tv Washington Journal Charles Johnson Discusses the Cost of Combating ISIS CSPAN August 7, 2017 8:56am-9:31am EDT
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up u.s. government to keep the battle against isis. what is it saying? uest: on this special publication we identify nine key issues that we think need by the administration and congress. this report basically is attention to aw what we have identified the past two years of work we have done folks need to nk pay attention. among them is looking after the iraqi security forces and money spent on air in iraq and averages and iraq and oversight of humanitarian assistance because here's a serious crisis in isis. and disrupt host: $21 billion. however back does that take us? that goes back to 2014. estimate from 2014 to
2016. ost: is that high or low or expected? guest: $21 billion in taxpayer that is a lot less than what we have spent in averages past.raq in the host: let's break it down before we start taking phone calls. the 2 (100) 000-0000 it is broken up like this. 10.9 from the pentagon for the purpose counter isis operations. by the state department and u.s. aid on humanitarian assistance. that goes to syrians and other impacted by the syrian. billion in u.s. aid on humanitarian assistance to and another $2.4 billion by the state department and u.s. aid to iraq, jordan, lebanon. what else should we know about the numbers? those numbers are just numbers that congress
obligated d and u.s. funds for. there is additional money in the pipeline weren't you can see is the emphasis in security. he u.s. has taken an approach to combat terrorism and continues in that direction. i think it is important to know we need oversight and that publication tohe have congress have oversight and ew administration which has te tend tended to pay attention to the going and howy is effective the programs are and o help bring awareness to the american people. host: the phone numbers are on he bottom of the screen for charles johnson. we look forward to getting your calls for our guest charles john trade and al affairs managing director at the g.a.o.
oversight rolehe that you are involved in. how often do reports like there out? guest: we have done over the last decade we have issued a series. to 2009 when we issued one on the efforts in afghanistan and iraq and food assistance and more recently we have issued a couple this year. this is a public version of a classified report on the subject on d.o.d. and we have one forthcoming on daggett security issues. do them every time there is a change of administration.
associated with that, that is not under our defense team. primarily focused on the -- the number would be largely than the military operations. host: thanks for further breaking it down. get to calls with charles johnson, talking about $21 fight. spent on the isis steve, from anaheim, california, republican. there. caller: hi, how are you? a ically what i was watching segment here recently that was talking about the true cost of the war. set to a trillion dollars. guest, body ur esides isis, military spending and we saw a segment earlier about taxes and about the tax cuts. now during the vietnam war, it million, to give you an
idea how long it took the government to pay that off, it clinton we got rid of the debt. i'll wait for your comment. okay, this report focus syria, rts in iraq and and to counter isis, there is larger work over time we haven't of the war tal cost combating terrorism. on last time we reported that was roughly five or six ears ago, you are right, the figure would be exceeding 20 million. efforts to port our undertake military operation with the cost of that. gain, we're just focus on the efforts to train capacity. patrick, democratic morning.ood caller: good morning, gentlemen. how are you both? i'm good. the really shocking numbers, the illegitimacy, of american tax dollars
we're witnessing, particularly when you come from a family at of the unitedvels states military. my father was the former my ctor of the osi, and brother just retired as perations director for team six. we have been in a 30-year we aretured war and what itnessing is a -- is the essential turning in of treasury to an atm machine. my father had a saying, one of things that the military does is -- the first runway, ey do, build a the second thing they do, they officer's club. illegitimacy and of the war couldn't be more whensized when you look at sis came into iraq with the
backing of the saudi arabian overnment. the convoy was two miles long. the united states government was part of this. are completely manufactured, they have no whatsoever, we are creating nothing, but mayhem, from classified documents hillary clinton and i'm a democrat, show that these are completely il illegitimate. we are going after adversaries arabian regime. this has nothing to do with american security, nothing more gigantic money grab and global ion of all democracy. host: mr. johnson. guest: that is not something we report, we look at oversight over billions of providing to combat isis. we didn't look at the other issues you point out. is your team to
put this research together? guest: in this effort, we homelanda lot of team, security, focus on those particular areas, the defense team, nd international roughly i think 11 different roducts resulted in 14 recommendations, somewhere 15 to period. over -- host: washington examiner, gao ays 21 billion spent on fighting isis and when you look at the story, it says in rare for the federal government war on isis, sweeping 21.1 t price tag of billion, more than 2017 budget or the state of connecticut, while it appears isis is cornered, certainly on the run, government lacks strategy to fight extremism that sis is part of and most threaten the u.s. homeland. tell us more about that piece of it. in our reportally didn't note the u.s. line of strategy. is we do point out, there
counter isis strategy developing took over fter isis iraq, when the iraqi army sort disbanded as the threat of isis during that time period. in 2014, the - fforts -- [indiscernible] safe haven, inteleon for inviter necessary particular, providing assistance and prote protecting the home land. those are among the efforts. there is specific strategy, there is action plans that are underway that were developed by administration. ost: back to calls, chuck from st. augustine , charles johnson of the government accountability office. hey there. caller: good morning. just question like we spent 1%
n foreign aide, okay, in iraq and afghanistan, i think over we spent overears trillion dollars on nation building. how is nation building documented? i mean, is that not foreign aide? spent better at home? guest: we do provide assistance iraq and syria, talking about 2 billion, small amount of dollars, 2 billion of the state department has done to some infrastructure, restabilize iraq in particular and help the iraqi government. of the funding in iraq is being funded by the government itself. we offer some assistance to sort regenerate the roads that
have been destroyed and get up and running again. the bulk is funded by the iraqi government, not so much in syria, that situation has ongoing conflict, as is the situation in iraq, we don't have government we're working with in syria. yes, the u.s. has been involved as part pment systems of the government approach, globally and accessing terrorism nd this has been a long-standing strategy dating back to just post-9/11. in florida, here, brian, republican caller, hi there. morning.ood i was wanting to talk about the aspect, everyone says you have a stronger military safer.ou're going to be well, when the army has their there with the stuff on, it costs more money, when they better development of -- we'll call them spies working throughout, that costs money. costs money.
there is no way to protect from distance without having the things in there to put line, military strength, your your foreign people lso being rate and then people telling you things and they all cost money. money well say it's spent -- uest: we don't draw that conclusion, but what we do highlight is why there is a need oversight and accountability billion of dollars -- in terms of money spent, as our report notes, there are results, results have successes and e recaption of mosul, for example, been challenges. host: twitter wants to know how much you spent on the report to the price tag of 21 billion? guest: less than 21 billion, ki you that.
significantly less than that, i don't have a figure to give you. recap report of the 11 different products in a eport that is intended to identify emerging issues. i would guarantee you it is a billion, han 21 significantly less. host: pete in chicago writes the endless dream, just like that. from baltimore now, independent caller. hello there. caller: good morning. good morning, sir. caller: so out of that $21 to combat isis, how much to hat was actually used eradicate any support for isis ground? host: something you could speak to charles johnson? guest: we don't have that breakdown. i would say all efforts we're talking about, i would take isistance out of that, which about 6 or 8 billion and say funding to deny
isis as safe haven and destroy prevent spread of isis in that region. that would be the answer i would give you, the bulk of the money isis and denying creating safe haven. host: democratic line, hi, jesse jesse. caller: hi. want to get in on this conversation. spending and anybody we are bout is -- spending money in south korea, missiles over there and they don't want them, we are protect hem there to -- h korea, and military with g money, i keep up
this stuff. [indiscernible] -- war ships and stuff, that is where i start voting for the comesrats because everyone want re, first thing they to do is dump money into the military. people around here, ain't got a in four years and probably other areas and it is being wasted.ey i could go on and on with this. keep up with this kind of stuff and nobody on air will mention about it. feel , that is the way i about it, the money being be -- should host: thanks for calling, jesse, let's hear from our guest, charles johnson. to t: jesse, we are here
elp ensure the oversight and accountability of u.s. dollars and to help with that oversight. good had a lot of cooperation from our agencies uch as state department d.o.d. to look at sufficient oversight. that is why we exist and we continue to look at issues globally, as well as domestic. gao.gov, see the report, and the effects, top for oversight, syria state of iraq and emerge, establish branches and attacks, the government working with international partners, the u.s. range of undertakes efforts to calculate groups, identified nine key issues that related to u.s. counter isis efforts, you can see the issues here as dealing with our guest charles johnson mentioned. nation work with
international partners? guest: yeah, well, that is the success is to n. ge our international global correlation to counter isis that exists and that involves about 70 different countries, including the united states and four entities european union, the -- nato, for example, is as of that, that group, well as interpol, the police organization, it involves a global coalition to have some alliances.counter isis has spread across the globe the u.s. s something can't take on alone, we count on partners. host: 10 or 15 minutes left, more with our guest. ony from district heights, maryland, independent caller. tony, what is on your mind?
caller: well, i got a lot on the subject. me, you're not doing your job. thatthing you just made up isis across the globe or whatever similar to that, you just now.that up let me tell you this, there is o evidence that isis even exists, so we're spending $21 over something that doesn't exist. how come isis is not in china or russia or any other country that problems if we went to war with them. these people are nothing more than people that don't want us their country that, is all they are. we can label them what we want. al qaeda?ned to al qaeda does not exist. terrorism is a business, just is. war so to answer the question, you're spending 21 billion too was doing his job, you would understand that. host: let's get a response from
guest. guest: as i mentioned, we're sight sir. over it was not us or the government labeled isis, it was al islamic state and of iran and syria. our job is to give oversight terms.s. number necessary of the amount of money and mount of assistance to counter the threats that exist globally, that's the only comment i can really give you, sir. park, to brian, in tacoma dc area, independent caller. hi there. caller: hi. how you doing? good, good. i want to ask your guest a couple questions. he, does he recognize -- did know how many private companies, harken back and i haliburton, how
many private corporations and going es are 21 billion to -- i remember we were paying thousands of dollars for soldiers to do their laundry, to have a ping-pong table and how much of that money is actually spent on like s, bombs and stuff that, that -- are we paying for that also out of the 21 billion? the answer off the air. thank you you. host: thank you for calling. that we e 21 billion know, again, most security funding we talk about, training equipment of weapons to syrian opposition, as well as forces.ecurity that's basically weapons, masks, body gas armor, things of that nature, vehicles. money for humanitarian systems and yes, as noted that is being f provided through the united nongovernment
organizations, those are folks ho provide mandatory relief, health care, food assistance, is water, individuals who have been displaced as result of conflict in iraq and syria, displaced or lly refugees or neighboring countries such as lebanon, jordan.nd host: barney thomasville, north carolina, independent caller. hi there. kwaukt if this hasn't been toered, how much did it cost change the name of your agency from the general accounting government e accountability office and what did that accomplish? guest: well, i don't have a figure on the cost associated with that name change, i do note the name change was based on that we're agency of more accountants, we have accountants that work with our organization, we felt like it was a more appropriate name for what we do. sure there ismake
accountability over u.s. ensure r dollars and federal programs are running efficiently and that is more work that accounting we do. we do some accounting work, look related to accounting, of ncial accounting, a lot work is beyond that. host: let's get back on the ground. 6.5 billion, umanitarian aide, in this effort, who is the u.s. relying -- make sure you machine humanitarian aide gets in the of the right people? guest: we found there hasn't to ensure there is progress associated with is nce, to make sure relief given to individuals it is ntended to go to and not substitute with other types of things we didn't want done in that particular area.
we are relying on -- there be monitor aining, field nothing place to ensure funds et where they are supposed to be, the individual population are. speaking of training, when it comes to iraqi forces, how many equipped s. trained, to this ponent, the numbers are discuss d, i can't that. i can say we have some success in improving the capability 50% of the iraqi military brigades have improved apability to take on defensive operations. the same time, we intend to reacha certain number and intend 0% of what we to. something i can't discuss publicly. isis financing, what do you know about where it gets monfreat this point? historically a chain of revenue school and i think the success with air
strikes of decimating isis or reach tanker trucks. sis has other means of gathering finance, kidnapping local som and charging population taxes and all, the to. is involved in an effort disrupt isis ability to gather financials. calls, baltimore, thomas is on the call, independent caller. thomas. caller: thank you for taking my call. now we're talking about a lot of not here today, we're really talking about dollars, are we? lawful ot talking about money, we're talking about currency. wouldn't that be right, sir? talking 21 billion u.s. dollars in terms of the provided.of the funds host: thomas, keep going. caller: definition of dollar exchange from whatever is -- founders, we're dealing reserve notes that
are basically higher use, which iou nothing if the was accountable, by way, i will let you with this, what kind of accounting do do, just general accounting or -- accounting? what we account suggest really need, i would like tou tell the audience and myself how o they compare, do you do more -- or more general accounting? thank you. uest: we actually do general accounting. we do have a forensic unit that does investigations, as well, as program evaluation, we have a variety of work at gao. are other entities, the generals and others that are the ved in oversight, like gao. bob from oxford, pennsylvania, good morning, bob. morning, and thanks for c-span, one of the best shows on television.
fun that he fellow was talking bout accounting because i was watching an old show from bishol did accounting and kill -- it cost to nappolian war it costs -- to kill a person. war i cost $21,000 to kill a person. $200,000 ar ii, up to to kill a person. war, 1 million dollars per hour to kill a person. a great job, i guess we're keeping the peace by killing all these people, but very, very costly and he wasn't even talking about the it, just part of talking about the cost of it. don't care, 350 million people
cannot pay these kind of prices, is just my comment. mr. johnson. a figure onn't have how much it costs to kill a person, that is something we address in the report. what do you hope congress does with this information? when it receives the reports, do sense of what kind of process they go to? nalyze it, figure out how it might impact policy planning? mean, what has happened, we do special like congress, you know, that leads to additional versight work and hearings, on behalf of congress and inquiries involved in cies the efforts. i think it brings awareness, the biggest thing. going forwardthat with it, additional oversight on behalf of the congress, as well
and oversight community, the general's office -- others, from iowa.e phone caller: good morning, charles. are on the democratic line, to let the callers know. caller: okay. seems like mment, you might have a thankless job you for t to thank appears this morning. guest: you're welcome. isn't so question much about isis, but we have to take responsibility for a responsibility for what we created by going destabilizing the ountry. and so what my question is on broader spectrum, incurred by usas and the o iraq
on blican posterity imposed the obama presidency, are there numbers of studies or that would show generally how it has hurt the economy's growth in the last six or eight years and i'll let somebody else have a chance. guest: randy, that is something at, impactreally look on the u.s. economy, unfortunately, i don't have that information to share. host: one last call from fort lauderdale, is it amele? yes, amele speaking. good morning, thank you for this. there talking about my question, have you ever thought about approaching congress and asking them to cut own salaries and firing some of their assistant? congressmen have over five assistants, i mean, there is so washington,asted in and we should be protecting our soldiers.
they are fighting murderers, people are shooting them. focused on making sure they have everything they eed and taking monfrecongress, splurging money. what congress is doing with their own money. i read some have 26 assistants time f. that is true, so much waste, give the money to our soldiers. thanks for calling, comments? guest: our last caller there. know what else should we about the report, what else do you want to tell us about isis? we spent a lot of time talking about the dmroeb at threat of isis. want to note this report includes information on needs to homeland.ur we cover quite a bit in this report, take a look at it, it the u.s. has ts undertaken to protect the homeland in the united states.
gao.gov, you can look at the report for yourself. host: our guest has been charles johnson, international affair necessary trade, managing at the government office.able guest: appreciate it. host: wound out this monday edition of "washington journal" taking your calls. you can talk about any topic you'd like and here are the before we take a short break, republicans, 202-748-8001. democrats, 202-748-8000. independents, your number is 202-748-8002. see you right back here in a couple minutes. unfoldsan, where history daily. in 1979, c-span was created by merica's cable television
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