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>> i think the honorable lady is right about treating strokes. diagnosing and treating stroke victims as it happens, and we have seen that with better arrangements for taking people to hospitals that have the expertise, but what i think is required is more effort to look at how you can make someone who has had a stroke have a better quality of life. the money is going into that. war effort is being done, and i am happy to look at her particular case. >> order. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit] >> you have been watching "prime minister's questions" from the british house of commons. list in time is on sunday nights at 9:00 p.m. on c-span. watch any time at, where you can find video of past prime ministers questions and other british public affairs programs.
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>> throughout campaign 2014, c-span has brought you more than 130 candidate debates from across the country in races that will determine control of the next congress, and this tuesday night, watch c-span's live election night coverage to see who wins, loses, and which party will control the house and senate. our coverage will begin at 8:00 p.m. eastern with results and analysis and also seek concessions speeches in some of the most closely watched senate races across the country. throughout the night and into the morning, we went to hear from you with your calls, facebook comments, and tweets. 2014 election night coverage on c-span. >> coming up next, two campaign events in pennsylvania. kentucky senator rand paul and president obama in philadelphia.
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republican senator rand paul was in pennsylvania on friday. he spoke at the annual eisenhower luncheon on the state and local candidates, including governor tom corbett, who is running for reelection. he talked about diversifying and expanding his party. waste and fraud in government, and he criticized former secretary of state hillary clinton for her handling of the 2012 attack on the conflict in benghazi. this is 20 minutes. [applause]
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>> i had to do a little housekeeping. people were asking me why are you -- i hate to be disrespectful, moving it around the corner, and some housekeeping. and they said they heard it was a roast. [laughter] and bill and i met at a charity game, and people said, will you answer any question? and i said yes, except for our win-loss record. it is actually a point where i say that the only way any of us could get to the major league was through congress. college baseball. it does not seem entirely fair,
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and they insist on pitching him in every inning of every game whether they are 25-0, 27-0. he still continues to pitch. you guys like regulations so much, why don't we have a regulation that your pitcher can only pitch for two w innings, and then they have to change? it is completely lost once it gets out on the baseball field. but i was born in pennsylvania, grew up in pittsburgh. i spent a little time there, visit my grandparents. whether you are a steelers fan or a pirates fan. [applause] one of my most prized possessions, a photograph from '73 or so, but i do not get it. i am from pennsylvania, and i don't get it. what is wrong with you guys? seriously. do you want to be new york? do you want to be california?
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you have a governor who was allowing your energy industry, something that no one predicted was there 10 or 15 years ago, nobody knew it was there, and now it is there, you are tapping it and creating all kinds of jobs, and you are an energy rich state, and you are second now? why would you give that up? what kind of craziness is going on in this state? why would you consider another choice? why would you want to be new york? there is no fracking. under the ground. in california, the shale formation is one of the biggest in the country. it is still there because the idiots do not want to bring it up. they do not want civilization. they do not want to advance. do you want growth? do you want jobs? please, by all means, return your governor to office. there is a difference between the parties. [applause]
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what did the president say? he said, you did not build that. american success is apparently due to roads. we can build roads because of american success. taxes only come when the economy is growing and you are creating jobs. that is when you have revenue, but you do not tax everyone 100% to build roads. you have to tax them small enough that the economy can grow to build roads, but if you fundamentally do not get it, if you think somehow that henry ford was the function of a road, american genius comes from the individual, the creativity, hard work. if we completely discount work and say it comes out of nothing, here we just have everything. we are going to have roads without having american success, you do not understand what made our country great. how can we not be unanimous in rejecting that?
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so hillary clinton came around last week and said businesses do not create jobs. really? [laughter] what planet does she live on? how can we be looking at any of these people for office? i just do not get it. we have got a $17.5 trillion debt. we borrow -- in the next 12 minutes, we are just borrowing money hand over fist. we had a big debate up there, and all of a sudden, the was a shutdown, and they set notices that. there is a shutdown. you have to determine which of your employees are essential and which ones are not essential, and we had to list our
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employees. and if we were having to list our employees about which ones are essential or not essential, so i said, call the irs. how many are essential or unessential? 90% are unessential. my goodness, we are figuring out how to do something. call the epa. 95% nonessential. i was jumping up and down. most of government is not essential. [applause] however, i spoke to close soon. these are crafty devils, i tell you. why with a list 95% of the people for not being essential? you do not have to work during a shutdown, but you get to be paid. this has to be the definition of dysfunctional government. it costs more to keep it closed then open.
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ronald reagan used to tell a story. the closest thing to immortality is a government program. and he told the story of a british civil servant. this civil-service job was created in 1803. there was a guy to stand on the cliffs of dover into ring a bell if he saw napoleon coming. they got rid of it in 1944. it is hard to get rid of a program. you think you cannot save money? if you simply do not rehired the people who retire, you would save $6 billion a year. it would be enormous. a discussion over the essential and nonessential employees, and i forget which committee it was, but in the house, they investigated epa, and they found that there was a woman who had not been to work in 20 years.
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she had not communicated with work in five years, but she was still being paid, and we think, gosh, we discovered her, and we got rid of her. she is a federal employee. you cannot fire a federal employee. there was a woman who hired 17 of her family members, and she still works at the epa. another guy was downloading hours a day. did you think he was fired? they did fire one guy. jonathan. he was the right hand to gina mccarthy. do you know what his specialty was? global warming. so gina mccarthy's right-hand man makes $150,000 per year, and they started looking at his attendance record, and he had not been to work and like six months. they went to his boss, and they did something extraordinary. they actually asked his boss,
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why is he not showing up for work? he works for the cia and the epa. really? so they went to the cia, and they said jonathan, and they said jonathan who? never heard of him. he had lied for 11 years and was just not showing up. so i imagine this guy with a swimming pool because he makes $100,000 per year, and his boss calls and says, jonathan, are you coming in? i am in istanbul. [laughter] a secret assignment. this is your government from top to bottom. recently, you might have heard about ebola. anybody not heard about ebola?
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so when something bad happens, and government does have a responsibility, they say republicans did not give us enough money. the last 10 years, the nih got $40 billion just for infectious disease. do you know how much they spent on ebola? less than 1% of that. do you know how much they spent on condoms? $2 million on condoms at the nih. they spent $939,000 trying to determine whether male fruit flies like a younger female fruit flies. during out a possible answer to that one. they spent $117,000 determining that monkeys like to throw things with their right hand and that monkeys throw poop on the best communicators. what i want to know is what were those monkeys trying to communicate? [laughter] this is just one agency.
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this goes throughout government. let me give you one more example. we spent half $1 million developing a menu for mars. if you have got a 26-year-old kid who lives in your basement, and you are trying to find him a job, perfect job. two weeks in hawaii, all expenses paid, plus a $5,000 stipend to work on a menu for mars. what do you think they came up with after two weeks? pizza. probably beer also. here is the thing. the last time you had a president look item for item was calvin coolidge, and he really did look at it. his salary included the food for all of the dignitaries, so he would be down in the kitchen. they would have the ambassador for france, and they would have a leftover turkey, and he would say, next time, i want only two hams, not three hams.
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a president who would look at every item of government. we really could cut. just a waste and the fat we could cut from government. we have $20 billion we give to corporations, and i say you want to get working class people? how about this. how about we take not one penny from the safety net before we cut every penny from corporate welfare? [applause] this administration has been scandal after scandal. it is sort of like old mcdonald's farm of scandals. here a scandal, there a scandal, everywhere a scandal. but benghazi, the whole idea that they could, or one specific person, the secretary of state, that hillary clinton could deny
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request after request after request for security. the media wants to think that this is about the talking points and the video that never really was part of the reason. that is important, but what is even more important is the person in charge of security, the person in charge of the state department for six maybe even nine months denied request after request. why? because they wanted to be politically correct. she did not want the military to wear military style boots because the libyans might be offended by a military presence. when we finally sent help, they had a 90 minute delay. why? she made them take their uniforms off. all spring long, there were requests. there were teams. the first two were let go because they didn't want to have a military presence. they did not want to make it look like we were there in force to protect our people. they did not want to offend the libyans. in the spring of that year, they
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requested a plane. they wanted a play to evacuate and go through the country. strickland denied. three days after the plane was tonight, do you know what hillary clinton did approve? she approved a charging station. they had all of these electric cars, and then they figured out after the fact they did not have a charging station, so she was willing to spend 1000 dollars on that, but she does not want any special forces there. the summer before the ambassador was killed, they spent $650,000 on facebook ads. it seems hillary clinton and the state department did not have enough friends on their facebook. they spent $650,000 on ads and money on landscaping for the embassy in brussels, and they spent $100,000 sending three comedians around. that is a necessity at the state department.
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you can't august 1 month before the attacks, and there is a 16-man personnel led by a kernel you may have seen on television. he kept asking again and again for please, and the state department sent him home, once again not wanting to offend the libyans, but the worst was in the final days, in the final weeks leading up to this, ambassador stephens said he pleaded for more security. protect us. the ambassador from britain had been attacked. the place was a mess. it never really had calmed down from the civil war, and when hillary clinton was given those cables, no answer. when she had her 3:00 a.m. moment, you remember the ads, who do you want to answer the phone at 3:00 a.m., at 3:00 a.m., the phone was just ringing and ringing and ringing, so when she can before my committee, i
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asked her, i said, and clinton, did you read those cables that were sent to you? why did you not act on those? and she said, i could not be bothered to read those. and i said, if you are not going to provide security for our embassies, if you are not going to provide security for our soldiers, it should permanently preclude you from ever holding higher office. as we move forward in election season, and it is one person at a time, at i going at a getting more voters, but it is also for our party, our party at large. we have to figure out how to be a bigger party. pennsylvania has been a republican state, now we are sort of a back and forth republican state. we lose some cities. we can win a game, but we have
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got to go to pittsburgh and philadelphia. we have to work on getting more votes from people who have not been considering us, and i made some comments the other day about our brand not being so great. it is true. you go on campus, and you need a young african-american woman, and does she say, republican party, great? no way. because our brand is broken. but what we have to do is show up and have something to offer. our cities have more problems. worse education, higher unemployment. a struggling economy. more of a drug problem. the three things i have done in the last you to try to make things better and open doors for us, number one, if a kid is caught with marijuana were selling marijuana, i do not think we need to jail them for 10 or 20 or 30 years. disproportionally, our jails are filled with black and brown and poor kids primarily.
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you think it does not affect you, think it through. one of your friends or cousins did something wrong in their life, and the question is, are we for a second chance? are we for retention? do you get to vote again? in my state, you do not get to vote again. i want people to vote. my neighbor had marijuana 30 years ago, and now as a felon cannot vote. and he also has to mark a box when he goes for employment to say he has been a felon. 30 years ago. we have to have compassion for people who may not be in the same circumstances as us in realize that poverty and crime goes back to poverty and crime and back to prison. we have to realize this is a problem. economic opportunity. democrats come and say we're going to help you. we are going to help poverty and unemployment. a lot of objective evidence is not working, but what are we going to offer them? what i'm going to offer them is something called economic freedoms those.
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an area that is poor in pittsburgh or louisville or appalachia in my state and say, you know what? we are going to rejuvenate your economy by leaving more money in it, dramatically more money in it. in detroit, $1 billion. in philadelphia, over $500 million. in pittsburgh, over $500 million. we would just leave money in philadelphia that originated there. but it will stimulate jobs, and that it is an argument. does government stimulate it, or would it be better to leave it in businesses in philadelphia? we have that argument. we show up. all of a sudden, we will be the party again. and finally i would say how we compete and how we win nationally again is we have to present optimism and hope, not one that casts aspersions, not one that is always looking to criticize people, but one that says our message hasn't for everyone. i am reminded of the danger who
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said two young painters, he said paint like a man coming over the hill singing. i think if we present our message with the passion of patrick henry but also the hope of a man coming over the hill singing, then i think we will be the dominant party again. thank you very much, and good luck. [applause] >> president obama campaigned today in pennsylvania for tom wolf, the democratic candidate for governor, he spoke at a rally at the university in philadelphia. a businessman and former revenue secretary going against republican incumbent tom
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corbett, who is seeking a second term. ♪ >> hello, philly. hello. give it up for your next governor, tom wolf. we have also got one of the best senators in the country, bob casey. top,essman schalke the your mayor michael nutter.
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andof your state senators your next lieutenant governor. outstandingree congressional candidate here today that deserve your vote. i want you guys to pay attention. you've got to go all the way down the ballot. you've got kevin strauss who served his country as an army ranger in iraq and afghanistan. we have brendan boyle who has lived out the american dream is the first in his family to go to college. i met all three of them. they are young, they are sharp. they are ready to fight for you if you send them to washington. nature to vote for them. and we've got all of you.
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this is a good-looking crowd right here. you, if you've got a seat, if you want to sit down, feel free. you want to stand up? you want to stand up, yes? all right. that is good, because i am going to try to get you out of your seats, because we have got some work to do. because two days from now, you get to choose your future. now, if you came to this rally, i suspect you already know there is an election, and you are planning to vote. otherwise, you thought there was a basketball game here, and that is not the case. [laughter] so i need all of you to go grab your friends, grab your classmates, talk to your coworkers, knock on some doors, make some phone calls, check out --
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>> i love you. >> i love you also, but i need you to vote. [laughter] go to, find out where your voting place is, and take your friends and neighbors to the polls, and when you do, make sure they vote for tom wolf. let me tell you why. let me tell you why. first of all, tom is just a nice guy. you can tell. he is a sincere person. he is not a professional politician. he is somebody who knows how to create jobs, knows how to start a business, knows how to serve the public. he is in it for the right reasons. you know he is going to do a good job, but also, i need everybody to recognize the moment we are in. this country has made real progress since the worst economic crisis of our lifetime. you think about where we were
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when i came into office. the economy was in freefall, the auto industry was about to disappear, housing prices were collapsing, the financial system in chaos, our unemployment rate went over 10%, and now over the past 4.5 years, america's businesses have created more than 10 million new jobs. over the past six months, our economy has grown at the fastest pace in more than a decade. there is almost no economic measure where we are not doing better. the deficit is cut by more than half. energy production up. high school graduation rates up. college attendance rates up.
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clean energy we have doubled. carbon emissions we have slowed, so we have made progress on every item, but what we also know, the reason we are here is because we have got so much more work to do. not everybody has felt growth in the economy. you know right here in pennsylvania, and unfortunately because we have had a governor who does not always work with us, pennsylvania ranked second to last in the country in job growth. second to last. you do not want to be second to last. and over the next week, you have got a chance to change that. you can choose a governor who does not put political ideology first. he puts you first. and that is the kind of governor you want. and tom understands the economy
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as a successful businessman. tom helped grow his family's company into the largest supplier of kitchen cabinets in the united states. now, there are a lot of kitchen cabinets in the united states, so i am just saying. you think about how many kitchen cabinets there are. if you are the largest, that is a lot of kitchen cabinets. [laughter] in 2006, he left that business and served as your secretary of revenue, then in 2009, he was getting ready to run for governor, but he got a phone call, and the company he had spent 25 years growing, a company he had left three years earlier was facing a very hard time because the recession was hitting, so like other businesses in the country, it was on the brink of bankruptcy. and tom could have decided, that is not my problem anymore -- on -- anymore. so he put his future on hold, brought the company back, starting to source cabinets made
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in america to compete with chinese imports, making sure his workers earned good benefits and good wages. he gave more than 20% of his profits back to his employees because tom believes if you work hard, then everybody in the company should share your success, not just those at the top but the workers who are actually doing the work. so tom just does not talk the talk. talk is cheap. he walks the walk.
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he is walking that walk. tom knows how to create jobs here in pennsylvania. he has done it, and now he is running because he believes if you work hard in this state, if you work hard in this country, you should share in the country's success, and tom has proven that when the going gets tough, he has got your back. that is what this election is all about. when you step in the voting booth, you are making a choice not just about party, not just about candidates. you are making a choice about two different visions of america, and you have got to ask yourself, who is going to be fighting for you? who is going to be on your side? who cares about the single mom? who cares about the student who may be the first in their family to go to college? who is going to fight for you? tom wolf. that is a good answer. you're paying attention. now, listen. listen. i want to say this. you know, republicans are patriots too. you know, they love their families, they want what is best the country. but i was trying to explain -- i was down in connecticut and i was trying to explain, you know, there are a lot of people in my family who i really love, but i would not put them in charge. you know?
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because they have got bad ideas. right? so i am not saying there is anything wrong with the republican leadership as sort of like, as americans. i am just saying they have got bad ideas. [applause] you know, they keep on offering -- they keep on offering a theory of the economy that you give more tax breaks to folks at the top, you cut investments in things like education, you loosen up regulations on the big banks and polluters and credit card companies, you cut the safety net for folks who have fallen on hard times, and somehow everybody's going to get better off. here is the thing. you know, i guess if we had not tried that for 10 years, resulting in ultimate disaster, maybe they would have an argument, but we did try it. it didn't work.
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we cannot go back to that. we have to go forward with tom wolf. tom has a different vision for what this country should look like, and it is rooted in that core belief in america, the notion that prosperity does not trickle down from the top. prosperity derives from a thriving middle class and folks working their way up into the middle class, and when everybody is doing well, then the entire country does well. that is his understanding of how the economy works. [applause] he wants -- tom wants to build pennsylvania 's economy from the middle class up, and he is not ideological about it. look, here is the thing you know about tom. he does not care whether the idea is republican or democrat as long as the idea works.
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he is a practical person who just wants to make it work for the people of pennsylvania. so he knows, for example, that education is the key, not just for economic growth but also for personal advancement in the modern economy. he is not going to run on an agenda of slashing budgets for schools or laying off thousands of teachers. he knows teachers matter. he knows that you should support teachers, not run down teachers, that we should respect teachers, and treat them as the professionals they are. he knows we should invest in our kids and early childhood education and make college a reality for more young people and make it more affordable. that is tom's plan for pennsylvania. tom believes that in a democracy like ours, elected officials
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serve the public, not the other way around, so he is not running to serve special interests or the status quo. he is running to change the way business is done in harrisburg. he believes that nobody who works full-time in this country should have to raise a family in poverty. you know, tom -- we had one republican governor recently who said the minimum wage serves no purpose. you are not going to hear tom say that because he knows the difference that a little bit of money can make for that hard-working mom or dad who is trying to make ends meet and save maybe for their kids' college education, pay a few bills. that is why atomic is not running against a minimum wage increase, -- tom is not running against a minimum wage increase, that is why tom is wanting to give pennsylvania a raise. tom believes that america is stronger when women are full and equal participants in the economy.
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it is bad enough that we have got republicans in congress who voted no on a fair pay law. you had one republican who is running for national office say you could argue the money is more important for men. that is a quote. he said that. i know he did not talk to michelle when he said that. [laughter] i know he did not talk to you either, did he? if we are going to strengthen the middle class for the 21st century, we need leaders who understand the 21st century and understand that women are in the workforce and understand that women are increasingly breadwinners in their family and understand that they should be able to get paid the same as men for doing the same job, and while we are at it, we should make sure that women have control of their health care choices, not some politician. you know, it is funny. when you ask republicans about climate change, they say, i am not a scientist. that is what they say.
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but when you ask them about a woman's right to make a health care decision, they all act like they are doctors. i want women to make those decisions. i mean, "mad men" is a good show, but we do not want that show in harrisburg. because when women succeed, america succeeds, and i want malia and sasha to have the same opportunity. same opportunities as somebody's sons. that should be common sense. so look. here is the bottom line. the biggest corporations, they do not need another champion. the wealthiest americans do not need another champion.
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they are doing just fine. but you know what is in need of a champion is somebody who understands opportunity for all is what american is all about. -- america is all about. opportunity for all is what pennsylvania is about. and that is what tom believes, but listen. you all have to vote. that is what this comes down to. you have got to vote. you know, i was talking to one of my staff members, and we were just running through the numbers, and the number of eligible voters who vote typically in a midterm is like in the 30's. i mean, ukraine just went through an election, and they have got a war going on, and they had about a 60% turnout.
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there is no excuse for us to just give away our power. if you wonder why things do not happen, if you wonder why sometimes elected officials do not seem responsive it is because so many of us stay-at-home. so i know i am preaching to the choir, but i am hoping you then take this message to folks who are not planning to vote. if you believe that we do not need to give millionaires another tax break, maybe give childcare tax breaks to families who are really struggling, you have got to vote for it. if you believe that our kids should have the best schools, then you have got to vote for it. if you think that we should make it easier for young people to go to college without ending up with tens of thousands of dollars worth of debt, you have got to vote for it. if you believe that an honest
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day's work deserves an honest days pay, you have got to vote for it. you have got to vote. you got to vote. vote. you have got to vote. this is straightforward. i have got a simple message. we have got to vote. four years ago, democrats lost. vote. vote. vote. vote. vote. [crowd chanting, "vote, vote, vote!"] good job you can i just say, it took forever to cut those letters out. i had those little scissors. [laughter]
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listen, four years ago, the democrats lost the governor's rate by 20 votes per precinct. 20 votes. 20. that was your cousin pookie not voting. that was jim, who was like drinking beer and setting up his fantasy football for next week, and he didn't vote. that is what happened. 20 votes could decide whether millions of hard-working pennsylvanians get the raise they deserve. those 20 votes could decide whether teachers get the support they need and whether our kids get a fair shot. 20 votes. your vote matters. it decides the course that pennsylvania will take, so i am not just asking you to vote, because i know all of you are going to vote.
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you have got to get involved. there are organizers here. as you are going out, you should try to hook up with them and talk to them about volunteering. go to volunteer. make some phone calls. knock on some doors. grab people you know. the election is too important to leave it to somebody else. it is up to you, and you make a difference. listen. i know -- i know that the hardest thing in politics is changing a stubborn status quo, and for the young people here especially, i want to emphasize this. sometimes it seems like folks in power care more about power than they care about you. i know that. and you are fed information every day that says nothing is changing, and everything is terrible, and when we do make progress, you don't hear about that. you hear about some conflict or some phony controversy, and over time, you get cynical, and you think, you know what?
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what i do doesn't make a difference, so you do not get involved, and sometimes you do not even bother to vote, and i am just here to say, especially to the young people, do not buy that. do not buy that. because despite the cynics, america is making progress. this country always makes progress despite unyielding opposition. there are workers who did not have a job before. there are families who have health insurance who did not have them before. there are students who are going to college who could not afford before. there are troops home from iraq and afghanistan with their families who were not home before. you know, cynicism is sometimes passed off as wisdom. there is nothing wise about it. cynicism did not put a man on the moon. cynicism never started a business or cured a disease or fueled a young minds.
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cynicism is a choice, and hope is a better choice. hope is what gave young people the courage to march for civil rights and voting rights and workers rights and women's rights and immigrants rights and gay rights, and hope is what built this country. the belief that there are better days ahead. the belief that together we can build up our middle class, that we can pass down something better for our kids. that is what built pennsylvania. that is what built america, a belief that america's best days are still ahead. you have got to believe it, and you have got to act on it. you have got to vote, and you have got to vote for tom wolf, and when you do, i promise you a better pennsylvania and a better future for this country.
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god bless america. let's get to work. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2014] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit] now a look at some of the closing days in 2014. this is from "washington journal." comments and tweets. host: abby livingston is reporter for roll call newspaper, and paul singer for "usa today." paul, in the 11th hour, does it feel like there is more uncertainty about how or when this will end? the when isinly new, it seems clear we will have a runoff in indiana at which means it will not be decided until december, it seems plausible we will have a runoff in georgia which means it will not be decided until january, at
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which point i am ready to take the rest of the year off. that is uncommon. we also have to wonder, so if some of them will be as close as they appear to be -- are there going to be recounts and legal challenges? those things could take weeks and months themselves. host: abby livingston, on the range of uncertainty, "usa today " webpage has seven tossup races, "real clear politics" eight races that are tossups. 10e political reports have tossups, why so much uncertainty? >> these races are down to the wire, the polling we are hearing about is within the margin of error, up one week by one point and down one week by another.
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my best barometer is when i talk to people on the hill and the changes in their tone of voice. are they more panicked this week or less panicked? >> who is the most panicked that you talk to? guest: certainly democrats. the one concern is that they republicans will gain control and we have known that for a long time. it comes down to the individual incumbent, and are their friends going to be coming back. there is fear that their best friend on the floor will not be coming back, about 17 of them are in serious trouble. what is a wave of election and how do we know when it is coming? guest: a wave election is when you see a tremendous sweep and changes in control. i think we are very close to seeing a republican takeover of
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the senate, i am not sure if , if will count as a wave they win everything on the table, if they run the table and win all of these in between seats, maybe you can call that a wave. if scott brown wins in new jean for, if he beats a democratic held seat, if thom tillis beats kay hagan in north carolina on the east coast, that is where you begin to see the signs. those are the states where at the moment democrats have the best chance of holding on. if they lose those two first it does not look good in iowa already and by the time we get to alaska, it could very well have been a sweep. host: are you bracing for a wave at all? possibly,the outside
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projections keep getting higher. the range could go to 12. i heard the number 24, that is hard to digest. and a house isn a republicans have somebody seats that there aren't that many more to win. they may be held to a standard that they think is unfair, there just aren't that many districts left. host: susan davis, a reporter she had a tweet, amazing that $800 billion is for whathouse races will be a movement of five to 10 seats and no change of party control. $800 million. i'm looking forward to the final numbers if it is four seats and $1 billion spent. we're looking at a total arms race of money. host: we are talking of abby
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livingston of "roll call." and paul singer of "usa today your call --"usa today. host: we will start with george from south carolina on the line for republicans. good morning, everyone. i think the presence of those who want and can participate is much more than the previous election, at least it shows that. am 25 years old -- looking at this community
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at this election as the persons -- the people come to give their vote -- it will be less than the previous one because they want to boycott the election -- host: paul singer, talking about voter turnout what are the expectations. he has a good point, there was a poll in usa today a couple of days ago that found people were not excited about going to vote and not enthusiastic about who would take congress next and we have this great quote from a voter who says it is just a cornucopia cky out there. george is right, i would be stunned to see significant turnout.
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the democrats are making a major push, particularly in louisiana, georgia, even alaska to get people to the polls. if they are going to win these races, all of these places need tremendous turnout particularly among enormities and young people. host: some of the headlines from today, here is "washington post ." drama in the home stretch, gop closes in but it may not and on election day. in in- early voters turn droves to cast their ballots. one story from "the miami herald." the final push. let's go to lena, portland, oregon. say that would like to first i have already voted and i think -- as a person of color i
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would like to say one of the problems that weighs heavy with me -- i want to make this sound as good as i can, as respectful democrats -- ie look at how they are running from obama. grimes -- she was enough to make you want to cry but all over the country they are doing that and the man has done better than haveabout any president i ever known, i m 65 years old. what do you want from him, he is not god. people are not voting with their pocketbooks, they are voting grace. voted, ilike me, i have felt hard fallen because it doesn't matter whether i vote, i
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would never vote for a republican but the democrats are such cowards -- anything to get elected so they seem to be just as power-hungry as the republicans. lena rings up at high-profile kentucky race, our house candidates running away from president obama as much as the senators? good: lena had a really point in this is a growing debate, the you go all in with the president, get your base to come out or run from him. what is happening in a lot of these house races is democrats are running in hostile territory. for instance in southern west virginia, nick needs to win by 90%. president obama internally poling when thauf kind of dynamic it's
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really hard for nick ray hall to say i know you don't like obama but still vote for me. there's a nuance he has to do. i can't think of any specific ads but he's definitely not hugging president obama and inviting him to come into the district. >> you bring up nick ray hal listed in your recent story out from yesterday one of the most vulnerable house incumbents. who else makes that list according to the roll call analysis? >> we have some interesting members. illinois tops the list. there's a bad feeling in illinois this year. the gubetorle race is dragging down democrats. he got a late start to his campaign and he as freshman. so he really hasn't established his brand. most people think nick ray hal is the most vulnerable. he's got a good local branch they call him nicky joe in the district. that's why we felt he wasn't number one we moved him down kind of contrary to
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conventional wisdom. >> another closely watched one lee terry. guest: yes. host: the most number two. guest: and he is a republican. he made a comment during the government shutdown about how he needed to accept his paycheck when a lot of other members were turning him down to pay for his nice house. that has not sat well. people on the street can repeat the advertisements repeating his quotes verbatim. so he has a very toxic presence right now. so his problem is not necessarily what's going on in the big picture but it reflects the anger voters feel. host: if you want to check out that entire list it's roll you can see on the screen there. those are the race ratings for all the different house races around the country. florence, south carolina on our line for republicans. good morning. caller: good morning. >> go ahead. caller: good morning.
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host: you're on the "washington journal." go ahead. caller: i think our government is broken. it needs to be completely overhauled. therefore, i believe that they all need to be voted out and all new voted in. think this is the time as -- i think this is a time that our military active reserve retired and former need to get out and vote. host: wayne with a comment on the getting out the vote. talk about tossing the bums out. the dissatisfaction that voters have. have we seen more members than usual this cycle be defeated more incumbents be defeated this cycle than usual? guest: we thought there may be a wave of incumbents being challenged particularly on the republican side with tea party challengers. we didn't actually see a great deal of that. a lot of the incumbents managed to dig in. at the moment one of the most exciting on the republican side
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remains pat roberts of kansas where you have he's actually running an independent named greg orman they're neck and neck. hard to tell what's going to happen. host: are we going to see more independents run in the future? guest: that's an interesting question. you could in theory now have a three or four member independent block in the senate at the end of this election cycle which would be pretty remarkable. you know, independent candidates still have the same problem that -- it's hard to get name recognition it's hard to get party support and frequently in many states they can't get on the ballot. the ballot access issues are extraordinary for third parties and independent. so e it remains ab institutional problem where you cannot get easily on third parties on a ballot and they're not going to win lots of seethe but there's an enormous dwiss satisfaction with both parties. so it's a nice opportunity for
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rossdz perot or high dollar figure to step up and fund their own campaign in 2016. i wouldn't be surprised if you see somebody trying to make that case. host: but easier than a house or senate level? >> sometimes. but it's hard tore get traction in those small races if the parties are so even trenched there's no other avenue for you. i think there's a couple in new york in the house seats trying to get on the ballots and again trying to get traction and attention. it's hard to do. host: gerald in highland, california. good morning. thanks for getting up with us. caller: thank you for allowing me to get in there. i'm a retired naval commander special operations i fought in vietnam twice as a sea be. what i want to mention i see both parties doing this same thing. it's the same old sandwich different mayonnaise nothing is going to be done at the ballot. it's going to take something much more severe because these
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guys are lying lawyers both sides of the parties. they never tell the truth. they dance around the issue. they will not answer you yes or no. and we're frustrated. i am so sick of this nonsense. it's like somebody telling me they're peeing on my leg and it's only rain. we're tired of the lies, the -- all the nonsense going on. also like wall street during the bubble no one went to jail. i told my students i'm a retired college professor, too. go to wall street change your last name you'll never go to prison and you can steal all you want. host: you've been out on the campaign trail a bit. are you seeing that same sentiment that gerald expresses with the frustration of congress? guest: absolutely. and gerald had an interesting point and reflects the unique thing about this cycle, which is in past cycles there's been anger at one party or the other. president obama, president bush, congress. but what's going on here is voters are angry at both obama and both the


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