are you ready for a startling revelation? >> yeah! sen. sanders: all right. i knew you would be. and here is what media may tell you this campaign is not about , hillary clinton. it is not about donald trump. it is not about donald trump. it is not about bill clinton. it is not about melania trump. the not about their children. this campaign is about you and millions of other americans. [cheers and applause] and this campaign is not a personality contest. we're not voting for high school president. we're voting for the most powerful leader in the entire world. [cheers and applause] and what this campaign must be

about is which candidate has the experience and the vision to work with the middle class and the working class and the families of our country. and in my view, without a shadow of doubt, that candidate is hillary clinton, our next president. [cheers and applause] now, let me also do something after giving you the startling revelation, let me give you something else also very radical, and that is i think a campaign should be based on issues. now, i know that's, again, a very radical idea.

imagine talking about the real issues impacting the american people. what a crazy idea that is. but just for the heck of it, let's do it. why not? what are we going to lose? when i think about the most important issue -- and i speak for myself now -- i worry very very much that this country is sliding into an oligarchic form of society where a handful of billionaires control our economic and political life. as we speak this very moment, billionaires around the country are pouring tens and tens of millions of dollars into

senatorial campaigns, house campaigns, and campaigns of all kinds. what we are saying tonight is we will not allow billionaires to buy the united states government. [cheers and applause] and one of the major differences of many between secretary clinton and mr. trump is that secretary clinton has made it clear that she will do everything she can in every way to overturn this disastrous supreme court decision on citizens united. [cheers and applause] too many brave people here in

north carolina and vermont and all over this country have put their lives on the line to defend american democracy. we're going to fight for that democracy. we are not going to become an oligarchy. [cheers and applause] and there's another issue when we talk about democracy -- which, after all, is what this country is about -- we have cowardly republican governors all over this country trying to suppress the votes. hillary clinton and i believe that our job is to get more people to participate in the political process, not fewer people. and i say, look, in a democracy,

honest people can have different points of view. secretary clinton has conservative friends. i have conservative friends. that's democracy. but what is not democracy is when cowardly governors go out of their way to make it difficult for people to vote. [cheers and applause] and i say to those governors, if you don't have the guts to participate in a free, open and fair election, get out of politics and get another job. [cheers and applause] [chanting "bernie"] sen. sanders: thank you.

so issue number 1. secretary clinton, pharrell and i, and all of you understand that we need a vibrant democracy where people participate, where people vote. second point. now, i try not to be too hard on my republican colleagues, because many of them suffer from a serious illness called amnesia. and unlike mr. trump, we do not make fun of people with disabilities. [cheers] and what their illness is about is they seem to have forgotten where this country was eight years ago tonight. [cheers] somehow, it just skipped their minds.

i don't know. they forgot that eight years ago tonight, we were losing 800,000 jobs a month, a horrific number unprecedented since the great depression. they've forgotten. they're very concerned about deficits -- which is an important issue. they've forgotten under bush's last year, we were running up the largest deficit in the history of this country, $1.4 trillion. just forgot about it. and they forgot, by the way, just mention that the world's financial system was on the verge of collapse. we have come a long way in eight years in improving the economy. thank you, president obama. [cheers and applause]

but let us also acknowledge that while unemployment has gone way lower today than it was when president obama came into office, we have also got to acknowledge that the economy is nowhere where we want it to be, and that millions of our brothers and sisters in this country are hurting financially. that is a fact. and let us acknowledge and not be afraid to put it out on the table and to say that over the last 40 years what we have seen is a middle class in this country which is shrinking, where people in north carolina and vermont and all over this country are today work inging

-- working not one job but two or three years to cobble together the income and the healthcare that they need. let us be honest and acknowledge there are millions of working families desperately looking for decent quality affordable child care. let us be honest and acknowledge that millions of older workers are moving into retirement, but they have absolutely no savings and they are very scared about their future. that is the reality, and we can't hide it. so it is important for us to take a hard look at which candidate is going to address those issues, which candidate understands that the grotesque level of income and wealth and equality in america today is

unacceptable. [cheers] and which candidate has the courage to stand with working families and tell the billionaire class they cannot have it all. this country, our government, belong to all of us. [cheers] in north carolina and all over this country, we have people working longer hours for lower wages. everybody here knows that nobody can make it on $7.25 an hour federal minimum wage. and let us be very clear, a 7.25 minimum wage is a starvation

wage. let's be clear. you can't make it on $7.25 and you can't make it on 10 bucks an hour. there is one candidate running for president who has pledged to raise the minimum wage to a living wage and that is hillary clinton. [cheers and applause] in america, we have got to think big, not small, and one of those ways that we have got to think and understand, nobody in america who works 40 hours a week should be living in poverty. we are going to raise that minimum wage to a living wage. [cheers and applause] there's another issue i'm almost

embarrassed to mention it. and that is in the year 2016, women are still making 79 cents on the dollar compared to men. and i know that every man here will stand with secretary clinton and me and all the people of this country in demanding pay equity for women, equal pay for equal work. [cheers and applause] when we think big and not small, we take a hard look. we say, well, what's going on around the rest of the world, and then we learn something. we learn that all over the world , working people are guaranteed paid family and medical leave.

every major country, in fact, most poor countries guarantee paid family and medical leave. but right now here in north carolina today, some working class woman has given birth to a beautiful baby. but she is going to have to go back to work, she is going to have to separate herself from that beautiful baby in a week or two because she doesn't have the money to stay home with that baby. that's wrong. and that is why secretary clinton and i will fight to guarantee 12 weeks paid family and medical leave. [cheers and applause]

donald trump has a brilliant idea, and as you know, donald's ideas are always brilliant, because he's a self defying genius by definition. and in the midst of the healthcare problems that we have as a nation, mr. trump's brilliant idea is to throw 20 million americans off of health insurance. [crowd booing] now, in fairness to mr. trump, we have to say that he really did not originate this idea. most of his republican colleagues feel the same way,

and i'm a member of the budget committee, and when the budget committee passed language to that effect, i asked the chairman -- and i said, mr. chairman, if you throw 20 million americans off of health insurance, how many of them are going to die? how many of them are going to become much sicker than they should have become? the republicans did not have an answer answer. not something they are worried about. well, secretary clinton is worried about it and i am worried about it, we don't think it's good to move 20 million americans off of health insurance. we think guaranteed healthcare to all people is a right. [cheers and applause] and when we talk about healthcare, go up to the average american today and you say, well, what is the issue about healthcare that bothers you the most? more often than not, what they will tell you is they are sick and tired of paying the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. they are tired of seeing the cost of prescription drugs soar

at a time when last year the five major drug companies made $50 billion in profit. [booing] and the top 10 pharmaceutical executives made over $300 million in compensation. we are saying to the drug companies tonight, stop ripping off the american people. [cheers and applause] and if you do not do it on your own, we are going to do it for you. prices are going down. [cheers and applause] secretary clinton understands -- and i think we all do -- that while the economy is better

today than it was eight years ago, there's a lot more that has to be done, and that is why we understand that we can create millions of good-paying jobs rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, our roads, our bridges, our water systems. secretary clinton and i have both been to flint, michigan, and we have talked to parents whose children have been poisoned by lead in the water. but it is not just flint, michigan. it is communities all over this country. this is america. we should have cutting-edge infrastructure. we can create millions of jobs rebuilding that infrastructure. let's do it. [cheers] at the end of the primary process, secretary clinton and i

chatted for a while to see in what ways we could work together most effectively. and one area that we both feel very strongly about is that in a highly competitive global economy, this nation must have the best-educated workforce in the world. [cheers and applause] it is totally insane and unfair and counter-productive to the future of this country when we have hundreds of thousands of bright, young people who have done well in high school who want to go to college but can't get a higher education for one reason, their families lack the income. god only knows how many scientists and engineers and doctors and teachers we are not

developing because of that. [cheers] so secretary clinton and i came up with a pretty simple proposal, and it says that we are going to make public colleges and universities tuition-free for every family under $125,000. [cheers and applause] now, that is, in fact, a pretty revolutionary idea, and i'll tell you why. number 1: obviously, it is going to make life easier for people who are in college or will soon be in college. but it does something else even more profound. i grew up in a family where my dad dropped out of high school at the age of 16 and my mother never went to college, and there are millions of families like that in this country where kids grow up not knowing anybody who ever went to college who believe that there is no way in the

world, because they're poor working class, they're ever going to make it to college. but when the word goes out that if those children do their schoolwork seriously and pay attention, regardless of their income, yes, they are going to be able to go to college. that's revolutionary. [cheers and applause] how many people here tonight are dealing with student debt, raise your hands. well, welcome to the club. you are part of many, many millions of americans who leave school and got to figure out how they're going to pay 30, 50, $100,000 in debt. i talked to a young woman in iowa. she went to dental school. we desperately need dentists.

and she graduated dental school $400,000 in debt. now, that's insane. it is insane and unfair to ask people who did the right thing, they went out and got the education they were supposed to, and then they're saddled with student debt sometimes for decades. secretary clinton and i think that that situation has got to change. [cheers] now, right now, my guess is that here in raleigh, you can go out and buy a new car and pay an interest on that loan for that car of 1%, 2%, am i right? you can refinance your home at 3 or 4%. then why in god's name are millions of people paying 6, 8 and 10% interest rates on their student debt?

[cheers] so what we believe is that if you have student debt, you should be able to refinance that debt at the lowest interest rates you can find. [cheers and applause] now, there are many, many differences between secretary clinton and mr. trump, but there is one that is very, very profound. are you ready for a very radical thought right now? i don't want anyone to faint, and i think we have some paramedics here, but i do want to make this announcement. are you ready for it? >> yeah!

sen. sanders: madam secretary, correct me if i'm wrong here. secretary clinton believes in science. [cheers and applause] now, i know, i know i put her in a difficult position. in 2016, to believe in science, a little bit dangerous, but what the heck. now, i'm a member of the u.s. senate committee on the environment, and i have talked to scientists, i have talked to scientists all over this country and all over the world, and let me be very clear. the debate is over. climate change is real. [cheers and applause] climate change is caused by human activity. and climate change is already today causing devastating problems in this country and

around the world. secretary clinton has some very specific ideas about how we transform our energy system, how we invest in energy efficiency and sustainable energy and that is exactly what we have to do. now, donald trump has a different idea. after years and years of studying the issue from a scientific perspective -- i'm joking, i'm joking. -- he has concluded that climate change is a hoax emanating from china. [laughter] now, why he chose china and not mexico or some muslim country, i don't know. but that's the way it is. now, we can laugh at this.

but in truth, this is not a funny issue. i've got seven grandchildren. secretary clinton has grandchildren. our job as custodians of this planet is to make sure that we leave our kids and grandchildren a planet that is healthy and habitable. [cheers and applause] and that means that we have to have the guts to take on the fossil-fuel industry and tell them their short-term profits are not more important than the future of our planet. [cheers and applause] secretary clinton understands

that we have a broken criminal justice system that needs major reform. [cheers and applause] it is not acceptable to her, to me, and to i suspect anyone here that we as a nation have more people in jail than any other country on earth. and secretary clinton understands, as i think most of us do, that it makes a heck of a lot more sense to invest in jobs and education for our young people rather than jails and incarceration. [cheers and applause] and secretary clinton also understands that with 11 million people in this country who are undocumented today, vast majority working hard to take care of their families, we need

comprehensive immigration reform and a path towards citizenship. [cheers and applause] let me conclude by saying this: all of you know that our country from its earliest days have struggled with issues of racism and sexism and discrimination. and we should be very proud that we have come a long, long way in overcoming a lot of those issues. if we were here i tell you 15 years ago and somebody said, you know, i think we're going to have an african-american as president in the year 2008, very few people would have believed that. if somebody here said 10 years ago that gay marriage would be legal in 50 states in 2015 -- [cheers and applause]

-- and let us not forget that as i stand next to our next president -- [cheers] -- 100 years ago -- not a long time from an historical perspective, women were not running for president, they didn't have the right to vote. they couldn't get an education. couldn't get the jobs they wanted. we have come a long way. i disagree with donald trump on virtually all of his policy positions. but what upsets me the most most -- what upsets me, it's beyond disagreement, is we have struggled for so many years to overcome discrimination, and he is running his campaign, the cornerstone of which is bigotry. now, as americans, we can

disagree on many issues. but we have come too far, too many people have gone to jail, and too many have died in the struggle for equal rights. we are not going back to a bigoted society. [cheers and applause] and furthermore, what we understand -- you know, my dad came from poland, and if we went around this room, you'll find people from 100 more countries all over the world. what we understand is our strength, our uniqueness is our diversity. we should be proud of it. [cheers] we should be proud of it, and we

are not going to allow trump or anyone else to divide us up. we've got a lot of work to do as americans. in the next five days, we've got to do everything that we can to elect secretary clinton. and on the day after the election, we're going to go back to work to make this country what we know it can become. thank you all. [cheers and applause] and now, it is my very great honor and privilege to introduce you to the next president of the

united states, hillary clinton. [cheers and applause] [chanting " hillary"] ms. clinton: thank you. wow. thank you. i've got to say, -- thank you. thank you. after hearing from these two

extraordinary men. i feel all fired up and ready to go for the next five days. [cheers and applause] it is so great to be back here with all of you and there are a few people in the audience that i just want to acknowledge because i'm delighted they're there. u.s. congressman david price i saw right there. thank you, david. [cheers and applause] state senator dan blue, jr., i know, right there. thank you, dan. [cheers] and i'm not sure she's still here, but deborah ross, who i hope is your next senator. there she is! [cheers and applause] because everything pharrell and bernie just said is not only about the presidential election and what's at stake, it is about who's going to represent you as

your governor, as your senator, as members of congress and the legislature, and you have some excellent candidates, and we are so hopeful that you will vote for them and vote for what they represent. i really want to thank my friend, bernie sanders, for everything that he has done. [cheers and applause] i got to serve with bernie. we were colleagues in the senate. i saw first hand his commitment to the people of vermont and to the values that have guided his life. and when we face each other in the primary, here's what i was so proud about. we ran a campaign on the issues that matter to the american people. [cheers and applause]

and i think because of that campaign, we were able to raise a lot of the issues that you heard bernie talking about to the level that they are part of this presidential campaign, and they will be part of our agenda after january 20th, bernie. [cheers and applause] and i'm going to say, too, this election has been a lot more fun now that we're on the same side. and i want to thank bernie for everything he's done. he's cris-crossing our country, energizing people, getting folks off the sidelines and engaged in politics, and there's no question that his efforts are paying off. and what he said at the beginning of his remarks is absolutely true. my name may be on the ballot, but it is not about me. it's not about my opponent.

it's not about bernie. it's not about david or deborah. it is about you and your lives and what we're going to do together. now, bernie and i have already worked -- we've worked on the plan that he told you about to make college tuition-free for the middle class, for working families, for poor kids, and debt-free for everyone. [cheers and applause] because as bernie said earlier this year, when people who care about progressive causes stand together, we win. and then we can get to work on making those causes into realities for the lives of our people. so i am proud to be here with you, and i am so excited about the election, about everything that we're going to do together, and i'm especially pleased to

have pharrell here. [cheers and applause] now, every time i see him, which is not often enough, we always have a good conversation like we did before this event. he always gets you to think. not only is he a world-class talent, but he is a passionate advocate for issues that are too often overlooked and ignored. he wants to -- and i'm going to do everything i can help him -- to deliver giving kids who are at risk access to educational and arts programs that they deserve to have just as much as any other child. [cheers and applause] so tell me this, tell me this, north carolina, tell me, north carolina, are you really, really, really happy that we're here tonight?

[cheers and applause] well, we sure are. happy to be here. let me ask you this. how many of you have already voted? while i hope you are going to bring more people to vote as well, right? volunteer?dy to lastn all use you in these few days. are you ready to elect roy cooper? well, i'm glad to hear that

because it's time you had a governor who puts families first, not article ideology. and i love to see our educators stand up and applaud. because you need a governor who actually cares about the education of the children of north carolina. are you ready to elect deborah ross to the united states senate? i will tell you, deborah and her race are the talk of everywhere. people know she will be an independent noise for nor -- independent voice for north carolina families. that she will represent you with , andrity and excellence unlike her opponent, she has never been afraid to stand up to donald trump.

are you ready now to choose our next president and commander in chief? i am excited. did any of you see the debate? there are several notable aspects of those debates. one is the very fact that i stood on the stage for 4.5 hours with my opponent, proving once and for all i have the stamina to be president and commander in chief. [cheers and applause] but you know, he also kept saying, like oh, well you know, what have you done for the last 30 years? and you know, occasionally i

would interject and say what i had done. and today, in greenville, we had a perfect comparison. started my career fighting for children and families with the children's defense fund when i got out of law school in the 1970s. [cheers] i went to south carolina to gather evidence to stop the government in south carolina from putting young men, teenagers in jails with adults. i went to alabama under cover to gather information about segregated academies to deprive them of tax-exempt status, which they did not deserve. i went door to door in new bedford, massachusetts, gathering information to make the case that every child in america, including children with disabilities, should have the right to a public school education. [cheers and applause]

and as we heard this morning from just a wonderful, distinguished older woman by the name of may wiggins who came all the way down to tell her story -- she was a nurse in new york city back in the 1970s, excited about being a young nurse, getting her nursing degree. and getting her career off to a start. she was looking for a place to live, and she had a budget, like everybody does. she found what she thought would be a perfect place. it was in her budget, it was close to work. she went to apply for an apartment. it was a brand new building. it wasn't even totally finished yet. she went into the little office and asked for an application and they said, oh, well, we don't have any apartments. she said, but i saw the advertisement. well, we have no apartments left.

well, she thought that was pretty peculiar. and so she decided to do a little investigation and she found out that all of her african-american friends who had gone to that apartment run by donald trump and his father, fred, had been told there were no apartments. [booing] so she had the gumption to go and make a complaint, which led to the justice department suing them for discrimination. they settled the suit, but then they had to come back a year later and sue them again because they were still discriminating. so when you hear, as bernie so powerfully said at the end of his remarks, that we are standing against the possibility of returning and normalizing discrimination, take it seriously, my friends, because

it truly is -- it truly is at stake in this election. and i was also very, very grateful. i had a role in helping create the children's health insurance program as first lady, and let me tell you, one of the great honors as i travel across the country is meeting young people who are the beneficiaries or meeting their families. i met a woman here in north carolina who told her story and we actually recorded it because all of us were so moved by what she had to say when her baby was born. her daughter, she was deaf. and the doctors all said she'll never, she'll never communicate. so she cannot learn to speak, so you need to teach her sign language.

and the mom did all this research and concluded that there were some treatments that might help her daughter, but she didn't have that kind of money. they didn't have that kind of insurance. and she was telling her doctor she didn't know what to do, and the doctor just serendipitously said, you know, there's this new program, it's called the children's health insurance program. it's for people who are not poor, but they don't make enough money to afford that kind of insurance, and they don't work for an employer who provides it. you should look into it. and she did. and that began the process of her getting the treatment that her daughter needed. and when i met the mother, i also met the daughter, right here. i talked with her. she told me how proud she was because she had just graduated from college, george washington university. [cheers and applause]

so, yes, you know, i do sweat the details and i do have a lot of plans. tim kaine put a whole book out called "stronger together" telling you exactly what we're going to try to do it we're fortunate enough to be president and vice president, because i actually think it's important for you to know what we're going to do together. and as a senator, i helped to rebuild new york city after new -- after 9/11 and provided healthcare to our brave first responders. as your secretary of state, i traveled to 112 countries, negotiated cease fires, reduced the threat of nuclear weapons, stood up for human rights and women's rights and lgbt right all around the world. [cheers and applause] and, you know, everything i've done started by listening to people.

listening to hear your stories, what you're worried about. and then working to bring people together to find common ground, even with people who disagreed with me on lots of issues. you know, when i was first lady, i had a great commitment to kids in foster care, and i wanted to improve our foster care and adoption laws, and i was looking for some republican to work with me, and i found one because i did my research and found out that one of the most partisan republicans, congressman tom delay from texas had a heart for children in foster care. he and his wife had fostered children and i called him up. and i said congressman, would you work with me to change the laws on foster care and adoption. there was a silence, and he said what do you want me to do? i said come to the white house. come to a meeting. we'll sit down and figure out what we can do.

and we did. and i meet those kids. and i meet those families. kids who were taken out of foster care and given the chance to have a loving permanent family for the first time. [cheers and applause] now, i'm telling you this because i really believe that's the only way we're going to get things done. and if you elect me next tuesday, that is the kind of president i will be. [cheers and applause] [chanting "hillary"] ms. clinton: so let me just mention a few of the ideas that we've been putting forward to help you and your families get ahead and stay ahead, because i truly believe you need a candidate you can vote for, not just someone to vote against.

[cheers and applause] but as you're making this choice, we need to be clear about what the choice is, because come january 20, america will have a new president. it will either be me or my opponent. now, i think it's fair to say, things are going to change. change is part of life. that much is certain. the question is what kind of change are we going to see? are we going to build a stronger, fairer, better america? or are we going to fear each other and fear our future? i want you just to imagine, imagine the different kinds of futures that are available depending upon who's elected on january 20th. because by imagining it, i want you to think about every issue you care about.

everything that is dear to you, everything that you heard from pharrell and from bernie. it's hard for me to imagine that we would have a president who has demeaned women, mocked the disabled, insulted african-americans and latinos, pitted people against each other instead of bringing them together. that is unfortunately what has -- what we have seen in this campaign. what we have seen, what has been said, and how distressful it has been. beenw a lot of people have upset about what has gone on in this campaign. people come and talk to me. i have had people say that they can't sleep, that their stomachs are bothering them, that they have headaches, and i think that is an important signal, because this is a big decision.

and as michelle obama has said, the presidency does not change who you are, it reveals who you are. [applause] and i think it's fair to say that my opponent has already revealed who he is. he wants to ban every muslim in the world from coming to the united states. our country is founded on religious freedom. it is one of the most important building blocks of our democracy. [cheers and applause] he has said that he thinks the lives of black people are all crime and poverty and despair. he has no idea about the strength of the black church,

the vibrancy of black-owned businesses, the excellence of historically black colleges and universities. [cheers and applause] he seems not to recognize the rise of a new generation of black activists for social justice and the success of black leaders in every field. and we saw that again in the way he treated the central park five. these were five black and latino kids, some as young as 14, who were wrongly convicted of a terrible crime in new york city back in 1990. donald trump took out full-page ads in four newspapers calling for the death penalty of these kids. nearly three decades later, they were exonerated by dna evidence.

[cheers and applause] and in addition, someone else confessed to the crime, so they were finally released from prison. but not only did trump refused to apologize for what he had said about them, and even calling for their executions, he actually said they should still be in prison. evidence did not matter. [boos] the law did not matter. to him, those kids would always be guilty. think about it. if he wants to keep exonerated people in jail, how can we trust him to fight for the world of -- rule of justice and criminal justice reform in america? [applause] do we want him appointing our

judges? do we want him controlling the justice department? [audience yelling "no!"] i've said many times he has , shown who he is. now it's up to us to decide who we are. and right now, people across our country are coming together to do just that. they are rejecting the dark and divisive vision for one that is more hopeful and inclusive. we know that america is bighearted, not small minded. we want to lift people up, not tear each other down. [cheers] and that's why i do believe we are stronger together, so let me paint you a different picture. here's what we are going to do together. we are going to take on systemic racism with a full commitment and real follow-through.

because we refuse to accept as normal some of what we are seeing across america. what happened at that church in mississippi yesterday should not have happened, and it should never be accepted. people painted the words "vote trump" on the side and then set it on fire. who would do that? who would do that to a place of worship where people seek solace? that can never be normal. it can never be acceptable. what happened in flint, michigan, as bernie said, can never be normal, can never be acceptable. [cheers and applause] little children drinking and bathing in poisoned water that will affect their health for years to come, and then we know, don't we.

too many young african-americans are dying in police incidents, or because of gun violence. [applause] we know their names. trayvon martin and eric garner and sandra bland and keep scott -- keith scott and so many others. we've got to face this, and we are going to get to work to do just that. [cheers and applause] we are going to dismantle the so-called school-to-prison pipeline. [cheers and applause] and we are going to replace it with a cradle-to-college pipeline. [cheers and applause] and we are going to start with our youngest kids and their families to get them the support

that they need, and we are going to take a hard look at what we need to do to make sure every child has the chance to attend good schools with good teachers, no matter what their zip code is. [cheers and applause] and we will reform our criminal justice system from end to end. it is wrong, my friends, that black men are far more likely to be stopped by police, charged, and sentenced to longer prison terms than white men for the same offenses. [cheers and applause] when i launched this campaign back in april of 2015, the very first speech i gave was on the topic of criminal justice reform.

i said then, and i have repeated throughout this campaign, we must end the era of mass incarceration. [cheers and applause] too many families have been broken up. too many communities have been so badly affected. we have to reform these mandatory minimums. we have to ban the box so people who have served their time can get a real chance at a job. [cheers and applause] and we have to restore trust between police and communities. we are all safer when everyone has respect for the law and everyone is respected by the law. [cheers and applause] this is important to families

and communities, but it is important to all of us. this is about who we are as a country, about whether we really are a nation that believes in freedom and justice for all. too often, despite the progress we have made, we fall short of that goal, and we have to be honest about it. i am determined to make this one of the most important projects of my presidency, and i hope all of you will join me in doing that. [cheers and applause] and i have to say -- [crowd chanting "hillary"] i have to say that's only part of what must be done, because the leading cause of death for young african-american men, more than the next nine causes combined, is gun violence.

we have more than 30,000 people a year dying for guns. i cannot tolerate this any longer. i have met the families of those who have lost loved ones, who lost the first graders at sandy hook, the bible study churchgoers in charleston, the clubgoers in orlando, the moviegoers in aurora, colorado, people going about their lives being cut senselessly short. we have to take steps to reduce gun violence, and i know we can do that

-- and i know we can do that because -- [cheers and applause] ms. clinton: the vast majority of americans agree that something must be done, and a very big majority of gun owners agree as well. [applause] ms. clinton: and we've got to make investments in those communities that are struggling, especially communities of color. when i was in eastern north carolina today, i was talking to people there who had been devastated by hurricane matthew. people who did not have very much to start with, who lost everything. farmers with 100, 200 acres growing sweet potatoes, wiped out. we have to help everybody get ahead. i believe the economy must work for everyone, not just those at the top, and i think hard-working americans deserve a raise, and women deserve equal pay. [cheers and applause]

ms. clinton: so, how are we going to do this? well, we are going to go where the money is. just as bernie said, we are going to make the wealthy pay their fair share, and make sure wall street does not threaten main street again. and i can't wait to work with bernie to make public colleges like nc state tuition free. [cheers and applause] ms. clinton: i know that this is another issue pharrell feels passionate about as well. if you are struggling with student debt, we will help you get out from under it. [cheers and applause] ms. clinton: and in my plan is a $25 billion fund specifically aimed at supporting historically black colleges and universities. [cheers and applause]

ms. clinton: schools like shaw and saint augustine. [cheers and applause] ms. clinton: because you know they produce some of the finest leaders in our country, and i want to make sure they keep doing that vital work. we could go on all night. bernie and i can keep you here until breakfast. [laughter] ms. clinton: because we get excited about what we can do. but of course, we can't do anything if you don't get out and vote and get everybody you know to vote. [cheers and applause] [chanting "hillary"] ms. clinton: this is going to be one of the most consequential elections in our country's history, because we are at a crossroads. it's not just to my opponent is. -- it is not just who my

opponent is. pharrell is right. it's not just about him, although there are some special features that certainly raise deep concerns. [laughter] ms. clinton: it's about who we are, what we want, what we are going to do to make our mark on our country at this time in our history. [cheers and applause] ms. clinton: i believe america's best days are still ahead of us if we do what we are supposed to do. [cheers and applause] ms. clinton: every social movement, every economic advance has only come about because people were willing to work and sacrifice and keep pushing forward in the face of

adversity. it's not easy. it wasn't easy to get the vote for women. it wasn't easy to have the final efforts made to ensure that the civil rights act was enforced. it wasn't easy, because there are powerful interests still trying to push us back and push us down. and right now, you know, because in this state a lot of effort was put into trying to suppress the vote, right? [cheers and applause] ms. clinton: and some people got discouraged about that. i have met some people who say, i don't even know what they want, what kind of identification. it gets a little discouraging.

you cannot get discouraged. do not grow weary while doing good. [cheers and applause] ms. clinton: it is now our turn to stand up to people like your governor and your legislature who wanted to shut you down and push you back. [cheers and applause] ms. clinton: because we are fundamentally a good nation, and we need to make sure that we deliver on that promise, and in this election, president obama's entire legacy is on the line. everything that he has worked so hard to do against implacable opposition. as the president said yesterday, everything we've done is

dependent upon him being able to pass the baton to somebody who believes in the same things he believes in. [cheers and applause] ms. clinton: so i've got to tell you, i've told the president i am ready to take the baton, but he is going to have to bend over because he is a lot taller than i am. but i'm not just taking it, all of us are taking it. we are all ready to take that baton, to defend on the progress of his presidency, and that's why we must vote. early vote and vote on tuesday, if you can't get to early vote. 31 million americans have already voted. [cheers and applause] ms. clinton: and listen to this, more then 2 million right here in north carolina have already

voted. [cheers and applause] ms. clinton: so make no mistake about it, you can make the difference, not only issue you elect, but in the agenda that those people will then get to work on. i want you to hold me accountable. i want you to be my partners. but i can't do any of this -- you know, when i was with my -- with our wonderful first lady last week, she reminded that big problem we had in winston-salem. -- that big crowd we had in winston-salem. president obama in 2008 won the state by about 14,000 votes. if you break that down, you know what the difference between winning and losing is? roughly two votes per precinct. don't let anybody tell you their vote doesn't matter. you've got to get everyone you

know to come out and vote. you can vote early through this saturday, november 5. if you don't know where to vote, go to iwillvote.com to confirm your polling location. the best way to defeat the hateful rhetoric and discrimination is to show up with the biggest turnout in american history. [cheers and applause] ms. clinton: and then that will be the story of this election. let's make that one for the history books. please be part of what we are doing in these next days, and let's make sure that we not only have a future we can believe in, but one we can help create together, and -- [cheers] ms. clinton: and we will say once and for all that love trumps hate. thank you all. [cheers and applause] ♪

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>> our road to the white house coverage continues tomorrow from detroit where hillary clinton will hold a rally at 5:00 p.m. eastern. we will take you to hershey, pennsylvania, with a rally -- for a rally with donald trump. >> as the nation elects a new president on tuesday, will america have its first foreign-born first lady since louisa atoms? or will he have the first president -- learn more about the presidential -- now available in paperback, first ladies gives readers a look into the personal lives of every first lady in american history. it is a companion to c-span's biography series. chapterres -- each offers brief biographies of 45 presidential spouses. first ladies, in paperback,

published by public affairs is now available at your favorite bookseller. announcer: donald trump's wife melania gave her first speech since july. she was introduced by karen pence, the wife of vice presidential candidate, mike pence. ms. pence: good afternoon, pennsylvania! [cheers] ms. pence: what an honor it is to be here with you today. i'm karen pence. [cheers] ms. pence: thank you. and my husband, mike pence, is running for vice president. [cheers and applause]

mrs. pence: on the ticket with our next president of the united states, donald trump. [cheers and applause] ms. pence: i flew in this morning from iowa, where mike is campaigning right now as we speak. and yesterday, we were campaigning in arizona, new mexico, and colorado. later today, he will be in michigan. and then we will meet back up in pittsburgh tonight. [cheers and applause] ms. pence: it has been the greatest privilege of our lives for mike to be running and preparing to serve as the next vice president with president donald trump. [cheers and applause] ms. trump: so for those of you -- ms. pence: so for those of you who do not know much about me, i am a schoolteacher, an artist,

and an entrepreneur. and a mother of three wonderful children. [cheering and applause] pence: including our daughter charlotte, who is here with me today. [cheers and applause] mrs. pence: you know, it has been wonderful to serve indiana these last four years as the first lady of indiana, but mike and i are looking forward to serving the country in the next four years with donald and melania trump. [cheering and applause] ms. pence: on the campaign trail, one of the greatest blessings for us in this campaign has been getting to know donald and melania trump and their families, and seeing their heart for this country and their passion to make it better. they are tireless, believe me,

waking up every day ready to take their message to the american people. and now, with just five days to go before election day, we can see their efforts and hard work really paying off. and looking at all of you, i can tell that pennsylvania is ready to make history by helping to elect donald trump as the 45th president of the united states. and when you do, melania trump will be our new first lady. [cheers and applause] mrs. pence: she is amazing. let me tell you a little bit about her. melania is, first and foremost, a dedicated wife and mother. the first time i met melania was

when she and donald were deciding who to choose for the vice president, and we joined them for a weekend at their resort in bedminster. we were having dinner, and melania looked at me and asked about our three children. well, i told her with a wink that we have raised three independent-thinking children who don't always agree with their father on every issue. i told her we have a lot of great discussions around our dinner table, believe me. but you know what, she looked at me with her warm smile, and she said, "i like that. you are teaching them to think for themselves. i like that." and i knew right then that i was really going to like melania. i have so enjoyed getting to know melania during these last several months. you know, as the spouse of a candidate, it is not always easy

to have your husband out on the campaign trail with a very grueling schedule or to face the barrage of attacks, but i can tell you one thing about melania trump, she is strong. [cheers and applause] ms. pence: she also -- she is so strong. she also is very accomplished, working her way up to the fashion and modeling industry and emigrating to america from her native slovenia. her love for america is boundless, just like her husband's. she is going to be america's next great first lady. [cheers and applause] ms. pence: and i know that america will fall in love with her, just as she loves the american people. ladies and gentlemen, it is my great privilege to introduce to you the next first lady of the

united states of america, melania trump! [cheers and applause] ♪ >> ♪ this is the dawning of the age of aquarius aquarius aquarius aquarius harmony and understanding sympathy and trust abounding ♪ [cheers and applause] ms. trump: thank you, first lady of indiana karen pence. thank you. that was very nice. >> we love you! mrs. trump: we love you, too. what a wonderful welcome here in pennsylvania.

it has been more than 500 days since my husband donald trump announced he would run for president of the united states. [cheers and applause] mrs. trump: i remember that day in june 2015 vividly. surrounded by our family and speaking to an audience of millions, donald promised to campaign on behalf of of those who feel the system is broken and does not work for them, those who just want a fair shake, an opportunity for better education, a better paying job, a better future. [cheers and applause] mrs. trump: he pledged to

restore integrity to washington and respect for america abroad. this is not an ordinary campaign. it is a movement. [cheers and applause] mrs. trump: a movement in which people feel included, inspired, and involved. i have seen it firsthand. we are deeply grateful to the millions of americans who believe in my husband, because they know he believes in you. [cheers and applause] mrs. trump: he believes in america, and he will make fantastic president of these united states. [cheers and applause] mrs. trump: i come here today to talk about my husband donald and his deep love and respect for this country and all of its people. i have come here to talk about this man i have known for 18 years. and i have come here today to talk about our partnership, our family, and what i know for sure

in my heart about this man who will make america great again. [cheers and applause] mrs. trump: i know exactly what that means. i grew up in a small town in slovenia near a beautiful river and forest. slovenia is a small country that back then was under communist rule. it was a beautiful childhood. my parents were wonderful. of course, we always knew about the incredible place called america. america was the word for freedom and opportunity. america meant -- if you could dream it, you could become it. [cheers and applause] mrs. trump: when i was 10 years old, we learned that a man named ronald reagan was elected president of the united states of america. [cheers and applause]

mrs. trump: we heard what he was saying and doing. president reagan's morning in america was not just something in the united states. it began to feel like morning around the world, even in my small country. it was a true inspiration to me. later, i lived in milan and paris, working hard as a fashion model. i worked with people all over the world. fashion is a business of glamour. , -- business of glamour, but it is also hard work. there are ups and downs, high highs, and ridicule and rejection, too. i loved my work, and as a young entrepreneur, i wanted to follow my dreams to a place where freedom and opportunity were in abundance. so, of course, i came here. living and working in america with a true blessing, but i

wanted something more. i wanted to be an american. after a 10 year process, which included many visas and a green card, in 2006, i studied for the test and became a u.s. citizen. [cheers and applause] mrs. trump: which is the greatest privilege in the world. i am an immigrant. and let me tell you, no one values the freedoms and opportunity of america more than me, both as an independent woman and as someone who immigrated to america. [cheers and applause] mrs. trump: love for this country is something we immediately shared when i met donald. he loves this country, and he knows how to get things done, not just talk.

he personally knows how to shake things up, doesn't he? [cheers and applause] mrs. trump: he knows how to make real change. "make america great again" is not just some slogan. it is what has been in his heart since the day i met him. over the years of our marriage, i have watched my husband grow more and more concerned as he sees american workers suffer. i have watched him get frustrated as he sees parents travel to care for children while working outside the home. i have watched him as he sees, over and over again, policies that make our country less strong, less secure, and less safe. every time my husband learned of a factory closing in ohio or north carolina or here in

pennsylvania, i saw him get very upset. he could see what was happening. he saw the problems. and he always talked about how he could fix them. my family is truly blessed. the most important thing we have in our family is health and love and loyalty. donald has built -- [cheers and applause] mrs. trump: donald has built a very successful company. the privilege to go to work each day to do a job he loves, alongside his adult children, this is a great blessing for any parent. he had a great and fulfilling life, but donald felt he could not sit by anymore and watch what was happening in our country. and that is when this campaign, this movement, began.

[cheers and applause] [chanting "trump"] mrs. trump: as donald travels the country, he has asked some simple but very important questions. what kind of country do we want? do we want a country that is safe with secure borders? yes. do we want a country where every american gets a fair shot? yes. do we want a country that honors our constitution? yes. do we want a country that honors life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? >> yes! mrs. trump: do we want a country that respects women and provides them with equal opportunity? >> yes. mrs. trump: do we want a country

where every child has access to a good education? >> yes! mrs. trump: do we want children to be safe and secure and dream big dreams? >> yes! mrs. trump: do we want a president who is beholden to no one but you, the american people? [cheers and applause] mrs. trump: yes. do we want a president who is a fighter for all, and will never give up? yes. then we want donald trump to be our president. >> yes! [cheering and applause] [chanting "trump"] mrs. trump: people have asked me, if donald is the president, what kind of first lady will you be? it will be my honor and privilege to serve this country. [cheers and applause]

mrs. trump: i will be an advocate for women and for children. let me tell you a little bit more about what that means to me. i am a full-time mother to our son, an incredible voice. as his father travels around the country running for president, i am with our son. we talk a little bit about politics and a lot about life, homework, and sports. baron has many privileges and advantages. we know how fortunate we are. still, i have the same conversations with my son that many of you have with your sons and daughters and nieces and nephews, grandchildren and godchildren. i want my little boy to know that he is blessed to have been

born in this country that values individual freedom and constitutional democracy. i want our children in this country and all around the world to live a a beautiful life, to be safe and secure, to dream freely of love and a family of their own someday. we need to teach our youth american values, kindness, honesty, respect, compassion, charity, understanding, and cooperation. i do worry about all of our children. as we know, now social media is a centerpiece of our lives. it can do useful tool for connection and communication. it can ease isolation that so many people feel in the modern world. technology has changed our

universe. but like anything that is powerful, it can have a bad side. we have seen this already. as adults, many of us are able to handle mean words, even lies. children and teenagers can be fragile. they are hurt when they are made fun of, or made to feel less in looks or intelligence. this makes their life hard and can force them to hide and retreat. our culture has gotten too mean and too rough, especially to children and teenagers. it is never ok when a 12-year-old girl or boy is mocked, bullied, or attacked. it is terrible when that happens on the playground, and it is absolutely unacceptable when it

is done by someone with no name hiding on the internet. [applause] mrs. trump: we have to find a better way to talk to each other, to disagree with each other, to respect each other. we must find better ways to honor and support the basic goodness of our children, especially in social media. it will be one of the main focuses of my work if i am privileged enough to become your first lady. [cheers and applause] mrs. trump: i will also work hard to include everyday life for women, the women in america are incredible. they are strong, intelligent, generous, determined. with opportunities, women will advance and achieve.

but some women have been left behind. i see that. we cannot call ourselves a fully developed or advanced nation when 50% of our women live in poverty, when 60 million are without health insurance, when too many are choosing between basic needs like rent, food, and health care. this cannot be. we cannot afford to have more of the same. we must break with the failures of the past and embrace a future that is worthy of this great nation and her beautiful people. [cheers and applause] mrs. trump: we must win on november 8, and we must come together as americans. we must treat each other with respect and kindness, even when we disagree. i will be there to support my

husband's efforts to help all americans when he is president. donald trump will make america fair. he will make america safe. he will make america prosperous. he will make america proud. and yes, this man i know so well, donald trump, with your help and god's grace, will make america great again. thank you. god bless you. and god bless this beautiful country. [cheers and applause] ♪ [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2016] announcer: during the speech, donald trump tweeted a photo of himself watching from his plane.

the caption "watching my beautiful wife melania speaking about country would make you all proud." our coverage continues from detroit, where hillary clinton will be holding a rally live at 5:15 p.m. eastern, and then we will take you to hershey, pennsylvania, with donald trump, live at 7:00 p.m. eastern. announcer: election night on c-span. watch the results and be part of a national conversation about the outcome. be on vacation at the hillary clinton and donald trump election night headquarters. watch victory and concession spaces in key senate house and governors races. starting live at 8:00 p.m. eastern and throughout the following 24 hours. watch live on c-span, on demand at c-span.org, or use the c-span radio app. announcer: all this week, we have been providing live

coverage of political talk shows from national radio hosts. today we visited the studios of thom hartmann. we will join him for the second hour of his syndicated show. thom: welcome back to the thom hartmann program. jason chaffetz is the guy, he wants to be, in my opinion -- he's not send this out loud, but this is just -- look at the sky. he's like mr. grandstand. he's the guy who apparently tweeted out james comey's letter before it went public, which got a lot of people scratching their heads, if that's what happened. there is some debate about whether or not that is what happened. and he wants to investigate hillary clinton for the use of a private server for her e-mails. there are, by the way -- as "newsweek" point out, dick cheney and george w. bush used a

private server. 22 million e-mails vanished. apparently jason chaffetz is using a private server too. in fact, the e-mail for his private server is on his official business card, so he's got a bit of a problem going after hillary clinton, but we will see. right now, with us is anthony baxter, the director of the new movie "you've been trumped too." the website is trumpedfilm.com. you can tweet him @trumpedmovie or @antbaxter. great to have you with us. you are a scottish filmmaker, i have that right? >> that's right. i just flew back from new york where we had the world premiere of the film last week. we are showing up for the first

time in the u.k. tonight, and then we are live streaming at this evening at 8:00 eastern on facebook. at that web address you mentioned, trumpsfilm.com. and we want to get it out to as many americans as possible, because donald trump has been trying to shut the film down, threatening us with legal action, and we think it is really important to get the film out to as many people as possible, mainly because we have heard a lot of what mr. trump has said during the course of his campaign, but what we show in the film is what he does, and the results of his actions on women, and in particular a 92-year-old woman who donald trump says reminds him of his own mother. but the woman has been without proper working water supply for five years, all because of trump, quote unquote, as she

puts it. i first made the film "you've been trumped" in 2010, and as part of that, it talked about trump's workers had cut off the water supply while building a luxury golf course in scotland, just up the road from where i am speaking to you. this was a protected coastline. nothing was supposed to be built on it. trump got permission to build on it because he promised 6000 jobs. as we show in the film, he has actually delivered 95 jobs, most of them part-time, low-paid. and there he is saying he will be, quote unquote, the greatest jobs president god ever created. we want to show the reality of the situation and what trump does are two totally different things. as for the water supply, they spent five years without proper working water because of this action by donald trump's workers.

thom: wow. it has built a giant wall around the golf course blocking the view of the ocean from people who have been living there a long time. anthony: yes. trump plans to build a wall between mexico and the united states, and here in scotland he built these huge earth walls around people's houses because he said they were ugly and he did not want to see the houses, and he wants to get rid of the houses using eminent domain. the scottish equivalent is compulsory purchase. mr. trump tried that tactic and it failed. what he did his he built these huge walls around people's houses so they could not see out of their windows. he has security people on top of those mounds, watching over them a in and day out. it is a series of tactics that has led to intimidation, bullying, and harassment for years.

thom: is this because he's concerned that the very wealthy people who will be using his golf course would be offended at seeing an average working person's home? anthony: yes. he said at the beginning that michael forbes, the farmer i mentioned and his mother molly, he branded their home a slum and said michael lived like a pig. and he said he did not want to build his luxury hotel overlooking a slum. he used that excuse as a reason for not holding the hotel, which was part of the equation that was supposed to deliver all the jobs. michael was fair in much the kind of person that trump is appealing to in america, a kind of working guy. he repairs machinery, lots of stuff in his backyard that he uses to fix up other things. trump called it a disgrace and michael a national embarrassment to scotland.

thom: we are talking to anthony baxter, the filmmaker and director of "you've been trumped 2." the website is trumpedfilm.com, and the twitter is @trumpedmovie. we have a short clip if i may play that. [video clip] >> [indiscernible] >> here is the thing about walls. i don't want to hear -- i don't want to see the houses. i remember him saying -- mr. trump i don't want to see the houses. nobody has a problem with it.

i guess people in the houses do. i will build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me. >> how are you going to make them pay for the wall? mr. trump: i will, and the wall just got 10 feet taller. thom: apparently mr. trump has a thing about walls. anthony: he does. those walls were built around the houses of john munro and susan monro. they have these bulldozers spring into action one morning and start building these walls without any notification at all. and the guy who you saw walked to the top of his wall, that was the same story with him. one morning he woke up and there were several bulldozers building this massive wall around his house so that donald trump not

-- so that donald trump would not see his house. we have him on camera as well saying he wants to get rid of david's house. he has permission to bulldoze, as it were, but that is from the local planning authority, the planning permission to essentially build a carpark on top of his house. all of the residents have shown incredible dignity and courage over the years against intimidation and bullying. walls, theye big haven't gone anywhere and have stood up in a quiet, dignified way to the environment they believe in. it has been destroyed, and for what? one golf course for the superrich that is losing millions of dollars according to the latest figures and is hiring only a tiny fraction of the people donald trump promised. thom: it is an amazing story.

the movie is "you have been trumped 2." thanks for stopping by today. anthony: thank you. thom: i appreciate you being with us. we will be right back in 15 minutes. >> this is the thom hartmann program. thom: we will be back with more after this. ♪ thom: welcome back. let us see here.

june -- no, she dropped off the phone. let's talk to barbara. what is up? caller: i was watching the news report from amy this morning and watching the military buildup against the indians at standing rock, and i am so furious that even at 72 years old, i think i'm going to go stand with them. more important, you talked a while back about that the airwaves belong to the people of this country, and yet the corporations have taken over the

airwaves and i want to know what we can do and what i personally can do to start a process of getting those airwaves back. the people of this country get ignorance. i don't think that politics really is going to matter because people are ignorant in this country. thom: i think the way to do it is to contact politicians in office or running for office and say do you support a return to the ownership rules that existed before the 1996 telecommunications act? it used to be that if you wanted to own a tv station in a particular town, you cannot also own the radio station or the newspaper. you had to pick one. now you can own all three. we have gone from in the 1970's, literally tens of thousands of owners of newspapers, radio

stations and television stations. i started as a teenager at a local radio station in michigan, doing weekend country-western dj. in 1968, i think it was. that station was owned by a local guy. i went from there to another station owned by a local guy. i went from there to another station owned by a local guy. all of the stations were locally owned. i don't think any of them are locally owned anymore. that is not just the story in michigan, that is the entire united states. it used to be locally owned, because the law used to state that you could own a couple of

stations you can't own the whole thing. right now, the whole thing -- basically if you look at the major radio stations and the country, they are owned by two companies. this is all consistent with reagan stopping in forcing the sherman act in 1980 two, which -- in 1982 which led to mergers and acquisitions mania. it was in the 1990's that it got applied to the media in a big way. it is a political problem, it was created by politicians and can be fixed by politicians, but you have to get them aware about it, concerned about it, on the record. barbara, thanks for the call. we will be back. ♪ ♪

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♪ thom: welcome back. coming up on 22 minutes past the hour and jim in tennessee. what is up? caller: the trump surrogate that was talking about health care. it is amazing to me, these surrogates always drop these little untruth bombs that are hard to detect -- i don't know, they are very slick edit. -- slick at it. she was saying someone was getting treatment for health care, and when asked about the medicare expansion, she said you can get 10 care here -- tenncare here. that is not part of the medicare expansion. it was for people who could get

health care to save their lives. when the republicans started taking control of the state, they cut it to the bone. you have to have a $3000-$4000 for your income to get it right now. thom: i remember tennessee was one of the states, you had a democratic governor, who had adopted the medicaid expansion part of obamacare, correct me if i am wrong on this. you are saying that when the election two years ago happened, you got a republican governor

and he did away with it? caller: this was back in 1990, they got a waiver that created this program. thom: i'm thinking of kentucky. tennessee never expanded medicaid? caller: no. there is a bastardized form that really means nothing, but they act like it is a big advancement. thom: thank you for calling from tennessee and setting the record straight. we have the smartest listeners on earth, i'm grateful to you all. scott in california. what is on your mind? caller: good to talk to you, i don't get to call very often, but i know you're out there and i'm glad for it. here is what i am wondering, since the talk is about health care, in this is a serious question, it sounds kinda edgy. is it that the republicans and right-wingers want people to die or do they just not care? the reason i'm asking is because

they apparently don't care if we don't have food if we are poor, they don't care if we have jobs because they send them overseas, they don't apparently care if we have adequate housing, and the list goes on. by extension it would make sense if they either want people to die from lack of health care or they do not give a damn. thom: i think there are a couple of things at play. i don't think people are trying to create a system where people are going to die. i'm not that machiavellian. but i think there is this her thissive -- there is pervasive mythology that seeds the right-wing machine that is used as a justification and excuse, that essentially says we are all equal, it says in the

declaration of independence, and if you don't have good health care or whatever, it is because you are -- fill in the blank. it is your own fault because you are not -- fill in that blank. the calvinists, the whole idea was if we are going to have kings or queens or leaders, we have to figure out who god wants us to have, and it would be the rich people. obviously, they have been blessed with wealth. it has infiltrated our culture. the privilege of where you were born, what opportunities you have, all of these other things -- gender, male privilege. all of these things that actually do influence the course of your life.

and in this weird, right wing theory, because everybody has the opportunity -- well, everybody should have a job or they can set aside $5,000 per year, they should have relatives they can borrow from, or a church where they can borrow money. it is a convenient rationalization. i am of the opinion personally that the senior executives of most of the health insurance companies are probably sociopaths. knowing that people are dying because of the financial decisions you're making and still being able to sleep at night is virtually the clinical definition of sociopathy. , theyk most of the voters have lived in this bubble of privilege their entire life and they don't get how it is for so many people in america, and some of them are starting to lose the privilege as a result of our

trade laws, which donald trump has pointed out to some extent correctly. except he failed to point out that is hitting principally the white middle class. that is the problem, we are not having a conversation about if we are going to protect your house, where we protecting your body? thanks for the call. >> you are listening to the tom hartmann program. thom: we will be back after the break. ♪ >> i did not want to interrupt you. you were on a roll.

thom: today we are reading about the crash of 2016. the way that our show is organized, we are on the air monday through friday, three hours per day, 12:00-3:00 eastern time. i do a lot of debate with conservatives on this program. i know a lot of liberal hosts don't like to have conservatives on their program and i think that is mistake. i have a lot of respect for my viewers and listeners. i believe the people can make up their own minds, i think if people are given the facts, they're smart enough to figure out what is right and wrong. so having somebody like scott on, saying here is the conservative position, she made

a good argument and had talking points and said here is what i would do. i was able to rebut them, at least i think so. i am sure some trump supporters thought that she kicked my butt. i'm sure there are partisans on the left who thought the opposite. i am not concerned about winning or losing. what i think is important is we highlight the issues on both sides and let people make up their own mind. thomas jefferson said that if america is to hope to be a functioning republic with an electorate that is neither educated nor informed, it is hoping for something that never was and never will be. i think that is true. typically at least once a day, i have a conservative on that i debate with, sometimes every hour.

the other format thing, if you are new to our show, when i don't have guests. it is mostly just me and you, me talking to the people and the folks who call in. should we really be having this war in iraq? what is going on in syria and lebanon? we will spend the hour discussing that. we will start with a debate or not. when i don't have a guest who is going to debate me and try to fight with me, i will try to present both sides of it as a starting point. so the folks who are saying,

this is what should have, this is why we shouldn't have, this is what we should. i think there is a level of integrity in that. i grew up starting in radio in the 1960's and 1970's, and back then news was news and we actually saw both sides pretty much in every issue. we had an educated electorate, and therefore when crazies came along like george wallace, they were viewed as crazies, now we have a guy who is -- donald trump is in my opinion far to the right of george wallace. i lived in michigan when wallace ran for president, and the republicans in michigan said let's all vote for george wallace and embarrass the democrats, and they sent him to the convention.

in any case, the point i think is that it is important to have these kinds of dialogues and discussions. the fact that so much of this discussion -- i remember when i was a kid, i watched william f buckley's show with my dad, who was a republican. we would argue politics. -- buckley would have liberals on. they would have discussions. we don't do that anymore, we have dueling bumper stickers. even the ones who pretend to do that, it is dueling bumper stickers, it is not digging into the issues. i'm trying to get back to that time -- not to that time so much, but back to that ideal that we really need to be well-informed, to understand the worldview and perspective of