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fan, have the courage to speak is h,veheit unpopular. >> i want to talk with you about unexpected, the about making room for the improbable and the unlikely. >> past commencement speeches the c-span video library year's n us for this speeches. starting 8 p.m. eastern on the 27th, the 0, 29th memorial day and june 3rd >> "washington journal" continues. host: you probably know jeff justice om his work as in homeland security orrespondent at cbs news and author of "black and blue, inside the divide between the asice and black america" and we take up this conversation during police week, want to ask, this book and te why did you write it now?
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guest: well, i thought this was the right time. something i started working on in earnest about a that was of course at a time when many stories, erg usson, baltimore, still in the news, still an issue, north charleston and the shooting there. wanted to tell this fromson, b the news, still an issue, north charleston and the shooting there. so, i wanted to tell this fromse news, still an issue, north charleston and the shooting there. uson, baltimore, still in from the news, still an issue, north charleston and the shooting there. so, i wanted to tell this from sides, both sides equally. i spent a lot of time in chicago people in the community there and talking to police officers and police officials to get the real story what is go og there. talks.d blunt i didn't go into the neighborhoods with my suit and carried my alone, phone, just a recorder, and just at down in these neighborhoods to get the real story, blunt talk about what is going on between the police officers and community. host: may 2017, where are we in
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the divide between the police getting better or worse? guest: as you know, it still xists and depending what the flash point is, what story pops p in the news, that's a good barometer of whether it is getting better or worse. is reform re throughout the country among police chief necessary local police departments, moving what the feds r do, you see and this is about in hat i talk black and blue" police officials forward with body cameras, more transparency, ways tability and finding to reach out to people in the community. this is a divide that continues, but steps are being taken to relations. host: did you watch president trump's speech at the capitol of police s part week? trump, police officers need more protection, what did you think
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about that speech? guest: if you talk to police fficers, the rank and file would agree with that. and that is something that i've heard from police officers country, they appreciate what they see as lawident trump's support of enforcement. so that is something that i words and hear the certainly comforting for law enforcement. the question is how do the feel about what the is age that president trump saying and what that means for them? >> moderator: more message from yesterday.rump rise to danger and give rise to violence. our time to work with cops, not against them, but to our rt them in making streets safe, not to obstruct, obstruct e doing, we them, it is time for all parties and m all beliefs to join together in a
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simple goal to ensure that every in america has the right to grow up in safety, security peace. true social justice means a uture where every child and every neighborhood can play outside without fear, can walk from school and can live out the beautiful dreams fill their heart, like you, micah. [applause] president trump: freedom includes the right to be free i mean totally free from violence.from be gone from to our streets very soon, believe me. applause]
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president trump: we have all violencetragic rise in and crimes in many of our we'veantaged communities, seen the unbearable horror of baltimore meings in and chicago that have cut short and so many beautiful, beautiful dreams. host: jeff pegues, you are listening to the president yesterday, what are you thinking he's making these comments? guest: well, i think if you're a olice officer and you're hearing that, that is the message that you want to hear from the president of the united states. however, how is that message received in inner city where they view police tactics a certain way and always bearing down on these communities, with tough tactics to drive down
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crime, but what has happened and about this in "black and a wedge has driven between police. i don't know if there is a people who feel police officers, according to one person i spoke with in the like livestock. for them.of respect is there a message there for nner city communities who are trying to heal the devicive conflict between blue." and host: want to hear your usughts, jeff pegues is with for 25 minutes or so. phone lines split by regional line. eastern or central time zone, it is 202-748-8000. the mountain or pacific region, 202-748-8001. law enforcement
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in this segment of "washington journal," 202-748-8002. we'll get right to the calls. bruce waiting detroit, itch itch. good morning. caller: good morning, how are morning? host: doing well. caller: i'm a native detroiter and retired child abuse investigator. one of the things i'm seeing here in detroit is lack of for the black community by the police departments in area. and it has -- i have to agree it has guest here, created a huge wedge in the relations.unity what i would like to know, what efforts do you think is order to crack this barrier that seems to be getting nowadays?d bigger guest: well, i think it is going things a combination of and i don't think there is any one fix, but what i've learned talking to people on both
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sides is that it has to start regaining respect from both sides, right? this is a community issue here have you to have people in the community willing to reach out to police officers and vice versa, because until you do hat, you can't break down the animosity, you can't diminish botht of animosity between sides and hard feelings between both sides, that is something i talk about in the book. you also have to have police departments that are increasing transparency, r that is important because people in the w, community want to know that the them.e are there to serve right? host: finish your thought. guest: they want to know that to police officers are there help them, to serve them, to them.t and serve but there is so much bad blood in some of the communities and fuelled by what people
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see on t.v. every night and what olice officers see on t.v., as well, that you have so many hard feelings in the communities. to go back to the basics. i talk about this in the book, almost like therapy. to acknowledge that there is a problem here, right? there are some people in the in the police -- in policing that don't want to there edge a problem and is history of distrust. until you admit that, you can't do a move forward and better job of addressing the concerns of not only people in community, but also police. host: one federal official you talk about in the book was talk candidly about it is james comey, former f.b.i. director. what do you think his departure from the head of the f.b.i. this effort? guest: good point you bring up. james comey is raent ral to what law enforcement has done over o. last three or four years this issue, he was speaking out
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on this issue at a time when the obama couldresident not and when eric holder could loretta lynch, every time they would bring up this issue, for would be criticized whatever reason and so you'll see in the book that james comey took the lead on this issue. e was able to speak to both sides in such a way there was understanding and so he really up the mantel and he didn't have to do it. talked to his aides, who told me he made some speeches weighing in on the issue because deeply mething he felt about. host: who picks up the mantel now that he's gone? guest: good question. saw the speech from the president, the question for this administration, who has a essage that can appeal to people in the community within this administration? sessions, is it president trump himself? seen talking to
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both sides, it is good you are supporting police officers and do, who is going to speak to people in the community when something happen? reassure them it will be okay and is there a figure in this administration that will be do that. host: you don't think there is a go-to person right now for that? don't think we have seen it. early on in the administration, seen don't think we have it. host: oscar, good morning. you are on with jeff pegues. caller: good morning, everyone. i grew up in washington, d.c., i live in northern virginia. eight boysthe number club in uptown dc near cathedral and i remember mreem wh-- policemen, when i was a kid. i went to high school in northeast. were e police officers part of the community. they worked in the boys club, they were part of the number boys club and other boys club in the city. could see black and
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white, you could see latinos, s, there was a push for hiring more hispanic officers. and i notice cronyism, specially in the midwest, i notice you don't see black and white officers in the same the inner see it in cities, but you don't see it dixon. the mason anywhere you go, it is so-and-so's brother or cousin a we should have always kept affirmative action, make sure veryone hired out of 10 officers, at least one should have been inner city and should have been raised or lived in the inner city. host: jeff pegues. guest: i know there are police the country cross that are trying to increase diversity in the ranks because part of the t is issue in bridging the divide between black and blue. is easier said than
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done because if you see the t.v., there are people in the black community who they this.want to be a part of why would they? you know, there is so much attention on policing these days lot is negative, unfortunately. question of a increasing diversity, which police departments are trying to not the only s issue at play here. it's not about -- not only about diversity, you have to have the right policy necessary place that encourage the right type of policing and i know there are a lot of police departments moving in that direction right now. going to take time. as it will take time to replenish the ranks. police departments across the country having a hard ime finding recruits and, you know, it may be because of any number of reasons that we're overseas.ith conflicts a lot of best and brightest are joining the military instead of force.olice
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this is something that police epartments across the country are grappling with, increasing the numbers in rank and file. it is ty numbers, but easier said than done. host: special line for law enforcement. illinois. line in good morning. caller: good morning. r. jeff pegues, wonderful to talk to you. i'm just curious what your experience was when it come to of police?ning i was in dispatch operator, of and file law enforcement, but part of the police department. thing that i've found is that the police, when they are rained, they're always assumption is their life is in danger. parse and to be the parcel of training. of course when you hire nothing, is hammers, all they see nothing, but nails. i would be curious what you found in your research. very bye. guest: that is part of the issue here, as well. i know i keep saying that.
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problema really complex and i was fortunate enough to innovatorsome of the in policing across the country ramsey is in that he's written a forward for this book. i know that training is a big this, look at the 21st century policing report that came from the white house, administration, training is a big part of that. then you have justice department investigations across the country and the common thread and is a lack of training how to put in policies that police the training of officers. host: what happens to that task orce from the end of the obama administration during the trump administration? guest: another good question. people who say what is important is what is happening you have police chiefs across
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the country who realize they ave to make changes, this is about life and death on both sides. they are moving ahead with changes, no matter what the government says, i've had police chiefs across the going say that they are to continue with some of these a big and training is part of that. part of the problem across the country, people have been asked so much more than the original mission, right? they are runing from call to call. there are fewer opportunities for training. but a lot of these a lot of ions and these task force recommendations increased ls for training. host: the caller asked about the pew research center survey, they did some from en and women departments around the country, a report came out earlier this year. 86% of officers say fatal encounter between police and blacks have made harder.
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