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next year on c-span, our first ladies series features jacqueline kennedy. that is followed by president obama honoring veterans at the tomb of the unknown. ♪ >> i think every first lady should do something in this tradition to help the thing that she cares about. i just think that everything in the white house should be the best. the entertainment that is given here. children are the same the world over and so is our feeling for children. world, it is good in the there is quite enough to divide people, so we should cherish the language and the emotion that unites us.
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>> jacqueline kennedy's 1000 days as first lady was defined by images, young mother, advocate for the arts, fashion icon. the assassination of president kennedy and his funeral cemented her in the public consciousness. welcome to the c-span series, first ladies, influence and image. table, two guests at the to tell you more about her story. he has a special focus on the cold war era and the kennedy administration. robert parry is a political scientist and as part of the modern first ladies series, he has written the jacqueline kennedy biography. before we get into more details about her white house years, i want to talk about the images of that assassination. anyone who was alive at that time has those images in their
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mind. this is a collective consciousness. she was just 34 years old. >> just 34 years old. we know so much about this story. shot and into her arms, for five minutes they were there and she felt that they left the hospital to go back to but they had to do something to make sure that he had the historical reputation. >> what would a 34-year-old woman have -- have the sense of that experience? what did she draw from? there are so many iconic images together in such a short time. >> she said when she was young woman, my ambition in life is to
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be the art director of the 20th century. and she almost turned out to be that. thing thatt one would be important for his legacy, -- is to wipe out the having three and or four days of ceremony that she wished would be what they would remember, not the tawdry miss of what happened. not the first presidential assassination and president -- presidential widow. as a political scientist you talk about the power of work inon, how did this this case. >> she wanted to go back to the rights for abraham lincoln, the first assassinated resident. she asked her brother-in-law and the president -- his various friends to come to her aid, to find books on the lincoln funeral and
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all of this played out on television. when eisenhower was first elected in 1962, 20% of american households had television sets, but in 1963 about 90% had televisions. i can member sitting in the family living room on that night of november 22, 1963 and saying mrs. kennedy walk out of air force one, behind her husband's casket. i remember my parents and older brother gasping at seeing her. -- lady birdaid johnson said -- let me get someone to help you. >> but she understood the power of that imagery, we have two hours to tell you with video clips and audio clips, the story of jacqueline kennedy.
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we encourage you to take part once again tonight, there are three ways to do this, you can tweet us, at first ladies, page, or facebook you can call us. our numbers are -- mountan/pacific -- we will get to your calls in just a bit. i start with a phone conversation with president johnson. i want to ask about why we have them, before we listen very >> he takes his telephone conversations, as eisenhower and thisvelt -- with johnson was about 650 hours over five years. and in most cases this was without the knowledge that would include jacqueline kennedy. point, there was a very
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good relationship with lbj. >> this is the phone conversation was just 10 days the death of her husband. this is a phone conversation with lyndon johnson. >> you just have to give me strength. >> i wasn't going to come over. >> you just come over and put your arm around me, let's walk around the backyard. let me tell you how much you mean to all of us, and how we can carry on, -- i know how rare a letter is in the president's handwriting. i have more in your handwriting than i do in jack's handwriting, for you to send me the thing today, the announcement and
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everything -- >> i want you to know that i told my mother a long time ago, when everyone else gave up about you haveon in 1948 -- a lot of courage that we men don't have. so we have to rely on you and depend on you and you have something to do. you have the president relying on you, there are not many women running around -- so you have the biggest job in your life. >> i ran around with two presidents, that is what they will say about me. ok, anytime. thank you for calling, mr. president. >> do come by. >> this relationship was not always the easiest of relationships, but how did he treat the departing first family and jackie kennedy? >> very well and mrs. kennedy talked about how grateful she
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was for president johnson. she would have to say president johnson unlike the president's brother, who she called a couple of hours across -- after the assassination -- president johnson -- the very easily to calling him mr. president. but she was very grateful to president johnson, that they were so grateful to her, and they let her stay in the white house until december 6. she was able to stay there with her children until she got the sense of where she was going to go. dallas,he carnage in she lost her husband, her home and her job. she had no place to go until the home was open in georgetown. caroline was going to nursery school and kindergarten. she was very grateful to the president for that. >> you have listened to a lot of she soundskennedy --
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so in control of herself, 10 days after the assassination and going to the funeral, how do we understand her and her psyche issues. >> you will find someone who has lost a spouse or someone very during the days of the funeral and the ceremony, she said -- just keep on moving right now, we can collapse later. there were enough decisions that she had to make -- decisions about the presidential library, making sure that the children were as and as well of environment as possible. you cannot think of anything more abnormal than, the children lost their father this way. and once she got to georgetown she did almost collapse. this was late december and the beginning of spring.
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them -- for the four of than you can ask for more she did with keeping the situation together. >> in the days before the trip to dallas, what was the popularity of the kennedy administration and mrs. kennedy? >> the president had suffered because of civil rights. he had fallen in the southern states and he was concerned. he was going to texas to try to connect to the party there and raise money for the 1964 campaign. this was really the kickoff for the presidential election campaign. gallup did not take regular polls about the first lady at that time. in 1961, she was polling at about 59%. gallup didg in 1960 take this -- the most admired woman pole.
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in 1962 she supplanted eleanor roosevelt, who had the number one for about 12 years, and mrs. kennedy was for about five or four years after that. their babyd lost patrick in august of 1963 and i think people felt kindness towards her. >> when john kennedy was planning his campaign in 19 60 -- there was an offhand remark -- we will have to run her through subliminally. she had been raised in an elite she might not be too politically helpful. and there was no one who was more astounded and delighted that she had turned out this way. so in the state of texas -- john conley and the others in texas
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said, you have to bring mrs. kennedy. she is so popular and you will have much bigger crowds. >> i have to say that john kennedy was much more wealthy than she. so why would the public not react to his help? >> he felt as may political leaders that come from affluent -- in 1957 she ar as ahim a jagu birthday gift. but hethis returned -- felt she was not someone who had a lot of political experience, and in 1960 -- this might be a difficult -- >> she felt she was a drag on him in the early days. >> she said, i am sorry i'm such a drag for you. this -- did not stop
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this did not last long. >> i want to talk about the imagery of camelot. jackie kennedy asked teddy white, who was a family friend, her,me up and interview with the idea of what she wanted to say would get into life magazine. night, before at jack and i were in the white house, wheeze to play the record of camelot. editorsless to say, the and life thought, this would be and they may -- camelot the major theme of the article. out, the kennedy presidency and camelot made its debut. -- this may not have been something that helped.
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there nights and the noble deeds -- they were setting him up for the revisionary of the 1970s. >> she must have known that these would come along and that she could get out in front of them, with this wonderful shining moment. one brief, shining moment and there was a dark side of camelot but all you have to do is look at the imagery and see that they were a wonderful couple with beguiling children. >> to talk on the 1960s campaign that brought them to the white house -- we will do that throughout the program tonight. to learn more about her role in helping her husband during that campaign. >> mrs. kennedy spoke in rate length about president kennedy and his love of reading, his
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believe in the power of words, and this is a belief that they both shared. what i like about this story an example ofows the believe in the power of words, this is a great example of collaboration between husband and wife. this is early in the presidential campaign and in the early days, mrs. kennedy did travel with him as much as possible, and this is a reading copy of the speech he presented in washington state in june of 1959. mrs. kennedy was with him at that dinner, president kennedy had speechwriters and he would often rewrite his speeches up until the moment he was about to dinner,it, and at this he wanted to close the speech the greatverses from home, you'll he sees. and he asked mrs. kennedy, there
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is a note here. can you have the last line from you lisi's? and following in her hand is the rest of the poem, which she knew, from memory. and gave it to him to close his speech, with those words. says,have a viewer who you rarely see mrs. candy in clips from the 1960s. difficulty of her 1966 presidency, she was actively campaigning for her husband -- did she feel that she could not bear losing another baby when she was pregnant again? >> she had a terrible record in her pregnancy, she had lost a baby to miscarriage in 1965, and then as this person points out, she lost a little girl in 1956, right after that very hot, not
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air-conditioned -- >> she was really just afraid to go. i think what this person is referring to is about april -- april to 1960, she did tend to stay home, but she did go with the president of the, in 1962 manhattan, but she was great with child. the child would be john junior. >> then bradley also had a wife who was with child, and right after the election was one in hyannisport, he said to the two women, you can take the pillows out, we have one. >> what role did she play and you talked about the concern -- at one point does john kennedy realize he had a political asset ? >> the moment that began to happen is when they went to
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paris in spring of 1961, and a lot of people turned out both to see john kennedy, and jackie. was known to be -- of french ancestry, she spoke french and -- and we history will talk about this later on, in february of 1962, she did the tour of the white house she had worked so hard to restore. >> this is after she was in, she began to work on sustaining popularity. we will start with a few calls. beach, you arem on the air. >> thank you, i am enjoying this series very much. i was only five years old when the president was assassinated, so i don't really remember it, but i have read so many books about the president and mrs.
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kennedy, i'm great admirer of hers. biggest images was suit, and after she removed it -- she did not want to remove it before they returned to washington, as she said, she wanted the world to see what had happened to him. become of that suit? was it destroyed or has it been preserved somewhere? and if so, where? and will it ever be shown to the public? >> as i understand, once she removed it, it was stored, i believe in her mother's attic. people are familiar with manchester -- the last paragraph of that book talks about what he after some years went by, the package -- he could see the stains and if someone did not suit,he story of that
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someone would say that the person who wore that has met a terrible end. they might even wonder who has been to blame. >> as we understand, with the that thisi understand is still missing but this is with the archives, caroline has made sure that it will not appear to the public before 2103. it.ill not see unless there are changes in medical science. utah, you are on. >> this has been amazing and wonderful, one of the best things on television. thank you for that. my question is, jacqueline kennedy, such a great style icon privates for that, her secretary, mary gallagher --
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this was an issue with the president, the cost of the wardrobe. nothing was spent on her clothing. was she known as a frugal individual otherwise? thank you so much. >> not by her husband, if we answer truthfully. but she spent an awful lot on clothing, and by the best information we have, this was actually started by joseph kennedy, who said, just send me the bills. this is something that would be very important to that presidency. it turned out to be a great asset. >> this was a big story in the 1960 campaign, that she must have spent $30,000 a year on her wardrobe. >> they could not spend $30,000 -- >> pat nixon --
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>> this was a close election, for the public. >> and she wore that to the inauguration. so next, i'm going to have jacqueline kennedy, in her own words. a project you know very well. the book that came out of this. -- life of john f. kennedy which you annotated in introduced, and work with caroline kennedy on. what is this project? >> when jackie kennedy, right in the wake of the assassination, there was a story -- that her husband would not amount to much but she was so determined to help him win this reputation, one of the things that was urged on her by the white house aide and historian -- was to record all the history. they spoke on briefly at
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the university of virginia. when there are historical events that may not be recorded, you go in an interview a great figure in history and try to fill in the gaps. she would be at her house in georgetown, about eight times, only a few months after the assassination, with her memories were fresh. the idea would be that she would -- thereely, as it historian of the 21st century. and this was in 2011 when caroline felt they should be published. >> has anyone else done a similar oral history. to think of that. >> lady bird johnson. >> there is a wonderful book. by oxford university press. all of her oral history interviews as well. of lyndon a critique
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johnson and his role as a vice president. -- to therunning mate majority leader. and mocking jack in every way. jack would say, you can never get an opinion out of him. they asked to go to luxembourg. you can have a president who is dying to give you a lot to do. -- and lyndon as vice president, he could just do anything. >> i want to read something from barbara's but before i get to michael. of said -- underneath a veil lovely in consequence, she had tremendous awareness.
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people were struck by this -- she had a shrewd view of people, who the real people were and to those who arere, bright and those who were stupid. the papers were filled with her assessment. did john f. kennedy use this to his advantage as a political partnership. >> they had a mastery of television and that sort of thing. we will talk about the fact she did not have a major impact on policy, nor did she want one and -- did she want one, and he did not talk to her about it. he did seek her out for advice. i think this is the case that if he was going to have any connection with her, at all, in terms of politics it would be when they went off on these trips or when they were coming back from political trips. she did go to 36 of the 48
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states in 1969 and 1960, when they were out with the rank-and- file. she was on the phone with him, saying, that one is phony, that when israel, that one is stupid, that one is smart. >> you hear the people that she criticizes, the secretary of state -- these are the people who tended not to do too well in the kennedy administration, like robert mcnamara. they did not just listen to her. in those days, they went to taxes on the month of november and since the inauguration, jackie kennedy had never been west of virginia. domestically,avel she had small children and did not campaign, and thought that this was something to do in an election year.
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this is why going to taxes meant so much. she said, jack, i will do anything to help you because this may be a close election in 1964. >> what do you learn about her savvy? >> you were mentioning what they the -- that someone had impression of someone who was not involved in politics. 1960, and election in the convention of 1960, she was asked by a reporter where the democratic convention should be held. she said acapulco. things, andthese she was not completely on top of it. this was the potential for those days. the entourage will not help them well -- this would not have
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helped him very much. in terms of the society in those days -- they were too hard edged, this would not have been political. >> catherine brown, the publisher of the washington post, to be honest, the kennedy men, they were chauvinists. and they weren't interested in what women had to say about anything. outhen did the tapes come with the biography? >> the tapes came out thanks to michael and caroline kennedy in 2012, -- 2011, excuse me. to my chagrin, the tapes were not available to write the book. o in her own words -- >> was this developed in the biography? >> i did. at first i wish i had these but then i realized that this was
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going to add color and substance, to be sure, and it would have added michael's superb annotation of the oral history. i found it actually follow the example that we just gave, talking about mrs. kennedy. i thought sn as i listened to this -- think about made me in terms of the camelot issue, with how she wanted to shake that image -- shape that image of her husband after his death. part of it may have been to raise him up. >> and also, just humanly. helping him on various things -- there is a good oral history. during the presidency, her theyionship with lbj -- said she was the only person in the whole entourage who treated them nicely.
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of 1964, we are lbj wasall the time -- talking to her about the shortcomings and you have to listen to that, with that in mind. >> we are talking about a first- person historical document. -- didprevious letters jackie do that? in a phone conversation with lbj, she says, i have more handwritten letters from you than from jack. >> and trying to say in general -- he did not like to send letters to anyone. >> with the youngsters, the parents and the siblings. it was not romantic, to his wife.
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currently note available at the kennedy library. >> rachel is in portland, oregon. >> thank you so much for this program. i was wondering, how did jacqueline kennedy influence art and fashion in the united states? >> may i ask how old you are? >> i am 12. >> what a great question. >> how much did you know about jacqueline kennedy before you started watching tonight? why is that? >> i like reading history very much. enjoy studying about her. and finding a book at the library -- >> thank you so much for making the effort to call in. --re going to talk about her let me start by showing a video.
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>> that was a good question. >> at her age -- john f. kennedy was the person i most admired. with -- innd up political science, this is a great life. >> we turn to the library -- and aw they interpret her as style icon. >> she is known as a style icon and has admiration for her fashion sense. the ensemble that she wore as first lady on inauguration day, this will coat and dress. this is just a wonderful example -- this became very popular and the only thing that she wore during the ensemble, was a really beautiful ruby brooch, by tiffany's.
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--t jfk actually gave her 2 celebrate the birth of john junior. and she wore that right after the swearing-in. and most famously, finishing the ensemble, what she wore that day. on her head so that her face could be seen, and then became a fashion trend. where the hat would normally be one -- worn on the very top of the head. but she used that to frame her face. and this is one of her best- known dresses, the dress that she wore during her televised tour of the white house in february of 1962. visitors are quite surprised to learn that this is a red dress. filled in black and white and broadcast in black-and-white. she chose the color red for that
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program, knowing it would be televised on valentine's day, 1962. what's go into the museum and look at other examples of her clothing that we have on display. she put a lot of thought into her wardrobe, when she was represented in the country both at the white house and while traveling abroad. what colorsbout would mean something to the country. so for her visit to canada in may of 1961, the first state visit that the kennedys made as president and first lady, she wore this red suit, as a gesture of respect, for the canadian maple leaf and knowing that she would be greeted by the royal canadian mounted police, who wear the color red. this is the green coat and hat worn by the first lady for her arrival in bogotá, colombia in
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1961. they traveled throughout south america, and were greeted by hundreds of thousands of people, with an overwhelming response, particularly when she would address the crowds in spanish. i really admire the thought that she put into her wardrobe. you think about the event that she was attending, or the country she was visiting, was there a style of a particular color that she could wear that would mean something to her host? and she knew the advantages of wearing something that would make her stand out in a crowd. >> what do we know other than the fact that she loved clothes and looked great in them? how do we compare her fashion to influence the country, and advance the position of the united states abroad? >> she felt that it was best for the first lady to dress in the best of american fashion.
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and bring the best of american culture to the white house. she suffered a bit during the televised tour in 1962, suggesting that thewas no longer ais unformed country, but country worthy of being considered as a superpower. >> and that is where she goes to be a cold warrior. draw in, whatto we then called the third world countries. we were the new world and what better representation of the new old,d than the 33-year- young, fresh woman, with these youthful fashions. paris -- people in week, eisenhower -- they set trends across the country emulating her. and it was a couple of years
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before they were putting the bangs in their hair. get them on ebay, probably. >> we were talking about the ike sundress. this is not something that she would wear. this was an upping of the level of the style. she picked him because he was american, he had european ties and hollywood ties, but he said, i will create a wardrobe for you on the world stage. dress said, i want us to as if -- the way that this happened worked better in public. >> how did the american public respond e >> by and large, they love that. but sometimes she would show up and up bathing suit, and sometimes you had conservatives who said, a first lady should
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not do that and if you think of the previous three first -- three first ladies -- they were not and they were in their 60s when they left office. they had grandchildren in some instances, and she seems like everyone's older sister rather than their aunt or their grandmother. >> let's take a call next, from judy, in newport news. >> we are really enjoying it, thank you so much. it seems to me i have heard her jaqueline.nced as is this true? >> she preferred to be called she was usually called jackie, which she hated. and she says in the oral history the combination of
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jack and jackie was unfortunate. >> anthony in chicago. >> how are you doing today? >> what is your question? >> we are going to this in my high school class right now, as you all know, there was a film -- if i'm pronouncing his name we were looking at this in class, this was graphic and horrifying, of course, but i was --dering, when he was shot was jacqueline kennedy trying to jump out of the car in that tryingor was this just -- >> what year in high school? >> i am a junior likes the answer, we don't know why. she was asked about that in the war in commission.
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she said she was -- she did not remember, she was deeply in shock. >> would you show this in high school class? >> like the explosion of the i have not watched this, this is too painful and i would not show this to students. >> but this is widely available on the internet. >> is it helpful to talk about this in the classroom weather is a guided discussion? i wouldwould be a line be a line i would have to draw and i have to set out -- i would that,o say i remembered being taken off to church -- the president had been wounded, and to be told at the end of the day, he had died and we said our last prayer of the day for him. i would have to step back to my scholarly side, -- scholarly human. the >> what would you think about -- documentaries this month
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would she have the quote, i want them to see what they did. >> there is always the hazard in talking about a historical figure and what they may or may not have done. she was so worried that jack would be forgotten in 1962. she was asking to her friends and others, please don't let them forget jack. she did not approve of everything that was being shown, but this was a sign that he was not being forgotten. >> and the camelot label has remained. caller talked about her influence on the arts. and there is the kennedy library. to indiarips she took and pakistan in 1962 along with her sister. let's watch that and then talk about her international travel. i am profoundly impressed
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with what you do in pakistan. id what you make of it now -- think as i stand in these gardens, which were built before they have was born, survived this together and they always will. >> the interesting thing -- we were talking about the images of her in black-and-white, and here she is in color. >> this was the presidency and the president, who was aware of the importance of color he was talking about plans for the 1964 democratic convention and said, i want to have a motion picture about the administration in color. us, is thehing for
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filmy -- we have a color that was very rare for the time. >> how many international trips did she take? >> this was by herself with her sister, but not with the president. would be viewed as unofficial and we could talk about the canadian trip, her first trip out of the country, and in paris in june of 1961. they made several trips south of the border and went to puerto rico and colombia, and venezuela, and costa rica. where else have they gone? >> she felt it was not her duty to travel to mystically. >> she tended to travel by herself or with the family for vacations. >> she knew how important it was for her to go with him. important was this to
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advancing foreign-policy? for jackie tot get the receptions like the kind that they did in 19 61, or when they went to vienna, this was 10 times -- the leader of the soviet union, nikita khrushchev, this was the time when the united states was trying to make the point that they were a rising power and the third world countries should align with us. >> next is dennis in brooklyn. you are on the air. >> thank you, susan, and thank you for the program. we have mentioned that mrs. kennedy had a big influence on the arts, style and culture. i am curious with how she finished that you lisi's quote --lier during the campaign she was incredibly well read, was this her education or her
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upbringing, that fueled her intelligence? >> it was both. talked about, an autobiographical essay that she had done in 1951 -- she talked about her upbringing and said that she was a tomboy who like to go horseback riding, but she also like to be by herself and sit in a room, reading little lord fauntleroy, and she loved to read, with the european cast -- and she was an avid reader, much like her husband, but she tended to read literature and he would read history. and she had a superb background in education, both from prep school years as well as going through -- with her junior year abroad in paris, and finishing up the george washington university. a handful of first ladies at that time had an undergraduate degree.
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forgotten,s it is her influence on historic preservation. given, ifke it as a there is a beautiful historic building, there better be a good reason to take that down. but years ago that was not the case, when the term urban or newly is used. if john kennedy in particular and jackie kennedy as first lady -- had not been the first lady in the 1960s -- the executive office building next to the white house would have been torn down, which white eisenhower was willing to do. he thought that this was an eyesore. part of the white house would be torn down. -- the whiteison house was lit up -- >> it would have been replaced by federal office buildings of the time -- a penitentiary and a prison yard.
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this really helped the historic preservation -- aldriche book you quote -- >> this was her schoolmate at miss porter's school. >> she wrote that mrs. kennedy designed her mission of first lady along the following lines. do you remember this? family,rvation of entertaining with style and grace in the number one house in the world, the makeover of the and theuse itself raising of the cultural stature of this country. >> wasn't that amazing that she wrote that before going into the white house. she already had a firm sense -- family and children first. everyone would hope that would be the case but she already had a mission statement before she began as the first lady.
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anthe next clip is from interview that was done about raising children in the white house. >> it is rather hard with children. there is so little privacy. -- but iind for myself think it is hard with them, i wanted to take my daughter to the circus last week and decided, i just shouldn't because that would ruin it for her. to make ao hard little ballet school a private thing we can do together and there were a number of photographers when we got there. >> do you think caroline, who is older than john junior, has she changed much from the attention she has gotten? too little but someday she is going to have to go to school, and if she is
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always in the papers, that will affect her classmates and they will treat her differently. there always treating her same, but this is about how other people treat her, because they have read about her. about the you talk school that they created in the white house. how was this created, what the goal was and how the public received this. >> we heard about that right here, she was worried about caroline, who, when her family -- with her father became president, she would have been three years old. -- felt it may be normal if more normal for her, if she went to school at the white house solarium, that room on the top of the white house. they had other kids about the same age, children of other members of the administration. and at the time of the assassination -- this was 1963,
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one thing that lbj did do, he said the school can go on to the end of the semester. >> but there was a controversy, all the children worldwide. >> there was a photograph that shows the class picture, of caroline and her schoolmates, and there is one african- american boy, i think he was the son of andrew hatcher, but they were receiving -- >> the president came over to address them by name -- you must have been told that i was the one with the blue pin. >> the african-american student. >> there was the height of concern over integration and people were riding into the white house and asking, are there any, they would say, negro class and they
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had to say this was a private school, not a public school, which would be -- which would have to follow the brown versus board of education edict. >> we have more on the candy administration -- with the presidential history happening for the first lady. corps,ation of the peace the advancement of the space program, and the cuban missile crisis. the introduction of civil rights legislation, sending military advisers, increasing the number of military advisers -- do you want to comment on those in and the historical relevance of the administration? thing is, how much did he engage with the controversial issues of his time. domestically and with civil rights -- john kennedy had two
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and a half years and after that -- he had the first big civil rights bill before congress to say that they should be integrated. war, thelly, the cold cuban missile crisis. some elements of what he did lead to the cuban missile crisis. the moment it happened i want john kennedy as my president, because this did not result in the deaths of 48 million americans, which could have happened. these are as vital today as they would have been at the time. >> he said the term, fiasco, the failure to remove castro. but because president kennedy made a press conference and said, i am the responsible officer of this government -- his approval ratings went up to 83%. >> and also, when the soviet missiles went into cuba, the
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joint chiefs said it -- you won't taking much of a risk, he knew to be skeptical of them in a way that he was not at the time. >> and he refashioned his entire administrative procedure by making these kinds of decisions. >> andrew, from south carolina. you are on. >> thank you for having me on. -- what wasing how her astrological sign and how this shape our world view. she was interested in astra g -- >> this was -- astrological. on july 28,orn 1929. i think that this is leo. my wife was born on the same
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day. >> where is the woman who came to see them -- with the astrological signs of the entire kennedy family? listening to her in these wants to know, did they speak with the same pauses in normal conversations as what they show on television. >> he did not. she never expressed herself on this. some people commented that in public, she spoke in a way that was very careful, sometimes a little bit stilted, and there explanation is that she had in her mind the way a first lady should look and act, and the way a first lady should sound, which is different from how she sounded off duty. sisterher mother and also had that. called -- thisl,
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is for the oyster bay area of long island. but this is what she said to me. we all spoke that way, with the lock job. this is exactly what michael said and the other part is the whispery part of that. her dad had said this was a way to attract men. i always look at the photographs of mrs. kennedy in conversation with powerful men and foreign dignitaries, and oftentimes she is very close to them, with a strapless gown, just tucked up under their arms, and i have the sense that she is using that voice and she just enveloped -- even as a teenager, she would speak to a young man, you will really brought into her orbit. clearly, this work. >> when she wrote letters, she wrote some of the best letters,
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romantic, almost overdoing it, saying how wonderful someone was, this was one of the best evenings of my life when maybe people were so. charmed by these things that they felt they were much closer. >> next is craig, in omaha. >> thank you for your call. what is on your mind? >> i love your book, for starters. 1962 kennedy board game. is, how did she feel about her image, being put out like that? >> a kennedy or game. i was given a deck of cards by a student of mine who had all of the kennedy family on the faces of the cards. i doubt she would be pleased with that, but she had to know
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that these things were happening, and she had approved a paper doll collection that as a have shown caroline paper doll dressed up like a first lady. was from the political advisers in the west wing, she barely tolerated things like this. she thought they were other and she hated it when it involved her children. the best-selling record of that meter, in history, von imitating jfk. she was outraged that there would be an actress playing her. >> we are in the height of the mad men era. the creation of the political campaigns that came from madison avenue. she had to recognize the political value in all of this. >> many of the pictures -- that we most treasure of jfk and those children -- you may notice
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that there is no jackie. these were taken when she was oftentimes out of the country and not in a position to object -- when they said, get the photographers in. >> that is a nice segue. i want to talk to both the you about the relationship tween the press and the kennedy administration, and how jacqueline kennedy interfaced with the press. when you look back at those times, people talk about the fitness of the press corps. the relationship between the washington post editors, and the kennedy administration. how does this look to you now? >> much more genteel in almost every respect about private lives. kennedy thought that the press was at his throat all the time, but compared to nowadays, it looks extremely different. the attitude was at the
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beginning of the administration -- your policy with the press should be giving out minimal information with maximum politeness. >> we show a picture of jacqueline, with ben bradley, and his arm is around her. you look at how close that relationship was, and what is at stake. >> you may notice that the original picture showed a little bit more of her legs, and she was so close to bradley -- they moved her hand in a little bit so the dress was a little bit longer and more like a first lady. the other thing -- upstairs in the white house -- this is very different than how it may have been during the eisenhower's. >> they were neighbors -- and he went on to become the editor of the washington post and we got to know him from all the presidents men.
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but he was also the editor of newsweek at that time. the neighbor of the candies along with his wife, they were and they were good friends. you can see the beautiful videos of the the last weeks northern virginia home right before the assassination are and they were ys brought in in the afternoon of the assassination to be with the to been and they went out with jackie. the public erve well? >> i'm sure not. >> the president did not talk to him for about six months. likewise, mrs. kennedy friendship from her when he wrote "conversations with kennedy" and he thought it privacy.nvasion of they were thin skinned.
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>> robert from plano, texas, hi, robert. guest: how are you doing? i'm interested in the christine p between onassis.and jaclyn i heard she was deceased and i bit you to expound a little on their relationship. what was it like? >> there aren't great source on historians. we have to stick with things we about that with certainty. i don't know if you want to come in on this -- pretty ld say it's obvious they had a fight over the onassis will and that mrs. that time, mrs. onassis did fight to get more money from the family and that successful in doing that. so there's no love loss between probably. them, >> one hour left in our two-hour look at jaclyn kennedy's life accomplishments and approach to the role of first lady. talk about how the
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press interfaced and how they have been gentler than two issues that were very much apart biography to y's talk about, first of all, his health. we know many things now about the severity of the disease and addison's and the like. why did we not know more about it at the time. > he would not have been elected president in the 1960. there were rumors that he addison's disease, which he did. >> we should say rumors spread lyndon johnson and others. >> and others, sure. his was an effort by entourage to protect him and say he didn't suffer from addison's but not the classic kind. that was what was done. years, we've gotten access to his medical records that showed he suffered from all sorts of things, bad stomach, bad back. thing, many medications.
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you can look at this one way or another. ou can say this is a terrible cover-up we should have known. probably we should have. at the same time, if you're what the man uate was made of to go through all of that, his brother once said jack through at least half of his days on this earth pain, ense physical probably true. of someone a test who had great will. >> the last rites of the church or four him three times prior to dallas, 1963. > i'd like for you to tell a story that you tell in your book about early in his marriage when experimental surgery on his back. she as a young wife tends to him. > it's so difficult for him in the first few years because the back gets worse. e think first from a football injury in college and then slammed against the bulkhead of pt-109 in the midst of world war ii. taking than and
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cortisone for a bad stomach, consulting ves in with doctors that caused a deterioration of the lumbar. so in the early part of their in '54, he has this experimental fusion attempt to made of the lumbar region and they place a metal plate in his it just -- he suffers a terrible, terrible infection that almost kills him. and then -- >> reduced immune response. disease.he addison's then it won't heal. the wound won't heal. kennedy, a n newlywed, a young woman, she's once they get to palm beach in the hospital. she has to dress this gaping wound. goes back under the knife a few months later. they remove the plate and have a slightly more successful surgery but he suffers periodic bouts of the rest ofpain for his life. >> also led her to be very the ical of doctor, one of most poignant things that in
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parkland hospital in dallas when he was there and the doctors working on him after the shooting. doctors and the nurses said you can't come in here, and she when 'm going to be there he dies. the reason was when she went hrough this in 1954, she remembered how the doctors said you can't be near him even calling foreard him her. >> ted in ft. lauderdale, florida. you're on. >> cute story -- jackie when she manhattan. i believe they lived in an apartment building on fifth avenue. the next door in one of apartment buildings was greta garbo. jackie was a great greta garbo fan. when e would watch and she'd see greta garbo on the street, i don't want to use the stalk, because that's too cruel. going would follow her into a store.
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she would follow her in never speaking to her but looking at saying, oh, there's greta garbo. person she really loved and admired. >> she knew greta garbo. >> she did? to hear. what i wanted came for reta garbo dinner and len billings had europe, ta garbo in spent some time with her. so j.f.k. spent a joke on his schoolmate. going to fawn all over greta garbo. greta comes in and has dinner talk n billings begins to to greta and greta said, i've never met this man before in my life. >> prep school pranksters. >> a quote in his book in toinished life that i wanted introduce the other topic with the relationship to the press. that is john kennedy's womanizing.
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this is one thing he wrote. kennedy had affairs with several including pamela turnure, jackie's press secretary, mary pinchot meier, ben bradley's two white house secretaries playfully dubbed fiddle and fadle. judith campbell exner and a full slender beautiful intern. how much of this did the press know and not report. to en bradley who i talked at great length insists he did about hisdid not know own sister-in-law being involved with jfk. there was a ect, feeling this was better known or better documented than it may time. en at the >> in your biography, you talk about the fact that his as a womanizer was known when he was a senator in washington. aware of this reputation as they were dating. what do we know about mrs. how dy's knowledge about much it continued after the
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marriage? nd if so, how she felt about it? she ll, pless her heart, kept her counsel on most of the time. , she dn't write a memoir didn't go on oprah and tell all. some. even tell >> that's a great credit to her. so we think she may have a times let out in anger, perhaps, in french, both she made a here reference to someone who might her ving an affair with husband in private. one could only speculate what marriage ike in the and what tension it must have brought to the marriage, marriage the early when he was having all of the medical problems and she was aving trouble with her pregnancies as well. >> both -- a question for both of you. now you look back knowing what we know about the tensions in their marriage and the challenges they faced, what was relationship like?
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how strong a marriage did this seem? with your documentary edits? >> i think it was a real relationship. perhaps happiest at the very end. happiest nly says the years were in the white house. i think that was true. and there's a lot of evidence to they lost a son, patrick, in august of 1963, they became a lot closer. for instance, you see them holding hands. >> at love field on the last day his life in a way that you had not seen before. >> she would say that in the history, wouldn't she? my husband didn't like to kiss babies or kiss me. my hand or hold kiss me after the inauguration. touching very s gently his cheek. say t the end you want to oh, jack, what a day. that speaks volumes. nd when they came out of the hospital after poor patrick
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passed away after two days, he and when her hand they take the helicopter back to high yeah nice and they come he's helping her ecause she's gone through the cesarean section. a few weeks later, he's helping her down the steps and comes herself. i had not seen that before. ben bradlee says on september of '63, he thought he saw them closer than ever. when they came together for anniversary, heir he said he had never seen her greet him so warmly. all of the or reasons she was distraught and devastated about what happened the 22nd of november, it was that much worse because if you was new hope and imagine this, you can it's going through her head. a number. have but she did for instance go to italy in the summer of 1962 with sister and her daughter.
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>> i'm asking the question -- we've talked about international before. did she intentionally get out of washington? >> oh, yes. for instance, they ran at an aura, called glen middleburg, virginia the first years where she rode horses. she thought for if children the away he could get them from the white house and press attention, the better it would and her. >> camelot in the lens jackie jfk's presidency to be remembered was diskusdz, was his an effort on their part to hide their issues? >> i think not specifically. sense. but it was her effort to get people to look at that period for years, it was successful. >> so her time in the white we should talkgs about which contributions, arts.aining and the what did she do on this level to
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introduce the public to aspects american culture that perhaps they might not see before. >> you mentioned entertainment. first of all, incounted up 16 1,032 days rs, only in the white house. compared, for example, to george bush 43. might have had a half dozen r so in the eight years, for a host of reasons, 9/11 security issues. laura bush didn't like to entertain that way. the kennedies loved it. would have third world leaders come and they would draw them in. lively arms.ve the >> people remark that mamie and ke would have fred wearing and the pennsylvanians. >> big band music. rogers. >> military. >> where as the kennedy had and public -- >> and opera. there was that. the fine rts, she had arts committee bringing
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paintings, attracting paintings to the white house. story.s my favorite the mona lisa coming to washington and to new york. nd then the picture of her standing in front of it in this gorgeous strapless pink gown one of her arm tucked up minister of france is priceless. >> she saw things aesthetically those things would be important which we saw in the four days in november of 1963. see a way a president nowadays sees a state visitor, kennedy is ackie doing, between eisenhower and the predecessors. and ave a state dinner dining room, a big table in the shape of an e. the president, the first lady, visitors would be at the long side of this. it was very formal and military looking. it was her idea that she should have round tables that encourage conversation and you should have a pageant on the south grounds with performers that
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harken back to the revolutionary period. even air force one, she had prepared with the design we see adays, she knew that plane landing in the foreign airport way it does is a diplomacy. ica's >> it's important to greet the visitors. ceremony. otherwise it would be at union station or international airport. in irwin, pennsylvania. hi, jessica. >> thank you for this series. so much fun. curious to know since she's so lovely, did she have a regular exercise regimen? was her diet like? lot.he certainly walked a her favorite sport was as most people know equestrian. she feels very good. her mother spent a year, freshman year at street briar virginia.n
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they're known for their equestrian program. >> that was subtle in there. thank you very much. he would go back after those years and she would train there. it was a very good question. this started when she was just she was in the saddle. so that was her favorite way to get fresh air. we the tell she watched her diet, ate carefully and xer sized well. giving the good points, she was a smoker. >> she was a smoker. it was something that was very hidden. sometimes she would smoke putting a cigarette in an ivory not have beenould the most helpful thing. she wanter skied, the aforementioned album of the first family there's one skit -- john glennnedy hyannis port for
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the mission and said get down to and put on your water skis, jackie's waiting. >> she took caroline out and up on the skis with her. that generated letters, how dare put your child in danger that way. >> we talked about the white house administration. truman administration, they gutted the white house, the trumans, and completely restored framework. what specifically did jaclyn kennedy? under harry ned truman was that for structural reasons we saw two weeks ago in excellent series, the white house had to be gutted in a superstructure put inside eight inches away from the outer walls. adays. at's there now it turned out the be so xpensive there was not much money left to buy furniture. a great truman made whole groundsh the floor in bulk with good prices,
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reproductions. ackie got there after the election of 1960 she feels aghast. looked like a statler hotel which she did not mean as a compliment. not convincing reproductions. so this mother of two, with other things to think about, was this enormous project of raising a huge amount of art and artifacts. europe.ted it to be in for foreign leaders to come to look like a se and hotel. threadbare and reproduction. it cast a bad light on the united states. if you liked the way the white nowadays, we should thank jackie kennedy. >> we've been telling people all the that our partners are folks for the white house historical association. we should say that.
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but it was created in this time. what was the story of the creation? did it do then? >> it helped her to restore the acquire se and artifacts. she was worried that when she was no longer first lady, the lady may not be so interested in history and may have a sister-in-law that ran a curio shop somewhere who decided they would redecorate in perhaps style of the late 1940s or something that was more contemporary. was an hought if there historical association, that to prevente bullwart future first ladies from turning it backwards back to before the in which it -- which it becomes a great museum. >> the precedent for the other branches of government. quickly, congress establishes ts own historical society and the supreme court did about ten years later.
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press ing at the conference of a white house buy that came out. it's still in print. debut in 1962, 4.5 million books of these books sold. en >> they have. she remembered going -- >> you'd like to have a number huh? that, >> i think maybe not by the government -- not for $1 apiece. yeah. >> the book is in a class of its own and should be. to the white 11-year-old or an girl. she was disappointed there was not a guide book. she thing to take away, said. >> that was important. she knew this could generate the rest help with restoration. guidebook has been revised and revised and sold today. >> the curator at the time was writing the text. it ie didn't like the way was coming out.
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so she went to her friend -- >> told him it was going a little slowly. she went to arthur schlesinger. she asked if he would write the text. she wrote the introduction. you referenced the televised tour of the white house when the white house was completed and it p.r. bonanza for the administration. what were the circumstances of the tour? televised it. how many people watched it? >> cbs televised it. networks.shown on all >> the two, maybe up to three by abc and coming on-line then. goes throughout the white house. now remember we're talking about 90% of the house holds having televisions. even though it's in black and white and we can't see her on valentine's day, by today's standards, it's stilted. people fell in love with it. they think there were 56 million viewers. they think three out of four watched it.
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one little boy wrote to her and said i really liked it. was going to watch "maverick," a western at the time. this.ed him to she received a fan letter from barbara bush, feature first lady. behind the iron curtain, 106 countries around the world. emmy for it.cial so it was a real high point. >> kennedy loved it. couldn't believe what people was saying. he would have thought, i think we have my , here wife, you know, raising money, buying art and artifacts and furniture. interesting to us. but to most americans, it will feat and different from their way of living. it had exactly the opposite what made people love this project that should take on -- >> he did the cameo. comes in and does a little cold war vignette when he talked about how important the freedom
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of the united states is and how important the white house is. one of the worst performances. one of their friends said, i thought it was so great, i cried watched jackie's performance. and jack said, yep, i cried when too.w my performance >> as you know you've been websites.very robust first ladies were all of the ideos of the programs are archived but also the other videos and each first lady are accessible. each week we put a special item for you to see for the first features.fie emmy foree her special the white house tour. i do want to mention the first lady's book, which you can find there. guide to the biographies of every first lady. it's available at cost. interested in a souvenir of the series or the we've been he women profiling all year, it's a link
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$12.95, ind it at something along those lines. this is katie, she's watching us in san francisco. hi, katie. >> thanks for the program. i've been enjoying it every week. wrote my thesis about jaclyn kennedy and her support of the arts. i would ask you to talk about her relationship and if the public liked that relationship with him being a frenchman and how he helped with the white house restoration. >> i don't think he had a direct restoration. >> except taking her through versailles and showing her -- -- model her a 340d el to follow. lisa. bringing the mona michael might want to speak to this. thought she was more admiring of him than she seemed to indicate in the oral history. she talks about the sadness that experienced when she met
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with him in 1961 in paris. he and his wife lost two sons in a tragic car accident. e was meeting with her even under those circumstances. she admired him for that. the literature to be frank fillic about all things. >> gary robertson wants to know, what would jackie say she's most proud of in her white house lady. fter being first >> she said in the oral history, i think, she said she was proud restoration. she probably wouldn't have used the word "proud" because she robably would have said one of the things i did i felt was most important. is the other thing gets almost no attention at the time. it's a very important site that was ic
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temples a in danger of being the nile that she orked with congress and jfk to save and did -- and the result was that the egyptian overnment, nassar at the time, aid all right, thank you, mrs. k kennedy, we'll send something to the united states of ours. temple she hoped would be built in washington wound up metropolitan museum in fifth avenue in new york. she saw it every morning. outside her bedroom window at the apartment house in. lived >> grand central station too. on.ater not at first lady. >> later in life, would she have been proud of those. those terms,e used no doubt. >> she drew a very thick line things that happened when her husband was president. she felt things that happened and after, they weren't.
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and some of the accounts of her destroying letters at the very life with that in mind. >> who was jaclyn bouvier. we want to tell you about her the interesthy and she developed as a young woman. return to the kennedy library to about her early years as a writeever. >> from a young age, she liked to write. poems as gifts to her parents on christmas and birthdays. and ould write a poem illustrate it. we have two early examples when old.was 10 years while at the school in connecticut when she went to wrote a really wonderful else say called be kind and do your share. kind and do your share, that's tlaul is to it. he goes on about how helping others in life is so important and how easy it is for us to say and all rd to someone
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of the difference it can make to this person. the scrapbook is called one graduating er after from school. and a sister lee on a summer through europe. as a token of appreciation for gift, they collaborated together on the scrapbook to give to their parents to let what their adventures were. and it's a combination of took.hots that they handwritten descriptions of the different places they visited, people they met. wonderful and whimsical sketches done by jackie. the fall of 1950, jaclyn ouvier entered vogue's very well known writing contest. pari the s. the contest.
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one was inning essays, a self-portrait, where she 5'7",ibed herself as tall, brown hair, a small face, and apart unfortunately far that it takes three weeks to to a pair of glasses made have a bridge to fit over my nose. her example and her love of and the power of wordsth question three of the essay, who are three people history you wish you knew. in addition to that, the russian ballet. early 1950s, jaclyn hired as the camera girl in "the washington times" herald on display here. she went through the streets of washington interviewing ifferent people and asking
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questions and creating columns. one column is prophetic because interviewed john f. kennedy who would be adversaries in the s campaign. i think the example of the early and she did write throughout her life. but if her life had been different, she would have been a some kind, maybe even professionally. life, know in her later the last part of her life, she prolific editor of books in new york city working on books of authors with several didn't topics. >> put the basic facts on the table. where was she born, to whom, and to when? >> she was born in the hamptons in 1929 just before the stock in the summer of that year. parents were john and janet bouvier. he had been an investment banker his ll street but lost savings in the stock market
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crash. summer with to grandfather bouvier called grandpa jack. and would write poetry memorize poetry together. her mother was a strict sisters arian but both lee and jackie grow up in a broken hope. their parents separate when jackie is 7 and they divorce 12 and it's a very bitter acrimonious divorce because her father was a omanizer and somewhat of an alcoholic. >> his nickname was black jack? >> black jack, also the name of the funeral coincidentally in november of 1963. she had this insecure childhood. but the interesting thing is if her, didn't know any of this, you would have thought she had the most perfect years. probably an heiress. her father was so short on money in when she was farmington high school, she later said that
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sometimes she would worry they would not be able to pay the of the at the end tournament. leave.ght have to so we were talking about the strength of will and where it came from. is someone who live in a way that was much more elite 99% of human beings but at ed had its me, difficulties. >> father struggled with alcoholism. >> indeed. extent of the wealth of family is und of her important to understand the role to it.ught >> her father's family had been in finance. money that wasly lost. her money, her father, her married an affluent man. the business of
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ebb doughing his new wife's two children. salary. d the >> she liked to work. >> she was a worker. >> how did that affect her city.ure when to the how did she develop an affinity to this place? made hael mentioned she the first trip to the white house when she was preadolescent years old. is her introduction to washington, d.c. hen her mother marries him, they're married at marywood at michigan state. summer at newport. that's her introduction of the culture of washington. jackie kennedy would say, oh, her first trip at that time to the national art gallery when fell in love with art and the wonderful feeling it gave sculpture.w art and
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>> this was a life of privilege. she lived on a hugs tape. she was always the poor relation. making an argument that she lived in 45rdship given the kind does and an did live. but this is someone who felt were challenges. she didn't know what her future would be but to marry well. which she did. that t was the attraction kennedy's family was very, very wealthy. >> it wasn't love at first sight. there wasn't chemistry immediately. introduced re first by the famous dinner party by 1951, arlie bartels in there were no sparkings.
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he seemed to want to ask her out. her, therent out with was another beau waiting for waitingther male friend for her. >> what was the age different? >> he was born in 1917, she in 1929. 12 years. several times before? >> she first met him on a train. it.wrote about she said this congressman with reddish brown hair i met on the rain, i don't think she had ever heard of him. she had a book and a famous ambassador to england, that was not her world. he didn't remember.
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>> next up. you're on the air. favorite s her hobbies? what did she like to do in her spare time? >> all right, thank you. sounds like we have another student watching us tonight. tell us about yourself? >> i'm 12 years old. with ng wonderfully 12-year-olds tonight. thank you for calling. >> i love history and watching channels and learning new things tv.y time i turn on the i saw this channel and i decided to ask a question love history.
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i'm from chicago. per foekt be 12 the same age as jaclyn bouvier when she to the white house? her hobbies. bout >> they put her in a saddle. in equestrian competitions. her mother was a rider. things canine as well. you see her with dogs. she liked to show dogs in competition. lots of dogs around them oftentimes even in the white ouse though the president was allergic to cats, dogs, and horses. and she loved the solitude of reading, writing, and poetry and art. younger than you doing those hobbies. >> introduction to john kennedy. what was mrs. kennedy's relationship with president siblings siblings and in law.
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how did she get along with the rest of the kennedy family? at first, she found it hard. i'm particularly glad to have a thenese question here given fact that caroline kennedy is about to go to tokyo for to ident obama's ambassador japan. >> she was an introvert. she liked to read. the kennedys are gre gary yous extroverted. took her a while to get used to that. her sister-in-laws didn't like the debutante way of reading. prefer to read a book.
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this is talking about the life a young wife of a senator. a it might be like being doctor's wife. all the be on call time. he's on know when call. >> i suppose it is like being married to a doctor. late hours, go away at a moment's notice. > you are alone a good deal of the time then? >> yes. committees.e in or is your job big enough taking jack?of >> that's it. >> yeah, now jack -- >> you're brighter in this shot. do it for him? clumsy. does he tell you what's going on when he comes back. >> at breakfast, he reads about seven papers and runs out the door.
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he is describing something to him. reading the paper there. >> you talk to her sometimes. >> i do, i do. time. e >> and enjoy it, i'm sure. >> what should we take away from this and how she's describing early days of her marriage. >> so fascinating, it's april of '57, november of 1957, they had the first child, caroline. they did thatu if scene a year later, they would dog.be posing with a >> was the relationship easy from the beginning or tough to travels ted to many being on the road campaigning? >> it was very tough. we mentioned the medical roblems that she had with the child bearing that he had with his back and other ailments. so often. gone
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they also didn't have their own home. they tried hickory hill, which became the robert f. kennedy homestead with his children l and 11 living there. but jackie and jack had bought that. start their o family. when she began to have the miscarriages and stillborn too painful.was they moved back into town. facts i the small realized is that she brought to hill, which is across virginia. o mclean, >> it was there. it had been owned by general the civil war. >> the management had been there. jackie sold it to bobby when they realized they it d not be able to fill
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with children. she spent all her time in '55 decorating it only to use the children and the nursery nd special shelves for jack so he would haven't to bend over or reach too high. it became a sad symbol. she was so isolated there. if they were in georgetown when they first rented a home and goe first married, she could back and forth to capitol hill and take him lunch. she was so completely isolated left.they >> a facebook viewer wants to if there were any known medical condition for all of her problem pregnancies. could have been. she was a chain smoker. several packs a day. did that lead to the actual themselves, the lung conditions that john jr. and patrick who succumbed to it. possibly the presidents, some of his medical conditions, perhaps even stds could have led the problems with pregnancy.
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>> did jackie share john's drive o be president or was she comfortable as a senator's wife? > she was comfortable as a senator's wife and was notion of by the being first lady. i talked to fdr jr., a friend to both of them. jackie essentially panicked after jack won the presidency in 1960. tnt expect it. she didn't expect it. terrified by the adverse effect on their marriage and family life for them to be for her to be first lady. and he said to fdr jr., please to jackie and convince her it's not going to be fwhad. 20 minutes ess than left. a long post white house life to cover. the 1964 go back to
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video clip, film clip in those days. though the ssage nation about all of the condolences messages that came house. white let's watch. >> i wanted to take the opportunity to express my to the hundreds of thousands of messages, nearly 800,000 or more, which my i received over the past few weeks. the knowledge of the affection by hich my husband was held all of you has sustained me and tributes are these something i will never forget. to i read can bear them. for a bright light gone from the world, all of you who have to me know how much we all loved him and he retained that love in full measure. is my greatest wish that all of these letters be acknowledged. they will be, but it will take a so.k time to do but i know you will understand.
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each and every message is to be treasured. only for my children, but so future generations will know how country and people in other nations thought of him. placed with will be his papers in the library to be erected in his memory along the in boston, r massachusetts. >> she talked about the establishment of the library. can you talk about what she did enhance the nd legacy of john kennedy's presidency? >> it did start with the library. j.f.k. looked at what was going to be the site of his presidential library on the side of the charles most of e river from
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harvard. she started to raise money for it and she began to think about architect. be the most people would have found an like ished architect edward dorrel stone who did the ennedy center here in washington, known for doing government buildings and in my surpassing ugliness and massiveness. she employed one that was little known because she was thought he in the spirit of j.f.k. who was young and was not well known himself. she also -- speaking of architect. john carl nt with weirneke. e had helped her with the saving of lafayette square and brick in low rise buildings that blended in. he designed the grave site. worked hard with him on that
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as well. >> two years ago, they looked a piece of paper. she had not left a piece of closedaying it should be for 100 years which some people thought, but she did tend to err on the side of these things should be closed for a longer shorter time.an a political erience,
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leaders and their families tend to overdo it and keeping things closed. will be t things sensitive and damaging sometimes to be opened earlier than they to be.rn out lbj would be horrified that his the open given some of language and would be shocked to ind that many of the he thinks ns that shown him as an uncouth back woodsman is what makes him cool. worked on the papers, receiving grants and donations to process them. and they did ased for the 1962 and 2012 nniversary of the white house tour, they have begun to release mrs. kennedy's papers as they the restoration. had 20 write that book without that available, arthur
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schlesinger's papers are a wonderful cache of mrs. ken papers. he was an historian. >> the ufs was the first-called first ladies. east wing. >> dan watching, dan, what's your question. quick comment and a question. didn't understand how important the zapruder film school.n it in high as a 40-year-old high school history teacher, students in school associate this young president to being in their a young man. time.ts did in that and it's been the image that he's such a young dynamic man. showed it at the library, what was the relationship with the nixons? pat r president nixon or nixon? and mrs. kennedy after she left the white house? thank you again for a great series.
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>> the relationship was better might think. jackie kennedy found it appalling she would have to return to the white house after 1963. she thought it would be much too painful. he told the secret service agents in washington drive in a way i will never have to see the white house. i'll start crying again, one exception. 1970-'71, her and j.f.k.'s portraits were painted by the artist. hey were about to be displayed in the nixon white house. the nixons said why don't you come down and see them quietly. she felt she owed it to jfk to do that. children, it was a totally off of the record had dinner and she wrote to president nixon afterwards, she said a moment i always dreaded, meaning returning to the white house, turned out to be one of the most important days i've ever spent my children. so she was grateful to nixon for that.
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later years she wasn't happy with nixon, particularly in watergate. number of things that nixon tried to damage the reputation kennedy. >> she saw robert kennedy assassinated. the two were close. they were. thank goodness she wasn't in los angeles. >> yeah. to have to go through that yet again. yes, they had been close. >> how concerned was she about herself and her children after -- >> terribly concerned after that. he supposedly said if they're killing kennedy, my children could be next. financial and physical security became so important to her. hat was probably part of the attraction to mr. onassis. rfk's months after death, she married. >> what happened? of the as pulled off
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pedestal. people were outraged. many were outraged she would at all rather than be an eternal widow, but marry someone who was this much older, not an american, and who was under some suspicion by the united states government, some of the financial activities. >> do we know that it was a happy relationship? >> i think of something her sister said not too many years go about someone saying how could she have been attracted to such a man after being married kennedy. her sister said, by the way, who had also had a romance with him prior to her sisters. >> meaning onassis? >> yes, not her brother-in-law. quite said he was charismatic. she said the way he moved and the way he rooked and he may not been a typical gq beautiful ion of a
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attractive man, but she was. she liked all things greek, she iked greek mythology and poetry. she found great comfort in the ragic poets of greek that she introduced brother-in-law robert to. so we can't say she wasn't him at all. but certainly the money and the physical security. e had his own island, skorp orioles. >> how long did it last? >> from '68 when he died in 1975. they were somewhat estranged. >> she would say that the arriage was quite good until aristotle '73 when onassis eason died in an he blamed her. >> did she come back to new york city. did.he something many people did not expect. she decided to go to work and get a real job. became an editor and then at double day. this was not someone who was and there for show business acquiring bookings.
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she actually edited with great intensity. were hugely loyal to her. years of her life, she was happier than she'd often been in life. with a a relationship fine man, maurice, who i think relationship with equals. this is different from her second marriage and perhaps her first. >> how close did she remain with her two children at this time? always very close with them. always so proud of them. eulogy, she said when she spoke of them, her face would light up. husband meeting j.f.k., lose to the prime minister, harold mcmillen. when he was in his deep cannest cmillen and rote m
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said if i raise my children well, that will be my vengeance world. the she felt she had achieved that vengeance. very, e kennedy lived a very long life. bo hamlin wants to know how did jackie get along with rose kennedy. i'm going the take that. >> this is the question. >> it is. biography of ed a rose kennedy. >> fine one too. >> this past summer. they got along to begin with. mother-in-law r and said dear mrs. kennedy, thank you so much for all of your good advice. kennedy liked to mete out plenty of advice. she said stand at an angle when having a photograph taken because it makes one look slimmer. said thank you, mrs.
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kennedy, for teaching me that lesson. to her.e kindly after the assassination, there were issues of whether jackie opening e back for the and the dedication for the kennedy center. decided she couldn't. she couldn't face that. she couldn't face being that she widow kennedy for the rest of her life. she wanted to be with her children. it was just too painful. rose filled in with her. but you can see there was a little bit of tension but rose appreciated that she would be invited often to be with mrs. kennedy and john and caroline. >> she got along with mr. onassis. were giving eople her trouble for marrying mr. stuck up for her and said jack would have wanted her to be happy. her as being e
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homeless after the death of president kennedy and wanted to bringhy the family didn't her more support, bring her to the fold, give her a place to live. she had money. >> she had $150,000 from the way.s coming her $50,000. ched in >> this is mid '60s. today'shat times ten for dollars. by her standards, perhaps it wasn't enough. of the physical place to live, she said in the famous white, ew with theodore the camelot interview the week after the assassination said she with my children in the places i lived with jack. georgetown and on the cape. she could have gone to the cape. georgetown. avril larriman loaned his home home across the
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street. it was inundated with tourist tourists, photographers, peeping into her windows and coming up on the porch. bear it.n't after a relative few months, she took off for new york and spent the rest of her time there. >> did mrs. kennedy have to testify for the warren commission? >> she did. she did. 1964, earl warren and ne or two others came to her parlor in georgetown and asked her about the motorcade. it was brief, i think it was a half an hour, but she did have to testify. record.n the physical description was wounding and kept for sometime because it was too graphic. other questions, did she talk about what her own theories were? to this ies continue leeabout the lone assassin, harvey oswald or a larger
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conspiracy? an opinion?used >> no, again, she kept her counsel in all things. colorado springs. hi, don. >> hi. very, very grateful for your show. "the kennedys" were very me.piring to but my question is how important jacklin's catholic faith to her. >> both kennedys were catholics? how important was it? would -- barbara will -- i'll just begin on this. herselfainly considered catholic throughout her life. she had trouble when she remarried a divorced man outside the faith, but although was supported in doing that to some family cardinal. one of the toughest
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hings infind, in understanding public figures, two things, do you ever get to the real truth they'rene's marriage if married? number two, do you get to the ell -- to the bottom of what their religion feeling was? sometimes presidents and first that.s exaggerate sometimes there's more than that on the surface. >> michael pointed out through oral history that she was having her doubts about her --th in those months at the >> she said i believe at this moment that god is an unjust god. exactly. >> she talks about her husband, jack, praying at night. maybe a superstition. she said he did it in case there was a god. apparently spoke o a father confessor at georgetown university and mentioned she was having suicidal feelings about the decided that but
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would not be the way to go. >> and with children? >> and with children. so we're going to close with jaclyn kennedy's years one last time. >> once in the white house, i felt i could get out. oppressive you how with the strain of the white house can be. i could go out -- jack would see it was getting me down. he would send me away. he would say why don't you go to in york, go see your sister italy, then he sent me to greece which was for a sad reason this year. i was getting patrick. after losing he would say, i can go out, i can go to the restaurant in new and walk down a street and look at an antique shot or go to a nightclub. -- inused to k worry about going into the white house. but

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