand on a black "x" on the floor. that is how you discipline this guy who is 9. the boy's mom michelle parks and
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her attorney. take us back. give us the specifics of what happened that day? >> i was called to the school to come pick up my son that was having a disruptive day in the classroom. didn't want to do any work, didn't want to listen and follow any rules that the teacher had. suspended him for two days out of school. when i arrived upon the school to find my son locked in this room in his underwear. >> michelle, i couldn't imagine, being a father myself, to find one of my sons in that state. i'm sure -- what was his condition when you saw him? i'm sure he was upset and beside himself? >> he was upset, bad. my son suffers from odd, opposite defiant disorder. he stays angry. which we are working with him to correct this and i thought the school was there to help.
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>> so everybody has an understanding, your son is adhd, right? >> yes. >> odd, oppositional defines disorder. has a problem with authority or authority figures. >> a problem with authority, being told what to do. >> he is a handful in class. >> oh, yes, he can be. >> the school knows that. >> yes. >> what kind of dialogue are you having with them? >> me and his teacher, miss walker, would talk every day. >> every day. was this the first time he was put in this room? >> no, sir. >> they told you he was in there. >> no, sir. i was told it was a time-out room, a calming room to calm him down. i didn't realize the room was to the extent until i arrived at the school and go see. >> that is what they are calling
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a calming room? >> yes. >> let me bring in your attorney, kevin, i gather it is legal to have an isolation room in emergency situations? right? >> yeah, mike. >> where does the school go wrong here? stripping the poor guy down to his underwear, but what else. >> i think the stripping to the underwear may be a separate issue. within the special education isolation restraint modernization positive behavioral supports act which was codified into statute in our state there are certain things the school would have to do prior to putting anyone in an isolation room. we think this doesn't fit the statutory definition of an isolation room. the statute proscribes putting anyone in a locked room. this door doesn't have a handle on the inside. if someone is in it, they are locked in. it is not to be used for
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punishment, coercion, retaliation, where a specially trained administrator can bring a student with problems, bring them into the room and calm them down. >> okay. the day it happened, michelle, what had he done to deserve this? >> he didn't want to participate in class with any of his work. >> had he kicked the teacher and been verbally abusive? >> yes. >> help me out kevin. you could say that is for public safety you have to take this 9-year-old and get him away from everybody.@@ but it is what happens next. from that same statute you are reading from, i want to read this, school personnel shall remain in the physical presence of any restrained student and shall continuously observe a student in isolation to monitor the health and well being. first off, were they monitoring your son or not?
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>> there was a sheet over the window and the teachers were standing outside the door when i arrived. >> so they couldn't have seen? >> no. >> kevin, an infraction there. they are not in the room, number two, they there is a cloth over the window. >> mike that is probably some of the most troubling information we have received so far. we are still trying to investigate this. >> we put in a call to the school. didn't get back to us. so we'll continue this conversation. we'll take your calls, comments, questions, 1-877-tell-hln. [dejectedly] oh. [screeching] [barks] (man) if you think about it, this is what makes the ladders different from other job-search sites. [screeching] we only work with the big talent. [all coughing] welcome to the ladders-- a premium job site for only $100k-plus jobs and only $100k-plus talent.
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get 40% off this bonded leather sofa, just $299, with very cool styling and so affordable. at 40% off, just $299. from jennifer. we are continuing our conversation of a 9-year-old special needs student who was put in ecollusion. doesn't that look like a jail cell? he had to strip doub to his
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underwear the school said for his own protection. he had to stand on a black "x." we have the little guy's mom with us and her attorney. julie in oklahoma. your thoughts. >> caller: i want to applaud the parents for being so calm. i don't think i could be that calm. i have 11-year-old twin daughters and i have a letter that says they are not allowed to punish my child without me being there. they should have called the parents. i understand she is at work. the number one priority is our children. i'm getting chills because there is so much these schools are not doing. >> michelle, what kind of an agreement did you have. we established your little guy could be a challenge in the courtroom. did you have an understanding with the teacher. >> we have an iep into play
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which my attorney is looking into. >> what does that mean. >> an individual education program that is required. this punishment should have been in the iep and signed off on the parent. >> so did you have anything? what specifically if he did act out could you do? >> we are looking trying to get the information. we believe the last iep was done december of last year and didn't contain language. >> the iep is ongoing. this is where we are trying to meet his needs and goals. is that basically it? >> right. >> michelle, are you working with the school or is all communication cut off? >> it is pretty much cut off. >> do you want him to go back to that school or do you want him to go elsewhere. >> it is hard right now. i don't know. i'm trying to get my thoughts straight. i'm trying to get the best education i can for my son.
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so i don't know right this second. >> he had an appointment with a psychologist that recommended he not go back. it might be more detrimental and traumatic for him. we've secured an injunction, temporary injunction against the school from using this room for any purpose and stripping this child's clothing until we can have a hearing to determine how far they strayed from the statu statute. >> michelle, how is he doing? >> he is fine. i spent the day with him. we had burger king and doctors visits. we had a good day. just scared. just scared he was going to have to go back there and excited i might be making oh arrangements. >> he doesn't want to go back to that school? >> no, sir. >> doesn't miss his friends. >> no, sir.
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>> you thought you had a good working relationship with the school? >> this is where it gets hard. i thought me and his teacher was on the level that we were making this better. jacob would come home telling me stuff that was happening during the day and i pretty much thought it was him not wanting to go to school. >> so he gave you a few warning signs and you thought just a 9-year-old talking. >> yeah. >> his dad is in the service, right? >> his dad is in iraq, yes. >> which makes it more difficult you have to bear this load. >> yes, sir. >> michelle, thanks for joining us, for sharing your story, your heart. these stories we have to get out there. you are not the only parent dealing with this. we want to make sure our schools are helping us not detrimental to our little guys. kevin, thank you as well. more "prime news" coming up. stay with us. >> thank you. @%@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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this one just floors me. nearly every mom and dad in america have the cute bath time photos of their little kids. of course they are naked. they are in the bathtub. folks at one arizona walmart said the bath time photos showed too much. next thing you know, child services take away three girls, mom and dad labeled sex @@ offenders, mom suspended from her work. a month later the judge ruled the photos harmless. >> here we were forced to sit and watch helplessly as they ripped our crying screaming
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terrified children away from us. >> we now realize how much control the state has and they can pull any one of your children out of your home right@ now. >> that can make all parents stop and think. taking your calls, 1-877-tell-hln. joining me the little one's grandma, jeany stump and the family attorney dick treon. when did they find out they were in trouble? >> when the police showed up, four officers showed up at their door on a saturday morning to talk to them. asked if they could come in. they had no idea why the police were there. invited them in. they had nothing to hide. started questioning about the photos. they admitted they had taken them. the next thing they knew they were taking the children away
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for sexual exams and forensic interviews. they couldn't believe it. they could not believe that was happening. the kids were frightened. it was terrible. then the kids were returned to them later that afternoon. cps returned them. they had them for four hours. they were told, oh, i'm sorry, they were told to leave their home so they could do a search warrant. the police took every photo out of their home, every camera, every computer, totally destroyed their home and called them at 7:00 p.m. and said you can come home now. when they got home they thought the nightmare was over but it just begun. they told them we are taking your children. this was after a family member had been there and said, no, i'm family. i will take the children. that was earlier and again at 7:00, he was on the phone, saying i'm one mile away. i'll come get your children. >> all in one day, no advance warning, took the kids away for
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examinations, later that night they find out -- they had to go to foster care for a couple of days. how did the little ones handle that? >> they were frightened to death. as they described in their local press conference. it was horrible. they didn't know where they were going. mommy and daddy didn't know where they were going. it was gut wrenching. we didn't know where our children were, my grandchildren. it was very scary. >> how were they then -- you took custody there. they were away from mom and dad for a month. how tough was that for the little ones? >> it was very tough. we only got custody of them because of a lawyer friend who interceded on our behalf and put in a call to a governor's office. otherwise we wouldn't have had the children even within the three days. they would have delayed it longer. he had someone he knew which enabled us to get the children
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back by september 2nd. >> i mean, if we stop and a 5-year-old, a 4-year-old, an 18-month-old. mom and dad is their whole world. the statement from the city and dick i will get you in on the conversation. the city is aware of the accusations. the fact is when we are contacted about children who may be at risk we investigate. the city stands behind the appropriate actions of our officers. the city will vigorously defend against these accusations. they are standing their ground. a 57-page report. they are using terms like child erotica, provocative poses. what is your response? what is going on with these pictures. >> i hope you have shown the viewers the four pictures we sent you the kids in bath towels with their father. those are the exemplar we are showing as to the criteria that the detective who was in charge of this was utilizing and
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deciding what is child pornography and child erotica. >> wait a minute. the picture of the little one with dad is child erotica? >> that is what he said.ñ >> we cannot show you the other photos that show nudity because we would subject ourselves to being arrested. despite the fact a superior court judge in arizona said these are innocent photos, a child advocate said they are innocent photos and an expert stipulated by the state said these are innocent child photos, the city of peoria still continues to harm the people because they put the report in response to our coming forward and the descriptions of this detective who has absolutely no training, no expertise whatsoever in determining what is child pornography or erotica or what they really charged was sexual exploitation. the parents took these pictures of the children for the purpose of stimulating the sexual
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interest of the viewer. >> i know dick, time is ticking. you are filing a defamation lawsuit against the city and against walmart. because, what, help us out with the walmart suit. >> walmart suit is based on consumer fraud. they are taking the money from the customer. they can't deceive you. they have to tell you we are going to be the censure of your pictures. if we don't like them we are going to take them to the cops. >> the statement from walmart, we recognize this is an emotional situation for everyone involved. what happened here is sensitive. by arizona law it was our obligation to report and let the authorities decide whether to investigate. >> not true. >> that is their statement. but you are saying what they are saying is wrong. >> they are not obligated to report them. they have the voluntary right to do that. they have immunities if they do in good faith produce photos. not mandatory reporters like a physician or a teacher or something like that.
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>> right. these aren't trained people. >> not at all. >> real quick, jeany, how is the family how are the little girls? happy, i'm sure. are they still feeling the effects of this? >> they are very happy to be home. it is great to have them home. do they still feel the effects? yes. we hear snippets that let us know. >> left a scar. thanks, we will continue our conversation. we take your calls at 1-877-tell-hln. m ic] [screeching] [dejectedly] oh. [screeching] [barks] (man) if you think about it, this is what makes the ladders different from other job-search sites. [screeching] we only work with the big talent. [all coughing] welcome to the ladders-- a premium job site for only $100k-plus jobs
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welcome back to "prime news" on hln. a family taking innocent bath time pictures, toddler girls in the tub. yeah. there are a few naked shots.
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walmart employee didn't like what he saw. calls the authorities. authorities call child protective services next thing you know these kids are taken from mom and dad. mitchell is with us in florida. go ahead. >> caller: hi, mike. i think the statement from walmart is pathetic. more so, how does somebody from child protective services not look at these pictures and say to themselves, hey, wait, this is just innocent. this is kind of like a family tradition. >> millions of families, they have that shot. there are shots of me, you, your kids. mitchell, thanks for the call. jennifer brandt, mike brooks is with us, too. what could have child protective services been thinking. this is a mom and dad, no history of abuse. >> i put the blame totally on child protective services.
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they are the professionals here. they should be able to distinguish between innocent family photos and those of a predator. they could have dissolved the situation and going to the house and seeing what the family is about, talking to relatives, friends, neighbors. this could have been done with in a matter of an hour. they carried it on. they took these children away. >> in one day. >> an extreme measure. >> the grandmother said it happened in one day. they show up and a few hours later the kids are gone. >> then they kept the children out of the parents custody for a month. that is extreme when you don't have any proof these people did anything. i'm sure if they talked to neighbors or school or friends or anybody else, any third party could have corroborated the parents' story. these are innocent people. they are a loving family and be done with this situation. >> let's get a call in. bobby in texas. go ahead.
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>> caller: yes, sir. i wanted to say that the walmarts in texas have a sign up that says they deem anything inappropriate, they will call the local authorities on you. >> so you've seen that sign out there plain and simple. real quick. jennifer, what about the case against walmart? do you think it is a good one that the sign wasn't out there? >> i do. that is one of the allegations they brought up in the lawsuit. there was no warning to the public that their photos could be taken. there should be some warning or notice that people have that maybe i better think about what i'm giving in to the store to process. if it is questionable you would know. >> kathleen in facebook, in this instance it is take on the an extreme. because of the horrible things that happen everything has to be investigated. >> as an investigator, what could they see.
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this photo with dad and the daughter was child erotica. what are they looking at? >> no. i have no idea what they are thinking. what kind of training do the people at walmart have? an 18-year-old kid? what were they thinking. i have no idea, but then if the cops, law enforcement said, well, wait a minute, this is child erotica. they had a search warrant. who signed the search warrant? it was a judge. was the judge going on the word of this officer or detective that had probably cause to think there might be other child erotica. they seized the computer and looked in the house. if there is someone dealing in child erotica you are going to find more on the computer that they would send out to other places. usually as a result of these cases you don't see it kept on one computer. they send it from one computer to another. and then the judge says oh, no, they were harmless. the child advocate says they are
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harmless. another child expert said they were harmless. what did this person at walmart, what kind of training. did this officer or detective have a case like this doesn't sound like it? >> guys we have to leave it there. jennifer, mike, appreciate it. new bombshell out in the anna nicole smith death a. pharmacist tried to warn people that there could be pharmaceutical suicide in the works here, so many drugs coming at the poor starlet. boss: so word's gettin' out that geico can help people save in even more ways - on motorcycle insurance, rv, camper, boat insurance. nice work, everyone. exec: well, it's easy for him. he's a cute little lizard. gecko: ah, gecko, actually - exec: with all due respect, if i was tiny and green and had a british accent i'd have more folks paying attention to me too... i mean - (faux english accent) "save money! pip pip cheerio!"
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welcome back. hln is excited to welcome joy behar. in today's moment of joy, she gives her opinion on spanking a child may have harmful, long
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lasting effects. >> you know, unless you are a professional kickboxer or traveling salesman with a fetish, there is no reason for an adult to engage in spanking. a new study says there are parents who are spanking a 1-year-old child. now what could a 1-year-old possibly do to deserve being spanked? come home drunk after a date? lose the family fortune playing the ponies? start a war under false pretenses in pi my opinion, there is nothing a child can do that warrants parents spanking them. young children pea, poop, cry and throw food. okay. so does my uncle louis at the olive garden. but that is another story because he drinks. but that is the children's jobs. the philosophy rene decart, i dated him, he didn't say i spank therefore i am. he say i think therefore i am.
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when your canneds start carrying on and screaming and yelling and driving them crazy don't lift your hand to them. lift your mind. think it threw. spanking your children will not make them love and respect you, it will make them fear and respect you? do you want to be a parent or a network executive i believe spanking is abuse. hopefully that is not just me. >> "the joy behar show" premiers tuesday at account p.m. check it out at cnn/joy. new revelations concerning the late anna nicole smith. pharmacists warned her doctors months before her death, too many drugs in her midst. i want to bring in jane velez-mitchell, "issues" coming your way in ten minutes. >> there are two doctor
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involved, sandy kapur and the psychiatrist. it is my belief that the psychiatrist who was accused of trying to these prescriptions five days after anna nicole smith's passed away and so the list is so long i have to read it to you. two sedatives. muscle relaxants. antiinflam atories and something called hospital heroin. the pharmacists who apparent low got this order who said this is pharmaceutical suicide. so it's not clear and i don't think that those remember actually dispensed. thank god. but ultimately anna nicole smith obviously did pass away from an overdose. the most shocking thing to come out of all these documents is that apparently investigators believe there was sexual contact between the female shrink and anna nicole smith. they claim they have a photograph, which i have not seen, in the court documents of the two of them naked and
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embracing in some sort of tub, perhaps a hot tub. now interestingly enough, they also, investigators claim, sexual contact between dr. saeed cupar and anna nicole smith. we called dr. cup aa's attorney. he is openly gay and he did not have a social relationship with her either. so we're going to debate all of this tonight on "issues" beginning in just a couple of minutes because there is a photo of dr. kupar shirtless with anna nicole but that doesn't necessarily mean sexual contact, however it does cross the line when you are a doctor you shouldn't be shirtless with your patient. >> yeah it would certainly seem. jane, watching nuz in less than ten minutes. jane, good talking to you. coming up in the show john travolta i couldn't imagine what he's going through, back in the bahamas to in the an extortion trial. ÷
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tonight, was somebody trying to cash in on the travolta family tragedy in dark days following jett travolta's heartbreaking death. two people are accused trying to extort $25 million from his dad. hollywood megastar john travolta. one of the accused is actually a senator in the bahamas. now the trial has begun and travolta has returned to an enchanted island that turned hellish. will he become the star witness? and cold-blooded murder. a father is accused of slitting the throats of his wife and five young children. then fleeing the country. cops arrested this guy in haiti. he says he had plans to surrender and was just going to say good-bye to his family.
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cops aren't buying that story. now they're trying to bring him back to america to face justice in a case police are calling the most gruesome they've ever seen. also plaxico burress is head to the slammer. the nfl wide receiver accidentally shot himself in the leg at a new york nightclub. now he's going to prison for two years. tonight's big issue, in this country, athletes get less time for killing people. so why did this superstar get the book thrown at him? and is it fair? plus, shocking new claims that anna nicole smith was prescribed a pharmaceutical suicide, according to court documents. her psychiatrist supplied smith with two sedatives, 300 tablets of methadone and four bottles of painkillers and that's just the beginning. this woman is also accused of having improper sexual contact with anna nicole and apparently there's pictures of these two naked and touching each other in the bathtub. "issues" starts now!
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tonight, an outrageous and despicable act. was a grieving john travolta the victim of attempted blackmail? that question being put to the test before a jury in the bahamas. that's where two alleged extortionists are on trial accused of trying to squeeze $25 million bugs from the superstar. 16-year-old jett who surfrefd medical problems died tragically last january at a resort in the bahamas after suffering a seizure. now the ambulance driver, tarino lightbourne and former bohemian senator, that's right, senator, pleasant bridgewater are in hot water. prosecutors say they threatened to release to the public a refusal to transport document. now, this is a form typically signed when an ambulance has refused. but guess what, the travoltas reportedly did put jett in the ambulance and they even rode with him. something doesn't add up here, people. meantime, reports are john travolta is on the ground in the
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bahamas set to testify as the star witness. here is what one of the defense attorneys said about that to abc news. >> he has to be -- he has to come to give evidence. >> reporter:. >> y does he have to be. >> without him then the prosecution cannot get off of the ground because he's a complaintant. >> tmz reporting tonight both defendants have pleaded, "100% not guilty." wait a second, wait, isn't that the line o.j. simpson made famous? and tonight's big issue, is it open season on celebrities at their most vulnerable? i want to hear from you. straight straight out to my fantastic expert panel, stacey honowi honowitz, supervisor of the sex crimes unit in florida's prosecution office. darren kavinoky, criminal defense attorney, aka the voice of reason. bryan russell, attorney and forensic psychologist. 2-for-1 offer there. donald clark, former fbi special agent in charge. and the one and only harvey levin, executive producer of tmz, my former boss and dear
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friend, harvey, you're a busy man. thank you for joining us tonight. this is such a bizarre case. what exactly are these defendants accused of doing? >> well, it is bizarre, jane. because the basis of the alleged extortion is almost irrelevant in the case. what happened was this. john travolta's son was laying dying basically in the bathroom of this vacation home. when they found him one of the defendants, the paramedic showed up, lightbourne and then john travolta and lightbourne are in the ambulance. and travolta's thinking i can get to the airport and make it to miami faster and get better medical care than if i go to the hospital in the bahamas. lightbourne of theed him to sign this document that basically said if you don't go to the hospital, all of the medical professionals are relieved of liability. that's what they need to get signed. ultimately, travolta decided to take jett to the hospital. so the document became really
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irrelevant. but the allegation is that lightbourne and pleasant bridgewater the former senator conspired together to say to john travolta, look, if you don't give us $25 million, we're going public with this document. it is bizarre on -- and that is why they are on trial. >> yeah, because why would anybody pay 25 cents, much less $25 million, for this document which doesn't seem that incriminating? however, after jett's death of a bohemian friend of the travoltas spoke out about his son jett's love. >> john travolta knew his son was a special child and he nurtured their relationship. he gave him love, demonstrated publicly at all times. >> so, harvey, clearly john and kelly travolta were always devoted to their son. that's certainly not a dispute. but back in january, "people" magazine covered what they called, "longstanding questions
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surrounding jett's health." the issue was whether the child suffered from this rare kawasaki disease. and a question as to whether jett may be left unsupervised when he had the delayed seizeaur. saying two nannies within the entire evening and he was spectacular supervised but my question to you, harvey, do prosecutors believe those controversies had something to do with this alleged blackmail scheme, perhaps giving someone an idea that there were something there to capitalize on? >> well, they would -- if they really had that idea they would have gone for that rather than an irrelevant document. look, john travolta is going to testify about two things. one, his interaction with on -- help me out, jane, the paramedic. >> tarino lightbourne. >> lightbourne, right. his interaction with lightbourne during the ambulance ride and while they were at the house. that's one thing he's going to testify to. the second thing is the
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heartstrings of the case, which is his reaction to the extortion. he never spoke directly with anybody who made the alleged extortion demand but his reaction is going to become relevant in the case. we know that's what the prosecutors are going on ask him about. and that reaction is going to have an emotional impact on this jury. they're not going to get into the kind of treatment, the kind of disease, that's all irrelevant. what's going to be relevant is how john travolta reacted to all of this and that could be a huge turning point in this trial. >> and final question, when is he expected to take the stand? >> well, we're told it could be tomorrow. it could be tomorrow or the next day. my hunch is tomorrow is the day because he flew there and i don't think he wants to hang out there necessarily. . by the way, kelly preston is not going to testify. but my hunch is it's going to happen tomorrow. >> all right, well, harvey, thanks so much for bringing us up to date. you're always on top of these cases.
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this one's no exception. and great job. >> thanks, jane. >> now -- talk to you soon. tonight's big issue. is it open season on celebrities? and is it being waged by, let's face it, harvey's got to go because he's a busy guy. he's running that tmz show, so when you see him taking off his mike that's because he's got a lot of other jobs to do. is this war on celebrities being waged by nut jobs looking to make a buck off of celebrities in times when they're most vulnerable? if the allegations against the two defendants in the travolta case are true, it's horrific, but it wouldn't be the first time. remember sarah jessica parker and her husband matthew broderick were alleged victims of bottlefeeders. their home of their baby surrogate were burglarized. the accused criminals were a pair of police chiefs who allegedly tried to sell some of the woman's items, the surrogate's clothes -- it's just crazy. both of them denied the charges. and then of course our favorite example, the poor jackson kids in the wake of their dad's death. there's a steady stream of
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weirdos, wacko, wanna-bes trying to claim biological parenthood. so my question, brian russell, you are the psychologist. have these celebrities now become magnets for the lowest common denominator of society? people who can profit? >> absolutely, i think so. and i think, jane, if we pulled our viewers and we asked them to rank the seriousness of certain crimes, blackmail or extortion may not rank that highly on the list, but psychologically and it should and here's why. these things are always premeditated. there's no spur-of-the moment, heat of passion, anything like that. they're always nothing but a cold-hearted attempt to profit off of somebody else's pain or embarrassment. there's no insanity, these perpetrators always know exactly what they're doing and so the person who would do that is actually a more dangerous person than you might otherwise think, which means that they -- we ought to come down hard or them as a society than we usually do.
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>> yes, stacy, stacy, stacey honowitz. >> i think the most disgusting part of this case is that john travolta allegedly had a relationship with one of the defendants. so it's not only somebody that's trying to extort a celebrity out of a lot of money at the most vulnerable time, horrible, grieving time in his life, but this was a supposed friend of his that was doing it. so that just adds insult to injury and makes it even more despicable of a crime. >> i don't know why any of us should be surprised about this. the fact of the matter is that there is no shortage of people demonstrating poor judgment in all of their affairs and that's what keeps some of us that are in the business of, say, criminal defense or mental health fully omployed. so i think we're going to see this and continue to see it, and of course in the case of celebrities, it's just a much more public opportunity for these kinds of bottom-feeding individuals and of course i am for one, am completely shocked, that there would be a bohemian
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political official involved in something like this. perhaps they'll have rod blagojevich as a character witness orring. >> a bohemian official involved in the anna nicole scandal, remember that, in bed. >> that was sarcasm, by the way. that was supposed to be sarcasm, for the record. >> we should have a sign that says "being sarcastic now." clark? >> i am going to say i was not surprised by that. and usually in many of these cases that i've been personally involved in that it's someone is close to the victim in this that finds some way to try to extort them, either by using somebody else or another system orring. >> you are so right. >> they really try to go after. >> you are so right. i had my edentity stolen. it was somebody i went to high school. how do you like that? more on the john travolta extortion case in a moment and also taking your calls on this, 1-877-jvm-says. that's 1-877 -586-7297.
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this guy had a history of domestic violence. amazingly the victim's family, not shocked that this happened. not shocked. could these killings had been prevented? but first did two people try on cash in on jett travolta's death. a family friend who actually the horrific task of escorting john travolta to the morgue back in january. >> his words were, that is my son. and then he asked for some @p moments, he and his wife, to spend with jett.t and they stayed more for several hours. did you see that? the interior "positively oozes class," raves "car magazine." "slick and sensuous," boasts "the washington times." "the most striking vw in recent memory," declares-- okay, i get it already. i think we were in a car commercial. ♪ yeah ♪ yeah.
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>> i probably cried harder and heavier than i have ever cried in my life. i didn't know what i was going to do because i never felt that level of love for another human being. and there it was, my baby, my son, 2 1/2 and it can't be. i can handle death. i can handle people dying but my baby, the thought of that was just, forget it. >> that was john travolta talking to abc news back in 2001 when his son jett died this past jrng the network played clips of
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that interview during "good morning america," totally heartbreaking. aside from a family appearance at the open of the movie "old dogs" in which john starred alongside his daughter ella blue, the travoltas have kept a very low profile. we'll talk about that they moment but first phone lines lighting up on this one. diane, mississippi. your question or thought, ma'am? >> caller: jane -- >> yes. >> caller: -- thank you for taking my call. and i gist want to say i had a 19-year-old son that passed away and this just absolutely makes me livid that anyone would stoop to this to hurt john and his wife and family any longer, and i would like to say thank you and your staff for the work you're doing for women and children that are abused. and god bless you. >> thank you so much, diane. and my condolences over your loss. that's something that nobody ever gets out of. >> caller: you never get over it. >> you never get over it?
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>> caller: no like i said my son's 40th birthday yesterday and some days it was just like it was yesterday and other days it is like a hundred years and for these people to do john and his family like this, they should be hung. >> and i have to say, dawn clark, what adds insult to injury is this -- this whole area was a place that they considered their retreat. they would go there, the travoltas, year after year. they had about, what, 50 people there with them when this tragedy occurred. they were having a huge party there. they had made friends there. they considered this their home away from home and then when something like this happens it's even more devastating. so i would like to debate the issue, should john travolta have move forward with this criminal case? or is it reopening an old wound? what do you think, don? >> really well i really think that you cannot let criminals get away with these blatant type of crimes and if you let get away with, it will never go away. they'll come back at you some
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other way jane. so it's a tough time for them. i really feel badly for them but i think if they've got the evidence, if they've got the taped conversations, they can be authenticated i think they ought to move forward with it, and maybe this will send a signal to the next person that may be i shouldn't. >> absolutely, you're not going to get behavior to stop if you make it easier to do. >> yeah, it's important to note. and this actually cuts both ways portfolio i've seen it with victims who participated in a trial and for them it can be a very therapeutic thing, to actually be there in a public place in open court and point the accusatory finger at somebody that did them wrong or they believed did them wrong. and on the other side of it, it does happen that defendants are falsely accused of crimes. >> let me jump in here, though. here's the thing, john travolta is a superstar. he's going to attract controversy. we have to recap and review all of the controversy surrounding what was his son really suffering from to put this are? context. isn't he opening up a pandora's box, stacey honowitz, by
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pursuing this criminal investigation? because if he dropped out, would they really have the goods to do it? >> listen i think it's very personal and i think that nobody, none of us can judge as to what his actions are, how he's feeling at the moment. if he didn't think he was up to it, if he didn't think he could go and reopen everything, he knows he's a public figure, he knows it's been all over the news. i don't think if he thought he could handle it, he would have never gone through with it. so while it is opening old wounds and it might be very difficult, as darren said, it might be therapeutic for him, and maybe he knows that if i step forward and i set an example and i show people that they can't get away with it, then it won't happen to somebody else. >> yes, stacey's exactly right. stacey's exactly right. for some people it is therapeutic and this guy's been in the public eye for a long time. i would say he can handle it and i admire him because i think he probably looks at himself, i them in a position to make something like this and hopefully it will reverberate
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out and deter other people. >> and for the rest of his life he is going to than when push came to shove and although difficult, he stood up. he did the right thing and he won't have to carry around that emotional baggage if only i would have done something differently especially if the case would be dismissed or these folks or others vindicated. >> don clark, why would these people allegedly concoct this ridiculous scheme that doesn't make sense? >> yeah, a lot of them done but it's all about greed. it's all about greed. they say, they think that john has whatever amount of money and wealth that he may have and that they can get some without working for it. that's what it is all about. that's what all extortionists are all about. they are about, i can make better use of this. i can figure out a way to take your money without doing anything and i can get away with it and that's point we don't want to happen here. i hope john feels that way, that they can get away with it because they have to get the evidence lined up right and i really hope that the bohemians
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do it right. if they're going to prosecute this case. and convict these people. >> so far, so good. thank you, fantastic panel. we got to leave it right there. up next, an nfl superstar heading to prison. it seems like most athletes walk. why is he getting so harshly punished?
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breaking news tonight in the horrific deaths of a mother and her five children. her husband has confessed to slitting all of their throats inside their florida home. that's the latest from haiti. where mesac damas flew after the murders. he told "evil thing made him butcher his wife and kids one by one." six in all. five kids and a mother. police charged him with six counts of premeditated murder. they're trying to get him exindicted back to the united states. the victim's relatives are in agony but get this they don't sound very surprised to hear what damas is accused of.
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listen to the victim's niece and brother. >> he always said he was going to kill her. always abused her and her kids. >> she was all by her family, all by her kids, waiting for her kids. that was her main priority. i know he did this. i don't think i know. >> they do not sound surprised. did anyone enter demmas family and try to intervene? here she is in january after her husband attacked her. look at that, are there bruises. he was arrested. didn't serve anytime at all but days before it family was slaughtered child welfare workers checked up on them. found nothing wrong. could more had been done to protect this family from this monster? back with attorney and forensic psychologist brian russel. what's so shocking to me, brian, is the family's reaction. they are not shocked. what does that tell you? >> well, i think that it's pretty clear that there was a history of some kind of domestic
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disturbances in this family, and it just underscores what you and i are always saying when we cover these things, which is you've got get yourself and especially your kids away from people at the very first signs of violence. because it typically continues and it typically escalates. >> it's just -- i mean, my mind is not able to get around the concept that all these children were looking at their dad and dead and their throats are slit one by one. imagine what one was thinking watching the others get killed knowing that they were probably next. it's just beyond comprehension. >> it's horrific and i think most of our viewers watching this cover the story tonight are thinking, gosh, you know, i almost wish there were some kind of insanity. some kind of a disorder. something that somebody would have to be laboring under to do something like this, but the flight after the fact to haiti suggests clear consciousness to guilt. >> all right i want to jump and get on this. ironically, this family was on law enforcement's radar.
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are there domestic violence reports dating back to 2000. the most recent was filed in january after he assaulted his wife. here you can see she's got a swollen eye and bruises on her neck. listen to what cops say about that attack. >> in january of this year, he was arrested for a simple battery -- or misdemeanor battery against the female that we found deceased in the apartment. he pled no contest to it in june. >> have go guilt? >> i do not believe so other than the initial arrest. >> brian, final thoughts, what can we learn from this? >> well, i think what we may be seeing in this case is -- because you pointed out the other night which was an excellent point that a lot of these kids were born apparently after there had been some violent incidents. >> yes. >> and what that says is a lot of times these women are thinking, not so much about the best interest of their kid but in their own twisted way their needs for the chaotic relationship and this is what come of that. >> leave is t there, brian. up next, plaxico burress behind
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bars. the nfl superstar was sentenced to two years. we're going to talk about it next.
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plaxico burress headed to the slammer p the nfl wide receiver accidentally shot himself in the leg at a new york nightclub. now he's going to prison for two years. tonight's big issue, in this country athletes get less time for killing people. so why did this superstar get the book thrown at him? is it fair? plus, shocking new claims that anna nicole smith was prescribed a pharmaceutical suicide, according to court documents, her psychiatrist supplied smith with two sedatives, 300 tablet was methadone and four bottles of painkillers, and that's just the beginning. millions of dollars, celebrities
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status, and a high-priced attorney -- not enough to keep plaxico burress out of prison. the new york giant star is behind bars tonight, as we speak, as he begins to serve two years in prison. burress accidentally shot himself in the leg inside a new york nightclub last year. he pleaded guilty to a weapons charge last month. you know we're so used to hearing about rich pro athletes getting off easy for crimes that are a whole lot more serious than this one. we're going to get some of those classic cases in just a moment. here's tonight's "big issue," people, did burress get a fair sentence, or did the judge and the d.a. make an example out of this guy? i mean, after all, he shot himself by accident. i'm all for rules for long offer, tough punishment, but this seems like overkill to me. back to my fantastic panel. don clark, i don't get it. apparently there were
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negotiations between burress and the manhattan d.a.'s office. the d.a. insisted on jail time. burress took the risk of testifying before the grand jury and an indictment came back and all of a sudden, wow, we've got him going away to the slammer for two long years as his wife is about to give birth to their second child. >> yeah, jane, you know what, i'm going to think that there's more to it here than you -- than what we see. i'm not very sympathetic here. because i bet you that there was a presentence investigation done. and we might find that during the course of that presentence investigation that there's been a lot of bad boy activity there. also, we all know, i've lived and worked in new york, and we all than new york has a very, very stiff gun law and if you don't abide by the rules there and you get caught and a lot don't but when you get caught you are usually going to pay for it. so based on that presentencing summary and investigation, that's probably why the judge went this hard on him.
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>> look, i want to debate this issue because i really don't buy it. let's face it, burress' sentence can seem harsh if you compare it to the ridiculously light punishments some other star athletes have gotten. we look no further than daunte stallworth of the cleveland browns, pleaded guilt nejune to dui manslaughter. he got trunk. he killed a man and served just one month in prison. to me that's outrageous. here's stallworth at his sentencing hearing. >> i accept full responsibility for this horrible tragedy. i assure you that this tragedy will continue to bear this burden for the rest of my life. >> and then there's leonard little in 1998 he drove drunk, ran a red light and killed another driver. he served 90 days in jail. that's it. fenito and little is still playing in the nfl. so stacey honowitz, where is the justice in all of this? burress' punishment, it seems like it could be a makeup call,
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as they say in sports, for these other lenient sentences. >> listen, jane, i think the most important thing that you and the viewers have to understand is this, when judges and d.a.'s get cases, we don't pick up the newspaper and look to see what donte' stallworth got or what an athlete got three years ago to draw comparison. we look at the case and the facts that are in front of us. and i agree with john. it hasn't been let out. we do not know but i bet there was a presentence investigation. there might had been some prior contacts with the law and this is a weapons charge where he took a loaded gun into a nightclub. he accidentally shot himself but that gun could have gone off and killed anybody in that club, so while we're sitting here today saying that the gun laws are too stiff or his sentence is too stiff we could be sitting here next week saying why did the glae oklahoma only get three days? every case is judged on its own merits and no d.a. in any state is sitting there and looking and comparing anybody else. >> right. >> and, jane --
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>> wait. >> all right, hold on. >> jump in here, jane. i know the fashion police in new york are very, very tough. but two years in jail just for wearing sweatpants to a club, it seems unseemly. >> yeah, i mean, basically it was an accident. he had the gun in his sweatpants. the gun fell and it accidentally discharged. he didn't shoot off the gun. >> i know. i was going for humor on that one. >> into a nightclub that gun could have dropped, spun and hit somebody and killed somebody else. >> that's exactly -- >> he accidentally shot himself. look at all of the facts. >> if you're afraid you're going out into a location if you have to take a gun, number one don't go and the type of money that this guy is making get yourself a bodyguard. why are you doing this? think. there is hist there i can tell you. >> >> brian russel, this is not a criminal. this is a person, as his attorney said, violated the law and essentially we're not
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sentencing him for a criminal act in the sense that he was trying to commit a crime of violence against another person. there's got to be a distinction there, brian. >> well, psychologically, just point out, we seem to see a lot of celebrity business, athletes, entertain ea disproportionate number of them in. really stupid trouble like this and part of the explanation for that is these people's talents are identified early in their lives and that the point people start to develop nothing but talent. not their mind, not their intelligence, nothing. so what you end up with are really stupid people with a lot of money and that is just almost a prescription for this kind of trouble. >> but there's a real political aspect to this case as well. and that's michael bloomberg and his campaign, which was very heavily weighted on this antigun thing. so it was really a bad case of timing and it was a bad location for this to take place. if this same incident took place in reporting jurisdictions, i suspect that you'd find a much less harsh sentence. >> well, that's all sooichl
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saying, stacey honowitz, is nothing happens in a vacuum. politics always plays a role and i applaud mayor bloomberg. i'm living near new york city. just a couple of block away from cnn headquarters, a woman was murdered. it's scary, okay? around the world it's scary but it's also scary in the city. i applaud these efforts to keep us safe. i want to stay safe. but my heart did go out to this man who made a horrible error of judgment but now he has to take his 2-year-old little boy and say, son, i will not see you for two long years and his wife has to give birth to a child without him there. >> jane -- >> jane, where do you draw the line? you could say that about so many people. i understand everything you're saying but you could say that about a million people. i stand in court every day and i watch people and say good-bye and wave good-bye to the little kids because they make a stupid mistake that happened to have been criminal so in this case, if you were standing in that club and god forbid a million
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times you got shot because he was stupid and brought a loaded weapon in, you wouldn't be saying he got such a light sentence. >> but see, stacey, no one did. he was stupid and shot himself. it was bad judgment but nobody else got shot. obviously do not want to encourage people bringing guns to clubs and only hurt himself and adding insult to injury unnecessarily. >> it's unfair but the way to fix the unfairness is to sentence those guys, as jane said, more harshly. not to sentence burress advice i agree. >> and i think that gun control is very important and i know it's not a popular position to take but i'm in favor of it because i've seen so many crimes where you take alcohol, you take rage, and you add guns and you've got death and often the people who die had nothing to do with that situation. thaip r you were that just at the wrong place at the wrong time so you change said my mind! all right? >> okay. >> you changed my mind. send him away to the slammer but i still feel sorry for him. i still think we have to have compassion. >> feel sorry for his family, jane. >> yeah i feel sorry for his family. i really do.
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thank you, fantastic panel, for your insights. we have an exciting edition to our primetime lineup coming your way next week. "the joy bear show" air every night at 9:00 p.m. eastern time right here on hln. a quick taste of what you will get. it's her "moment of joy" commentary. >> you know, unless you're a professional kick boxer or a traveling salesman with a fetish, there is no real reason for an adult to ever engage in spanking. a new study says there are actually parents who are spanking a 1-year-old child. now what could a 1-year-old possibly do to deserve being spanked? come home drunk after a date? lose the family fortune playing the ponies? start a war under false pretenses? in my opinion, there's nothing a child can do that warrants parent's spanking them. young children, pee, poop, cry and throw food. okay so does my ungsel louie at olive gard and it's and that's another story because he drinks
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but that's what children do that's their job and it's the parent's job to raise them, teach them right from wrong and commune dplat a manner that does not involve bruising physically or psychologically. the philosopher idated him. he didn't say i spank, therefore i am. he said, i think, therefore i am. so when your children start carrying on and screaming and yelling and driving you crazy, don't lift your hand to them. lift your mind. think it through. spanking your children won't make them love or respect you. it will make them fear and resent you. do you want to be a parent or a network executive? i believe that spanking is abuse. hopefully that's not just me. >> well done, "the joy bear show" starts tuesday september 29th at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on hln but you can check it out right now on cnn.com/joy. up next here on "issues", are cops look for more suspects in yale murder case? an update on the annie le investigation.
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and new shockers in the smyth. claims of pharmaceutical suicide and sexual contact between anna nicole and her female psychiatrist, stunning allegations. and we're taking your calls on this one. 1-877-jvm-says.ss 1- 1-877-586-7597. here you go. eleven sixteenths... (announcer) from designing some of the world's cleanest and most fuel-efficient jet engines... to building more wind turbines than anyone in the country... the people of ge are working together... creating innovation today for america's tomorrow. thanks! no problem!
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did smyth's doctor attempt to prescribe her a deadly dosage prescription drugs just days after her son's death? what about claims the late model had improper sexual contact with her doctors? all of that in justice a moment. but first "to the block" tonight. jonathan widawsky the heartbroken fiance of the
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murdered yale grad student was seen leaving his long islands home yesterday wearing what would had been his wedding ring. ane le widawsky was set to wed the very day that her decomposing body was found stuffed behind a wall. as her loved ones plan her funeral, cops announced no other arrests are expected in this case. they believe lab techie raymond clark acted alone, when he allegedly strangled the 24-year-old. and police are now disputing claims that clark, "broke the bones and mangled the body of a strangled yale graduate student to fit it through a wall." le's memorial and burial are set for saturday near her family's home in california. what a terrible tragedy. that is tonight requestst top of the block." brand-new court documents just unsealed. whoa! inside imean, shocking new details about anna nicole smith's death. investigators called the star a drugseeker, yeah, we knew that,
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and say multiple pharmacists warned anna nicole's doctors, if you give her all these drugs, she will die. after anna's son died, her psychiatrist, christina eroshevich allegedly wrote prescriptions for a boatload of drugs. one nicknamed hospital heroin paperpharmacist says he saw this list and said, no way. he refused to fill the scrips calling it pharmaceutical suicide. he says he thought to himself, they are going to kill her. anna's shrink also aemgdly got her hands on chlorohydrate to help anna sleep. another pharmacist warned, i wouldn't give her that unless you want your picture on the front page of "the national enquirer." the infamous blond battled drugs long before her son's death. this disturbing video shows a pregnant anna completely out of it. >> i bet this is worth money. >> why?
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>> did everybody surrounding this addict enable her to die? scandalous new claims inside these new documents that anna nicole had, are you sitting down, sexual contact with her doctors. we reached out to the doctors involved, sandeep kapoor's lawyer told hln, no way, jose. he's openly gay. hey, that rhymes. straight out to my expert panel and mike walters from tmz. mike, what is the very latest coming out of the shock documents that were just released? >> well, there's so much of these documents. i just got finished reading it cover to cover for the second time to see what i could find out. but i will start with the fact of all the medications. in there these two doctors, they're describing the overmedication of anna nicole smith. the pregnancy was key. doctor sandeep kapoor according to documents overprescribing in some cases ten times over the
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limit that a normal person would get. >> during her pregnancy? >> this is during the year the nine months that she was pregnant that the prescriptions were coming in and going out. so -- and then you go to eroshevich. this is days after her son died. and remember. >> he was a hospital. remember she was in the hospital in and out because of her baby. so she's in a hospital. but this facts goes into these pharmacies that you were talking about saying we will never give her this medication. it was a handwritten fact and this list was like this huge cocktail and guess what the killer in these documents which is going to come out is the two drugs. chlorohydrate and klonopin. those two were the keys in this drug cocktail that killed anna nicole smith when it came out. and also i got to go under the sexual thing really quick because that was explosive. they described the photos. this is sexual in bathtub and
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nude. it is there are multiple photos which they have. this is didn't happen. >> of who? >> of eroshevich, her psychiatrist/the person who sent the fax to get the dope and anna nicole in sexual positions. this isn't, like, you know, topless sunbathing. this is really graphic stuff. and sandeep kapoor the other doctor in the nightclub nuselling her neck, kissing her neck on video and in photos. so this is highly inappropriate and i can't believe that the doctors have that relationship with her. and it's still -- i can't even describe. i could go on forever of all of the stuff that's there about how many other people these doctors also did this to is why i think they're on the chopping block right. >> you absolutely and i want to stake that we did contact, reachedut to dr. eroshevich's attorneys as well as dr. sandeep kapoor's attorney. and dr. kapoor's attorney said, dr. kapoor did not have a sexual relationship with anna nicole. he is openly gay and he did not
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have a social relationship with her either. although there is this photo of him cavorting with him. i mean was anna nicole having a sexual relationship with the other doctor? we've already covered the documents referencing a video of dr. kapoor. we've explained that. but then we have a pic of a shirtless dr. kapoor. take a look at this photo. i want you to take a close look at it, and when we come back we're going to analyze it. is this how a doctor is supposed to behave? i wonder. it seems that when it came to anna nicole she would get professionals, whether it was a foreign minister of a country or a doctor or a real estate magnate, they all seemed to respond to her sexually. and i'm not saying this doctor here did, because he's openly gay. but something's going on. something's fishy in denmark somewhere with anna nicole. all right. addiction is at the very heart of anna nicole's tragedy, and so many stories, including my own. as you know, it's national recovery month. i want to urge you to pick up my
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hi. if you can please respond to the hard rock. she's not breathing and she's not responsive. she's actually anna nicole smith. >> outrageous new developments in the case against the doctors who allegedly helped anna nicole smith get the drugs. did those drugs ultimately kill her? and the phone lines lighting up. melody, ohio, your question or thought, ma'am. >> caller: yes, jane, i myself am no stranger to addiction. and i do believe that she did have the drug-seeking behavior. but for a psychiatrist to give out these medicines, i just -- i don't understand it. but my question is have they
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ever said that anna had any underlying diseases or any underlying pain that would have required her to have these type of medicines? thank you. >> well, i think, brian russell, the reason she was given these, or the prescriptions were written for these meds was that her son had died five days earlier. >> some of them. let me give you the micro and the macro on this. the micro is this is an example of hollywood health care in which doctors are willing to give a celebrity just about anything to be in their company, maybe sexual company, maybe just their company. but at the macro level it's like you said at the top of the show today. we've become a quick fix culture in which happiness is to be pursued by the fastest road, or what looks like the fastest road as opposed to the most lasting or meaningful road. people don't want to do anything hard. they don't want to overcome any obstacles. but parts of life like losing a loved one are hard and there's growth to be obtained by overcoming obstacles. i'm with you. i wish that people would start looking for their happiness not
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at the bottom of pill bottles or alcohol boughtless but by actually working through these difficult issues and overcoming these obstacles and psychotherapy is a great way to do that. >> there's one thing more here. there's one other feature. and that is anna was very publicly a train wreck and there were hordes of people that profited by her remaining in that condition. there were plenty of people zrunding h ing surrounding her who not only weren't providing her win the centive to get will well but it was the incentive to stay sick because everybody made money by her being that way. >> that was her thing. i mean, that was what she prided herself on, unfortunately. she didn't provide herself -- maybe she did but others didn't take pride in her being an actress or a model. the fact of the matter is people watched her show and watched her because they wanted to see what she would do to screw things up. >> it was a train wreck. anna nicole had prescriptions for 44 medications when she died. her long-time companion slash attorney howard k. stern testified that it was her son's death that killed her. let's listen to him.
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>> on the day that daniel died anna honestly was never the same. i mean, i would say that physically she died last week, but in a lot of ways emotionally she died when daniel died. >> don clark, go ahead. >> yeah, first of all, i don't believe anything that howard stern says about this situation because these drugs, there's a history that goes way back with these prescription drugs and i think it's time for us to target on it. we've been following this and she didn't just start taking these when daniel died. i mean, there's information that's floating around that she was taking it all through pregnancy and they were doing these sorts of things to her. >> anybody who saw her show saw how messed up she was, or appeared to be, unless she's -- she was the great actress of all time and that was all put on. she's been on drugs for a long time before her tragic death. and it's a cautionary tale for all americans. live life on life's terms.
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