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live scheduled for 12:30 eastern. tonight at 7:00 debate in pennsylvania for the u.s. senate between maps to me -- pat toomey and katie mcginty. another tossup state is north carolina. the l.a. times reporting on hillary clinton's strategy in the battleground state. here's more on the race from this morning's washington journal. to this work -- >> talk with experts and people who are watching the races not only in the presidential side but the senate races in other races as well. we start today in north carolina. tamara will focus on iowa, pennsylvania will be our next stop on wednesday. on thursday we will take a look at florida and on friday, the state of ohio. joining us from winston-salem come to set things up for us and start our conversation is john dinan, a professor at wake
forest university. the beginning your time and welcome to c-span. guest: good to be here. host: could you tell us in simple terms why north carolina is a battleground state? guest: several metrics. you could make the case that north carolina was the most competitive state in 2008 and 2012. barack obama won by less than half a percentage point in less than 2008. -- you could make a case that no other state was that competitive in both of those elections the last two times. not surprising in 2016 a continuation of that. you just look at where the candidates are devoting their scarcest resource, their time for visits. they've been devoting as much time for visiting north carolina as any other state. the traditional battlegrounds, ohio, florida, north carolina has been right up there. look where the candidates are visiting.
host: bob trump in the state recently. secretary clinton was there on sunday. she will be back with michelle obama this week at wake forest university. guest: in some ways other states , ohio, florida, sometimes pennsylvania, they have been getting these regular visits by the candidates. north carolina has a little bit of that in 2008. 2016 has become a regular event that you might have a chance to see one of the candidates, one of the candidates family members , one of the vice president's, one of the surrogates for the candidate. election data shows us when it comes to the breakdown of the state itself about 10 million residents and when it comes to political party, 2.7 registered as democrats. about 2 million republicans 30,000 libertarian's. talk about the unaffiliated.
is that where the focus is? guest: it is also on turning out the vote of republicans and -- voter who are turnout will average somewhere in the high 50's, get up to 60%. you have a lot of work to be done to motivate your base voters. there is some persuasion with the unaffiliated. the i affiliate category has been increasing in recent years. one of the advantages to be unaffiliated in north carolina is you can vote and either republican or democratic party. a lot of people are very strongly democratic or republican. that being said there are true undecideds. host: wake forest university's john dinan with us to talk about battleground states. we start with north carolina today. if you want to ask them questions about his state and what it is looking like not only
on a presidential but other levels have divided the lines. a north carolina resident, give us a call (202) 748-8000. .ll others, (202) 748-8001 you can post thoughts on twitter as well at c-span wj. we started the show with a map taking a look at the state of north carolina and highlighting some of the key cities with that map. could you tell us what areas of ,he state favor hillary clinton what areas favor donald trump? guest: you got some key population centers in north carolina. you go down to charlotte and you go over to the triangle region, raleigh durham chapel hill. you come over to the western part of the state in a triadic region where im, you have some other areas as well, wilmington, asheville. really the major population centers in particular the .ities, urban areas
in north carolina as another state area donald trump's key support and republican support traditionally is going to be in rural areas. the rural battleground will and askedthe suburb urban areas outside of the main population centers. that is often times where there are votes to be won if you take the urban areas going to democrats. spending aampaign lot of time in those areas that you highlighted? especially where areas are up for grabs? guest: the clinton campaign is going to be going to some of the traditional places going to charlotte, winston-salem, greensboro. donald trump is going to some of the same areas. if seen donald trump go to some rural areas. donald trump went to one town, a of under what thousand people. -- under 1000 people. a recognition that that is where
a lot of the votes are. that he is going to have to win if he is going to keep the state competitive to run up the vote totals for republicans. he's got to expand those vote totals. that's been the promise of the trunk campaign. we will see whether that pans out. host: before we take our first call, states described as red or blue, how would you describe your state right now? guest: i would say it's neither one. certainly in presidential races it's become competitive. wraps the most competitive state. nonpresidential years when we talk about the senate race up or congressional races the turnout differential still gives an advantage to republicans over democrats such as in the 2014 midterm elections or 2010 midterm elections. when we talk about a presidential election year cut 2008, 2012, 2016, the democratic boost makes north carolina competitive.
host: john dinan from wake forest university is joining us and taking your calls. we start with lucio from raleigh, north carolina. our line for north carolina residents. good morning. is, themy question republican party has sent a message in north carolina to african-americans and that message is we don't want you to vote. we hope you don't vote. we going to make it difficult for you to vote. through three lawsuits, they spent like $9 million trying to suppress the vote. i want to know why does the republican party seem to put the party over the people? host: professor dimon? guest: there's no doubt north carolina, not the only state texas was also in the center of several legal battles. challenge, north carolina in 2013 past a reform law. it had a number of components. it imposed voter id requirement for the first time. reduced the number of days of
early voting from 17 days to 10 days and eliminated same-day registration. the ability to register to vote and vote on the same day. some other provisions as well. an omnibus bill challenged in federal court. initially a u.s. district judge upheld the law in all respects. a three-judge panel struck down the provisions. went up to the u.s. supreme court for emergency repeal. -- emergency appeal. allowing the appellate courts decision to stand. the total that means that there is no voter id requirement the selection. -- this election. and there is the opportunity to register and vote during early voting period. those all have various implications. scholars looked at what difference do these make. it's not clear whether voter id requirement has much effect on voter turnout. it's not clear that early voting
period, surprising that that has much of an effect. the one requirement that has a lot of affect is the ability to register to vote and vote on the same day. that does seem to boost turnout. the key point is that that is restored in a way that would otherwise not have been present if the law had been allowed to stand. host: peter is up next with our guest. good morning. caller: thank's for having me on. new jersey was always the cross road state in revolutionary wars. some of the battles fought here. all of america is a battleground and we are fighting for our survival as an independent nation. i wanted to make a comment about the new is blackout about -- 20% and transferring to 50% of america's uranium stockpile to russia in exchange for $130 million being put into the clinton foundation. the only one i've heard even mention that was really giuliani in his speech in introducing donald trump in new hampshire
valley. the media blackout about that. the same nonsense happened when bill clinton was put -- was president and the information started to come out about -- where he transferred technology to the communist chinese for them to be able to accurately target missiles on american cities. all of a sudden all of the media was monica lewinsky. a big smokescreen of securing his real crimes. bigger crime of treason. host: any thoughts on that? guest: it's perhaps not surprising that in the final month come up final weeks of the campaign many of the candidates that begin focusing not so much on what they can bring to the table positively. here are my policies, education policy, tax policy. there is some of that that we are in a polarized air -- polarized era in which most people make decisions based on what's positive about their candidate but about what they perceived to be negatives of the other candidate. you will see a number of
charges, claims made, criticisms brought up about the other candidate. that could be expected to dominate the final few weeks of the campaign because that is likely what will motivate a number of people to vote. not so much, here's my plan for bringing down the deficit or fixing the school system. that is in keeping with that tradition we've seen. host: the caller mentioned the clinton foundation. do most north carolinians follow that story line? do they care? it is they will care when prominent, brought up. donald trump has been bringing of those matters at his rallies. he gets applause at his rallies. it's a matter of whether or not things get salient and prominent treatment outside trump rallies, at sign trump appeals to the extent that it gets prominent coverage in network news broadcasts or others. that will lead voters to get a signal, this is something i should care about. from rallies come unclear how
much salient it has beyond the trump campaign appeals. host: jesse is up next our line for residents. go ahead. caller: i would like to make some comments. i've always been a democrat but now i am not a democrat because of the fact that this woman has stood up there, she had lied. .he wants to have free trade she wants to open the borders up. how did the people in america, especially the women, how do they realize -- what did they think about having jobs? if we give them all to the other people, we're not going to have anything and there's too many people, not just in north carolina, that need the help. i wish that they would all get educated in the next 15 days and realize what is going on.
but woman is doing nothing using women and the blacks. it's a shame. it is going to be a crime and shame when we have her in the office. you've got four years of her. thoughts?essor, your guest: the caller mentioned two issues in particular that have really had resonance at trump campaign rallies and trump campaign advertisements. and the trade issue immigration issue. if you go to a donald trump speech in north carolina is a very good chance you would be surprised if he did not mention free trade as an issue. his criticism of bad trade deals within the first five to 10 minutes of the campaign. that has residents. it has prominence in the trunk campaign speeches and it does seem to resonate at his rallies. one thatration issues
trouble bring up. perhaps not as prominently but also still prominently. the criticism there is we don't have border security. how do we get more's control? those issues you here at other trump rallies in other trump speeches. but particularly in north carolina those have been prominent. no surprise that the caller would mention those and that those of have certainly been prominent features of the trump campaign. host: according to the department of labor there's a 4.7 unemployment rate currently in the state of north carolina. how does that play out when it comes to people's concerns about the economy and jobs? guest: and adjusting dynamic in regards to the health of the north carolina economy. we had a republican governor, pat mccrory who just took office four years ago and is running for reelection against roy cooper. mccrory's main arguments for reelection is that
he has brought the north carolina economy back to where it should be. .he carolina comeback he says our unemployment rate was among the highest in the nation when mcquarrie took office. now it is more toward the national average and were healthy. you can also see the different dynamic, what you would expect -- incumbentr governor to town good economic news. the trump campaign, they are -- there are challenges to the economy. so they are more inclined to emphasize negatives about the economy. some challenges. you can actually see different messages north carolina voters would be getting depending on whether they're hearing a presidential campaign or a state level governor campaign. host: (202) 748-8000 if you are a north carolina resident. and (202) 748-8001 for all others.
john dinan joining us on this first day of a five-day look at battleground states focusing on the state of north carolina. larry lives in morgantown in the state. larry, you're next, hello. caller: good morning. as go questions for the professor. i want to know why they closed college campus voting and no more sunday voting day. guest: the caller is referring to the voter reform act we were discussing a few minutes ago. passed in 2013. it did make several changes. one of the changes they made or tried to make was in the early voting period. north carolina had 17's -- 17 days of early voting and in some counties that would include sunday early voting. in other counties they would choose not to have sunday early voting area always discussions about where should be the precinct in which you have early voting and where you should have the sites for voting on election day. , it law was put in place
had effect in 2014 for those elections. for the current elections based on an appellate court, a three-judge panel, federal court of appeals of the fourth circuit, those changes are not in effect anymore. back to the full 17 days of early voting. it is the case the county still has decisions to make. at 10voting precincts precinct in the county or do you have it at 16? those debates have continued. those have always been a local decision and continue to be a local decision. depending on what people estimate of the people of north carolina they may see sunday early voting. as one of the testaments. people come from other countries and they expect a very uniform nationally run election system in the united states in the first their surprise is how much is gretchen there is at the state level. the second thing is how much discretion there is at the level. various counties within a state to stomach a lot of these
decisions. how many early voting precincts? where should they be placed? you see those decisions made in different ways depending on what parts of north carolina where you live. host: did flooding affect voting or the ability for people to vote? it was significant --oding in the eastern part highways that were closed down for -- really did dominate --ention for the state debates for the government race and the first thing the candidate said as they start off as they said all prayers for the people who have been displaced and affected by when someone has lost the lies by hurricane matthew. some of you may not be able to watch this debate. you actually don't get -- you don't have power to have tv sets up and running. it did dominate attention.
it does have some political effects. governor mccrory spent a lot of -- and some but he has been opportunity to act in an executive capacity in that sense. people suck governor mccrory for some time not only as a candidate but as someone acting as executive capacity. probably the political effect we seen in the past few weeks. host: janet lives in west virginia on our line for all others. janet, extra calling, go ahead. caller: people say that hillary is qualified intro isn't. anything i can see she is qualified for his filling her pocketbook. , it she did in benghazi can't believe that anybody could vote for her. and she lied about that lady, telling her there was a movie. so did obama.
it was on tv. open our borders, i can't understand that. , a housebible says divided cannot stand and when you have people in here that aboutuch a radical thing -- i don't know if you would call it religion, they've cut people's heads off. they shoot the police every day. you never heard of that until obama got in and hillary. she is as phony as you can be. it started back in arkansas. i just think people are blinded. host: that is janet in west virginia. -- it there is no doubt is worth repeating because it is significant. two candidates with such historically high on
favorability ratings. some candidates have a little higher on favorability rating of the two, but compared with previous candidates that is the situation we are in. a lot of the people, the pet -- the question is what affect does that have on turn out to vote. it probably is the case that there could be some people who do not turn out to vote, just turned off. i can't really vote for either of these candidates. third-party candidates always have a tough time of it. there's one third-party candidate on the ballot, gary johnson is on the ballot. jill stein, the green party but candidate is not on the ballot. .ou can write her in historically high on favorability rating. there's a push toward third-party candidates. that them push them toward libertarian. we will see. one of the things we will be watching for. historically third-party candidates might hold 5% to seven percentage points.
that fades as we get closer to the election. we will watch to see whether that holds of this time in light of the dissatisfaction people clearly have with the two major party candidates. host: can you tell us about the religious makeup of the state and how that plays out when people go to vote? certainly, historically has been dominant protestant, baptist in particular. a growing number of other religions. growing number of catholics, other religions certainly moving into the state. a significant inflow of migration of evil into the state. that being said, when you look at the population, evangelical population in terms of voters, it's still high as you would expect in other southern states and similarly situated states. there's no doubt that religious denomination plays a role. noted,al science has protestants would give their
support to republican presidential candidates. catholics would give their support of democratic candidates, in recent years more split. what political scientists focus on is less the divide among denominations. the frequency and commitment to religious worship. if you could ask one question these days -- and you probably have several questions but one of the leading question to ask someone if you wanted to predict are they likely to vote republican or democrat for president u.s. county times a you times among -- a month attend religious services. the higher the number is the more likely the person is to vote republican. we don't ask as much are you catholic, jewish, protestant. we ask what is your level of commitment to religion. host: lansing, north carolina. this is dane. caller: hey. i'm 68 years old.
social security was set up back in the depression and i know who set up medicare paid for my open-heart surgery. 80% of it. it took a small amount of my social security check. the democratic party set that up for us. taking care of us. they looked at the great depression and if we get trouble in there were going to have another. you will have to protect what you have. host: thanks. guest: the caller has focused attention on some of the most important programs the federal government runs. social security, medicare. we could talk about medicaid, the shared state federal response for health care for low-income people. and yet come away striking to a number of political analysts is how low amount of attention those types of issues have
gotten in the debates, in the campaign as a whole. we saw in the third presidential debate the moderator tried to press the candidates on these issues. the candidates did not want to spend as much time talking about these issues. those are crucially important. nowal security programs -- beginning to enter a situation where it will face some challenges economically. medicare is taking an increasing percentage of the federal budget. the many things that's disappointing about this presidential campaign, and there have been a number of disappointments, for me that would rank up there. the failure to devote more time to focus more attention on how to we make sure that these programs are healthy going forward. what are competing plans for that? you would not see a lot of attention given to that of a trunk campaign or a clinton campaign of north carolina and yet perhaps no issues deserve more attention. host: clinton, maryland on our
line for others. come, you are next. -- tom, you are next. guest: you're talking about social security. -- americansto ask were so in favor of donald trump come up where did they think they will get the money to pay social security if he gives his huge tax cut the business? get our moneywe from to pay our social security and medicare and that sort of things from taxes. we had this gentleman donald trump, he pays no taxes and people are thinking about voting for somebody who does nothing to support our government. i don't know where their mines are. this racial thing has got to leave america for it is going to destroy us. it makes no sense to give up your right as american citizens to follow somebody because he has some foolishness to say he can do what he can do like a
dictator. he talks look at dictator, acts like a dictator. he probably is given the opportunity. guest: the caller has focused attention on the tax plans of the two candidates. i would say that the tax plans have gotten somewhat more attention than plans for social security and medicare. here as well i think we could have benefited from even more attention to tax plans. if we look at the three presidential debates and the one vice president of debate and out of the amount of time devoted to some of these issues i think in many cases voters and analysts were wishing that there would have been more attention devoted to drilling down the trunk tax .lan would have what features hillary clinton's plan for tax reform and taxes going forward with have what features? i would expect that if you ask a number of voters to give a soundbite, how would you characterize the trunk tax plan versus the clinton tax plan, it
would probably be difficult. crabs because the candidates themselves have not amplified that to a great degree but also just has not been as prominent. if there is one issue that has been on the table for the last two to four years, and will almost certainly be on the table for the next two to four years, a window of opportunity for reforming the tax code. democrats have a plan, republicans have a plan. it will make a significant difference and it could well be not much gets through washington but there's a possibility of movement on tax reform. all the more important going forward. you hear maybe a little more from the candidates. how would you use that policy? host: our focus is on battleground states this week. john diamond from wake forest university joining us to start our discussion. carol lives in glenville, north carolina. go ahead. caller: thanks for having me on. going to address the caller who
claimed that voter id was a way to suppress votes. who claimed voter id was a way to suppress votes. what voter id does. what drive he actually does is it protects legal voters. doesat voter id actually is it protects legal voters. i think they have that voter id requirement in many states. i voted for a long time in the state of georgia, where we had voter id, and it seemed to be just fine. now they say, these people that there is a it, say way -- there's not a way for everyone to have an id. i can't figure out who it is that does not have an id these days. and that law that was passed by the legislature made getting an id as easy as anything anyone has ever done, right down to go into various institutions to see the people signed on for a voter
id. thanks, carol. guest: there is no doubt the voter id issue has been a very contentious one in north china, ever since the legislature passed the 2013 law -- in north carolina, ever since the legislature passed the 2013 law. it has been a matter of political debate. it has been a matter of legal filing. of linerolina is out with the majority of states that now do have an id requirement of some kind. those requirements very. sometimes it's a non-photo id, sometimes a photo id. it is the case that north carolina is out of touch with its neighbors, each of whom would require voter id of some kind. that has been resolved by a
three-judge panel at the fourth circuit of appeals and at least for this election, there will not be a voter id requirement in north carolina. professor, we have a viewer on twitter that asks this question -- governor mcclory should be defeated just for signing hb2. can you give background for us? guest: sure. that has been the subject of much discussion the spring. it starts with the city of charlotte that established an ordinance that provided transgender rights and privileges and allowed individuals access to bathroom's that corresponded with their gender identity. the was much debate about whether the city of charlotte could do that legally in north carolina, or if that was the responsibility of the state. the state legislature held a one-date session and passed a law overturning the charlotte ordinance and going further than that and saying individuals in public facilities in north required to goe
to bathrooms that correspond with their gender -- not necessarily their gender identity. that has been a matter of much discussion in north carolina. it has also been the matter of some legal filings. it is now currently tied up in court and moving forward in court. politically speaking though, what do we know about this? politically speaking, ever since some people reacted to that law -- businesses made decisions we will no longer increase our ininesses, but our business north carolina and athletic departments -- the atlantic ncat conference, in c aa -- a decided to withdraw championships. it is the last of those that really seemed to kick things which people in surveys recently, they say do law orrove of this hb2
disapprove? is approval is clearly outpacing approval. no surprise the democratic candidates in the state have -- in their appeals and campaign was-- have been saying hb2 a mistake. you should oppose governor mccrory in any legislators who supported hb2. in virtually any campaign at uc. what remains is whether that will have a political effect? how will that affair uncovered that mccrory's reelection bid? we'll be watching carefully not only the presidential case in north carolina, not only the senate race, but the governor's race and the state legislative races -- what is the effect of the hb2 law? alabama, good morning. caller: hello. be allowed tols
vote in the election in north carolina? number two, this tpp, the current trade deal waiting in , it is my understanding they will be able to move workers from all of these areas -- will leave the last moments of this discussion, but you can find it on c-span.org. we will go to the british house of commons, prime minister theresa may about to talk about britain leaving the european union. you will hear leaders as well. -- you will hear opposition leaders as well. >> i swear by almighty god that i will be faithful and their true allegiance to her majesty, queen elisabeth, her heirs and
order. points of come to order later, but in the usual way. i'm very happy to attend to a point of order as a later point. statements -- the prime minister. >> hear, hear! prime minister may: with permission, mr. speaker, i like to do statement on my first european council last week. on to the council with a clear message from attorney seven european counterparts. the u.k. is leaving the eu, but we're not leaving europe and we are not turning out backs on our friends and allies. as long as we are members of the eu, we will continue to play a full and active role, and after we leave, we will be a confident, outward looking country, enthusiastic about trading freely with our european neighbors and cooperating on our ,hared security interest
including law enforcement and counterterrorism work. for is the right approach britain to take and it was in the spirit we were able to make a significant contribution of this council on ensuring a robust european front in the face of russian aggression, on addressing the root causes of mass migration, and championing free-trade around the world. let me say a word about each. mr. speaker, russia's indiscriminate bombing of civilians in aleppo and atrocities elsewhere are utterly horrific. it is vital we keep up the pressure on russia and the syrian regime to stop its appalling actions and create the base for a genuine political transition in syria. it was the u.k. that put this issue on the agenda for the council. , theght arm row friend foreign secretary, made the robust response last month and i
spoke directly to chancellor merkel and -- i out of the council last week. they strongly condemned the attacks, called for immediate cessation of the still is, and amended those responsible for breaches of humanitarian law and human rights be held accountable. we need to go further, which is why we agree if current atrocities continue, that you will consider all available options. we also agree everything should be done to bring humanitarian aid to the civilian population. friday in geneva, the u.k. secured an extraordinary session of the human rights council to enable a cease-fire for humanitarian access to aleppo. there are millions of civilians trapped there and in other proceeds to locations, in desperate need of food, shelter, and health care. the largestalready bilateral humanitarian donor to
this crisis, and if we could secure access to aleppo another besieged areas, we stand ready to provide 23 million pounds of aid to help the most vulnerable in the hardest to reach parts of syria. crisis,to the migration the home secretary will be giving a statement on calle shortly. at the european council, i confirmed the u.k. will continue to provide practical support to our european partners, especially through our presence in the aegean and mediterranean. hms echo will take over from hma -- hms enterprise and next year. i also reiterate the case i made last month at the united nations for a global approach to migration based on three fundamental principles. first, ensuring refugees claim asylum in the first country they reach. the solution between
refugees and economic migrants. and third, a better overall approach to managing economic migration, which recognizes all countries have the right to control their borders in all countries must commit to accepting the return of their own nationals when they have no right to remain a swear. this -- remain elsewhere. this new approach requires working closely with transit countries and pledged to return migrants who have no right to stay in eu countries. turning to trade, i am determined, as we leave the eu, britain will be the most passionate, the most consistent, and the most convincing advocate of free trade anywhere in the world. the honda are consonant, we will seize the -- as weties of brexit look beyond our continent, we will seize the opportunities of brexit. the u.k. is already discussing
our future trading relationship with her countries. this will not undermine the eu trade agenda. it is not in competition with it. as long as we remain a member of the eu, we will continue to back the eu's free-trade negotiations. i shared everyone's disappointment on the stalled talks between the eu and canada and we will, of course, do anything we can to get these discussions by contract. those who suggest these difficulties have a bearing on our own future negotiations, i would remind them we are not seeking to replicate an existing model in the other country has with the european union. we will be developing our own british model -- >> hear, hear! a newminister may: relationship for the u.k. and the eu, a deal that is ambitious and bold for britain.
mr. speaker, i also updated the european council on our position on brexit. i said we would invoke article 15 no later than march next year and is part of the withdrawal process, we will put before parliament a great repeal bill, which will remove from the statute book was enthralled the european community's land. the legislation that gives direct effect for all eu business of business and the authority of eu law and britain will end. it will also give parliament the opportunity to discuss our approach for leaving the european union. to discussion from my right honorable friend, my iron statement following council meetings, and the discussion on the committee for exiting the eu, the government will make time available for a series of debates on the future of the
u.k. with the eu. these will take place before and after the christmas recess, and i expect will include debates on negotiations the government will pursue. we must recognize the government does not show his hand in detail as we enter into negotiations. it is important members have this opportunity to speak on issues that matter to their constituents as we make preparations to leave the eu. while we have not yet formally started the brexit negotiations, my aim is to cement that britain is a close partner with e.u. once we have left. i want the deal we negotiate to reflect the kind of mature, operative relationship close friends and allies and joy, a
deal that would give british topanies the maximum freedom operate within the european market and allow european is mrs. the -- businesses the ability to do the same here. i feel that is in britain's interest in the interest of all of our european partners. but it will also be a deal that means we are fully an independent, sovereign nation, able to do what sovereign nations do, which means we will be free to decide how we control immigration. our laws are made, not in brussels, but in this parliament and judges interpreting those laws will not be in luxembourg, but in courts right here in britain. mr. speaker, the negotiations will take time. there will be difficult moments ahead and as i said before, it will require patience and give-and-take. i firmly believe if we approach
this in a constructive spirit, we can ensure a smooth departure. we can build a powerful new relationship that works for the u.k. and countries of the eu. that isecure a deal right for the british people, whose instruction it is our duty to deliver. i commend this statement to the house. >> jeremy corbyn. byn: thank you, mr. speaker. i would like to thank the prime minister for the advance copy of the statement she a fitness. funnily enough, i was also in brussels last tuesday, for a meeting of socialist leaders and their counterparts. i have to say, i was given a little longer to speak than the five minutes the prime minister had at the dinner that evening, and at a more reasonable time of day. and indeed, i was into very carefully by all those around the table.
made it clear, mr. speaker, to the other leaders that britain should continue to be a full and active member of the european union until negotiations on our exit are complete. i think the prime minister was trying to send the same message, but the manner in which she conveyed it was rather different , as she seemed to be not trying to build a consensus that is necessary or to shape a future relationship with the european union that is beneficial to everybody. she had a very different approach. message thatthe came to me loud and clear from european leaders last week was the tell taken by this tory government since their tory party conference early this month has damaged our global reputation and lost us a lot of good will, not just in europe, but around the world. and although the prime minister's words may have , theyed hard-line voices
only have spread anger and resentment across europe by the approach she and her party have taken. i do not believe we will get the best deal for this country by using threats, hectoring, or lecturing of the european union. negotiations to proceed, the government frankly means to adopt a slightly more grown-up approach. the negotiations you can see -- written means a plan. and what is clear to everybody -- britain needs a plan. what is clear to everybody, quite clearly the government does not have one. can the prime minister tell the house if any progress has been made since the council meeting last week? is she willing to tell us if access to single market is a redline for the government or not? the prime minister has made it clear she wants to and freedom of movement, but it has not been clear to business what will be taken in its place, causing uncertainty for business
for nationals who reside -- and for nationals to reside in this country make a great contribution to our economy. and she has not said whether they will amend the great repeal bill by allowing a sunset laws, allowing ministers to strip away eu laws on workers rights and environmental protection in the years that succeed the exit from the european union and also tell us how the government plans to make up the shortfall of funding for those regions resulting from the loss of structural funding for vital capital programs all over this country. week the secretary will say one thing, the next week the chancellor will say another. they will not say anything other than brexit means brexit and will not provide a running commentary. the rest of the world concludes
britain has not got a clue. the truth is this is not a soft brexit or even a hard brexit. and all of this uncertainty all of these mixed messages, day by day, confidence in this economy falls on the british people become more worried about their future. at two weeks ago, the treasury said that leaving single market would lead to a 66 billion pound loss to the economy. the trade deficit is widening. the value of the pound has fallen by 18%. the auto industry and others are delaying vital investment decisions and the banking sector is looking to relocate. this indecision and poor economic management and starting to hit our economy severely, weakening the pound as we walk into the most important negotiations for many generations. we on the side of the house respect to the referendum result
and respect that britain must leave the european union. we also understand this will be a monumental exercise, with the decisions made now affecting the lives of british people for years to come. the prime minister appears to be making some sort of concession about parliamentary scrutiny. and her reply, i would be grateful if she would explain exactly what the nature of these debates will be each side of the christmas recess. we will not just stand by and let this government choose the terms of brexit unopposed. it is our duty to scrutinize and our duty to make sure this government does have a brexit plan for this country, not just a pregnant plan for the eurosceptics behind her. not just a brexit plan for the eurosceptics behind her. and we will push for a full say in this matter around the christmas recess. the french authorities will be in the formal closure of the and i would like to
take this opportunity to welcome those children who have already arrived in this country, as well as others who have family connections. this camp, mr. speaker, and i have seen it myself, has become a hellish place where the movie world's most vulnerable people have come to try to survive and call it their home. it remains unclear what process and the timetable the government is working under to bring refugee children here who are entitled under international law to refuge in the u.k.. i am grateful to the reply a received an hour ago to my letter, but i would be grateful if the prime minister would indicate something more precise about the timetable for allowing children and others with family connections to come to this country, and that britain does
not evade its responsibility in helping those who have suffered in the against global displacement since the end of world war ii. this displacement is primarily caused by atrocities in syria, and we utterly and totally condemn indiscriminate bombing. the only solution in syria is a political one. mr. speaker, these issues are the ones future generations will look back on. if we continue to approach the challenge in a divisive and aggressive manner, they will only grow larger. we can work together in this house with our european partners and the rest of the world. quickly find the large problems we face today appear smaller than we first taught if we work together to help those desperate people all around the globe. >> server. prime minister may: thank you, mr. speaker. i'm tempted to say to the right honorable gentleman, he talked at the beginning that he had been in brussels last thursday meeting with various leaders who
were listening to him. i suppose from his point of view it is good to know that someone is listening to him. [laughter] prime minister may: can i address the first -- the last two issues he refer to? he talked about calais. as i said in my statement, my right honorable friend the home secretary will be making a statement on calais and our response to unaccompanied i'm bringingors, children here into the united kingdom with details in that. all i will say now is this. we have been working very carefully for considerable time with the french government, both to improve matters in relation to calais, but also to ensure that we were abiding by our requirements under the regulations to bring children here who had family links here in the u.k. that process has speeded up. we put extra resources and that from the home office and of seen more children being brought
here. we also adopted a scheme to bring vulnerable children from the region -- the middle east and north africa -- here to the united kingdom, working with an agency and we are putting in place an amendment, the immigration act proposal, which required us first to negotiate and discuss with local authorities about their ability to receive treatment here -- children here in the united kingdom. the overriding aim of every one of us in this house should be to ensure it is in the best interest of the children that , and it isooked at no help to those children if we are not able properly to provide for them when they come here to the united kingdom. er did not talk about the wid migration. he accepted the reference it was mainly due to syrian refugees. large numbers of people are moving not from syria, but mainly parts of africa, which is
why the united kingdom has consistently been arguing for the work upstream to stop numbers of people coming through and ensure that people have got opportunities in transit countries, rather than requiring to come here to the united kingdom. in relation to russia, he made a reference to the indiscriminate bombing in aleppo. i assume in that he is referring to russian action as well as to syrian regime action. it was important that we in the u.k. put this matter on the table and the agenda of the european council. they took those agreements that they did. and then if i just come on to the issue of the brexit arrangement. haseferred to the tone that taken place since the conservative party conference. i have to say that what i found was a number of european leaders actually commended the speech i
had given. >> hear, hear! iime minister may: including, have to say -- one or two of the socialist leaders -- [laughter] weme minister may: he says don't have a plan. we have a plan, which is not to set out at every stage of these negotiations the details of those negotiations, because that would be the best way to ensure we did not get the best deal for the u.k. he talks about free movement. i notice his shadow foreign secretary once again refused to say what the labour party on freeion -- position movement was and whether they would bring an end to it. i have to say to the leader of the opposition -- he could not decide whether we should be in or out of the european union. he could not decide when we should be invoking article 50.
the only thing we know about his position is he would have unfettered immigration into this country, the very thing the british people have told us they don't want. unlike him, the conservative party is listening to the british people. >> sir william cap. -- sir william katt. katt: i am congratulating my right honorable friend on implementing the verdict of the british people, despite the doom and gloom on the part of the media -- is my right arm will friend aware that the budget for says theean parliament eu is too intrusive, is members do not trust one another, and it needs an electric shock? does my right honorable agree therefore the eu is itself in trouble? they know it and the british people got it right. well, inister may:
think one of the challenges for the 27 remaining's rates of the european union will be to decide european in which the exit goes forward. they will have seen a number of elements that led to the british people deciding to leave the european union, and i think it is for the ami -- the remaining 20 72 think carefully about how to go forward in the future. >> mr. robertson. speaker,tson: mr. thanks. as the prime minister knows, 60 2% of voters in scotland voted to remain in the european union. -- since then -- we have seen regularly that apparently a scotland matters to the united kingdom government. indeed, we hear that scotland is an equal partner in the united kingdom. even that, i imagine the prime thister must have raised
at the european union council meeting. but for some inexplicable reason, she has not made mention of that statement today. can she perhaps tell the house which is specific issues she shared at the meeting? on the meeting she held the day when she met with the councils of scotland, wales, and northern ireland, they reacted with frustration. "if thes minister said u.k. government cannot negotiate an agreement with the administration, it has little hope of negotiating a good brexit deal with eu countries." and nicola sturgeon said she received "no more information or detail about the negotiating position." mr. speaker, given that the hasitution for governance warned that imposing a settlement on scotland, wales,
northern ireland may result in " a serious breakdown in relations between the four governments and nations of the u.k.," can i tell the prime minister that she cannot pretend to take the interests and concerns of scotland, wales, northern ireland, and gibraltar seriously? if she would, scotland is absolutely right to hold an independence referendum and we will protect our place in europe yo. prime minister may: the right honorable gentleman asked me to take seriously the views of scotland. i have to say to him, that was precisely my view sitting down in the plenary session this morning. it is exactly why i said to the first ministers of scotland and wales and deputy foreign minister of northern ireland that we will have more of those meetings and we will have a great level of communication .ith the those governments
in determining the u.k. position, it will be the u.k. that will be negotiating with the european union, but we taken a full account and understand properly the impacts in particular issues that are of concern to the administration, and that is precisely what we discussed today. it is precisely what we will be discussing in detail over the coming weeks and months. particularhere are positions in northern ireland, a very specific concern. we wantderstanding that for the future. when he refers to the possibility of another referendum in relation to scottish independence, i suggest if you want to ensure the future prosperity of the scottish economy, he just look at the fact that actually, scotland has more important and trader -- more imports and trade
arrangements with the rest of the united kingdom that it does with the european union. it's first and foremost desire should to remain part of the united kingdom. >> strongly welcome the prime minister's statement. when she concern that this parliament and the last government gave the decision to the british people and eu it isship and so surely now the duty of this parliament to smoothly implement the measures? -- there wishes? prime minister may: i absolutely agree with my right honorable friend. for parliament voted 6-1 the british people to decide whether we leave our remain in the european union the british people have delivered their verdict and it is our job to make a success of it. >> in preparation for the council meeting, did the prime minister commission any english
regional impact assessment of brexit? db cargo u.k. last week announced it hundred 93 redundancies --893 redundancies, saying, and i "the from the letter, brexit effective means investment decisions on major infrastructure projects have been delayed or stopped altogether, and customers have decreased or cancel orders." will the prime minister undertake to publish brexit regional impact assessments? how will she ensure the voice of the english regions are heard during brexit negotiations? prime minister may: well, the right honorable lady makes an important point about the impact that brexit will have on the economy generally as we go through this perio of negotiationd, and while people talk about the impact on
scotland, wales, northern ireland, the potential impact on different parts of the united kingdom. talking to different industrial sectors and agriculture throughout the u.k. precisely to understand what the impact is potentially going to be to ensure that when we come to negotiate the deal, we negotiate the best possible deal and it will be right not just for the 4 nations but right for the country that works for everyone. congratulate my right honorable friend on the very positive message she delivered in brussels, spoke about future cooperation and free-trade, and in particular, her desire to continue tariff-free trade between ourselves and europe? do any of our european colleagues advocate to her the return of tariffs on trade between us and europe? prime minister may: well i think my right honorable friend for his question, i know he has long
been an advocate not only of us leaving the european union but the trade possibilities that would be available thereafter. we did not have a detailed discussion as the right honorable gentle and says precisely because we have not yet started the formal negotiations. >> thank you very much, mr. speaker. the prime minister is about to embark on a very complex set of negotiations with her european counterparts. everybody recognizes that she will not want to reveal the details of her negotiating effort. but that is very different from setting out our objectives, which i hope will contain a lot more detail than just high-level principles. can i ask the prime minister to get the house and undertaking that she will publish her negotiating objectives in time for the house and the new select committee to consider them before she presents them to the other member states? prime minister may: i have set
out the objectives that we have wished to aim for the negotiation we are going to undertake it the right honorable gentleman -- can i congratulate him for being elected as chairman of the new select committee? this committee will be looking at a whole friday of issues that have to do with brexit get the are in fact already over 30 different reviews and investigations being undertaken by parliament into various aspects of brexit could parliament is going to have every opportunity to consider the various issues involved. rolls-royce, a magnificent british company, employs a number of my constituents and indeed, offers many of them fantastic apprenticeships pit i went to see them on friday. they told me about their concerns shared throughout the whole aerospace sector and other sectors like the automotive sector about the consequences of our nation leaving, if it does, the single market, and also the customs union did could the prime minister give an assurance
to british business that she will listen to their concerns as we move to leaving the european union? prime minister may: my right honorable friend makes a very important point about the quality of businesses that we have here in the united kingdom. rolls-royce is one of those businesses, including some of the waste it takes on apprenticeships and ways it has to thetributed growth of our economy is very important. i and all those involved in negotiations will be listening to business. have already started. my right honorable friend the secretary of state has already been holding those discussions and i've held a number of roundtables with business in order to hear from them what their concerns are. the overwhelming view that has come to me is that having taken the decision to leave the european union, business wants to work with us to make sure we can make every success of the opportunities available to us outside the eu.
was she able to spell out, despite the complicated negotiations, that the bush people expect that the next general election in 2022 happy final vote and say on immigration policy, final vote and say on our trade policy, and final vote and say over u.k. laws? prime minister may: i've said on a number of occasions that the vote to leave the european union was about to ensure that we are able to have control over our budget, control over our laws, control over the rules on immigration we set out. clear from her welcome endorsement of free-trade that she will be seeking the closest possible engagement for a sovereign country with the european single markets. does she agree that this objective would be better served by lobbying our partners rather
than throwing dust in the eye of the commentariat here? prime minister may: well, i agree with my friend, honorable friend, that it is important that we recognize that the work that will be done will be done sitting around the table with our european partners and negotiating with them. there will be obviously comments made in the united kingdom and comments made elsewhere in public about what is happening. but what will matter discussions taking place around a table. -- around that table. it is a sad day when i government is willing to compromise the safety and security of its citizens to appease a dangerous and irrational ideology of a few. will she confirm now -- will she confirm now that we will remain an active member of europe and urgently opt into this critical aspect of european cross-border security and policing, for which
the regulations were confirmed in may this year, to defend ourselves from terrorists, organized crime including drug trafficking, and people trafficking? prime minister may: the honorable tillman doesn't need to tell me about the importance -- honorable gentleman doesn't need to tell me about the port is about security and law enforcement cooperation with european partners, and i refer him to a statement where i said after we leave, we will be a confident, our looking country, enthusiastic about trading with european neighbors and cooperating unshared security interests, including law enforcement and counterterrorism work. >> i wonder if the chair of the select committee does not have a point in arguing that we should quite soon publish our objectives. these are objective this, that we -- is our objective this, that we want to conclude, having adopted every last eu law into
our laws on brexit day, we want a free-trade agreement which is overwhelmingly in the interests of the rest of europe? and this reduce the poorest nations in the world as we lead the battle -- this would do so much for the poorest nations in the world as we lead the battle. prime minister may: i agree. , just because the clear on the prime minister's statement -- just to be crystal clear on the prime minister's statement and her answer, is it the intention that the u.k. will be leaving the customs union? prime minister may: i could give a very lengthy answer to the right honorable gentleman about her answer. well, the secretary talks about substance to the important point about the customs union is how you deal with the customs union is not a binary choice. there are different aspects to the customs union and that is
precisely why it is important to look at the details and get it right and not simply to make statements. >> mr. speaker, as we proceed with new bilateral's, surely none of us want to see european first-class goods and services becoming uncompetitive. i understood from my right honorable friend's answer to my right honorable friend that there is no proposition to put tariffs between us and our european partners. will she confirm she is willing to offer them a free-trade deal bilaterally? prime minister may: i say to my honorable friend, at the risk of repeating yet again what i have said previously in this house, what we want to get is the right deal to die want to get the best possible deal for the maximum opportunities for business businesses to trade with that within the single market, operate within the single market , and trade in both goods and services. that is our clear and. aim.lear
but there are other things we will do the same time, controlling movement of people from the european union into the u.k. >> we welcome the prime minister's meeting today with thefirst ministers of administrations and we hope that will continue to be a meaningful engagement. it is vital that we do everything we can to support industry. would that prime minister care to comment on speculations that we are considering cutting corporation tax, which we would of course very much welcome in a northern island? prime minister may: i have to say to the right honorable gentleman, he shouldn't believe everything he reads in the newspapers. september, 14th of september, the commission, in its communicate to the council communique to the counselor, said you should authorize a commission by the end of this year. where does this leave that
proposed agency? i'm happy tor may: say to my right honorable friend that the proposal for what european union has described as a smart order system has been something bad looking after some time, looking at the model the system that is used in the united states. there is a separate issue, that is about the security of the external border of the eu. there is a separate issue about the arrangements that take place within greece in relation to the asylum system and the greek government has made some changes in the way they deal with asylum claims in response to the requirements of the eu-turkey deal. >> mr. speaker, the prime minister is saying and characteristic -- this is staying uncharacteristically coy about the terms of the negotiation to leave the european union, and yet we know once the papers are given to the commission, they will be shared with the european parliament.
will she now undertake that she will share those rivers with this parliament -- those papers with this parliament, a sovereign parliament, so that we can at a proper opportunity to look at the position the government is taking and comment? prime minister may: i can assure this house as i have done before that this house will have the proper opportunity to look at these issues as we go through , but not just a one-off opportunity. as i set out, there will be a number of debates, which will enable members of this house to give more to tell comments on various aspects -- give more detailed comments on various aspects of brexit on different sectors of the economy, for example. given that the public administration and constitutional affairs committee is in fact conducting an inquiry and drafting report on interinstitutional relationships in the u.k., can i very much welcome the meeting of the joint ministerial council this morning? can she say that more about this? can she say whether she will in
the future give oral statement to the house on meetings of the joint ministerial council to emphasize the importance of these meetings? and did the other administrations accept the principle that there should be a subcommittee looking at the particular issue of brexit? prime minister may: well, yes, the discussion we had about having more meetings at the plenary session, the one i showed this morning, and further meetings will take place in a due course. but we did agree that there will be set up a joint ministerial council subcommittee, which will begin with the negotiations, looking at the issues around the negotiations for leaving the european union. that was welcomed by all of the administration and i look forward to that being a constructive discussion around the table. it is important that as we put together the u.k. position in relation to these matters that we fully understand the impacts on the various parts of the united kingdom. >> mr. speaker, the prime
minister speaks in a statement of negotiating to reset the kind of material relationship that friends and allies enjoy. if the city mind, of london is being considered for 1, 2, why is it so politically difficult for the prime minister to even copperhead a deal for scotland, which is supported by the voters, the scottish government, and the scottish parliament? prime minister may: the deal that we will begin negotiating will be the right deal for the united kingdom. it will take into account the concerns and applications of a various parts of our economy. for example, the position of northern ireland will be a particular position because northern ireland will be one part of the u.k. with a land border with a country that has been inside the european union. -- given that fact, there is goodwill and a good spirit from both this government and the government of the republic of ireland to ensure that the arrangements put in place in the
future don't entail a return to borders of the past. >> the prime minister -- [indiscernible] the government's policy of saying as little as possible is going to become increasingly unsustainable. the vacuum is already being felt not from the can -- filled not from the commission but from her own cabinet brexit committee. does the prime minister accept that unless the government can provide at least some clarity about its direction of travel soon, many financial and other businesses which have been in touch with me about this will respond to the uncertainty, plan for the worst, and that that will be a considerable cost to the u.k.? prime minister may: i say to my honorable friend that i am well aware of the impact that uncertainty has on businesses who are making future decisions about investments here in the united kingdom. it was in that light that i have already set out the framework of the timetable for invoking article 50 and given clarity to
both employers and employees about the legislative position that will apply on day one that we leave the european union, i.e., that the law will be brought into u.k. law as part of the repeal deal to ensure that there isn't a legal vacuum. i will continue, and the government will continue, to speak about these matters, but we will not -- and i understand the point my honorable friend is making, but i think he knows full well that if this government were to set out every bit of our negotiation position, that would be the best way to get the worst deal for the u.k. >> a few moments ago the prime and mr. failed to answer the important question that might right honorable friend -- as she carried out any detailed analysis of the impact that the harder form of brexit that she speaks will have on the north? if she has, will she publish it?
if she hasn't, will she can see that her anti-eu rhetoric has been deeply irresponsible? prime minister may: well, first of all, as i said in response to his right honorable friend, we are looking at the impact on different parts of the united kingdom. but the premise of this question is a false one, because he talks about the hard brexit that the government is going to take this country into. there is no suggestion of that whatsoever. oh! because the right honorable gentleman seems to think that all of these matters are binary decisions, eat or you are able to control immigration or that you have some sort of trade arrangement. that is not the case. we are going to be ambitious for what we entertain for the united kingdom and that means a good trade deal with better control of immigration. >> speaker, it seems to me that we are much more likely to achieve our firm policy objectives working together, so i welcome the prime minister's moves to put russia's behavior on the council agenda.
she may have noticed the very robust statement over the weekend by the new shadow secretary of state condemning russia's behavior. when does she think the leader of the opposition will join the shadow secretary of state in being able to criticize russia for the indiscriminate bombing taking place in syria, and recognize its part in the syrian refugee crisis that we are all trying to deal with? prime minister may: my right honorable friend makes a very valid and important point, and i note that although the european council discussed the role russia was taking in indiscriminate bombing in syria, the right honorable gentlemen, leader of the opposition, failed to refer to russia's actions in syria when he came to the dispatch. i hope you will not be too slow in coming forward and making clear that he does condemn russia's activities. otherwise, people would assume that he doesn't. >> thank you, mr. speaker.
the european investment bank provides vital funds for affordable housing, hospitals, investment in new technology, and utilities could we received 5.6 billion last year for projects up and down the country. has the prime minister had any discussions about our stake in the european investment bank, where we hold 1/6 of the shares, and will she confirmed that she will do nothing to put this at risk? prime minister may: the honorable lady makes an important point and i can inform her that the treasury is in discussion with the european investment bank. we recognize the important role that it plays on what to ensure that nobody loses out as a result of the decisions being taken by the british people. those discussions are ongoing with the european investment bank. >> thank you, mr. speaker. although the committee's says he, tony blair faced to the summit with a sinking heart. can i say how pleased i am at she is facing her first
summit? does the experience with dictating to belgium and causing a walkout by the canadians show that brexit must not only be for england and wales, but for the whole united kingdom? prime minister may: well, i think my honorable friend. he is asked to leave right. the decisions taken to leave the eu is a decision of the united kingdom, it will be the united kingdom that negotiates the deal, and it will be the right deal for the united kingdom. ,> our national health service universities, and businesses are already losing talent because of uncertainty in the event of brexit could it is an uncertainty she could end right now. why doesn't she? intend andter may: i want to be able to do that but the only circumstances in which that wouldn't be possible is british citizens in -- if safety
of british citizens in european union member states was not guarantee. this is up i hope we discussed at an early stage. >> as someone who campaigned to leave the european union i'm delighted to see my right honorable friend's incontrovertible commitment to honoring the will of the british people and supporting a successful future for our country outside the eu. will my right honorable friend agree with me that her starting position in the forthcoming negotiations is a strong one and that we are beginning to see positive revisions of growth, low unemployment, and exports set to outpace imports, proving that the scare mongers who predicted dire conditions are absolutely wrong? prime minister may: well, i say to my honorable friend that of course we have seen the economic data that is, since the vote on the referendum was more positive than had been predicted prior to the vote being taken.
but i will not pretend it will be plain sailing in the future. there will be ups and downs. but what is clear is that we maintain our clear focus on delivering what the bush people want, which is leaving the european union -- british people want, which is leaving the european union. >> is the prime minister alluding to the u.k. and eu's interest in making president a partner in managing migration and countering terrorism? she needs to be marks listed about what her and her on from the khartoum process and refugees from sudan and to sudan. we andinister may: what the european union are doing is looking at a small number of countries and africa to ensure that there is support available
that can reduce the number of people who want to move to europe. oum process is an important element of the work being done and the eu has consistently said we need to operate our stream and that is about working with countries and working with the transit countries and dealing with the organized crime groups who are dealing in this for effect crime of people smart -- this horrific crime of people smuggling and human trafficking that is leading to misery. we are looking at doing initially with a small number of countries, and of course we recognize that there are those countries where there are reasons why it is difficult to be able to return people to those countries. but it is important that we accept the principles and start to put into practice the process of working with people upstream. it seems to be the case that technically, the u.k. cannot enter into trade deals with
third-party countries and also generally being acknowledge that we will start doing this at some point before we leave. is this an issue that my right honorable friend has looked at? is there some kind of timetable here? was it mentioned at the summit? prime minister may: as far as the summit was concerned, the point i made is any discussions we have with third countries in relation to trade deals are not in competition to what the european union is doing. we continue to press for the european union-japan deal, the benefits of ttip around the european union table. my right honorable friend is right that there is a limit to what we can do in terms of entering into a trade arrangement before we have left the european union, but that doesn't mean we cannot scope out negotiations and start to have those discussions, and in fact, we are doing it with a number of countries. >> the prime minister gave quite a revealing same it today when she won't be seeking to
replicate any parts of the canadian-european union trade deal. we know that is stalling over guarantees around labor come environmental, and consumer protection. can she now tell us which is ruling in? prime minister may: i have to the honorable lady, nice try, but i cannot say i was ruling out the canadian gilbert what i said was we will not be replicating the eu-candidate deal just as we are not trying to replicate the norway or switzerland model. what we will do is delivering for the united kingdom the deal that is right for the u.k. >> i commend my right honorable friend for the way she approached her first eu summit. 61% of people in kettering voted to leave the european union and they voted to leave the whole thing so to get back control over our laws come our borders, and our trade policy. there might be 500 members of this house who are remainer and are now remoaners, she's acting
on behalf of the people to get all i willal for thisprime min: say to my honorable friend is this, regardless of which side of the debate members of this house were on, we should all except the voice of the british people. >> the prime minister on her handling of her first eu summit, i will not actually asked her if she enjoyed it. leave --loaded to including [inaudible] will only believe we are really leaving when we invoke article 50. will she ensure the house that she will not be taken in by those who want to delay and delay in the hopes that somewhere they will get another referendum? prime minister may: i want to be
very clear. there is no question of another referendum. while i feel it was right that we took some time to prepare prior to the start of negotiations, it is also right as the honorable lady says that members of the public will want to see article 50 involved so they know it is going to happen. that is why the timetable of invoking by the end of march 2017 is the right one. >> thank you. the people of somerset are rejoicing at the prime minister's clarity in her approach at leaving the european union. could she confirm my understanding that once we have left the european union the european court of justice will have no jurisdiction of any kind whatsoever as the prime arbiter of any u.k. law? prime minister may: when we the ukhe european union,
law will be determined here in the u k, british judges sitting in the u.k. will be opining on the application of those laws. it will be this house that will be determining the legislation that covers british people. europeanthat our partners have not yet committed to trade negotiations alongside negotiation's on article 50, what assurances can she get british business that in 2019 when we leave the european union, we will not face tariffs? prime minister may: what we're looking to do is not just negotiate exit, but also to negotiate a new relationship with the european union. as i said to this house, our ambition and the intent we have been doing that is to ensure that we get the best possible deal in trade with an operation within the european market. that is what the whole government is working on.
the terrible migration problem we are seeing at the moment is due largely to human trafficking gangs. one of the great legacies of the previous prime minister and indeed the previous home secretary is that we now lead the fight against human trafficking. what the prime minister agree with me that we have to build relationships not just with the european union, but with all european countries if we are going to deal with this evil trade? prime minister may: my honorable friend is right in that. he has taken a particular interest in this issue and done excellent work in relation to encouraging activities that reduce and indeed stop human trafficking. he is right. countries like albania where it is important for us to be operating. the government has been working with them to reduce human trafficking. it is important to work with countries like nigeria. young women being trafficked
into sexual exploitation in the u.k., working with them to reduce the opportunity for criminal gangs. the question -- the situation in libya is becoming beyond crisis. 150,000 people have crossed the mediterranean. 3000 people have died on their way. was there any discussion of sending the high representatives to go to tripoli, perhaps with our foreign secretary to work directly with the libyan government to deal with human traffickers and also to stop people setting off in the first place? prime minister may: the european high representative as made a number of visits two countries in north africa. gentleman isorable right. there are many people coming
across libya into italy. i am pleased it was the united kingdom that was instrumental in getting the un security council resolution that has enabled action to be taken off the libyan coast as well as regular -- rescuing thousands of people. sadly there are still those who died. involved navy has been in breaking up votes that have been used by criminal gangs. this is ongoing. we need to take every step we can to stop this terrible trade that brings so much misery. my constituency depends on the interchange of people and ideas with the eu and countries around the world. what action will you take to ensure that the university system remains open? prime minister may: we want to make sure that britain is open for business and the university sector is open.
this is precisely what we have done with people coming from outside of the european union into the united kingdom. we have given some assurance to universities in relation to the arrangements there putting in place with other member states prior to our meeting. beyondll be continued the. period one which relief. believes she will leave and leave this country out of your. they do not judge or on when she activates article 50. if they know what that means. in those circumstances, might i suggest that as time goes on, we realized the enormity of the task that she will only in both article 50 if it is truly in the interest of the country by march of next year. prime minister may: i think the right honorable gentleman for
the question. say as i did earlier, for the british people they want to see action being taken to ensure that we do leave the european union. i believe we have done the preparatory work. i think the timing of invoking by the end of march next year is the right one. that my right resolved, and i am resolved that brexit means brexit. can i invite my right honorable friend to remind the country that whilst it is necessary for us to discuss with a number of interested parties that nevertheless in this matter, she 17 million people. nicola sturgeon 1.7 million.
nevertheless in thisprime minise important point is simply this. over 17 million people voted to leave the european union. it was a majority vote here in the united kingdom. it will be the people in the united kingdom that will be renegotiating a relationship with the european union in the future. >> the city of london is determined to remain in the single market. arrangementespoke as far as financial services are concerned. will she consider a similar arrangement or the financial sector in edinburgh which is the second-largest in the u.k. and employs many of my constituents? >> as i have said before, people talk about being in the single market or members of the single market or access, but what matters is the relationship we
have with the european union that enables the maximum possibility to trade with and operate within that single european market. we will negotiate on behalf of financial sectors across the whole of the united kingdom. >> being in the european union is compared to being in the back of a crowded taxi that is headed the wrong direction. does my friend agree with me that in leaving the european union, if we remain in the single market, we will no longer be in the taxi, we will be tied up in the boot. prime minister may: i think it is important that as we look to get the right deal for the united kingdom, we recognize that we are negotiating a new relationship for the u.k. with the european union. we are ensuring that our businesses are able to operate within the european market. we also put into place the other things that are requirements for the british people, such as control of immigration. does a similar respect to the
public majority in favor of the tface that wasoa taken, does she noticed that there has been a strong movement in the public opinion world against brexit because people realized the promises made will not be honored, and they see the effects now on the world's economy? there will be an awful result in beland that will not enforceable. she is ignoring the views of the people of scotland. doesn't she think that her little in later myopia will lead to the breakup of the united kingdom? prime minister may: the united kingdom voted to leave the european union. this government is putting that into practice. he and others can try all they like to reverse that decision,
to try to delay the application of that decision, to find ways to weasel around the decision. the british people spoke. this parliament said to the british people, it is your choice. they chose. we will now do it. india invests more the u.k. then the rest of the european union combined, what -- to boost trade against our two countries. the confederation of india facing and an agreement between us would be almost made in heaven. prime minister may: i think my honorable friend. she is perceptive because i will be visiting india in early november. i will be taking trade negotiation with me. we will focus on small and medium-size enterprises to ensure that we boost the
relationships between smaller and medium-size businesses in the u.k. with the important indian market. in syriace -- behavior has been despicable. seeing the general sailing through the was channel this weekend on his way probably two/what is left of aleppo into smithereens. i'm delighted the prime minister wants to have strong position in relation to russia. there is one thing we can do ourselves which the americans have done uas well which is to say that anyone involved in the murder is not welcome in this country. they will not come to this country, and she is being advised now by others, and she will end up going back to the old camera position. i would suggest that her that this is something we could do,
and it would make a difference. prime minister may: the gentleman has campaigned long and hard. he has asked this question of david cameron in the past, and me as home secretary. he has asked the question i am sure of previous foreign secretaries. we have our own rules and regulations in terms of how we determine who is able to enter the united kingdom. he talks about the old position. remain the position of the u.k. government. >> there is much to be said for a bit of repetition. >> the majority of suffolk is also congratulating the prime minister on her stance. orders of eu countries will scrutinize their politicians as we negotiate our exit and vote accordingly at the next opportunity they have if their leaders do anything to endanger
jobs and prosperity to maintain a blog project. -- flawed project. prime minister may: it is important that the leaders of the remaining 27 think for themselves about the nature of the european union should be going for. from the u.k. point of view, this is not an attempt to break up the whole of the european union. we have an interest in seeing a strong european union and and we with that union, will continue to be a strong and dependable partner. i think other leaders inside the european union should consider the message that was given by the british people when they voted. >> the head of the british bank association and a former advisor to the current form secretary warned that britain's biggest banks will relocate in early 2017. some 70,000 jobs could be at risk. many of them are in my
constituency. can the prime minister tells how the government plans to ensure the u.k. banking sector will operate freely anywhere else within the eu after britain exits? prime minister may: i have been clear this afternoon. the importance we place on being able not just to trade with but operate within the european market, and that is for goods and services. i say that because i'm aware of the importance of financial services to the united kingdom as a whole. obviously in particular constituencies in terms of the individuals and their employment. there are other parts of our professional services such as legal services or the ability to operate within the european union is an important part as well. we are in discussions with the financial sector on the issues that it believes are the priorities for the future so that we can ensure as part of the negotiation we are able to
get the best deal possible. >> would you agree and free society that there is never an obligation on anyone to change their views just because the majority have voted otherwise but there is an obligation on all of us, including those of us who voted to remain to work in the national interest and not to undermine it by tying the hands of the prime minister and government in a way you would never do in private negotiations? my honorabler may: friend, that is exactly the point. if we are going to get the best deal possible for the united kingdom, it is important that we are able to enter those negotiations not having set out a series of red lines and in detail what our negotiating position is. we need to be able to negotiate the best deal possible, & our hands in doing that -- and tying her hands in doing that would be the worst way.
you welcome the fact that invited the leaders of the government this morning. giving everyone doubts about brexit, particularly in northern ireland where we have one in and one out, we don't know where we are going. who do we have on the ground in europe making sure we are gathering the intelligence and to get theare ready best interests of the whole of the u.k. together? prime minister may: it is important that we understand the possibility that the future relationship we have with the european union. that's why i thought it was important in these negotiation's, which will be lengthy, and i recognized until we have the deal agreed, there will be an element of uncertainty. that is why i set up a new government department to do the work, not just the understanding what is important here in the u.k., but also to understand
what is important for the 27 states of the european union. this will not be a deal just about the u.k., it is about both sides. >> states of the european union. on syria, paragraph 20 95 talks about the critical process. is that in line with geneva one and geneva to to ensure that the opposition gets the right authority for a fair deal all going to the talk. [indiscernible] prime minister may: we want to see an ability to return to talks that can legally proper political transition in syria. the united kingdom will continue to play an important role in supporting the opposition. two or three weeks ago, i foreign secretary posted opposition party members here in london where they set out their
future aims and vision for syria. that was important for us, and we will continue to do so. the prime minister said she wanted the u.k. to be the most passionate and consistent and committed to free-trade anywhere in the world. isn't that best demonstrated by the u.k. remaining a member of the single european market, that market of 9 trillion pounds which would protect the jobs and incomes of my constituency? the she agreed with me that following the process, seven years to negotiate a trade deal only to see it all at the 11th hour because it was rejected by one of belgium's seven parliaments is not something we should aspire to? prime minister may: i would say to this house that i understand while the discussions have stalled, there is still a chance being made to ensure that deal can go ahead, and we would
encourage that to go ahead. wider pointp -- she has made, i will say this again. the people who put this in terms of purely some access to the single market, what matters is what the trading relationship is. if we hide behind ourselves by saying that it has to be in this particular form at this stage, then it will not be open to us to negotiate the best possible deal. what matters is that we have the maximum possible ability to trade with and operate within the single european market. and to do that across goods and services. that is what we are aiming for. agrees the prime minister that when negotiating for brexit, it is important not only to negotiate collectively with the member states through the european council, but equally if not more important to have
individual conversations with each member state, which has been shown by the experience negotiation over that canadian trade deal? prime minister may: that is precisely why both i and other ministers are obviously interacting with the european union and its various forms. we are also discussing, i have made a number of trips to various member states. thosel continue discussions bilaterally because we want strong relationships with those countries bilaterally when we leave the european union as well as having a good relationship with the european union. >> young people are more internationalist in their outlook and as such voted overwhelmingly to remain in the european union? what discussions did the prime minster have with her about thets opportunities for young people? prime minister may: the negotiations have not yet
formally started with the european union. a sort of deal we are talking about, the sort of deal we want to get, which will enhance prosperity will be good for all generations and the u.k. my honorablek friend if our european partners have realized the new free-trade arrangement will be good as a positive game for all concerned given that 22 of 27 of them have a trade surplus with us? issue detecting common sense is starting to prevail? prime minister may: increasingly, member states and the european union are looking at this not just as what it means to the u.k. but to them as well. i've said consistently that it is not just about the u.k. being a supplement, but negotiating a relationship that works for both sides. >> thank you.
country50 points any seeking to leave a disadvantage for it you have not gotten the deal in two years, you can switch to trading with them, putting your sectors at a huge disadvantage. we need to great a certain amount of goodwill. making them think that their citizens living near are the cause of all of our problems is not a way to build goodwill. could she guaranteed to us, and i accept she will want reforms to immigration, and i can see the home secretary sitting next to her, will have use more care in a lane which they use on these matters? prime minister may: we exercise every care in language with regards to these matters. the image that he portrays of the impression we have given for
european union citizens is the wrong one. i have been clear about our expectations and intentions in relation to citizens living in the united kingdom. he must accept as with other members of this house that we have a duty to british citizens who are living in european union memberships. that is why i want to ensure the status of both is guaranteed. pleased that my right honorable friend raised the matter of the crisis in syria at the european council. i'm wondering whether any spotlight was put on the crisis in yemen? approaching 7000 people have been killed there. one 7000 people were killed in july 1995, the international committee moved in high gear to sort it out. could i ask my right honorable
friend whether the european andn has any plans to try expedite the appalling crisis, sort out the appalling crisis that is happening in yemen? prime minister may: my honorable friend is right to draw attention to the problems that are being experienced by many people in yemen and what is happening in yemen. we want to see a political solution to yemen as we want to see a political solution and more relation to syria. that is the only way to get long-lasting peace to the country. there has been a temporary cessation of hostilities in yemen. andoke to the crown prince, one issue i rose was the importance of trying to sustain that cessation of hostilities for all involved. >> thank you. the prime minister has had a lot of questions about the customs
union, and that is because for exporters into the eu having to comply with the laws of origin from the outside would raise costs by 25%. the prime minister knows that miss sam is one of those exporters that has an important role. when they left their meeting with her, they seemed quite a lot happier and satisfied with what the prime minister said. could she share with the house what she said to them? prime minister may: in relation to the issue of the customs union. i'm sure the honorable lady ,nows that as i said earlier the customs union is a more complex issue then it at first seems when people describe it, often in public. i am very clear, and we have been discussing with a number of companies about the intention of this government to ensure a competitive market and ensure
that people are able to be here in the united kingdom prospering and adding to our economic growth. think the prime minister for her statement. i entirely agree with her. we should continue to delay our four-part in its affairs because i expect the eu will want us to keep paying careful contributions. does my honorable friend think that her fellow eu leaders understand that if we leave the european union and have to fall back on the bdo tariffs, then according to today's citizens report, eu exporters would be liable to pay 12.9 billion pounds per year compared to the 5.2 billion pounds per year pay as u.k.s --
exporters. prime minister may: my friend makes an important point. it is this, of course this is not just about the united kingdom. it is about the future impact of the economies of the member states and the european union. member states will recognize that there are implications for them, and those indications could be negative for their businesses and jobs in their country. that is why it is best for all this to get the best possible deal portray. >> the president of the european council recently issued a statement in which he said there will be no soft brexit, either there will be a hard brexit or no brexit at all. given that you were just in brussels, did she pick up this hardening political mood music
that makes it clear that access to the single market that we so desperately need is rapidly becoming a pipe dream? prime minister may: we have not started the negotiations. what i found when i talked to other leaders and colleagues in the european council at the end of last week was a recognition that first of all this is a complex matter we have to negotiate, and secondly an increasing recognition that we have to ensure the deal we get is a positive deal for the european union and the united kingdom. i got the impression. what is being said to me shows that we will be able to sit down around the table and get the best possible deal for both sides. recent visit to berlin, it was said that there was genuine goodwill towards the united kingdom as well as an understanding that there would be detailed negotiations ahead. there are clear shared economic
interests with member states. can my friend also confirmed to the house that there are security concerns relating to russia and counterterrorism issues that will help focus the minds of negotiators on arriving at a positive outcome? >> -- prime minister may: much of the discussion focuses on the trade relationship we have. there are many other areas in which we cooperate with member states in the european union, and errors such as law enforcement and counterterrorism where we want to have an enduring partnership once we leave. i'm sure the prime minister understands the concerns of the british medical research center about the continued access to vital european medical research networks with brexit. can she given assurances that