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>> on behalf of the house and parliament, i thank you for your address in the depth of the message it contained. as a leader of a close ally, you have been received as a most welcome trend. especially as we commemorate the formal alliance. as an individual, you inspire us
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all as a symbol of what we can achieve. you remind us of what we ought to achieve. as a former senator, i know you are pleased that we have the president with us and our colleagues. in thanking the president of the senate and senators, i thank you for aspiring in of them the appropriate behavior of the grandeur of the occasion dictated. [laughter] i wish you a successful and enjoyable remainder of your stay in australia and success in your travels in the region. i hope that you have a safe return a pan home.
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>> president obama return to washington as the debt committee proposes that the sick beds to the cbo. during his travels, he said the committee needs to do what needs to be done. tomorrow he will sign a bill giving tax the credits to businesses that hire veterans. he will attend a musical revue at the white house. monday, a british hearing on the
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phone hacking investigation headed by george justice levenson. they include the parents of a 13-year-old girl who was murdered and actor hugh grant. watch this at 5:00 a.m. eastern on c-span2. tomorrow i'm "washington journal" the chief economist at moody'seconomy.com and the lack of a plan could have on the u.s. economy. paul singer talks about the practice of private groups paying for troops to the house of representatives. they discuss to federal programs that offer the financial assistance for foster care. "washington journal" live at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. >> see more videos of the
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candidates at the website for campaign 2012. from recent advances to the earliest parts of their campaigns. it read from the social media side and a link to the c-span media partners in the early primary and caucus states. it is a c-span.org all adds/ -- at c-span.org/campaign2012. >> michelle bauman talked about these issues during a newspaper office. this is a little over an hour. >> good afternoon. i'm the vice president of news here. we're honored to have with this year the republican congressional candidates from the six district of minnesota. this is our editorial board. we're spending some time talking about some issues.
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we know you have been actively involved. thank you for spending time with us. >> i appreciate it. >> we like to give you the floor. give us an opening statement. we will start asking you some questions. >> i am a republican member of congress but i am a presidential candidates, not a congressional candidates. i am proud to be able to be here pinprick iowa is the first caucus state. i came in in the iowa straw poll. no candidate has come and was so little time and won it. i was glad to win it. we are not resting. we're working very hard.
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this is a very big thing. we one theory it forced us to be very disciplined and do the hard work that needs to be done. iowa is about meeting people and finding support. this is what we did during the stronaw poll. we're glad we worked as hard as we did. we are continuing to work on not. we are meeting with the voters in hearing what they have to say. we're following the schedule which is in new hampshire and south carolina. we liked the schedule. we're working very hard.
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>> y de think the numbers have fallen? >> no one has ever seen an election quite like this one. this is always the unexpected. no one thought i had a chance to win the straw poll. we did. we won. i'm a hard worker. our team is hard working. my message resonated with the voters. everyone thought on any given day this can visit would be the next president. it is continually changing. if anything we have seen change it is the facility -- fluidity. it is not locked in cement their we see that where we are going. national beauty pageant polls
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are one thing. this is another. we are going person by person appear this is a good process. this is difficult. it is good. i defend this process. it is tough. the voters need to know who we are. this is a good process. we need to go before the people. i am grateful for it. i did in this process. >> [unintelligible] >> early on when my numbers are very high, i think people looked for instance at me and my background. i am an unapologetic social conservatives. i never apologize for the fact
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that i am pro-life or the fact that i stand for a marriage between a man and woman and religious liberty. i'm happy to take on the issue. >> you have carved out a narrow slice of the republican party. houle do you -- how do you reach out? >> that is the beauty of what i saw happen. every stock that i went to, i would do about six stops a day. at almost every stop, someone come up to me and say i was a democrat. i voted for barack obama but i voted for you. we saw this stop after stop. that is exactly what we're going
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to do. people are not interested in republicans are democrats. it is to is the person. to is the candidates. there is a bipartisan agreement that we are in a declining economy. we need a unifier. i can be. i'm elected in minnesota that is not a conservative state. i'm the first republican woman to go to the capitol to represent my state. i am proud of that distinction. i did not buy a tap dancing. i'm a real person. been very forthright about my position. one thing people appreciated is i mean what i say. i say what i mean. i do not dance around. i am forthright.
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people are looking for that frankness. they want a real plan to do with the economy. i am a form of federal tax lawyer. i know taxes. we know the travails a small- business person goes through. background,en this i got the right solutions to turn the economy around. that is the number-one issue. i also have the benefit of serving on the house intelligence committee, dealing with the nation in secret. this is not rising before. the issue of dealing with national security is rising. i think this will continue to be front and center. it needs to be. we're seeing the united states are in a more vulnerable position as we have before.
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i was a lone voice in the wilderness a washington last summer. i was one of the only voices that said we have enough revenue to pay the interest on the debt. let's do it. does not see our credit ratings go down. all 535 of us should be here right now and look for how we're going to cut a significant portion out of the budget. it would be painful. we need to do that. we cannot bar the level we are borrowing. for do borrower the level we are borrowing. we saw our credit ratings downgraded. we are no closer to any sort of a deal. to see massive tax increases.
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to see massive cuts perrin we need to look no further than to have secretary panetta who said to john mccain that if the super committee prevails or does not prevail that there are 600 billion in of automatic cuts. we could be looking at sending the armed forces back down to levels of 1940. our air force would be the lowest level aircraft. it is coming at the worst possible time. the economy is flat on its back. you have the military at the same time. it is not take much imagination to imagine what that means in terms of national security. >> i want to go back.
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you talked about the debate. do you still feel it was wrong to raise the debt limit? let me give you the context. the day i came into the united states congress, we were in debt. it took us to win in 19 years to accumulate a $0.67 trillion in debt. trillion at the $16 bubble level. we have gone in four years time from $8.67 trillion to $15 trillion. next year we will be at $16.70 trillion. that is almost doubling the national debt. that changed the velocity of spending para it is the velocity
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of spending and debt accumulation. in october, that works out $650 for every man, woman, and child. this is $2,300 in additional debt that the family has to pay for. what anyone is saying is that congress spends money faster than people can earn it. >> what is the net affect of saying we will borrow another dime? >> we will pay the interest on the debt. that is what standards and poor's and moody's looks at. can you finance the debt? >> how much is it per year? the interest on the debt. >> it is getting worse.
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it was about 6%. it will be doubling in 10 years. it will be at a level -- we will be spending more money on interest on the dead in 10 years and we are on the military. >> if you pay the interest on the debt and the things that we have to pay for, a social security, etc., everything else would have gone away the next day. >> what we need to do is not avoid reform. that is what every administration does. it is not just a muskrats -- democrat. we have to reform the programs that we have today. when i was born in iowa, we did not have medicare. it was not until i was a 10 year-old that we have medicare. we have a program now that is a
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good 45 years of age. it is time to have reform. the way that it is going now, those numbers are not going to stay at a plateau. they will escalate. >> what is medicare reform look like? i want to change health care for all americans. we have what will be socialized medicine. i want to end the monopoly that insurance companies have in every state. i want every american and island by any insurance plan they want. whether it is the premium or
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the copiague are the pharmaceuticals. i want them to pay with that with their own money. i want to have malpractice liability reform. that deals with the tax issue. i would like to offer a liability shield to any doctor or nurse or drug company that once and to offer care to poor people. when i was a little girl, the doctor would say we do not run to the doctor. they would take as and a doctor's visit was $5. we would see the doctor but the doctor saw people who cannot pay. he did not charge people who truly could not afford it. he knew someone was abusing the system or not. today it is different. you have people who sue you. doctors are in a different position. if you want to encourage people to offer care for free to people, we should.
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one thing we can do is offer liability. in the biggest problem is health care costs. president obama said every household say $2,500 a year. they said they say today $500 a year of their health-insurance premiums. it is going the opposite. this is what i want to do. >> there is a law that you think should rename? >> absolutely not. i brought 40,000 americans to washington to fight against obamacare. obamacare well be more expensive than anyone can dream. it will be incredibly experience. we are getting entitlement programs only can least afford it. we cannot afford the cost. we are seeing that it will already restricted doctors.
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i was in rock rapids is doing a town hall. a physician's stood up. he was very top. he said let me tell you what does happen to me. that's how long i was on the phone? he said two hours and 15 minutes. i am so frustrated. this is what obamacare for me. his time was wasted and her time was wasted and all the patients in the waiting room. this is the kind of bureaucratic have a system. i want to get rid of obamacare. i worked the legislation to appeal its. i want to repeal it.
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it is a cost issue. >> it helps somebody who works for a small company and does not have company provided health care plan and cannot afford to buy one. how does that nonexistent tax break work for him under your plan? >> they can buy the cheapest possible plan they can get. what a lot of people will do is buy catastrophic health insurance plans. what we will be seeing is we will be encouraging new -- like minute clinics to grow up. they can get them seen immediately. no one even knows what health
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care costs any more. either the government is involved and they are the largest purchaser of health care in the united states. i want to introduce the free market. >> what kind of of their coverage have you had? >> you have been in congress. >> we've also been with out. >> individuals cannot deduct their health insurance. businesses can. >> i introduce the bill in congress. >> it allows them to purchase a health-care policy and deducted on their health care -- taxes.
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>> it does not protect people that the insurance company one not protected. but what you propose for that? >> it is the marketplace. people are determining the cost of health care. it is not that people have to go with health care. >> it is always people that have pre-existing conditions. the states can come up with plans. i believe they can. i'm not sure the exact number appear 38 states have high risk pools. they tried to put together a
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subsidies of people can pay what would be more of a normal price for health insurance. then the state comes them. we want to offer a charitable organization or doctors or clinics peeri. health care will be provided. what is the cheapest and cost- effective way to get the highest quality care? that is not what we are getting. it is the entity that purchase is the greatest amount of health care. we're not getting a good value. health care is a big issue.
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obamacare will break the bank. that is kathleen sebelius saying that. she recently said that we cannot have the long term component of the obamacare bill. it is not enough money. in order to make the numbers work over a 10-year time frame, and they had to have all the revenues of fronts and the -- of france -- upfront. we see the stunning level of power that the government has spirit with obamacare there has been over 6000 pages of rules and regulations. this is a bill that will never finish being written.
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the employees are not hiring. employers know that every employee they hire will have at least a $2,000 price on their head. if they do not offer health insurance, they will have to pay a fine. what government will do is they will dial up the rent. is to be more than 2000. employers are reluctant. they know the costs are exponential and dealing with health care paie. >> did you backstage on children? >> we did. we went through and have the normal course of measles and tb and all of the babies; shots. they had them. i had them.
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we have seen a marked difference in the number of vaccinations that children have. it is more than they used to have. more are being encouraged. that is a decision parents need to make. that is the point i was making. it is not a decision for a governor to make but a decision that parents and children have to make. more important is the issue of crony capitalism. it was the idea of politicians paying off their political donors with either mandates for government contracts. the biggest scandal we hear a lot about is solyndra. it is coming out with begin power. this happens all the time. it is scandalous. no politician should be paying
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off their political donors. >> [inaudible] >> i'm not a doctor. i'm not a scientist. my point was an abuse of executive power. >> we talked about the nuclear weapons. >> going back to the time president obama came into play, it was foolish at worst for the president to meet with iran with no preconditions. this is a nation that has violate thed one issue after another. there have been unwilling to let inspectors and.
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once they gain a nuclear weapon, they would use it to wipe israel up the pace of the earth. to the president sat down with them with no pre-existing conditions. what he gave iran is the luxury of time, it time to develop nuclear weapons. this is extremely serious. it is the number one threat that faces the nation. at they will do, not only with themselves but with syria. it is a courier to their p roxy. they will share it with sudan. president obama made a wrong decision in the treaty with russia last december.
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we are seeing a de-declares asian of the wealthy nations -- denuclearization of the wealthy nations. this is very serious. we will seek the call for nuclear weaponry as well. we will be seen in a clear rise middle east. i do not think that will lead to peace. i want peace. . .
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either iran may make a strike, israel may make a strike or the u.s. would make a strike. i would hope it it would not be the u.s. making that strike. but right now iran hasn't gotten the signal from anyone that they have something to lose if they continue to go forward. they have continued to develop not only the enriched uranium but also the ability to deliver a nuclear weapon. they have continued to go forward unabated in a manner that has put not only the united states at risk but the rest of the world at risk. >> so what is the signal that needs to be sentd? what needs to be done vis-a-vis iran right now? >> well, right now, again,
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president obama has taken this off of the table, which is extremely foolish, in my opinion. we need to isolate iran, economically. we can. >> more so than we have? >> we haven't done anything. >> there are no sanctions in place against -- >> no, i'm not saying -- not any that are meaningful. the meaningful sanctions would be with the irnian -- iranian central banking community so they wouldn't have access to funds. we should -- could shut them down in a heartbeat if they didn't have access to funds. they would be done. president obama has been unwilling to do that to iran. i think that's been tragic. >> and you are? >> he's failed to bring the rugs -- russians and the chinese and those he needs to, to bear.
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i think he's taken his eye off the central issue, which is dealing with iran. instead he was diverted to libya. i came out immediately and said i was opposed to what the president was doing in libya. not because i was such a fan of gaddafi but because of the lack of a theat posed by them the secretary -- secretary of state gates says there was no national mission and no national interest in libya. why are they -- we going into the country -- we started the effort. we unilaterally began the bam -- bombing. president obama did that while congress was still in session. i was in washington the week he i -- he made that decision. he did not consult congress.
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he said he didn't have to. i believe he did. he went forward and made that effort unilaterally. after we were there, only after the united states joined the bombing did we join up with nato. but let's not forget, who provides the number one source of funds for nato? we do. we provide that money. and secretary gates came out just before he resigned and said nato needs to start may be their own freight. we've been paying their freight. we've been providing the defense for europe. that needs to end. europe needs to stand on their own two feet. we are far too extended beyond what we should be. we can't afford that. i am not one who says that we can't cut back on defense. we can. let me tell you one area. we have a real problem when it comes to procurement. there is a military-industrial complex in washington, d.c.,
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and the issue of procurement is scandalous. today we have a cost plus fee basis and we pay based upon how much time it takes to develop a weapon. now, if you go order a couch, you don't pay more money if it takes longer to build that couch, but that's what the federal government does. we pay for money based upon how much time it was. we need a fix hd -- fixed-price system where we say look, we'll pay you x amount for this aircraft carrier for this weapon and that's it. you figure it out. instead, we're getting played all the tile on procurement and that's wrong. tri care is something else i want -- think can be reformed. it isn't that i want to cut bag on benefits for the service people but tri care needs to be reformed. >> you broke ranks with some of your competitors and said you
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supported water boarding, you had no problem with that. is that, the notion of torture being acceptable consistent with your faith and values? >> well, i don't accept your premise that that's torture. >> you don't? what do you think it is in? it was an enhanced interrogatingation technique used to bring about information. harry truman was asked about his decision to drop the bomb in japan. that was a terrible decision that truman had to make. he made it and he said, if i have to kill 1,000 jason schmidt -- 1,000 japan oonese to save one american life, i will the and let me finish. if i in that vein had someone who was a terrorist and the water boarding done on khalid shaikh moumed, -- muhammad, the admitted mastermind of 9/11, and president obama said we did
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extract information from him that prevented other incidents, if i had knowledge that we could use something like water boarding to save american people, way use it? yes, i would. water boarding does not kill anyone. is it uncomfortable? yeah. but i am more concerned we would have aircraft going into the twin towers, taking down 3,000 innocent american lives than i am about the comfort level of a terrorist and what that means for them. again, this is done under monitored conditions where, is it uncomfortable? yes. i don't deny that it is uncomfortable. but a person is not going to lose their life, nor will they be permanently injured or impaired by this. and it's done on very unique, strict circumstances. >> but the people -- >> and here's the other problem. what is it that president obama is doing today? we no longer have c.i.a.
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interrogators. c.i.a. interrogators no longer are able to deal with enemy combatants. all we have is the army field manual and we publish it online so any terrorist can see what's going to happen to them when they're captured, and it's in effect, they know exactly what we're going to do to them. so they don't fear. there is no fear. no respect for the united states because they know exactly what's going to happen, and something else that i brought up in.debate is we no longer have a place to put them in jail once we capture them. now, there are ships, but that's not a long-term solution. we have bagram air force base, but that's not really a detention facility if all we're using is the army field manual. when are we going to recognize we're at war? we're at war with an enemy that means business. our enemy sees that we're at
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war. they're acting like we're at war. we're the ones that are acting like we're not at war. we're at war with an enemy that wants to see us defeated and dead, so much so that it wasn't that many weeks ago that we saw iran try an international assassination plot on u.s. soil. they wanted to carry this out at a restaurant that presumably would be filled with members be congress, senators, and hundreds of innocent americans, and they had no compunction about killing all these innocent americans here in washington, d.c., our nation's capital. >> this is getting back to the question of water boarding. you said it's being done on terrorists but actually it's being done on people to determine if they are terrorists -- >> k.s.m. is the admitted mastermind of 9/11. >> he's not the only one being water boarded. >> he knitted -- admitted his
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guilt and he also wanted to be executed. those determinations need to be made by the president and those who are in that hierarchy grid of authority. smernl not everyone is waterboarded nor is everyone waterboarded. it's an extraordinary technique, and all i'm saying is that i think a president needs to have that tech neeng on the table. >> if you think it's not that bad would you ever willingly submit to it to see what it's like? >> well, i think that would be absurd to have the president of the united states submit to water boarding. there are those who have. but again let's look at the context. the united states of america was attacked in an act of war. we lost the twin towers. we lost 3,000 innocent americans. flight 93 went down over pennsylvania and innocent lives were lost. the pentagon had a plane flown into and we lost hundreds of
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innocent lives there. this is a very real issue. i take it seriously, and as president of the united states and in particular as commander in chief i will do what i have to do to cheep the american people safe. we are probably at greater rick now than when president obama came into office because you are looking at the specter of a nuclear iran the it could potentially change the course of history. >> how do you respond to a person like john mccain who also takes it very seriously and argues that we, by using torture, which is his definition of the word, has actually made his -- us less safe have you. >> number one, i have the deepest respect and admiration for john mccain. he is a true american hero, and i respect him and respect his opinion. but he and i would disagree on this issue. i see that this is an enhanced interrogation technique that should be something available
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to a president of the united states. limited use? undoubtedly. but something nonetheless in the right circumstances the president if he needs to employ this should be in that toolbox. and that's where we disagree. i do not believe it makes us less safe. i think we are more safe if we are baseball to get the best intelligence and the best information. i think we're also seeing a different type of war if the wars, the level of threats that we're looking at today, ant -- aren't as much geo -- geo political nation-states that are suited up on battlefields. we still have that element but we're really dealing with the threats today, our interrogatition, our best answers can be done through detention, rendition, interrogation, and that's why we need to have the interrogation but also need detention. i would continue and keep open guantanamo bay because we have
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to have somewhere to have people who are in detention and also our special forces, our special forces proved themselves certainly with bin laden and we need to make sure that we have the resources so we have special forces because it's a very different kind of enemy, a different kind of war, a different kind of battlefield and we need to be able to adapt to that threat. >> are there any areas where you think president obama has done a good job? >> sure. he made the right decision to take out osama bin laden. i took on ron paul in the last debate on that issue. i disagreed with him. he felt it was wrong for the tonight have made the decision to take out bin laden and all wacky -- alawki. he is the one who recruited major hassan, who was responsible for the fort hood
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mass acker. he recruited the christmas day bomber that wouldn't -- wanted to take out a -- an airline -- airplane over the city of detroit. so he was very active and very involved in recruitment, and it was right that president obama made those decisions. i also commended the president when he chose not to have a new helicopter built, a new marine one, because, again, the procurement process was broken. it was far more expensive than it needed to be and he understood that and i appreciated that. it isn't that every decision president obama makes is wrong. they aren't. he makes decisions that ache degree with, but i think the general direction he has taken the country has been a disaster and i ace -- disagree with him. there are some decisions he's made that are right and i thank
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him for that. certainly i don't believe he deserves a second term. he doesn't have the formula for turning the economy around and i think he has weakened the united states and made us more vulnerable for attack. >> what is your formula for turning the economy around? >> my farm loe -- formula is found at michelle isbachmann.com. it begins with a tax code. i am committed to the full repeal of obama care, the full repeal of dodd-frank. i wrote both pieces of legislation. i call it the jobs and housing destruction act. let me add this on dodd-frank. todd-frank mandated that 400 rules have been written. 26% of those have been written so far and the estimate is that just the 26% of rules written will require annually 11
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million man-hours. just by way of comparison, building the empire state building, at that time the tallest building in the world, required 7 million man-hours. this is the level of course cost we're going to have added on to the economy. it won't add, it will subtract from the economy. so i'll repeal those two pieces of legislation. for four years i've been working on the area of legalizing american energy production. that's 1.4 million jobs that we can create. it will increase america's domestic supplies by 50%. i want to see the price of gas get back to what it was on the day obama took office. it was on offering $1.7 -- on average $1.75 a gallon. i would love to see that.
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>> you have been a foster parent -- >> but my tax plan, i also want to kill 1.8 trillion dollars worth of regulations. i'm the first candidate to sign a pledge saying i will build a fence on the southern border and i want to deal with welfare benefits to illegal aliens and also make english the official language of the country. i'm a former federal tax lawyer. i want to have essentially a flat tax system but one that recognizes that people who make more need to pay more. they need to not pay any less than people who are at the middle and lower income level. and that's unfortunately what herman cain and pick -- rick perry's plans do. i want to make it truly flat so that people aren't disadvantaged at the middle and lower left. i also want to make sure that
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the same rules apply to everyone and i want to plaque sure that everyone pays something. this is a departure from the rest of the candidates. >> even poor people? >> even if it's only $10 a year, that might be all that some can afford. >> you are in favor of raising taxes for poor people? >> i am in favor of doing away with eitc the >>ed earned income tax credit? >> something happens to people's mindset when 40% of the american people pay 0% of income tax and 57% -- 4 -- 53% pay all the rest of the income taxes. >> some pay nothing. so what you make sure is that they pay -- that's what's wrong. >> how about corporations who pay nothing? >> that's what's wrong.
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last year whirlpool corporation paid like minus 11%. >> so you would review and elimb nate tax credits to corporations as well? >> pardon? >> would -- you would eliminate tax credits to corporations -- >> what i want to do again, by abolishing the tax code it would deal with businesses as well. the tax rates are too high. the combined effective rate, because all states are a little bit different, is about 40%. that's really all you need to know about why we're seeing jobs leave the united states when a lot of countries today have corporate rates at 25% and falling and we're weighing in at 40%. one manufacturer in west des moines told me i bought a piece of commitment that was $1 million and i could either put it in canada or in west des moines where the tax rate is
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18% the he said where would you go? he said, i put it up in canada the we have got to be competitive in the world. we are stifling ourselves and deluding ourselves if we're embracing a dependency culture that looks like greece and being uncompetitive like the old western european nakeses that we used to laugh another -- nations that we used to laugh at. when we're doing that we're disadvantaging ourselves the that's why i think we need to change the mindset and make sure everybody pays something. one of the addages growing up in iowa was nobody owes you a living. you've got to work. be -- not everybody can work. we get that. there are people who are physically or mentally disabled and can't. nobody begrudges you that. but "nobody owes you a living is -- "is a pretty good adage.
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something else my parent taught me, an honest day's work -- >> does that mean eliminating welfare programs totally? >> it means taking a look at what lyndon johnson put into place in the mid-1960's. what i want to do is go through the great society programs, and i think a lot of them need to be ended and i think the states need to make the decisions about whether they want them or not the we can't -- didn't have food stamps before 1964. they came in and they've only escalated from there. the same with a lot of the programs of public housing. we simply can't afford them. when the government spends and borrows $1.5 trillion that we don't have, we're in trouble. and that isn't just one year. that's year after year after year. and so that has to end. and so part of that is
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dismantling the modern welfare state. that is not a part of constitutional go. i want to get back to constitutional government. and those programs in my opinion, the states can decide if they want to do them but we just simply can't afford them at the federal level any more. we just can't. >> i want to talk about your five years in congress so far. can you cite for us three examples of legislative successes you have had? >> well, first of you will i've been in the majority since this january, so nancy pelosi was not particularly interested in advancing my pro-growth agenda. she should have because we would be in a much better place today. but i've been involved in legalizing american energy and i've been a strong advocate for that. i also worked very hard, like i said, bringing 40,000 americans to washington, d.c. to fight against obama care. i worked very hard on that. i worked very hard against
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dodd-frank and very hard at putting fannie and freddy into federal reciphership. it's a -- re -- reefership. -- receivership. and i worked with democrats, worked across the aisle and we actually brought down the vote on the first wall street bailout. we didn't prevail on the second one, but i tried in the best way i could and now i'm working together with republicans and democrats and we're hoping to dull -- get a bridge built between wisconsin and minnesota and we think we might get there for a historic first. i'm praising president obama for that. it looks like at this point the obama administration is getting behind that. just got off a call with the secretary of transportation and the interior and senators and representatives and we think we're going to get that done.
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so it is possible to get something done, to work together as republicans and democrats and i'm looking forward to it. >> as the only woman in this race and one of the very few who has ever run for president, how do you feel that you've been treated by the press, the public shall and by the other candidates? >> well, the public has been wonderful. absolutely wonderful. people in iowa have been fantastic and all across the country. i haven't felt as anyone -- if anyone has seen me as any less. i want to give thanks to my parents for instilling that in me. i had three brothers, no sisters and i was treated just like my brothers. by the way, it's the best preparation that anyone could have for politics, three brothers and no sisters. you learn how to fight and they learn how not to pick on their sister. but the other candidates have all been very gracious and
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kind. we have our differenced and we don't see each other to speak of. whether we go to debates, we line up behind the curtain, we're off stage and thenier -- we're off talking to people. but everyone's been very nice and very gracious and very civil. there certainly are differences an we aren't reticent about pointing them out. and then you asked about the press. i'm sure everyone wishes they could be treated better by the press, but i'm grateful that the media have covered our events and as long as they report what happens in events, we're more than happy. there is a john that -- job that the media has to do and we understand that. i've never really whined or griped about the press or about coverage because i'm grateful that they're there and are reporting. that's the wonderful thing about the day and age we live in because almost anyone can be
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a journalist today. if you have a flip-phone cam ro -- camera you can make history. with the internet, anyone can see what's going on at any minute. the 2012 race is so far different than even the 2008 race. twitter was certainly used but much more so now. people are more familiar with it and it's interesting now the level of expectation that the public and the media have. everything is an instantaneous response. we have to be conversant on almost every issue almost instantly as it happened -- happens. that is difficult to do. but it's a good process. it's very good for us to go through this. like i started our conversation today, it's one of the most difficult exercises i've ever gone through, but i defend it to the hilt because the job of the presidency will be extraordinarily difficult. it will take everything out of
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a person and then some. so it's important for a person to go through this, to have to learn to be better all the time. i appreciate that. you know, i've made mistakes and i want to be better in this process, so i appreciate how tough this is because we want the best candidate as the next president of the united states. we want the best president we can possible hi have. obviously i have an opinion on that and i think i'll be the best candidate. >> you've been likened to sarah palin. what do you think about that comparison? >> i like governor palin. she's raised five children, been the governor in alaska, made great contributions and i'm grateful for everything she's contributed. she blades a trail herself by being our first female vice president candidate on the republican side and she took a lot of abuse during the time she was a candidate, and i
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appreciate her willingness to stand up and serve her country. >> great. i think that's it. >> well, they didn't get a chance to ask a question down there! you should ask them how they feel they're treated by the media! >> one more? >> i'd like to ask you about afghanistan. in the debate up criticized the 3 op,000 surge may be -- saying -- 30,000 surge saying it should have been 40,000. how do you feel about what he's doing? >> i think it was a big mistake for the president to dither for two months when he did. that impacked that particular fighting season. with 40,000 troops, what would have been done is the commanders could is fought both on the eastern and southern portion of afghanistan because that's where the problem was to
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defeat the taliban and all the proxy militias that pakistan continually sends into afghanistan. that wasn't possible because he failed to fulfill the request made. so the decision had to be made to focus on the south, particularly in around helmand province. we've seen success on the ground particularly around kandahar. but the problem is when we couldn't deal with the problem quickly on both fronts it's actually lengthened the time of -- the amount of time the united states has had to stay in that area the my practice is to get in, get out, get home. now the president has said he will be pulling the troops out by september of next year. that's less than a year from now. when the president sent those 30,000 troops, it wasn't just the 30,000 troops. he also announced the date that
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we'd be leaving. that's almost insisting that you're yoorg -- going to lose this effort. you don't hear the president talk about winning, you don't hear the president talk about victory. isn't that after all why we send troops, to win and have victory? we won the peace in iraq and he's determined to lose it in iraq and we will by pulling all our troops out by the end of this year. we already know that because an iraqi general went up to iran this week to make friends with iran and the kurds have been doing the same thing and all these gains will be lost. .
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we have invigorated our enemies, and that is the failure of the president. he is choosing to fail in iraq and afghanistan. we cannot see afghanistan stand on its own by september. there is a real problem in the
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east. we cannot possibly hold the south and to deal with the east when the president is holding true levels out. >> is the nominee going to have to go in and increase troop levels? >> i intend not to be the next nominee but the next president of the united states. the president would have made sure he pulls the troops out, and it is more than obvious. the president is taking his orders from general axelrod. he is not listening to general allen or general austin in iraq. he is listening to general axelrod, and that is who he is listening to.
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i think that is the lowest of low for the commander in chief to make military decisions based on reelection calculus verses making military decisions based on the best interest of the united states and our security and defense, up because that needs to be the number one issue of the commander in chief. >> less than seven weeks, we were going to be heading over, and we will talk about our endorsement. tell me why you should turn our support and endorsement. >> because i am most reflective of the values i will uphold. i always want the next president to be able to understand the economy and knows what to do about turning it around. i have that perspective.
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our family went below poverty, and i have worked my way through college and establish myself. i know what is to be middle class. i know what is to be below poverty. i know what it is to come out of that. i have that american value of an honest day's work for an honest day's pay and your word is your bond. i have learned that from seven generations. i have the practical knowledge as someone who started a business from scratch and runs it profitably today. i have a background as a tax lawyer and also as someone who sat on the committee in the united states congress. i know what needs to be done and have formulated a plan that makes sense and have put that on
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my website. i know what needs to be done, and i can bring people together to make it happen. i cut my teeth on education reform. you were going to ask me about foster reform. we have five biological children we have raised and 23 foster children, and i got into politics because i was a mother, and i was very concerned about what i saw my foster children bringing home in the backpack, so i decided to get involved, and i lead an education reform movement in minnesota. i gave five years of my life to education reform. my husband and i were one of the first to started a cave-12 charter schools, and ours was bogus -- k through 12 charter schools, and ours was focused on at risk kids, and we became the
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first if not the only state that repeal the federal education standards, which were politically correct standards, and instead, we put in place -- that was my efforts that i lead , and we put into place academic standards, just like when i grew up in iowa, i attended public schools. they were fantastic. i have such a good education growing up in iowa public schools, and i went to minnesota, and they were very good schools as well. that is why i was shocked by what my foster children were bringing home in the backpack. i had always been extremely plus by the schools i went to, and i was shocked. my 11-year-old foster child from posters to color. 3-year-old scholar. -- 3-year-olds color.
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my mother said to me, there is one thing that can never be taken away from you, and that is your education. she was right. i was 13 years of age, and i studied. because i did well in school, that helped me make it in life, so i wanted our foster children to have that opportunity. if in 11th grade, they are coloring. -- they are coloring, it would hurt them, because it would hurt business people and hurt productivity. i got involved, an island that education reform movement, -- i lead that education reform movement, and what is really was minnesota,ait a democratic state. i went all over the state and gave talks, and because of me
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going around the state, people put pressure on their own senator to get rid of the profile of learning, and they did, and i was serving on the minority in the minnesota senate, and we got rid of this program. everyone said it would never happen because education is the number one budget items in almost any state's budget, and this was the biggest program minnesota had adopted, and we got rid of it. i really believe we can appeal obamacare. it is going to be the toughest thing that can happen. i think we can get rid of obamacare because people hate it. i saw education reform in minnesota, in a democrat state where you thought it was impossible, and i think we can do it on a national level. it is not that i am against
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health care, but i think we can deliver better health care at better prices directly to people, because if there is anything medicare has shown us it is fraud, and we have to weed out the fraud. we are going to see it in obamacare, and we want to make sure people get the finest health they can. the greatest quality health care for the greatest number of people at the lowest price. that is the definition of the free market. >> thank you very much for pursuing the republican nomination. >> thank you, and that is why i want to be president of the united states. >> thank you for coming in. >> thank you for the opportunity. thank you for your patience. thank you for having me, and i really appreciate it. >> general axelrod democrats that is going to get me in trouble.
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good -- general axelrod staminate and now >> that is going to get me in trouble a. -- general axelrod? >> that is going to get me in trouble. >> i have been back here editing. >> good to see you. >> good luck. >> you are welcome. bye bye. the guy who holds the bow mike gets to shake hands, su garrido -- the guy who holds the microphone gets to shake hands, too. >> see recent events to the early parts of the campaign. read the latest comments from media sites and links to c-span media partners in the early caucus states, all at c-
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span.org/campaign2012. >> tomorrow, on the chief economist at moodys.com talks about the impact of plan or a lack of a plan could have on the economy. and talking about private groups, and the executive director of the congressional coalition on the adoption institute discuss those two programs that offer financial assistance for adoption and foster care. tomorrow, the brookings institution hosts of forum on recommendations for the committee. the deadline on reaching an agreement for cutting the deficit is wednesday. featured speakers include the former congressional budget director and researcher.
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that is live at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. >> i want to welcome in person after talking to you on so many occasions, mr. ryan -- missy ryan. the afghan council is supporting hamid karzai on the u.s. troop presence, and the story indicates the afghan government is preparing for the long haul of u.s. troops staying over there. >> they favor some stipulations that are going to be a problem for sealing the deal, including a night raid, which is
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problematic for afghans. they associate it with a violation of local customs, but the pentagon believes these are a very important tool to go after terrorists in afghanistan, especially after troop levels dwindled. >> what is different in terms of international law in afghanistan verses iraq? >> the situation is different if we are looking at 2014. and the case of iraq, and you had a country with a fairly strong military whose institutions are much stronger. the anticipation is in afghanistan they will need outside support for much longer, and it is hard to envision a scenario in afghanistan like iraq where they say, we do not need you anymore. now we have some shortfalls in our military, but i think it is
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time for foreign troops to go home. >> let's talk about numbers, and this gives you a sense of how many troops are in afghanistan. the u.k. has 9500. also a substantial presence when you compare it to countries like turkey and spain. romania has about 1300. almost 4000 from italy, almost 4000 from france. next the united states -- >> the united states is much more of an authentic coalition. on the other hand, the united states is directly conceiving the overall strategy and during most of the heavy lifting in terms of logistics, surveillance, intelligence, things like that. >> is president karzai firmly in control? >> president karzai controls a complicated country from his
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door, as nick, tribal political perspectives, and ask it -- a complicated country from tribal political perspectives. his relationship with the west has been important for him. that said, there really are fears that the once the foreign military presence ens, the country could be plunged back into civil war, and that is one reason karzai and other afghans want to make sure there is a commitment to an answering western military presence, -- to an answering western military presence, but they want to do that in a way that supports their own interests. >> 95,000 american troops, 9500 british troops. >> military casualties have climbed steadily. 2009 and for 2010 were very deadly years as president obama
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surged into afghanistan. i eat these continued to take a major cause of american soldiers -- ieds continued to be a major cause of american soldiers being hurt. >> our lines are open. you can also join the conversation online at twitter, or send us an e-mail. ms. c ryan -- missy ryan. we're focusing on the situation in libya. this is essentially the last holdout outside of one or two individuals involved in the gaddafi regime. his capture indicates there is no chance he would try to
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redirect his father strategy. >> i think it is interesting he managed to avoid capture four months, and his father was captured and kiln a month ago, and apparently he was trying to exit libya. he obviously feared the same violent and his father met. what is happening now is a libyan government says they would like to try him in libya rather than send him to the hague, where he faces charges of crimes against humanity, and it is going to be a huge test as to whether or not they can organize a trial that would be credible, sir, transparent at such a sensitive time. >> how stable is libya today? obviously a lot of change going on, but people say the day to day life is relatively normal
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under the circumstances. >> certainly to some extent normal life has resumed. that said, there are still pro- gaddafi die-hards who continue to fight, and the more important test will be how well do these embryonic government no institutions stand up to these thes of challenges such uas former leader and providing services. all of these things are very difficult for any country, especially a country like libya, which had an autograph for 40 years and a very weak government. >> when were you last in libya? >> i left libya on august 25. >> what were your impressions of the people? >> i spend all my time in gaddafi-controlled tripoli. they were trying to minimize the
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threat rebels were imposing to them. it is a country that it's very divided. this is where the uprising occurred. it will in some ways have some advantages in terms of oil resources they have in trying to build an economy, and perhaps return to a world economy. that said, it is hard to get over the social divisions and violence we saw since the uprising occurred in february. that cannot happen overnight. >> we are talking to missy ryan. the president addressed the australian parliament. >> in afghanistan we have begun are responsible transition so afghans can take responsibility of their future and coalition forces can begin to draw down. with partners like australia, we
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struck major blows against on the pathput athat to defeat, so make -- against al qaeda and put them on the path to defeat. >> about 1500 australian troops in afghanistan. as you look at this transition and the responsibility we have, what lies ahead over the next 12 or 18 months? >> president obama is trying to draw down the troops he ordered into afghanistan after his 2009 strategy review. they will be withdrawn by the end of next summer. the white house is already asking for recommendations on troop levels for 2014, and we already expect there to be some sort of foreign u.s. military
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presence following 2014. we need to do that because afghan security forces will not be strong enough to operate on their own. we need a base to conduct operations in pakistan. the drone operations, the drone program against militants in western pakistan is important. pakistan is a difficult, and reliable ally. we see it a rock-solid and -- pakistan is a difficult, unreliable ally. >> one of our viewers is saying we cannot afford to keep karzai , especially with u.s. soldiers still dying. tell him he gets only 1 billion and no u.s. soldiers died. the point about how much this is costing us, a significant cost
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to taxpayers in afghanistan. >> i would not expect congress to cut any of the money that is seen as the key for soldiers on the ground. i think areas that could be targeted for cuts in afghanistan would be our support of the afghan national security forces, which could be 5 billion per month into the future. also our support for reconstruction and development in afghanistan, which has been a big part of the obama administration strategy there. the united states has spent $50 billion restructuring agreed to reconstructing afghanistan. -- has spent $50 billion reconstructing afghanistan. we have spent millions getting girls to school.
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>> if you look at a map, where is the country most unstable? >> one might have said a year ago the south, which is the traditional heartland of the taliban. the u.s. military in surging into those areas has had a number of important tactical successes on the ground. they have been able to push the tablet bound -- knows the taliban -- push the taliban out of the areas. the security has deteriorated, and we see a network that is part of the taliban. they have been very aggressive, and they have been involved in a number of high-profile attacks that undermine american perceptions and afghan perceptions about which we
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security is heading in afghanistan. >> i want to point to the border with iran and asked about the threat or influence it was with insurgent groups inside afghanistan. >> the pentagon does accuse iran of supporting militancy in terms of weapons and no logistical support. it is really not the primary focus when we have a conversation. we are focused on afghan insurgencies. pakistan is the most important country there, and the obama administration is trying very hard to bring about a change in pakistani behavior. it wants them to crack down on these proxy groups, some of these militant groups such as the taliban that operate within pakistani borders and are able to renew their fighting force
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and launch operations within afghanistan. >> tom is joining us from maryland, the democrats' line. >> good morning. can you hear me? >> yes. >> i have two questions. one is for your guests on her being a reuters correspondent. are there any black reuters correspondents? >> i do not know if you want to respond to that. >> yes, there are. >> just a brief comment, and then my question. i am watching this documentary about one of these bases in afghanistan, and there was a most disturbing picture about how exposed our soldiers are, but my question is why should
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the united states these spending not 50 billion, but anything in terms of the reconstructing a tribal society with the geography as it is, knowing the history of afghanistan who going back thousands of years? guest: i am sure you know the history of the initial. one thing was to rebuild the nation and bring it into the modern era. since then, the philosophy regarding afghan reconstruction has shane's. the overall international support for that -- has changed. the overall international support has ever done flowed, but a strong, stable
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afghanistan with a fairly it literate population is good for its own stability, its own security, and that helps our national security. host: she is a graduate of georgetown and harvard university, spent a number of months in baghdad, covering the situation in mexico. she has spent two sedan, lebanon, prue, yemen -- peru, yemen. good morning. caller: we wanted them to turn over osama bin laden, but it took us 10 years. how are they going to turn him over if they do not have an army? he was not going to surrender. the pakistani of all oil pipeline going to china, that is
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going to take 10 more years, and that is what they are protecting, because they want us out, and they are paying one trillion dollars every six months out there. guest: certainly the political climate is a complex one. the history of american involvement a loan has been rocky it over the past 30 years -- alone has been rocky over the past 30 years. osama bin laden was killed in the u.s. raid. the u.s. government is asking hard questions about which pakistani officials may have known what at what level. that is something we have not heard the end of, but i think of this point the obama administration is saying if is committed to a long-term diplomatic, economic
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relationship with these countries we see as key to american security. >> tomorrow on "washington firm of" -- journal"a discussion of the impact of plan or lack of a plan could have on the economy. kathleen strottman discusses two federal programs that offer assistance for adoption and foster care. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] >> tomorrow the discussion on recommendations for the joint deficit reduction committee. the deadline is wednesday. featured speakers of

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