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in 1982, he was elected president of the united mine workers of america, the young this tool that position. he served three terms as president. in 1995, he ran for the secretary of treasury of the afl-cio and became the youngest person to hold that position, where he served for 15 years. he was elected president of the afl-cio september of 2009. in the political team has been around since 1997. he is an expert in voter mobilization models. he became director last year. he managed congressional and local campaigns. as always, we are on the record -- please notify blogging or
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tweeting. there is no embargo when the session ends except c-span will wait two hours before hearing the tape of this breakfast. with the goal of maintaining the reputation, if you would like to ask a question, please send me a subtle signal and i will happily call on one end all. we will offer our guests the opportunity to make some opening comments and then move to questions from around the table. with that, the floor is yours. >> thank you. i always have trouble hearing you. it seems like we were just here last year at this time and another year has gone speeding by. they seem to go buy a little quicker each year. hopefully, we can make this year more meaningful than perhaps the last year. i will be very brief. i just want to say a few words
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and then we will open it up for conversation and questions you might have. for the last 30 years, the economy has really been moving away from working people and towards those at the very top. that has taken a big toll on not only workers in this country, but on the middle class. that is why this particular election we are facing right now is so important for us. it is the difference between two competing visions. we are about to have at least a debate over which one of those is best for the country. we are excited that we have joined together with a number of progressive groups to endorse a and advocate a thing called prosperity economics. you'll find it in the green packet passed around.
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it was done by jacob hacker. they put this thing together with a number of progressive groups. it offers a light at the end of the long economic tunnel. we are excited about that because we will have this debate. we are excited that in ohio, we could have a debate over collective bargaining. we can move forward and talk about what has been hauling out the country and where we go from here. our political program this year will be different. it will be more geared towards the ranking file. unlike in the past, when we started building our program 8 months before the election, this time, we have a permanent program that will stay in place. we will continue to reach out
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and mobilize after the election day and we will bring people in and educate them. it will allow us to do something we could not before. we were prohibited by law from talking to a non-union members. because of some of the new tools that are out there, we will be talking to non-union members and reaching out to them and immobilizing them. we are in the process of training over 400,000 volunteers. we already have over 300,000. we are also doing about 5000 pull monitor so we can monitor the polls on election day and leading up to election day to make sure that everybody's vote gets counted. this will kickoff on august 25 when we start our first national day of -- then it will expand to 50 states
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on the 25th of august and thereafter, we will be knocking on doors and encouraging you to participate while mitt romney is being nominated. it will be an exciting time. we are about to kickoff and we are ready. >> thank you . to get off with ae softball question. then anybody can jump in, way that me. if you could walk into the oval office and get president obama of one piece of advice about winning over white working-class men, which is a tough demographic for him, what would you say? >> keep talking about jobs, jobs, jobs. if you look at our program, i will go through this with you
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because this is the difference in the last election. talk about what -- obama lost white man by 16 points. he won in union and by 18 points. he lost women by 7%, but he won a white union women by 47%. he lost weekly churchgoers by 50%, but the increased the union members by 1%. the same thing goes on for gun owners and veterans andand others. if we keep teaching union members about economics and to is providing the program that will help them and their children and families. is hevice to him talking about jobs and i think he will win. of vision of anadditio
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economy that works for everybody. vision that ised additio more of the same. if you look at his 85-page economic program, it boils down to more tax cuts and removing regulations to create jobs. >> mike? anybody? yes? melanie put a question last friday. >> i want to ask about pensions because last year, there was a big debate about collective bargaining. it seems to me the debate might move to pensions because of state budgets.
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how do you defend pension programs for your members? >> i do not think we will. why should we? the american way is that we should be providing retirement for everybody. that is something everybody should have. here is what has happened over the last couple of years -- the far right has been successful in turning around the normal american way of doing things. it used to day we would say, you don't have a pension, i do. what do we do to get to one? now, they have been successful in trying to turn around to say you have a pension, i don't -- why should we take yours away? we should not take people's pensions away. that is a bad example. the rest of the world does that do that. the rest of the world has figured out how to provide a secure pension for everyone. all we need to do is give the political will and i think it will happen.
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>> how will you respond? >> it is not about pensions. it is a the try to weaken the labor movement. are there state entities that are hurting? yes, there are. because they do not have the tax revenue or they have had massive layoffs. do we work with them? yes, we do whenever there is a legitimate problem. take wisconsin -- they start off with a surplus. they give a major taxpayer to corporate america and they now have a deficit. they did not have to take anybody's pension. they chose. do i expect continued attack on the pension plan? >> of course. >> kevin, sorry. >> thank you for doing this.
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how do you -- [inaudible] people think it will be a close election. how does the afl-cio feel about a second term for president obama? what does a second obamacare mean for the labor movement? what would be some of the pluses
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and conflicts? how do you feel politically right now about where things are going? >> well, first of all, maybe everybody could give your name and what entity you are from. i knew you two. i do think that president obama will winning reelection. i think it will be a close race because of the massive amounts of money and resources that will get pounded into this election. second of all, i think in some instances because of good luck, the senate will remain in democratic hands. i think that the democrats will pick up seats, primarily because of the obstructionism that we have seen so far and a lack of a program. the republicans have not shown
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any program whatsoever about job creation. they voted hundreds of times on other things. on re-production control and things like that. i think they will lose ground. what happens in the second term, some of it is determined by what happens in the election. if i am accurate and that democrats hold on to the senate, maybe they will pick up a seat or some house seats. then, i think the republicans will have a choice. they will have to offer some solutions and come up with some job creation stuff and get off of the fighting over things they used to be non-partisan. the surface transportation act, the faa, the clean water act. we never used to fight over those things because they are necessary for the u.s. government and our economy to go forward.
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now we fight over everything. it is foolish. it reminds me of nero. the second term will be some of the same. we will have to continue to fight. we will organize around the hacker reports so that progressive communities will be behind that. if you look at it, it says we should be investing a minimum of $250 billion in infrastructure to pick up the deficit. that will have a job creation. that or make us more affective and efficient. we will organize around that. >> thank you. it is fair to say you think democrats will pick up a seats,
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but maybe not gain control. >> i would not rule that out, but i am not going to predict. we will see what happens. >> -- >> i was going to add that except for the extraordinary amount of money going into the house from outside groups, this would be another way -- way of election for the democrats. if you look at the nour market indicators before citizens united -- normal indicators before citizens united, in wave years, that 50% of folks said most members of congress should
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not be reelected. right now, it is at 76%. the republican rage for congressional approval is at an all-time low. that has to go up against the fact that we worked 2008 to 2012 as a democratic house, $100 million less than they did in 2008. the republicans have $100 million more. i think it is pretty clear that the republicans -- that the public is completely dissatisfied with the republican obstructionism in the house. it will be a test as to whether or not that much money can keep the house republicans. >> david grant from the
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christian science monitor. >> whenever somebody says he will raise all this money, -- will you address the paradigm? we are going to be even-steven at the end of this, maybe. can you compare what you do in take on this conflict that the labor union is doing the same thing. >> we turn out people at the grass-roots level, something they cannot do. this time, we will do even better because now we will be able to -- a non-union workers to talk to them. there used to be 500 houses in a small community. if 100 were union, we had to skip 400 houses.
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now, we can go to them and talk to them about the issues. get information to them about the issues that they find important. we will also be doing a couple of other things differently. we will energize our volunteer system a whole lot more actively than we have in the past. last election, we had about 300,000 volunteers on the ground. this time, we are shooting for 400,000. we might. >> that because we have -- we might. >> that because -- we might ex ceed that. you will not see us doing the advertisements for feel good america or the other groups they put out there. we will be doing the ground waves. we will see what happens. >> i find what they say is
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laughable. they are saying that organizations that support business should be treated equally with the labor movement, which has 15 million members. and conveniently ignore the fact that americans for prosperity, all the different business groups on top of that as though there should be some equivalency between one group on the right and the entire labor movement, which is just preposterous. if you go to the senate for responsive paulat -- center for responsive politics, you see the margin of spending -- they dwarf what we spend. it is in january.
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>> -- disingenuous. >> can you introduce yourself? >> thank you for doing this. we were talking about the president's union advantage. i was hoping you could talk a bit about president obama as a candidate, specifically for unions and union members as opposed to the working people. i think when you talk to a lot of labor leaders, you say there is disenchantment with the president. some people say he has not done and everything -- done everything he can. i wonder if you sense and enthusiasm problem with the president? if you feel like you can make a strong case that he has done everything he can for the labor movement --
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>> has he done everything he can for the labor movement? that answer is simple. nobody has ever done that. no president has ever done that. has he done a lot? absolutely. has he done a lot for working people? absolutely. let us take a simple guy that goes to work every day, whether you are in a mine or an auto factory or go to school as a janitor. under george bush, the occupational safety and health administration was nonexistent. they start it of resources and turned it from an enforcement agency into a consulting place for companies. more people were being injured. less people coming home from work that did not have health issues. now, you have workers being protected. this guy has fought for jobs. the last guy came in and had an
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economy that was blowing off the charts. it was growing. he leaves office 8 years later with fewer jobs than when he came into office. every american was worse off. our pension funds have been ravaged. lost money because of the deregulation is that he has given and then to people. this president has created 3.5 million jobs in the worst recession we have seen since the great depression. with an obstructionist house and republican senate that has tried to stop everything he has tried to do. he has worked hard. has he done everything? of course not. he works hard to get us health care. we try for 60 years to get health care for every citizen in this country. every other civilized nation has figured out how to do it. they provide health care for their citizens. he finally got that done. despite the obstructionism that
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we have seen on the other side. are their profits -- are their pockets of workers who say they should have done more? of course. when we compare them, what mitt romney intends to do and what barack obama intends to do when it comes to working people, there is no contest. barack obama is more for working people than mitt romney. mitt romney is for the very rich. he does not identify with us. does not understand what we go through every day. he does not understand the decisions we have to make. he doesn't understand it. you should not be cutting aid to colleges or pell grants or anything. you should be increasing them for the good of the country. >> i am with "the washington examiner." i was curious exactly how much money was spent in the wisconsin
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recall election. >> the afl-cio? less than $500,000. >> do you believe it was well spent? >> absolutely. we took back control of the senate. scott walker cannot do some of the nonsensical foolish things that he tried to do. he cannot continue to make war on his employees. now, he will have to try to create jobs because we will have jobs proposals put up in front of him and he will either support them or not. >> i want to rescue -- could the president have helped by showing up and being more engaged in the race? could he have made a difference? >> that was debated back and forth underground. people did not believe this, but people on the ground were really
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making the calls in that recall the session. if we had -- recall decision. if things were different, we might have made different decisions. they decided they wanted to keep it about what was happening there and they did not wanted to become a national issue. i think he probably honored that. he was not interested. >> you are not disappointed he did not go up there? >> i do not think the people on the ground were disappointed, either. he responded as the people on the ground felt was best. >> all right. johnnie? >> downie diamond from bbc. we just -- can you tell me why you think you lost the overall arguments in wisconsin? can you give me more detail as
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to how you think he will fight back on pensions? there is a sustained effort around the country in many big cities. how will you persuade people to get public sector pensions? >> let me go back to the first part of the question. when you look at what happened in wisconsin, the election degenerated into an election between scott walker -- in ohio, it was a clean decision and discussion over collective bargaining. workers have -- should they have collective bargaining or not? 60% said all workers should have collective bargaining. in wisconsin, it became between
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tom barrett and scott walker. millions of dollars of advertisements saying what a great person scott walker was. in the end, even our own memberships, of those 75% voted against walker -- of the 25% that did not come a 40% of those said they were not going to vote against him because they did not think ricou should be used for policy decisions. -- recalls should be used for policy decisions. it was an election between people. it was not about collective bargaining. if it had been, i think we would have won. the stuff with the pensions -- people are getting tired of that. talk to people in the little
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town that i grew up in. say hey, we better take away those pensions. what does that do for me? i still do not have a pension. now, neither one of us have a pension. what happens to the economy? i think we have seen the economists after economists -- the economy cannot survive without medicare and medicaid. we are giving them fact and it is starting to tackle. we will have a debate around this for shared prosperity. we will let the american public decide. i think they will go with shared prosperity because that is the better avenue for everybody. >> i want to ask a slightly
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different question about president obama. what has he done for organized labor? >> what has he done organize labor? i'm going to answer it the same way. it is not just what he is on for organized labor, it is what he has done for workers. he helped us get a health care bill that will bring health care to everybody. he stood up for social security and medicare and medicaid. he has helped us with occupational health safety. he is a policy right now that is geared towards bringing manufacturing back to the country. punishing -- dashon that's it punishing. rewarding those -- not awarding those for taking jobs offshore. he has enforced a trade act. he has saved detroit from bankruptcy.
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people are being hired. they are being hired because he saved the auto industry. all of those things. >> was it worth the $1.2 million that afl-cio spent in 2008? [laughter] >> i will answer that. of course. for us to play in the system of democracy, to educate our members and immobilize them and get them involved in the voting process is always worth it. everybody ought to be encouraging them, unlike what we see right now from the republican party, where they are trying to discourage people from playing in democracy. i think that is on the
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excusable. -- that is inexcusable. >> i am with the "washington times." what is your budget -- how much do you expect to spend on the election? >> we will have ample resources this time. we have more in our superpac to be able to talk to non-union workers. if you want to figure, i am not a -- if you want a figure, i will not give that to you, because that is the only store you ever write. ask us how many people we are organizing? over 400,000 activists are trying to get votes. and that is where we will shine.
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>> hi citizens united help? >> we think it is corrosive to the system. since it is there, we will use a small part of it. we have a superpac and we will use that to be able to adopt a non-union workers. the law prohibits us from unio talking to them. we will use the money we have to be able to talk to them. >> i am with bloomberg news. i have a question about foreign direct investment. there was an announcement that a chinese company plans to purchase a majority stake in a battery maker, a123. it has done some support for that -- from the government.
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this follows the news from last week. as we think about creating jobs in the u.s., what are your thoughts on chinese investment in the u.s.? how much should there be? how much guyots -- how many deal should be have? >> it depends. i think foreign investment can be a good thing or a bad thing. i will give you a couple of examples. a number of years ago, five or six years ago, under george bush, we used to make magnets in two places. one in indiana and one in illinois. they are used in misdial spent a things like that. the chinese got an exemption from the bush administration. six months later, they close the
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plants down and move them to china after they learned the technology. that was bad. that for national security. that for what we are doing. if they are only investing in battery making so they can gain the know how to transferred back to china so they can also decide to use a bunch of things that violate the international trade rules, to gain the market like they did with windmills and other renewable, that would be a dead thing. we should monitor that. we should not allow those types of things to continue to drain us of the resources that we have had. we have lost 50,000 plants in this country since 2000. 50,000. with them not only when the manufacturing process, but also the r & d.
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tebowing -- china says we will buy their planes, but there is a catch. if you want us to buy boeing planes, you have to make them in china. the engineers are working on other project. that is bad. we should not allow that to happen. other countries do not do that. why we allow that to happen is beyond me. i think we should look at our own best interest. there is a guy who did this tremendous study that says that 50 years ago, the interest of corporate america and the country coincided. they thought about what was best for their communities, stakeholders, state, and the country and made decisions along that line. somewhere since then, the interest of corporate america
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has diverged. they will do what is in their best interest and to spend billions of dollars to elect politicians that will do what is in their best interest regardless of the interest of the country. our biggest challenge as a country is to try to realign those interests so the interests of corporate america and the country: side again where we can both win. >> [inaudible] >> we should look at all foreign investment in the same light. we have such a massive deficit in china and they have violated the trading rules so we should be paying very close attention and trying to get them to comply with international norms.
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look what happened when we do that. the president took a case up on steel pipes. we won in front of the wto. we created many jobs. the sake think -- the same thing happened with rubber priotires. >> all right. >> could you talk about the two political conventions that are coming up? what will the presence of the afl-cio be in tampa? who are the republicans he would like to talk to?
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[inaudible] >> people in north carolina are pretty feisty. they are pretty tough. the conventions this time are unlike the past. everything is pretty much already decided. i think it is a little anticlimactic for everybody. i think there will be great issues that will be talked about. i think you need to look at those things because i think the platforms of both parties speak volumes about who they are and what they are.
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you know, we will have labor activity -- i looked yesterday at the labor festivities around the country. there will be constructing in north carolina and some stuff elsewhere. the president will be ever -- wherever he will be. we will be participating. this saturday, we have the second bill of rights today. we assessed the democratic chairman and republican chairmen to sign the second labor bill of rights. the labor bill of rights has five points. if they will sign them, great. if they don't, they don't. we will tell who is with us and
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who is not. -- we will know who is with us and who is not. in the union, we charge people $50 -- [laughter] the right to full employment and a living wage. the right to full participation in the electoral process. the right to a voice. the right to a quality education. the right to a secure health and future. i do not know how are you could oppose those things, but we will see. >> you are not going to go around like grover norquist, are you? >> some people might. that is not our intention. it is part of the bigger thing of having the debate over the american middle class and workers and the shared
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prosperity. it is part of that. it is a continuation of calling attention to that so we can continue to have the debate. if you say i will not sign that, the question is why? what do you oppose? i would assume that mitt romney says i oppose the right to a voice at work. i would say ok, that is your decision. who opposes the living wage? nobody. it will be fun. it will be part of the debate and the bigger issue getting people to talk about a different type of economy that works for everybody in forcing them to say these policies work into these do not. >> getting back to tampa -- are there any republicans who he
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will be recognizing as pro- labor? >> yes. there are fewer. the stronger the tea party gets, the less likely there will be any more candidates because they have people -- hatch was too liberal in their eyes. there are fewer and fewer. the ones that we are really able to work with our getting be because they are ninot right-wig enough. there are many who have stood by us and we will endorse.
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the more moderate rents are sort of falling off. -- ones are sort of falling off. the viciousness of the politics is driving people away. the best and brightest are not going into politics. that is a wash for the country. >> michelle? >> at u.s. president obama to sign the second bill of rights? -- have you asked president obama to sign the second bill of rights? >> we sent a letter to the head of the democratic national committee. nobody can say we did it to favor one or the other. we sent one to the republicans, too. we sent word to the president that we wanted him to sign it. i have no reason to believe he will not.
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all of those things are in his policies, anyway. >> robert? >> on the elections, what does obama need to be doing better and what is the romney team doing well that has surprised you? >> the president is making the case right now that he should be making. this is about two different types of economies. mitt romney has made -- everybody calls them gaffs, but i do not consider them that. my wife drives two cadillac's -- that is his life. take the stuff with the tax returns. when mitt romney was trying to
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be vice president, he gave mccain 23 years of tax returns. now, mccain saw something and picked sarah palin instead. he does not want to give returns to the public and it is not just about transparency, it is about mitt romney. it is about him saying, i am special. i do not have to play by the rules. every other candidate has to give their tax returns, i do not. i don't have to play by the rules. when i was at bain capital, i do not have to play by the rules. it is him being elite. i think he has to break out of that because as long as people think he is an elitist and he is
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standing with the elite, the public will not identify with him. >> do you think the obama campaign is doing a great job and there is no way to improve? >> he has to keep talking about the economy and his vision. i think he started that last labor day. remember, we were in here before last labor day and i was -- i said the president is making a strategic mistake. he is talking about deficit reduction. as long as he keeps doing that, he is losing ground. i will not say "i told you so" but last labor day, he started talking about jobs in the economy in a different way and he has not let up on it. if he stays on that vision, i think mitt romney has to stay on his, and i think he will lose.
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i think the american public is tired of the old economy. they see through it. they do not want the economic winners to be able to make the economic policies that will continue to stop them and their kids from getting ahead. >> introduce yourself. >> i am with talking points. i have a question about collective bargaining. it seems this issue is at the forefront of the conversation. everybody was invested a couple of years ago. the president very rarely mentions collective bargaining. mitt romney does not bring it up all that often, either. are you surprised it has gone less attention? -- gotten less attention?
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>> mitt romney does not bring it up because he wants to destroy a it. -- destroy its. i think the president talks about it. he talks about a voice at work here he talks about the right to a union. does he talk about it every day? why talk about it in every speech. i am talking about the economy, i bring it up. it will be part of this election, i am sure. we will be able to get the shared prosperity aout. read it and see which when you think would be better. >> i am with the "l.a. times." could you comment on who mitt
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romney would pick as a running mate? who would light a fire under organized labor? i'm wondering if you could reflect on the role that vice president biden has played. has he been a voice for you? >> i will take the second part first. vice-president biden played a very constructive role over the years with the president. we have a great relationship with him. he understands working people. he comes out of a blue-collar family. i think he has been a real plus. people say he does this or he does not do that -- i think you guys do, too. i think he has done a great job.
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he is a good human being. he cares about this country. i really have a lot of respect for him. i do not know who mitt romney will pick. he cannot take any of the ones -- the fire they will like is to energize our side, not extinguish the energy on our side. it is his call the a will be his first major decision. we will see what happens. >> there is no one candidate he might pick that you think will -- [laughter] >> if he picked sarah palin -- [laughter] >> todd? >> [inaudible] mauld you assess the obab trade policy?
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republicans have complained. >> if you look at the architects of the american trade policy, not just obama, but the american trade policy, under bill clinton -- it has not been really good. it has not been the thing that people want. this president has spent a number of years trying to fix the three agreements that were signed. do i agree with them? no, i think they do not go far enough. they are to slanted. that is what i will say. let us look at what he has done elsewhere. he has enforced the law, unlike george bush who never would
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enforce any kind of trade laws. this guy has taken trade case after trade cases and won. winning those cases have put china back at bay, stop some of the illegal practices that they are doing. it has also put people back to work in this country. now, a trade can be a very, very positive thing. the regime that we saw undeovere last 20 years has not been the trade policy this country needs. this will be the first time the president gets to do one of his own. we will see what happens. it can be good or bad. [inaudible] >> i have a close relationship with him. i disagree with his trade policy, but i think he is a fine that.
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>> paul? >> "the examiner." i have been digging about 2016. we will have new democratic nominees. do you want biden to run? >> that is up to him. if he makes that decision, i am not going to wait until 2016. i am worried about 2012 and what happens in 2013, 14, 15. he can either help his chances or lessen them by what happens in between. i am not going to 2016 when we are here at 2012. >> what states are you guys focused on? where will most of these offers be? what will they do? do you have a percentage on the amount of growth you hope to move in obama's directed by having such a big group of volunteers?
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the non-union members -- do you have a percentage you would like to grow that on? >> first of all, there are 20 battleground states and those volunteers will be in all of them. there are six corestates that we may have more in. pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, wisconsin, nev., and florida. those are the six corestates. we already have full-time staff in those states. we will keep spreading. they will do everything. they are at work sites, talking to the union and non-union workers, and getting back to non-union workers on the issues they say are important. >> is there a certain amount of
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the vote you hope to move? >> 100%. [laughter] we are not saying there are three and i do not want to talk to you. we will try to get all of them. we will see what happens. >> i am from "the financial times." what do you make of the blame on romney for killing -- >> i relalally haven't seen the ad. what he was saying is bain capital took away my job. they encouraged outsourcing. you know what they do. they buy a company, they loaded up with debt, they use the debt to pay themselves back, the debt
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service is too big for the company, so it collapses. or they transfer it overseas. he lost his health care. he said that his wife died several months later because he lost his health care. if you lost your health care and your wife was six, back then, -- your wife was sick, they would not take you if you have a pre- existing condition. you can still get health care now. they cannot drop you when you hit the max. >> the cycle of advertisements from the super packs are more and more-. >> that is the byproduct of citizens united. it is corrosive to the democratic process. whenever you are pumping in $3
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billion in advertisements, they will not even tell you who is doing them. that is not good for democracy. we should change the system. you have a supreme court right now that encourages free-speech. i do not believe that when abraham -- jefferson and adams and been franklin were together in drafting the constitution, one of them said, you know, you have a thousand dollars out there so you get $1,000 in free speech, but i have $10,000 so i should have 10 times the amount of free speech that you have. i do not think that is part of the original equation. the supreme court says money = free speech. except when it comes to unions because they have said that you can limit the free speech of unions, although you can not limit the free speech of corporations. we will be testing some of those
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in the near future to find out if they do mean what they say in citizens united. >> ok. one last question. assuming president obama thus get a second term, what do you think the prospects are for the keystone pipeline? >> i do not think it is keystone -- it is about job creation. if he gets a second term, it is about job creation. i think you will see stuff in the hacker report. if we can invest $250 billion to $400 billion in infrastructure, you will see a drop creation during you will see things done correctly.
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creation.see job you will see things done correctly. a lot of people try to say it is either-or. either you do the project or destroy the environment. there is a way to do things both ways. you can do things without destroying the environment. we should be looking at that. doing things in a sustainable way. that project has every chance of success, doing it the right way. we want to see more job creation under barack obama. with mitt romney, it will go right back to where we were geared more tax breaks for the rich. letting in trickle-down. it does not trickle-down. it got us into the mess we currently find ourselves in. >> all right. thank you so much. see you in the year. >> we will be back. >> thank you. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012]
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