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[applause] think of the construction jobs. think of the union jobs that will be created, high wage jobs to allow us to integrate and north american energy strategy that makes us energy secure within five years. it is within our grasp. we should have rational not ridiculous regulation of fracking. open up federal lands and waters for drilling in a thoughtful way. we should let market forces a real energy strategy could add an additional one percent growth over the long haul. one percent of additional group --a decade attempt rates great something like 5 billion dollars of recurring tax revenue for government at all levels without raising taxes. it creates a burst of optimism in my mind an opportunity that
people will take and perhaps build new coalitions to discard the old way of doing things and build new coalitions for america to begin solving our other problems. the fourth thing i would suggest is that no amount of good policy will matter if we don't focus on a shared believe of strong families and faith as a backbone of any american renewal. [applause] unfortunately, we have a crisis on the family front. the latest census numbers reflect this fact. 42% out of wedlock or thread. breathtakingthe statistics that describes family life in america today. the family structure in the united states as we have known it for centuries is crumbling. those on the left call for another government program. payment.r a rule or regulation as a solution. you know the government cannot
-- the kind of people we become is determined not by the government, but by the nature of our families, churches, synagogues, schools, and colleges. he remains right. there are contact the -- providinggroups support for families. there's some policy to restore -- to provide incentives for childbearing families to give them the kind of support that they need through the tax code. elect is notm required the growth of government, but a cultural shift for the roles of families and -- as the center of who we are as a nation. transforming education and economically driven immigration system and energy policy based on north american resources and american ingenuity and committed family life over start
prosperity for many americans to what we had today. there is another important part of this. economic freedom in all of its forms will sustain prosperity over the long haul. no one understood that editor -- that better than jack. driving american supply-side economic and carrying -- tearing down the barriers in the capital leftm for those who are behind. those policies lead to exponential growth that we the leadership of ronald reagan. many people benefited from that .rowth than what we have today conservatives need to advance economic freedom for this of a vacation of the tax code and lower tax rates. these of the lost productivity, the lost jobs, misallocated capital from the convoluted tax code in the world. conservatives
need to advance economic freedom through advocating a monetary policy that does not punish savers and job creating small businesses. our current policy rewards for folio americans -- portfolio americans instead of paycheck americans. we are working to repeal obamacare and replacing it with a system that is consumer direct .id -- directed consumers need to advance economic freedom by tearing down the barriers created by nine among -- mind numbing rules. at every level of government that stifles job creation, does not reward the spirit, the determination that is necessary to be successful in life. usjack was with -- was with here today, i'm confident he would advance the american renewal by embracing freedom in every way. i want to end with a couple of
notes on my mentor. jack was a compassionate man and -- it is interesting we find ourselves as a party in a movement and a nation confronting many of the same policy challenges that jack predicted and presented solutions to decades ago. from immigration to private sector growth to education reform. i was on it when jack agreed to serve as honorary chairman of the foundation for florida's future. i asked, thinking he would say no, and he said yes. that was a great call i ever had in my life. ideas, we saw every possible one that we could. by the way, when i was fortunate enough the second time around to be governor, those were not just ideas. they were about putting them into practice to make sure that more people had a chance to be successful and live lives of purpose. second, i want to highlight that
his family was his legacy. joann was his college sweetheart and rock and political advisor. nothing made him more content than spending time on the ski slopes or the tennis courts or the bookstore with his family. and his grandkids -- i will not mention all 17 that was mentioned. [laughter] many of them are here tonight. [applause] i read that jack kemp never missed one of the focal games. i can attest as of this had to live life on the road, i know how hard that is and what an incredible commitment to family that is. knowing his love of football and family, i believe that he did it. of ballet miss a lot recitals and non-football related activities if anyone is
thinking this is a chauvinist family. [laughter] the work being taken by this addition to build upon his legacy and to advance his ideas today and in the future is really important. the fact that you are here providing financial support warms my heart. thank you. [applause] >> wow. >> do want me to do it? >> i will do it. >> fantastic.
>> jeb, governor, congratulations. >> thank you. as a token of our appreciation, we would like you to have one of jack's favorite books of his collection. >> oh wow. 1857 addition of the federalist papers. as we all know it was not the initial publication. [laughter] is 1857. the papers of alexander hamilton and john jay and james madison. they discuss ideas. >> she is always correct. >> she is. [laughter] >> they were discussing ideas about listening and persuading.
have shared with us tonight, you will continue to do that. thank you for your leadership, for your ability to communicate and be with people. we know that you will continue leading as we stand for the arts of. that the federalist papers were discussing that led to our constitution. thank you and congratulations. >> thank you. [applause] >> i do not think your family is any different than mine. >> no. [applause]
>> is anybody hungry? governor bush, thank you. now you get to enjoy your meal. we have an exciting supplement after your meal. you're here with us. enjoy your meal. hopefully the service and get through the packed house. thank you for being here. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> on this weekend's "newsmakers" tom bill sat talks about the farm bill -- tom vilsack talks about the farm bill. here's a brief preview of secretary vilsack talking about the program. spent,y dollar that is
it benefits a struggling family and benefits the economy. it generates a dollar $.85 in economic activity. it stands to reason if you can buy more at the grocery store, you will. if you can buy more, that means the grocery has to stock more. they have to purchase more and truck it to their facility. all of those are jobs in the supply chain. andlso means producers farmers and ranchers. producers have to sell more and have a market. it has an impact. what we are able to do was give folks a little extra help during a tough time. stimulate the economy most effectively. cut take somewhere over the next 10 years $11 billion out of that system will start why have
more people dependent on food stamps even as the economy improves? >> when we came into office, there were a number of states that were less than 80% of the people who were eligible who were not participating in the program. 90 c participation rate somewhere in the neighborhood of 60%-60 five percent. we have a historic high. the numbers and not necessarily a reflection of the current economic stance. systemic. they talk about the need to rebuild the middle class. you can wash the entire sunday -- watch it entire interview on sunday at 10 a.m. eastern 6 p.m. eastern here on c-span. >> what is the most important
issue congress should consider in 2014? middle a question for and high school students. make a five-seven minute documentary that shows varying points of view and include c- span video for your chance to win the grand prize of $5,000. this year we have doubled the number of winners and total prizes. entries must be in by january 20, 20 14. go to studentcam.org. >> next, a look at the mole hanh inrticle the fbi. ands about -- mole hunt fbi. it is about 40 minutes. host: david wise is sitting with me. he has written several books about intelligence gathering. you have a story in the the recent addition of "smithsonian" magazine.
set offt spy's tips one of the most self-destructive investigations in fbi history. when did this happen and how did it come about? guest: it is the first mole hunt. i broke that story. the fbi still will not talk about it. in 1962, a kgb agent in new york city walked into the fbi building in manhattan and volunteered his services. he said he was discontent and his talents were not being recognized. the fbi people said were to taking a big chance to walk into our building because you might have been seen?
he said, no, i am not worried about it. our people are meeting with your guy, dick. uh-oh. that was telling the fbi that the russians had a mole inside the fbi and the russians called him dick. the fbi launched a mole hunt to try to find dick. because they did not know his real name, they called him an sub -- unsub, which stands for unknown subject. it turned the fbi upside down for a couple of decades. they are looking for this guy. host: the year that it all
began? guest: 1962. host: was he ever caught? he or she? guest: that's an interesting story. it was a he, as far as is known. the russian was code-named fedora. as to whether or not he was telling the truth or trying to upset the fbi -- the belief was there was a mole. there were about 500 people in the new york office they were looking at. anyone of them could have been the mole. was he caught? in the 1980's, an analyst for the fbi, robert king, began to get some information when kulack
came back to new york for the second time. host: kulack being? guest: kulack being fedora. bob king found out the man had retired. they found out his name began with the letter "g." people began looking to see if they could find anyone who had retired whose name began with that letter. when you translate something
cyrillic, the russian alphabet and then retranslated, he found a match for somebody who had lived in queens and had been eased out because of a drinking problem. it was believed he was the one. he denied it. he was visited several times by fbi agents and he denied it. one of these agents believed that denial and one did not. there were other interesting aspects in this because a man named calougan wrote that he had sent some of his people to visit this man in queens because they
hoped to get more information from him. according to calougan, he tells me the man said he gave everything he knew, don't bother me anymore. host: is he still alive? the unsub, dick? guest: i do not know. host: what do they say about your story about the fbi first mole hunt? guest: even though i quote these people on the record, the fbi's official comment is we have no comment and we will not confirm there such a case.
host: nor deny it? guest: they will not comment on it. host: you have been covering these agencies for years. what you make of their response? guest: they are sensitive about the fact that they were in a traded for the first time, or so they believe. i do not want to focus attention on it. it was more of a pr comment because you have these guys telling me about the case which is in the story. host: david wise, contributed to the most recent "smithsonian" magazine. that is our spotlight this morning as we continue our series on the "washington journal."
"the inside story" and co-author government."ible before we get to phone calls, we encourage our viewers to start dialing in now. talk about what happened when the fbi learned of a mole giving secrets to the russians at the time. what does it trigger? guest: it triggered a mole hunt. when mr. -- colaug came in and volunteered his services, one thing was certain and that was he was not talking to the mole. they were reassured about that. the fbi launched an intensive mulholland that went on for decades. two people were put in charge of
it. they were senior people who were very trusted and new that they were not the mole. they began looking at the background of all of their people. he was a young agent in new york looking for a place to live. he goes down to the garage with another agent -- host: it was probably tapped. guest: you just killed my story. [laughter] i'm so sorry. guest: he starts to pick up any agent within says do not use this one.
that one is tapped. host: even the pay phone. guest: he was thinking if that law must tapped, all of the other phones were tapped. host: that is what triggered the mole hunt for several decades? guest: it was the russian walking in and saying, you have a problem. host: let's go to charles, tampa, florida, republican caller. caller: there was a book written and sold in bookstores about robert hanssen, and i.t. specialists. guest: i wrote that book. it is called "spy." host: "spy: the inside story." caller: this mole and story today is about the same man? no.it was about the first -- no.
it was about the first mole hunt in the fbi. after that, there were at least three. there was a man named richard miller and a man named earl pitts. then there was robert hanssen, who was sentenced to life in prison. i was writing about the very first mole, a man named dick. caller: was their concern about the first mole that you wrote about? does this indicate there may be other people having secrets to the other agencies in the -- outside of the fbi. guest: they always have to suspect there might be some sort of internal problem.
there is always a continuing concern. not so much anymore about the first mulholland because that was so many years ago. it is a continuing concern. both agencies have important counterintelligence functions. host: could happen today? guest: it could happen today. the russians still have a spy agency. it is called the svr. they just change the initials from kgb to svr. they do some spying, but they are more internal. they have a setup like we do. they have an inexorable service like the cia and an internal
service called the fsb. host: connecticut, democratic caller. caller: there is a book by timothy wiener called "enemies: a history of the fbi." they discussed the moles and things leading up to 9/11, the fbi was criminally negligent because of things that occurred in 2001. that is not what i wanted to talk about. i want to talk about the fact that the nsa surveillance has been going on further than the bush era.
it is been going back to j edgar hoover when they eavesdrop on martin luther king, jr. and they blackmailed him. i was wondering if you could speak on that. thank you. guest: i do not know what your question is, exactly, but the nsa, which did not exist until 1952 -- the nsa has gone beyond what anyone realized. it's hard to believe a terrorist would call her up and say i am a terrorist, i thought you would i thought i would let you know that we are going to blow up a building. host: we make of the revelations overall of the work that the nsa
is doing -- what do you make of the revelations overall of what the work that the nsa is doing? guest: the nsa is an important agency. it seems they have gone beyond what anyone suspected they could be doing. i do not think their collection of metadata is not over her, but logged. -- not overheard, but logged. that seems to be going beyond what is necessary. if they have a bad guy, they can put in for a warrant. they will get a warrant in almost every case to wiretap that person. they do not need to know that i was talking to my brother or my aunt on the phone.
if they suspect you or they suspect me, they can get a warrant and they can wiretap her phone. they do not need to wiretap every phone in the world. it is mind-boggling to think about the amount of data that is. host: several comments were made by keith alexander and he made the case that what they do helps agencies like the fbi. i want to show you and get your response. [video clip] >> we are only part of the intelligence agency that does that. the fbi is a tremendous partner in the homeland. they do great work. our job is to give them the information we see coming from
overseas into the united states. nsa is a tremendous foreign intelligence capability to see things that are going on in the united states and help people understand what that means. the fbi is pretty busy. they have a lot of stuff going on. if you see something critical, we can tell them that piece of information is critical, go after that first. guest: as i said, the idea that they're going to help the fbi by logging every phone call made by every american, which they did and do as far as i know, i do not see how that is helping the fbi. it is almost as though the nsa
is saying, we are doing this because we can. host: brookfield, connecticut, independent caller. hi, phil. caller: one of my favorite books was i chose freedom. i was wondering if you had ever run into the author or knew of his work? guest: i've heard of the book, but i have not met the gentleman. host: phil, do you have a follow-up? caller: no, it was just a fascinating tale of living in the united states, being pursued by the kgb. host: what about the history here between russia and the united states and spying on each other? why are you interested in it and what do you make from this report and the smithsonian magazine? caller: i love it. it shows you that the profession is never going to go away.
it's interesting, the naivety of the media. it is still being denied. guest: the media does not pretend it never happened. witness my story in the current "smithsonian." host: we will move on. if you could speak a little bit about the history. the first mole hunt begins in 1962. what is happening at this time in our history between russia and the united states question mark -- russia and the united states? how prevalent is it of russia spying on the united states and vice versa? guest: the cold war was fought largely by intelligence agencies.
that was principally the war between the cia and the russian svr. they are not located in the famous square in downtown moscow. they are located on the ring road. i was the first western reporter allowed in. i spent an evening interviewing a general there. it was interesting. i asked him about the future of the soviet union and russia, it was just before the collapse of the soviet union. he predicted a lot of trouble in the republics in the south. republics.uslim the war in chechnya came
afterwards. he spoke perfect english although he had never lived in this country or an english- speaking country. that was impressive. the war between the agencies went on in washington, moscow, it was difficult for the american cia people in moscow to meet people. the russian kgb people were effective in surveilling the embassy were most of them were stationed. if a cia person stepped foot outside the embassy, six kgb guys or following them. sometimes they used burst transmitters -- very fast transmitters. other cases, old-fashioned spying modes, making a mark on a
lamp post or going to a dead drop, a hiding place to pick up documents. sometimes they turn away the russian volunteers who had good information, but thought maybe they were dangles and they were really fakes. did people were turned away for -- good people were turned away for several occasions. the cia managed to recruit effective people. and of them were executed as a result -- 10 of them were executed as a result when their identities were betrayed. their betrayer was offered money by the kgb for information. it was an active spy work. host: does it continue today? guest: it does continue. the initials have changed, but not the war. host: what about the tactics? guest: tactics have changed somewhat.
they still use old-fashioned methods. they are also using computer technology in ways that they can hide messages in what look like an innocuous picture. these were people posing as americans who have been specially trained to do that. some of them lived ordinary lives in new jersey or other places, and for all the world and their neighbors knew, they were ordinary americans, but they were russian spies. host: the stories we heard and read about, what are some of the names from 2010? guest: one of the most famous names was anna chapman. she got a medal from vladimir
putin and became the russian equivalent of playboy or penthouse. she has her own tv show now. she was posing as a real estate agent and living in new york. nobody knew she was a russian spy. host: robert, west virginia, republican caller. go ahead. caller: i would like to ask if he has any knowledge of us possibly training russian troops in the carolinas on marine bases? guest: no, i do not. host: why do you ask? caller: i ask for security reasons.
why will be be training russian troops -- why would we be training russian troops? we have no reason to train russian troops in our states. guest: i have no knowledge of that. i am sorry. host: will, independent caller. caller: good to see you. appreciate all that c-span is doing for us. we want to ask our guests some very important questions and hope we get good, honest remarks from him. he is going back to 1962, right before kennedy was assassinated. are you familiar with the word whistleblower? he has so much knowledge about all of the surveillance intelligence and all of this, he
should have a lot to talk about about history. i wish you could tell us why -- you can go on youtube and you have more disclosure, more accountability, and a lot more knowledge in any of the public outcries, radio, whatever. what i would like to ask -- do you think there was a conspiracy with john f. kennedy and the corruption between j edgar hoover and a cia cabinet member going on at the same time. president kennedy was trying to break down the secret organization and all the secrecy going on in the background. he was set up -- the next thing you know, the man was assassinated. it becomes history.
guest: it may be that you have been watching oliver stone's movie, too often. my personal opinion is there was no conspiracy. that is not propped miller -- that is not a popular opinion with some people. that is just my personal opinion. we may never know the truth, but on the face of it, it appears it is what the majority of people think that there was a lone assassin. host: back to your piece in the "smithsonian." how did you come across this story? guest: i cannot talk about that. [laughter] i was able to confirm all the details.
i know a lot of people who are in that business or who had retired from that business. they know me. they trust my ability to try to get the facts unvarnished to try to write a very straight story. i do not have an ax to grind, i just want to tell what happened. that is why people talk to me. host: how long did it take people from discovering this to put it into print? guest: it seems it took the better part of the year to confirm it, the research, the editing. my editor worked very closely with me. there was a whole process involved.
first you get the story, and then you have to get into print. host: might this be another book? guest: you never know, i don't think so. host: his report deals with the first ever mole hunt within the fbi. mole hunt by david wise. "when the fbi spent decades hunting for a soviet spy on its staff." caller: i have a couple of comments and maybe a question. during the time i was in the marine corps, i ran into a program where we had put people in foreign countries, czechoslovakia, hungary, poland,
bulgaria, and they spoke the language and they were living as citizens of those countries and collecting intelligence on us. i'm not positive on the code name. that has been going on for years. we have been collecting intelligence from our embassies and on top of everybody else's embassies, collecting some type of intelligence. we have a staff of snoops and we had -- people.
i do not know if that is true or not. we had them coming in for debriefings all the time. they were very informative. the other thing -- we have been doing this -- we had the ability to listen when i was with the agency. i won't with the agency in 1973, but we have the ability to listen through walls, windows, curtains. the russians did it to us, that is why we had to send cvs into the moscow embassy. now these politicians are saying things like this is outrageous. host: let me leave it there.
what you make of his comments? guest: very interesting comments. this ties in with what i said earlier. it is difficult for the intelligence agency to operate in moscow because of the kgb, now the fsb. i was not aware that we put illegal's into the eastern lock in russia. -- block in russia. i think that would be hard to do. perhaps you are correct. i do not know. host: grant, washington, d.c. independent caller. guest: given his experience, behind the chinese and behind the soviets, you have israeli spies who are involved in nuclear spying on the united
states. the fbi will not release a single file of the investigations of these israeli nuclear spies who have targeted the united states. it seems there is a pattern of not allowing americans to review those investigations to see whether they were bona fide. there is a story about israel that goes on and on. host: where was that? where did you find that? caller: that was published on information clearinghouse. it is an online blog news. guest: i had not heard that. in the present climate where there is sensitivity about spying on allies or vice versa,
it would be understandable why not much is being said. i do not know for which you are saying is accurate. i have not seen that story. there's a lot of information on the internet, not all of it is accurate. this may be, but i don't know. host: what about the statement that the president was not aware that the nsa was tapping the phone of government leaders? guest: they said the president was generally aware of what the nsa was doing, but they have not specifically said he has known about -- that he knew about merkel or other allied leaders. it is probably true. critics will say, why didn't he know. you cannot win. it is a catch-22. they never expected to have snowden's revelations all over
the place. it means there is almost an end to secrecy. first you had the wiki leaks, private manning, and now you have edward snowden who has caused an international uproar. x you wonder whether the government can preserve some of the secrets -- it makes you wonder whether the government can preserve some of these secrets. there are young people who have other ideas and they are willing to take the risk of putting them out. it is an interesting and relatively new development that makes it hard. some secrets should be kept, but it is a question of degree. it looks as though the nsa was doing too much. they have to do some things, obviously. there has to be a balance between security and freedom.
we could live in a police state where the government knew everything. there has to be a balance between what the government needs to do and our own freedom and civil liberties and rights. they happen to be guerin teed in guaranteed in a thing called the constitution of the united states. host: is glenn greenwald a journalist or an activist? guest: you have to ask him erie -- ask him. i think he is a little bit of both. host: why do you say that? guest: he made no secret that he has a point of view. that means he is an activist. he was also writing for "the guardian." that is a liberal, leftish paper which has done some very good work. i believe he is leaving there or has left to work on a new venture with the gentleman who started ebay. host: brian, wilmington, north carolina, independent caller. caller: i have been listening to
what you have been saying about you are not sure if other countries have been doing the same sleeper agent thing. is it more practical to have these boots on the ground? i feel it is more contain information, more relevant and practical to have roots on the ground. -- boots on the ground. it is more expansive. it is very broad when you do the wiretapping. which is more relevant for the spy world? guest: it is tempting to think illegals are the better way to go. i do not believe in the election of the metadata in this country. we have other mechanisms to wiretap you go through the courts.
the problem with illegals -- they did not get very much. there were 10 of them here and that was an unusual number. usually the russians would have one or two, but 10 is a big number. you think they must have stolen all kinds of stuff, but there is no evidence they did. living out in montclair, new jersey, where there are not too many national security secrets. i do not think there a lot of secrets. it is tempting to think illegals are the solution. there is no evidence in this case that they came up with anything worth talking about. host: how you feel about outsourcing of fbi, nsa, and homeland security.
would we be better serve the security services were in house? guest: contractors are hired because they do not have enough people to do some of this work in-house. we have seen that the company that was doing the vetting of these contractors was overburdened. one woman in los angeles had to cover eight people a day. if you have driven around los angeles, that is not easy to do. the people doing the vetting, obviously in the case of snowden, he slipped through the cracks. when you use contractors, there may be a tendency to use contractors to that the contractors. to vet the contractors. host: we have a couple of minutes left. a soviet spy had tipped off the fbi agency and set off with david weiss calls the most self-
destructive investigation in fbi history. barry, massachusetts. hi, barry. caller: hello. with the thousands of witnesses, architects, engineers, explosive experts that have come out providing evidence that the 9/11 commission is more fiction than fact, why haven't the public figures come out and demanded a new investigation because this is not opinion. it is physics. it is scientific fact that we are being lied to. host: have you looked into the 9/11 attacks? guest: i have.
there are some flaws and it which i have written about. i think on the whole, considering the time frame and the fact that it was close to the event, they did a fairly good job. no one has convinced me what the lies are. there was poor coodination between the cia and fbi. the commission talks about that -- that. host: you talk about when you first got the tip, it took you over a year to confirm the details. what surprised you along the way? guest: what surprised me was the willingness of so many former fbi officers, officials, agents to talk to me about it.
many of these people i knew and knew well. i was not surprised that they would trust me, but there were some that i made cold calls. i said i'm doing this, some of them have heard about my books or read my books. others probably had not. i think it was the passage of time and the feeling that hey, it is ok to talk about this. it goes back to 1962. it won on into the 70 -- into the 1970's and 1980's. the bureau was not willing to talk about it at all or to admit there was such a case. host: you call it a self- destructive investigation, why?
guest: i did not write that headline, but i would agree with it. there were a lot of people in the new york office where the mulholland was centered. they felt they were being distracted from their job of intelligence gathering. host: it is the october edition of the smithsonian magazine. thank you graham much for your -- thank you very much for your time. >> thank you. c cook will talk about the 2014 midterm election. businessat, boomer week with how today stock market is performing compared to when ronald reagan was in office. and the latest update in syria, come including efforts to locate the chemical weapons.
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>> please be seated. >> ladies and gentlemen, let us begin today by acknowledging a great friend of this institution , mrs. heather foley. [applause] mrs. foley, thank you for giving us this chance to try to express the depth of gratitude that we owe to tom. , theglish poet once wrote noblest work of god is an honest man. well, tom foley was that and
more. a leader grounded indecency and principal, he brought honor to himself, to his family and to this house. and he did all these things a public servant should do and frankly did them many then the rest -- ended them better than many of the rest. especially those who didn't share his politics. senator bob dole, who around the time tom became speaker called him a man of total integrity. simpson, who said tom can tell you to go to hell and make you feel good about going there. [laughter] henry hyde, as fierce a conservative as they come said of the man, i wish he were a republican. there is also this from resident george h w bush, tom foley represented the very best in
public service and our political .ystem one class act tipping his hat to another. tom service and record is impressive. as is the sequence of his rise. committee chairman, majority whip, majority leader and speaker. fairness, sense of his port in the storm bearing that will always stand out for me. it's how he held this institution together at a very difficult time, and it is why those who come after us who seek to know what it means when we use that phrase man of the house, or just what it means to leave something behind, should name thomas s foley. today we gather in the old hall, joined by presidents, vice
presidents, speakers, so many of our colleagues and diplomats that tom served with and to reminisce about this man's service and a toast to his life. welcome and thank you all for being here. [applause] >> let us pray. god of heaven and earth, the work of your hands is made known in your bountiful creation and in the lives of those who faithfully live in your grace. today we especially remember the son and work of tom foley, of the very proud city of spokane. his commitment to furthering education in his own district, washington's fifth, is testified library at gonzaga
university, his alma mater. it is named in honor of his parents who clearly did something right in raising such a son. tom foley was a modest man whose impact on the public wheel beyond his district far exceeded any projection of ego strength. may we all be inspired by his example to be men and women, impelled to improve the lives and prospects of our fellow citizens while eschewing any honor or glory for ourselves. did, do our part to increase understanding and respect a cross-cultural divides. the present with us this day oh god as we mark his life and remember his legacy, bless this
gathering and comfort us as we comfort one another in remembering a great american and a genuinely good man. a man. men. >> tom fuller was my friend, mentor and colleague in the house of representatives. i first met tom foley at the university of washington law school in 1965 during his freshman term. he was a brilliant young man with a warm and friendly smile. it was his intellect and love for this country that made him an outstanding leader. he served as chairman of the house agriculture committee and worked hard on the farm bill and food stamp legislation, bringing these two issues together allowed chairman foley to build support in the house for both. tom believed in and practiced
civility and bipartisanship. his view was that after the elections were over, democrats and republicans should work together to deal with the national legislative agenda. seeing tom foley said strong leadership qualities and belief in getting things done for the american people, speaker o'neill appointed tom to be the majority whip. he was then unanimously elected to be our majority leader and then hours speaker in 1989. as speaker, tom worked closely with bob michael the republican leader from 1989-1995. they remained great friends after they left congress. later, president clinton named speaker foley to be our ambassador to japan. as a staffer to senator warren g magnuson, i worked with tom on the spokane's world's fair in 1970 four. this project created dramatic change for spokane, the largest city in the fifth district. tom was so proud to represent the people of the fifth
congressional district for 30 years. he always thought this was his most important responsibility. it was a great honor for me to tom foley supported me in my campaign for congress in 1976. i was then privileged to work with him and to receive the support is a member of the house. i will always thank him for being such a good mentor. we will always remember the legacy of tom foley. he believed in the congress and he believed that this institution could produce positive results for the american people. his loving wife heather supported him throughout his career and took wonderful care of him during his long illness. heather, and you, the entire foley family. [applause] >> good afternoon. i am a housermott,
member from washington's seventh congressional district which is mostly seattle. i knew tom foley for more than 40 years and throughout that time he was a wonderful friend and a sage mentor. 1971 when i was a freshman state legislator, he took me out to dinner in seattle and suggested i run for congress. i was pleased by his regard for my career, but i knew better since i was a freshman legislator. so i rejected it and ran for governor. i got creamed. [laughter] tom never said a word. to thisd, i return legislature and learn as much as i could about the reality of governing effectively in the challenges of legislating well. my family ran for congress in 1988, tom was majority leader of the house. as i arrived for his first term in 1989, tom was about to become speaker. i know now that he was about to
become the last speaker of the whole house. he believed that the speaker was a speaker for the whole house and he lived that to his very core. today, many will note tom's devotion to the house of representatives and is learned knowledge of the history of this organization. sitting down with, letting them tell stories you learned enormous amounts. he appreciated the role of the house and a balanced structure of government. he knew well the challenge of maintaining that fragile balance. so when he assumed the speakership, he brought to it a scholar step of understanding any disciples passion. he led the house of fairness and comedy, a style of leadership we -- we recently have look for it but we have not seen what tom was able to do with both sides. tom understood that the house could not perform its constitutional function without evenhandedness and respect of
the rule of the minority. tom is a democrat, no question about it. he was very clear about why he was a democrat. he believed in the legitimacy and value of government. he knew that governments duty was to improve the lives of as acans and he saw it noble obligation and worthy of one's very best efforts at any time. when he was speaker, he abandoned none of these principles. he added to them a very nuanced appreciation of the role of speaker and his certainty that the leadership of the house required not a flame throwing partisan, but a measured steady pilot enlightened by an unmatched knowledge of and love for the house of representatives. was aley's district sprawling, largely rural slot of eastern washington, yet is essentially very conservative voters reelected him for 30 years. they took an urban internationalist and sent him
back again and again. they did so, and that was a persists in reaffirmation of his legislative skills and his deep connection with the people of the fifth. he always started his speech by saying my highest honor is to be elected congressman from the fifth district. i believe that the voters recognized him as a great american. we shared a sense of right irish irish humor,ry but tom zwick was all his own. he was an extraordinary person and an irreplaceable friend. i am grateful to have known him. rest in peace. [applause]
>> mrs. foley, bless you. there was a great minister, scholar and abolitionist who lived in new england in the 19th century. his names was james freeman clarke and he once made the statement. said, thinks he only of the next election. the statesman thinks of the next generation. foley was a true statesman. he believed it was an honor to serve the public good and he brought respect for the dignity of our democracy and the inspiration of our mandate of the nation to every moment of
his service. he believed it was our calling as members of the congress to do what we could to preserve and help create a more perfect union that has been in the making for almost 300 years. in all of my years knowing speaker foley and seeing him on , i never heard this man, this good man speak or say a bad word about anyone. i just have a feeling that he was one who believes if you confess something good about , don't say anything at all. as a leader he believed he should build and not tear down. reconcile and not divide.
he stood for the principles of diplomacy and mutual respect, even toward his opposition. he did not subscribe to the politics of personal destruction. speaker of the representative of the great state of washington, as a legislator was bigger than his own personal value. he wanted to leave a record of accomplishment that would have a lasting impact on our society for generations to come. when he left the speaker's chair, it was the end of an era in our history. maybe, just maybe his passing in this moment in our history is an eloquent reminder of one simple truth. no leader is greater than the cause he serves and when our
lives are over we will be remembered not for fame or fortune, but for how we helped or how we harmed the dignity of all human kind. i will never forget this principled man who led by example and struggle to turn the in congress back to structured debate on the issues. every leader whether in politics or in the larger society, but every leader in america to do -- would do well to take a page from tom foley's book. [applause]
>> heather, mr. president, mr. president, mr. vice president, mr. vice president, how wonderful that speaker foley has two presidents, two vice presidents and the good wishes of president george herbert as our distinguished speaker quoted earlier. he probably could not imagine that when he came to the floor on the first day to make his first floor speech. he said, a big service is a free gift of a free people and a challenge for all of us in public life to do what we can to make our service useful for those references here. few fulfilled the charge with more courage, moral conviction, more civility than he. i take great pride in the fact that he is the first speaker to hail from west of the rocky
mountains. he brought to congress a fresh perspective and a powerful voice that would open doors of leadership to members who represent the diversity of our country. legendarycampaign was in its civility. before the election was even over, his opponent, congressman walt oran released a statement calling the campaign the cleanest he had ever seen in his 22 years in office. spirit, when tom foley came to congress as speaker foley, he made campaign finance reform a priority. he sent legislation to the president's desk that would ensure that our democracy was a government of, by and for the people. unfortunately we could not override the president's veto, but speaker foley's commitment to adjust democracy and fair election served us as an enduring challenge to this day. known for his ability to build
consensus, speaker foley never compromised on the conviction to do right by the american people. his fairchild air force base in his district, this longtime defender of gun rights saw the need for sensible gun violence prevention laws. speaker foley brought that bill to the floor could he helped enact it. it would not be well received in his district. but he did what he believed and he did it with courage. he matched that dedication to principle and courage for the gift for -- with a gift for diplomacy. nearly 20 years ago, i was privileged, i don't know why i was on the list, but i was invited to attend a special dinner at the british embassy to honor speaker foley for his leadership. as fate would have it, president
clinton, that was a day that you announce you're going to drag -- to grant a temporary visa to gerry adams. just a coincidence. a list to say, the mood of the evening was tense, speaker foley grace,s a characteristic bullying this moment was crucial to delivering an ever elusive peace to northern ireland. that remarkable ability to build bridges across cross great divides serve him as well as speaker and later as you s ambassador to japan. something he took great pride in. his judgment was impeccable and was respected. many of us benefited from it trade in september 2008, i attended a g8 meeting of heads of parliament or speakers or whatever they're called. all the participants were
invited to lay a wreath at the hiroshima east memorial. i immediately called ambassador to ask what i should do. he replied, you must participate. you be the highest-ranking american official up until then to lay a wreath at the memorial. you cannot say no. now that may seem easy now, but at the time that was very strong judgment. such was the nature of the great man who believed above all for the purpose of public service. respect.ut diplomat, leader, speaker, tom foley was a quintessential champion of the common good. he spoke for the house he led and the country he so loved. in his farewell speech of the
house he said, congress is a place where come together to speak the voices of america. it is a voice that is sound to echo resoundingly throughout the world. heather, i hope his comfort to you that so many people mourn your loss about the world and are praying for you at this sad time. to you heather and to the foley family, thank you for sharing tom with a grateful nation. his voice will forever echo in our hearts to all who strive to make a difference through public service. as we count our blessings as a nation, we know that god truly blessed america with the life of leader tom foley. [applause]
>> thank you all for being here. and heather, we honor you today. you were there all along guiding and accompanying tom across all the peaks and the valleys right to the end. we thank you for your spirit, your generosity and your example which enlivened this house as well as your own for many years. welcome back. now given tom's famous equanimity, it is somewhat ironic that he ran for congress in the first place. he actually did it in a moment of anger. the day was july 16, 1964.
the beatles had just returned to liverpool after their first u.s. tour. president johnson had recently signed the civil rights act and was on his way to a landslide victory that november. and a 35-year-old tom foley was having lunch at the spokane club in downtown spokane. a gifted lawyer from a prominent local family and trusted aid to scoop jackson. tom mentioned to the guys he was eating lunch with that he was thinking seriously about running for congress not this time but , the next time around. at which .1 of his lunch companions loudly dismissed the idea out of hand and said he'll never do it. it.nd said you'll never do
you're like all young people. you think the party is going to come to you with a tiffany tray and an engraved card and say please, we humbly beg you, run for congress. and that isn't the way it happens. people get to congress by wanting to run for congress. you've got excuses this year and you'll have excuses next year and the year after that. well, tom didn't like this little piece of armchair psychology one bit and he was determined to prove them wrong. so he got up from the table and walked over to the library across the hall, stuffed himself into a phone booth and called western union. within minutes a telegram had been sent to washington saying tom had just resigned his job and was headed to olympia to file for a run. then tom called his bank and found out he didn't have any money. his cousin hank had to loan him
the filing fee. oh, and the filing deadline was the next day. so tom had no cash, no plan and virtually no time. but he had the smarts. he had a sterling reputation. he had the backing of senator jackson and now he had the motivation. and he did it and for the next three decades thomas foley would devote his life to the people of eastern washington's fifth congressional district with grace, intelligence, wit and a profound respect for others including his political adversaries and an abiding gratitude for the trust and confidence of the people he was elected to serve. tom always looked the part.
even his classmates at high school called him the senator. and i dare say if most americans were asked to conjure up the image of a congressman, the man they would like to see would be him. to most people it seemed as though tom were born to serve here. and in a remarkable 30 year congressional career, he proved they were right. he proved that he didn't just look the part, he knew the part and he played it well. >> tom and i weren't on the same side on most issues. his faith in government was a little more robust than mine. but we shared a deep respect for the institution and a belief that working with the other side, particularly at a time of divided government is no heresy when it enables you to achieve some good for the nation.
that kind of comedy is sometimes viewed as old fashioned around here but that's never been true. the parties have always disagreed but it hasn't kept them from working together from time to time to solve problems that we all recognize. tom knew that. he practiced it. he took flak from time to time for being a little too friendly with republicans but i don't think he ever doubted the wisdom of his approach even in defeat. as tom often said, the first vote you need to earn is your own. it was a principle that served him very well. and it's one that i think says a lot about what the legacy of the gentleman from spokane will be. we honor his service and his memory. may we draw all the right lessons from both.
[applause] >> for years i served in the house of representatives for tom foley. during the time i served there he was majority whip. i also served with the man that would succeed spoker foley as speaker of the house, newt gingrich. newt and i don't agree on too much but when he wrote in last week's time magazine that tom foley was a pragmatic man, a person of great integrity and a genuine patriot, i couldn't agree more. this is what speaker gingrich
wrote and i quote i have nothing but fond memories of serving with tom foley. we worked together when we could, competed when we had to and fought for the national interest. i too have fond memories of my time serving in the house with tom foley. i offer my condolences to heather who as we all know has strong voice in what we want on in the house at least when i was there. she was tremendous, always there available to help us. and she was his greatest influence politically in his whole life. tom learned his practical style of politics from his mentors, senator scoop jackson and warren magnuson, who were both from the state of washington. speaker foley gained his
pragmatism from norm dick and others as a member and then chairman of the house agriculture committee, one of the chamber's most bipartisan committees. but i credit much of tom's down to earth neon nor to his western -- down-to-earth demeanor to his western up bringing. he was the first speaker to the house of representatives to be born west of the rocky mountains. he cut an opposing figure. he was a big man physically and had this wonderful smile and great voice. he was always gracious to young members like me. one day i reflect back as we get a little older and we've all had that experience for most of us, you can't see like you used to. and somehow he didn't bring his reading glasses with him. and he was desperate. he was managing the floor and he he had to read there. he was managing the floor and he couldn't see so i was the first person he saw. finally some glasses, i don't
care where you get them. i wanted to adhere to him -- to his wishes. i didn't care where i got them. somebody left them laying on a desk and i grabbed them. he was so happy to get those glasses because he just couldn't see and he needed to see. well, it was my honor and pleasure to find him some glasses to help him see that day. but a vision is where the country needed to go. he always saw clearly. [applause] the eternal father -- a leader
>> heather, members of the family and president clinton and obama and all my former colleagues and friends of tom, all of you, it was my good fortune to visit a few days -- to have visited tom with my former right-hand man billy pitts a few days before tom died. i'm so grateful heather for making that visit possible. we thought it was going to be just a visit of a couple of minutes and it ended up we were speaking for an hour about the days gone by.
not unlike so many others we had relationship of we both more than 40 years. ourothwere able to say piece in an atmosphere of mutual respect, open mindedness and most of all trust. as i said in an article in "the post" the other day, when tom became speaker, he suggested that we get together once a week and talk over the affairs of the house, one week in my office and the next in his. something that had never been done before. while we disagreed over policy and jousted with each politically, the meetings were highly productive because underlying them was the faith and trust we had in each other. we could talk about anything knowing that our discussions would remain private unless we decided otherwise. i don't think there is anything
more important in the relationship between political leaders than trust. never was that bond tested more than it was in january 1991 when i implored tom to bring to the house floor a resolution that steve solarrs of new york and i had introduced authorized the then president bush to engage military action in operation desert storm to drive sadam -- saddam hussein out of kuwait. i was convinced that tom opposed military intervention and i know that a good many of his caucus were strongly opposed as well. >> it was an exercise of political courage and personal decency for tom to agree to bring the resolution up for an open debate and record a vote under those circumstances but he did.
we had one of the most spirited but civil and informative debates in which i had been privileged to participate in all my 38 years in congress. we prevailed and the final outcome that day but i would have been proud of the house and proud of our speaker regardless because the house demonstrated to the world that it was truly a deliberative and democratic body. tom and i always struggled to find common ground between our two sides when there were issues upon which we could not agree, we could at least use common courtesy in the way we conducted our politics. that isn't just good manners, it's good politics. but win, lose or compromise, the way we argue can be as important in the long run as the decisions we reach. i so admire tom's grace and civility.
i also admired his understanding and natural culture of the institution. he was so dedicated to its preservation and protection. tom was chosen to lead the house in a very difficult time. through it all he was a gentleman of the house and a fair and honest broker and a worthy adversary. and maybe we both knew that our days were numbered. we were too conditioned by our personal and political up upbringing to assume that we had the market cornered on political principle or partisan superiority. we knew there would be a distinction and separation between campaigning for office and serving in office. we were i guess pupils of the old school.
tom knew that a house member has three essential jobs, to deliberate, to debate and to be effective. he knew that if we wanted to be effective in the house you just can't go around shouting your principles. you have to subject those principles to the test of open debate against those who do not share those principles. but true debate is not possible unless the golden rule is applied which simply means that you treat your fellow members the way you yourself want to be treated. tom believed in that rule. and he practiced it from the day he came to the house and all during his time as speaker of the house. tom foley was proud to be a member of this house. i share that deep pride in this great institution and i guess that is one reason we were able
to work together. we both saw the house of representatives not as a necessary evil but as one of the great creations of a free people. on our last days in congress on november 29, 1994, tom did me the great honor of inviting me to the speaker's podium to preside over the house while he gave his remarks from the well. incidentally, that was the first time in 40 years a republican had been on that roster. when we stood side by side at the podium on that last day of the 103rd congress, we knew we
were icons of a bygone era. as we visited for the last time 20 years later, i think we felt good about that. we both took great pride in knowing we had made things happen that we found good ways to solve difficult problems and make the house a working institution. now tom takes his place among the greats of public service. immortalized in this hall of statues. he is most worthy of a presence here. i know because of his great love for this institution that his spirit will dwell here forever. i only hope that the legislators who now walk through here each day so consumed by the here and -- by the here and now will feel his spirit, learn from it and be humbled by it. that's what i have to say in honor of my dear friend tom foley.
we thank him for those remarks. [applause] heather, i thank you and mr. speaker i thank you for giving those of us who worked with, knew and cared about tom the chance to be here today. i thank you for all you did to make his work possible and better. mr. president thank you for being here and vice president and all the others who have spoken before me. shortly after i was elected president i invited speaker foley to come to arkansas to see me to tell me everything i didn't know that was about to happen to me. which tom foley proceeded to do in that calm, restrained
balanced lyrical way. he told me not to be lulled by bob michael's friendliness, that he was a very tough adversary but i could make a deal with him. he told me not to be intimidated mr. speaker by your bellicosity because you were a brilliant politician but at the end we would find a way to do business. in the end he turned to be right about both things. his leadership made possible things that matter to me a lot. being president is a matter of trying to do what you promised to do when you ran, trying to respond to legitimate impulses that are coming out of the political system and trying to deal with the unanticipated
developments. and if you ignore any of them, you cannot prevail. and if you can't work with the congress, it's very difficult. tom foley therefore was pivotal in our landslide victory for my economic and deficit reduction package, we won by one vote. that was made possible by the speaker and everybody else that voted for it. but also we celebrated the 20th anniversary of the family medical leave law, 20th anniversary of america core. they are part of the pillars of our sense of common citizenship. i've had republicans and democrats come up to me and tell me what a difference the family leave law made for them. young people who belong to both
political party who is believed in citizen service and participated in america corp. he helped make those things possible too. and one of the things that i always appreciated about him and marveled was how he could be brutally honest in the kindest way. it is true as leader pelosi said that he had had a conversion of sorts on the whole question of assault weapons and because of an experience he had. but he was very clear headed. he told me when we succeeded in no small measure thanks for the leadership of senator biden and putting the assault weapons ban back into the crime bill. he said you can leave this in here but there will be a lot of blood on the floor if you pass this.
many of us will not survive. and i'll never forget the argument i had with him. i said tom i'm from arkansas. both my senators voted for this. i'm going to carry it next time. he said in four years, it's the same thing with your economic plan. people will see that it works and people will see they didn't lose their guns and they still got to defend their homes and go hunting and be in sport shooting contests but we will all have to run before they know any of that. we have enough uncertainty now. if you put that in there, there will be a lot of carnage and i thought he was wrong but he was right. and he lost that election by 4,000 votes. i'd be a wealthy man if i had a dollar for every time in the last 20 years i have found my mind drawn to that conversation.
was it worth his public service? we had eight years of declining violent crime for the first time in the history of the country. prove that it didn't interfere with people's second amendment rights. but the price was high. what i want to tell you is appropriate today is that tom was, ass nice as he civil as he was, as much as he loved his colleagues of both guy.es, was one tough this is a man who took up martial arts in the 60s. not that i am there, i respect it even more. [laughter] risked the broken bones in the torn ligament's. he was tough.
and he walked clear eyed into the house and we put those votes together and the crime bill and those of us who supported it at least think america is much better off as a thatt trade but he knew even when the spirit of bipartisanship and compromise, being in public service and making difficult decisions was inevitable and not free. and he paid the price. before i came here i had read all the letters that tom foley and i wrote to each other. that is a great thing about a library you get to dig that stuff up. [laughter] readsere's the one that -- that means the most to me, that says the most about him. he loved being in the house. time, buto lose any
it really hurts if you're the speaker. , turnednew his district out way better than i did. at least 4000 votes better than i did. november 29, 1994. this letter was written to me on november the 16th 1994. signed by tom foley and take apart and bob michael and newt gingrich. that the administration sent to the lame duck session of congress the legislation to implement the general agreement trade's whichd i believe has made a eager role in lifting more people out of poverty in extreme circumstances in your countries than anyone
else. he was in short dying inside, heartbroken and he still showed up for work. and he still believed that the purpose of political service was to get the show on the road. i will never forget this letter as long as i live. was hurt, too. he was going from the majority to the minority, but tom foley had lost his seat in a district he loved. thelked to him about wrinkles and curves of that district economic times. but he was doing his job. him to go to japan just as asked vice president mondale to go to japan for a very simple reason. conflict theyime became one of our greatest allies and one of the greatest forces for democracy and security and freedom and growth in the world.
they had a tough time in the 1990s. they had their collapse well before we did. that theays believed rest of the world was underestimating the japanese people, their brilliance, their creativity, their technology, their resilience. i wanted them to know that america still cared. was there anddale when tom foley was there, the new america cared. so i leave you with this. i think they had a good time there. i think they enjoyed it. i know he did. there were seven japanese prime ministers in my eight years as president. we are not the only people that have turmoil, folks. the best politician was the prime minister. tragically, as a young man, he had a stroke. he endured for 43 days after his stroke.
when he died, in a busy world full of things to do, it was something an anti-climax. i was appalled when i was the only leader of a major country to come to his funeral. i flew to japan so i can go. i liked him and admired him and thought he had set forth a direction that gave japan the best chance they had to succeed until mr. abbe took office. at the end of the funeral, young japanese women appeared with trays of flowers. his ashes were on a high wall totally made of flowers of the rising sun. every person there beginning with his wife went up and bowed to his ashes and put a flower on the table until thousands of flowers were there, creating a
great cloud. he was succeeded as prime minister by one of his close allies and the allies said this. tom foley and i stayed there for hours and then we went home and watched the rest of it on television until every person had put their flower there. a testimony to the importance of citizenship. and believing in the institutions of your country. the current prime minister said this of his friend. i wonder if he ever dreamed. if he did, i wonder what his dreams were. whatever they were, i hope they all have now come true. i did not know tom foley well enough to know if he ever dreamed or if he did, what he dreamed.
but i know when he sat with me that day and watched the sacred experience, i saw the well of common humanity we all share across all of our interesting differences. he gave his life to our country. i hope his dreams have all come true. [applause] >> to heather and the foley family, to tom's colleagues and friends, president clinton, president mondale, former
-- vice president mondale, former speakers, and those who preceded me, i am honored to join you today to remember a man who embodied the virtues of devotion and respect. for the institution that he led, for the colleagues that he served alongside, and, most importantly, for the citizens he had the honor to represent. unlike so many of i did not have the privilege of you, knowing tom personally. i admired him from afar. but like millions of americans, i benefit from his legacy. thanks to tom, more children get a head start on success, in school, and in life. more seniors receive better health care.
more families breathed easier because they know their country will be there for them in times of need. all of them, all of us, are indebted to the towering man. i think, in listening to the wonderful memories that have been shared, we get a sense of this man. we recognize his humility. he often attributed much of his sets to good luck. he may have had a point. leader mcconnell told the story about his first race. there were a couple of details that got left out. on the way to olympia to file the paperwork for his first congressional campaign, apparently tom blew out a tire.
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