tv PLO Ambassador Husam Zomlot CSPAN February 2, 2018 2:15am-3:45am EST
winter meeting. we will hear from the chair of the council of economic advisers about the corporate tax rate, speaking at georgetown law school. eastern,2 at 7:00 p.m. rose mcgowan will be talking about her new book and about her experiences working in the entertainment industry. that is live tomorrow on c-span2. next, the ambassador for the palestine liberation organization talking about relations with the u.s.. >> good afternoon, everybody. thank you for joining us today. if we can silence all cell phones, especially with the
television crews here. i am the executive director here at the jerusalem fund and the palestine center. it is a pleasure to welcome you all here today, including everyone watching online. it is also an honor to introduce and welcome our distinguished , whoer, the ambassador will be speaking about the latest developments and next steps for palestinians on the political and diplomatic front. hisident trump announced decision to recognize jerusalem as the undivided capital of israel, along with plans to move at the u.s. embassy into jerusalem. this move has severe implications for future peace negotiations, and for any u.s. role in such talks.
the trump administration also made the unprecedented step of withholding millions of dollars of humanitarian aid for political reasons. in light of these decisions, the ambassador will speak about the latest developments taking place and a new palestinian strategy for the future. and little bit about the servesdor, he currently as the head of the general plogation of the yellow -- to the united states. he was previously ambassador at large for the palestinian presidency. he serves as director of the four late -- foreign relations commission. he holds a phd in economics from
the university of london. hey held at teaching and research positions at harvard university and the university of london. he worked as an economist for the united nations and economic researcher for the school of economics. he is also married and has two children. the ambassador will speak for 30-40 minutes, after which will have a question and answer section. for the online audience, you can ask questions through twitter. without further do, please join me in giving a worm welcome to the ambassador. [applause] thank you very much.
todayyou all for coming and attending this event. it is a testament to how much you care about the issue of palestine, the issue of justice. i see many friends in this room. personallymost honor to be today at the jerusalem fund. the privilege to speak at the institution. both highly respected academics pave the way for the palestinian-american experience by providing a framework for dancing the palestinian -- advancing the palestinian rights in the u.s. and civil society. it is important to say, to take
this opportunity, the jerusalem fund is a palestinian icon of perseverance. knowre a people that too well the price of being expelled from our homeland. this has kept us strong and together for all of these years. i take this opportunity on behalf of the people and leadership of palestine, to thank you for the many years of service and standing firm for the rights of the palestinian people in the united states of america. [applause] i know you're also interested in 's remarks tomp recognize jerusalem as israel's
capital and the decision to move the embassy into jerusalem. this is have several critical developments in the political sphere. there was a lot of commotion, i have to say, on what will happen next. i wanted to clarify some key points where we stand at this point in time. and what we think about the options in front of us. this is not just about what has happened, this is also about what should happen, and what might happen in the future. i'm certain that most of you would want to know more about where we going, and where we stand today, and how do we intend to reach the destination. what is crucial for us at this that, no matter
what is our strategy, our next step, we must base these steps clear,ry rooted, foundations and principles, pillars, so we are not lost on our journey. it is crucial that from the very beginning, we outline our commitments. that should shape and inspire our strategy. as we all care about palestine and the region and want a bright future for all of the people of the region, we may differ, particularly palestinians among ourselves, which is legitimate. we may differ on the route, the roads, the means, the tools. we definitely do not differ on
our objectives. we are united there. it is important, at this point in time, to call a spade a spade. we know the situation the way it is. not the way we wish it to be. a doctor does not treat cancer by diagnosing get or pretending it is the flu. i happen to have a flu, so bear with my voice. it is human nature to be afraid of the unknown. all of us get to be concerned about the lack of clarity. especially in these times of uncertainty. we do not like not knowing and we do not like not having control. we do not like to feel inadequate.
will reach and achieve our goals. cautious, but fearless about the future. i want to reiterate our positions. the palestinian position, the position of the people under the leadership of palestine. i want to make sure that what i say is taken with that backdrop or frame of reference. number one, we are committed to international law. we are committed to international legitimacy. we do not do this out of a need to curry favor. we have a solid conviction. the importance of respecting and maintaining an international order. no matter how difficult and
delicate that order may seem at times, it is definitely not in its best shape as we speak right now. in a world that is being ever more interconnected, and interdependent, isolationism becomes a recipe for anarchy. we are the people of palestine under the leadership of palestine. we are for internationalism. we are for multilateralism. for us international law, international consensus, international resolutions mean the following three principles, as far as palestine is concerned. the first principle is that israel's occupation that began
in 1967 of palestinian territory must end. that is included clearly in the u.n. security council resolution. emphasizing all of these resolutions, emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war. international law is clear cut. clear. second principle, as far as the international side of the story, establishing a sovereign and independent state of palestine on this liberated territory, including east jerusalem as the capital of the state of palestine.
this is not what we say, this is what the successive international resolutions, including the u.s. co-sponsoring and voting for them. [applause] the third principle, resolving the issue of palestinian refugees. more than 6 million of them included, i was born a refugee. our president included. the issue of refugees is the origin of the palestinian cause. it is the heart of the matter. guess what, there is also clarity in international law about the issue of refugees, international responsibility, and the way to resolve it. we are no exception.
there are so many other issues, other countries that have faced issues of refugees. kosova, recently. we also want to consider the international standards when it comes to the issues of refugees. we accept and recognize and adhere to international legitimacy. not only by word but by deed. we have done our part. in 1998, the declared an independent state of palestine. that was following international legitimacy. that was implementing international legitimacy. 1993, formallyin the state of israel.
however, we did not recognize an unidentified israel. which since 1967, it did not stop for a day expanding its illegal colonial expansion deep into the occupied territory. the question is not, when will there be international legitimacy? more than 83 international resolutions on palestine, on the conflict, 83 resolutions unimplemented. more than 700 u.s. general assembly resolutions unimplemented. the question is, when will these be implemented, then peace will
prevail. let us be absolutely crystal clear. the two state solution was never a negotiation. we did not accept international resolutions to negotiate the principles of these resolutions. we accepted international resolutions for implementation of international law. it was never up for further compromise. we would never negotiate ending occupation, or the principle of establishing a sovereign state of palestine. we were looking for mechanisms and timetables for implementation. our acceptance of international resolutions was never a palestinian demand. it was a palestinian concession.
if the international community 78% wouldconceding deliver peace, --. the second commitment of us after international law is our commitment to nonviolence. we believe our cause is just. anddemands are reasonable our time has come. popular resistance, mass movement, is what we are adopting. it is not a coincidence that we have palestinian icons. it is not a coincidence that many of the leaders of the popular resistance have been
rounded into israeli jails over the past few years. you have seen that dignified mass protests, mass prayer in jerusalem a few months ago. our mindsets and culture, our decision-making processes, all in this arena. it is crucial that we engage. we retain the moral high ground. we engage the entire nation of palestine in mass, peaceful protest. it is also in the nonviolence to right and obligation revert to international and political legal system. revert to that, to
all of the international organs, political and legal. it is not a revenge. we are not joining the mafia. we are joining the u.n.. . our ability to resist using international mechanisms is a right and an obligation. we will not let go of this process. our third commitment, with all of the difficulties, is the democratic process. to build our state institutions as well. we will not let go of us being on the ground. we will not. our skin has been there. we will not let go of our most important weapon, democracy. legitimacy over presentation.
people's sacred right to vote in their governments and representatives. given what has happened over the last years, this is difficult. but difficult as it is, it is not a choice for us destiny.ans, it is a we cannot but revert to the people of palestine. know that the reconciliation process has been slower than expected. since the recent agreement. sometimes, national processes need time. especially when the issues are big. they are crucial, deep. sometimes taking time is not a bad indicator. it might be a good indicator. we are delving deep. we are not rushing for the sake of striking a deal.
for every palestinian, we know without our unity, we can disagree. without our unity as a political entity, our situation would be much more difficult. there was one agreement in cairo several months ago between all of the palestinian political factions. that agreement was to hold elections at the end of this year. happen andhis will we will all converge in that direction. believe you me, with all of the difficulties we face, our commitment to a democratic political system must be unwavering. we cannot face the challenges if we do not have the power of the people and representing them. let me move very quickly to the sixth of december 2017. the announcement by president
trump. that sudden and unilateral announcement. which in our opinion has violated three major commitments. the first is the u.s. long-held policy. since president truman, until the sixth of december 2017. the u.s. policy has been very clear. the ending of occupation. it is with always considering the occupation to be illegal. and the settlement building to be illegal. turn on long-held u.s. policy. the second violation is of president trump himself. his promise. since we started the discussion with this administration, we're
saying it is important to return to the long-held u.s. policy. about the international contours. they would tell us that they do not want to impose anything on any party. they would tell us that they do not want to dictate, they want the two sides to decide. so you promised that and then you start taking one issue after another. the core of all issues, the mother of all issues. jerusalem, and later on refugees. it is not a financial transaction. the third is not to preempt and predetermine the outcome of negotiations. if you remember what the president trump said in davos,
only last week, that jerusalem is the most difficult issue he has faced. he is right, it is the most difficult issue, because for us, it is the sticking point. that is why it is the most difficult issue. no state of palestine without east jerusalem as its capital. jerusalem is not just a city it is our identity. it is our compass. it is our national hope. in the historic sense and the religious sense and the cultural sense. it is even our help for medical services and education. jerusalem is not a city we is a city welem own. it is not a claim from above. it is a claim from below, from the ground, from the roots, from the hundreds of thousands of palestinians in jerusalem. every shot, every church, every mosque.
there are four things that president trump mentioned in davos. the first is taking jerusalem off the table. well, we have said this and we say it again today. president trump has taken the table off altogether. no palestinian will sit on that table, no palestinian. i want to see any other leader who can look us in the eye and say they represent the people of palestine. i want to see any other leader
who says that they can sit at such a table. the palestinian people might not be the strongest of nations. we know our rights. we know the limits of diplomacy. we know exactly when to say no. we are the only agency that represents palestine. if you want to search somewhere else, good luck. the keys to peace are with the people of palestine. and with the leadership of palestine. no matter where else you are going to look, no matter how many plots and conspiracies you are going to employ. the second thing that was mentioned by president trump is that we walked away from negotiations. what negotiations? what negotiations we have walked from?
since we engaged president trump, we have been saying that we are ready. this is an opportunity. there was never an offer of negotiations. the was never an offer of engagement. there was no plan to start. this is a movie we have seen many times. it is boring. the palestinians walked away from negotiations. we have been on the table for 26 years. i do not think there have been any issue that have been negotiated more than our issue. it suffers from a syndrome of over negotiation. too much negotiation. we did not, mr. president, walk away from negotiations.
it is your nation that has walked away from the table. there will not be any table without the key issues. if the administration that took the chair and left the room altogether. we are here. we have gone nowhere. we have left nothing. the third thing he mentioned is that the palestinians have been disrespectful. we have been respectful. we have respected our own people. self respect for us comes first.
the palestinian people first. we have a vivid nation, very active nation, rooted, diverse. it is the people of palestine that we are answerable to. nobody else. the second, we have respected the international concern. by refusing these terms. the third respect we have done is to the u.s. itself. to the u.s. long-held policy and to the majority of the american people who, according to all polls, have been against the jerusalem decision and announcement. lastly, that funding will be cut.
the u.s. funding of foreign aid to palestine. let me say this. u.s. funding that has been there for so many years, we appreciate every penny, every dollar. but that funding was not really a gift. that funding was a part of a u.s. vision, a u.s. commitment, a u.s. interest, and part of international and u.s. obligation. it makes sense that the u.s. finds its own vision of building two states. the u.s. has invested into the infrastructure of peace. we appreciate it. financial pressure does not work, especially when it comes to people like us.
it doesn't work. it has been tried before. it did not work. it will not work this time. if it does anything, it adds to our self pride. resilience, if you may. political agendas cannot be implemented by means of political pressure, weaponize ing aid, weaponizing financial assistance, it does not work. denying people's education and health care. i was educated at that school.
he has really been able to turn a catastrophic situation into a less catastrophic situation. it has given people like me, children, the opportunity and platform to be educated and lead a different future. but please go back to the remarks and you will find the actual this of this vicious attack. he thinks that by dismantling us, the issue of refugees will vanish. but it doesacy, exist in his head. i have news to netanyahu. whether honor exists or not, the
lives of millions of palestinian refugees. we are there to sustain their living until the rights are sustained. the second, our commitment is firm and the international community's commitment is firm. under no circumstances will fail to uphold its own responsibilities. i saw representatives in our office a couple of days ago, the the assurance that i received is
that the commitment will be for sure. ok. we are here today. let us go back to the original statement by president trump. his first meeting with prime minister netanyahu in february. he said, i am happy with whatever the two sides are happy with. we agree with him, we agree with president trump. there are only two possible solutions, he is right. the first option has been endorsed by the international community. or, one state that is a gala n egalitarian, democratic, and
that gives full equal rights for all of its citizens, regardless of their color or creed or religion or language. full equal rights in the historic land of palestine. that is the second option. president trump is right. we, now, the people and the leadership, are with the two state solution on the 1967 border. we are with it for implementation, not for negotiation. we are with it because we believe it is possible. knowing that in israel, it is a nonstarter, the idea of a one state. we are still with it. however, we realize that netanyahu's government actively
six to destroyed not only the present possibility of a two state solution on the 1967 borders but also the future discussion of the solution altogether. his government is involved in removing the chance of the two systems. how else would you interpret the ruling party's decision a few weeks ago to annex the west bank? themlse do we translate passing a law not to negotiate jerusalem unless 80 members vote ? how else do we explain that he has taken pride publicly that he is the first prime minister in israel in 20 years to build a
new settlement in the west bank? so proud of it. how else do you explain what he said two or three days ago when he went to open a new road in occupied territories? deep in the west bank. what did he say? he said, this road is part of the system of settler bypass roads that are building judea, which is the occupied west bank. it serves the resident settlers samaria and the residents of the state of
israel, linking the west bank to israel via a system of infrastructure and a system of roads. this is not a government that is rejecting the two-step solution by words, this is a government that is rejecting it by action every day. they are murdering the possibility, bearing a deep in the ground. it is not circumstantial evidence that we're talking about. it is unambiguous. people forget just not to focus only on the government, people forget that the israeli prime minister back then came kicking and screaming to the conference. he did not like it. only after president bush's senior threatened to they came kicking and screaming.
then that, said back and by the way he is netanyahu's mentor, he was saying i would have conducted negotiations on 10nomy -- autonomy for years, and in the meantime we would have reached half of a million settlers in the west bank. he was right on the number of that.rs, he even exceeded they did better. they stole more land than he expected. they colonized more than he expected 25 years ago, or 26 years ago. but he was wrong on the number of years. it was not 10 years, they left
us and kept us in this process for 26 years, but with the same logic. palestinians walk out of negotiations while they were doing the real job, the real intention. they wanted to establish a process that was lasting process, not lasting peace. they created a process that was actually designed to prevent that. as far as we are concerned, the two state solution and the terms of the two state solution are clear. areke to repeat this, they not up for negotiations, they are only up for implementation. sit at they to
table. this is not the exception, this is the role, for all of the conflict, we were made the exception. kosova requires multilateralism, south africa requires multilateralism, iran and the iranian deal requires multilateralism, except you. only the two sides can resolve the issue. one side is clear about their intention. when president trump said that we are fine with the two state we wanted, we demand it, we endorse it. effectively it gives the veto
power to the party that is unwilling. no one can love peace more than the two sides, said who? i think the audience in the room would love peace as much as we do. the whole idea is just to leave the two sides with this asymmetry of power in one room. it is not a process of rights, but a process of data. not a process of rights, but a process of might. we are done with that. generation, my generation. enough. enough. here in the palestine center, enough! our rights are not up for sale, our principles are in line with
, and in thel law hearts of millions of our people. very remember, this is a rooted nation, a very proud nation. everything started there, don't blame us for that. we exported to you almost all profit. is indest human community jericho. ok, so if this is the situation for the two state solution, the first is that the current israeli government, all the way back to shamir. not just to blame at the right wing in israel. they are very clear.
all these parties are very clear, they say what is yours -- they say what is mine is yours, and what yours -- is yours is mine. since we started the madrid peace process, starting from what is mine is mine and what is yours is negotiable. we will say and negotiate what is yours. talked about never the 1967 formula as a formula for implementation, but a formula as a starting point for grabbing more. unacceptable, for a nation that has been able to concede its own land for the sake of peace. it is unacceptable to consider further compromises.
it will not happen. ae 1967 formula is not just palestinian peace agenda, it is now a national equilibrium. nobody can touch it. the given that, and given clarity of the current administration, that they are not going to endorse the two state given the situation president trump mentioned one thing. this is interesting, really interesting and important. i which the u.s. had mentioned this before our 1988 declaration because that would have informed our decision. before we accept international legitimacy our platform was one
democratic state. remember? now, one state for all of the citizens with equal rights. palestinians accepted the two state solution because the international community was oriented around that idea. if this administration has ideas , wehe one state solution hearing, anddt to then we want rights like everyone else. impartial about how we get there. it is not only about the journey, but the destination. ionever, if one state solut is discussed as an apartheid or apartheid in disguise, in one form or another, it will be rejected.
must save our efforts and not repeat history again. this has been tried. it has been tried before and it came to a crashing defeat. say mandela in africa or martin luther king during the civil rights movement. it is a very simple solution. either we all have equal rights or none of us have rights. rights are not divided. you cannot divide rights or select them. that is called apartheid. are fully human. fully human. right? not 3/5. [laughter] human.
we are fully human. today, by the way, marks the first day of the black history month in the u.s. let us remember. when you hear somebody arguing, we will give the palestinians an a-. nothing will be minus about us. we need the full sovereignty of the full land of 1967, or the full, equal rights of the linda palestine. for every citizen. accept a system that is there to privilege one group over another. we have lived that and experience that enough. know, i know there will be an interesting discussion and i will not go on.
but let me try to conclude by the israeli government is absolutely delusional if it thinks that the transactional approach to the international community, to the issue of negotiations, to the issue of the arab world will take us anywhere. to any solution. delusionale also about where the moral article of history has been. not want to see, or they are just blocking what is happening. netanyahu can speak of the promise, but do you think he can speak at the university in california or wisconsin? no. of history bends
towards justice. [applause] husam: and let me be clear that we do not want to end an injustice by creating another injustice. we do not. we have tasted the bitter taste of injustice. not wish to inflict injustice on anybody. we want a bright future for israeli kids as much as they want it for our own. our fates or worse are intertwined. and interconnected. our futures are. we know that. that is the fate of all our world that is smaller and more
interdependent every day. israel is not safer or more prosperous when it is inflicting indescribable pain and horror. on millions of people. it is not safe. that is a recipe for continued pain and suffering for both of our peoples. it has been around for a long time. this irresponsible living by the sword mentality mindset strategy will get us nowhere. it will not secure our future and will only destroy the basis of coexistence. israelifs wille listen to their better engines, rather than become politicians.
and i know they will ultimately. we definitely know they will ultimately. we are all the sons and daughters of abraham. we are. and the battle is not between those siblings, but between those who want to split the family and those in want to bring it together in peace and harmony and i believe now by numbers and by the solidarity of the international community and by the structure of change that is happening in america. more american people are for the side of the truth. on the campuses, we see it in the jewish community, the youth of the jewish community. we see it everywhere we go. the tide is going for us and the justice of palestine. i believe the ultimate goal of reaching peace and harmony in the land of palestine will be
achieved. thank you very much. [applause] >> thank you very much. in the interest of time, pleaase, i will open the floor to questions and answer. with the pure questions brief and to the point so everyone can get a chance. >> thank you. i have a very quick question for you. do you believe that the listing hamas head of the politburo on the terror list destroys the efforts conducted by the plo and pa? thank you. >> i guess we will take a few questions. >> thank you very much.
i am a diplomat. mr. ambassador, could you speak to the unintended consequences perhaps,ump's decision even some intended consequences, the organization of the islamic conference -- it has a different name now -- has declared that it supports east jerusalem as the capital of the state of israel. the european union does. russia even before mr. trump's statement said the same thing about east jerusalem being the capital of the state of palestine. his action has reinvigorated discussion about this and essentially made clear that the u.s. has abandoned its role as the lead player in the so-called peace process. maybe there will now be a genuine peace process. thank you. you.: thank isi understand that the plo
now for a unified state in palestine and israel together? not the two state solution. add aould like to question as well. among some of the decisions, there has been a threat to close the plo offices in washington. is there any development with that issue? well, about this, even plo that has been engaged in the peace process via the invitation of the u.s. since 1991, we signed the oslo agreement in the white house. we have entered several
bilateral agreements. the u.s. has been paying $700 million at one point to establish the state of palestine. israel has recognized formally the plo. with all that still inthe u.s. law, still the plo is a terrorist organization since 1987. it didn't change. no one has the guts or the courage or the wisdom to come and revisit that law. so, this is not just about justice. this is not just about the situation. the whole legislation and the u.s. congress and the whole way of looking at this needs to change, i have to say. i will stop with that. [indiscernible] husam: well, that is a function of the palestinian national requirements and affection of the palestinian people and the
demands. it is a function of the demands. it is a function of making sure that territorially also, it is one territorial entity. so, ending the division and governmentontrol of and making sure we have one government and we have one rule of law comes before any other consideration. the second question about the role of the international community, in particular russia and the european union and all those, they are still recognized by the borders. yes, that is why we are saying that now, the only alternative is a multilateral forum. these platforms you mentioned, including europe, china, russia, africa, latin america. these are very important players. you cannot exclude them. i will give you one example. europe has more trade with palestine. this is more than america.
the biggest trading partner of israel is the u.s.. the biggest donor to the palestinians is not america. europe. we are not talking about a small little difference. by far. the east shores of the u.s. or the west shores for that matter. we do not border them. we border europe. europe has a geopolitical interest because whatever happens hits the borders immediately. like what happened in syria with the issue of refugees. europe is crucial in being on the table. so is other major international countries. the problem was their exclusion in the first place. we hope to what would happen in the last few weeks would give that argument and that logic support. but there is no way for them to implement international solutions.
the third question about the one state solution. let me be very clear. we believe that the two state solution on the 1967 borders with all the international participation, this is the best way. we believe so. that youe sometimes cut the land to save your tribe, part of the land. given the dynamics in israel and given how israeli society has been involving, to think that netanyahu is closing what has happened in israel is a mistake. he is the outcome. and to think at this point in time the israeli society in general is going to be open to the discussion of the unitarian -- we don't want to only have
peace after 1000 years. i want my little girl to live in a different future and to experience difference. we are under the pressure of time to implement a possible vision for peace. however, what i was saying is, should this vision continue byng battered, buried netanyahu, should this vision continue to be not supported y andtly, straightforwardl absolutely by the u.s. ministration, then we want to explore the other options. we want to listen. what does president trump mean when he says one state? man-oneans, one vote in the historic land of palestine, we will listen. if he means a democratic system, constitutional arrangement, and a bill of rights that guarantees the right of every citizen, we will listen.
if he means that the people in that area will decide collectively on their state and capital and future and international relations, we will listen. we will listen. we are not against this form of solution. we were never against it. what we are against is the lack of a solution in the first place. 1988 that we must back that platform with the hope of align our international legitimacy, with the hope that it would implement the peace process. we wanted the international community to play the role of equalizer. to equalize the equation. saybut what i was trying to today very clearly, in the absence of a clear-cut solution,
with the two state solution, we are here, all ears and want to listen. we want to listen. that is the meaning. we want to listen. and we are not oriented toward one form of a solution. we are oriented toward a solution. about closing the plo office, only a few days ago i was israeli some i media leaked the discussions andeen president trump prime minister netanyahu in davos. it was mentioned that netanyahu asked for the closure of the plo office in washington. and there was news in september that was also in the israeli media that netanyahu endorsed a plan in his cabinet to closely -- to close the plo office in washington. it is all there. you can see the news.
head, hehe netanyahu's is after the liquidation of the palestine issue. he thinks by taking jerusalem off the table and then taking refugees off the table and then bringing down the flag from the heart of washington, he will simply achieve this. it is more than just an office. of thate symbolism office. it is what that office represents. it represents the collective political aspirations of a righteous people. it represents the decades of struggle to get an embassy and an office here in an official capacity. they do not even want to see the flag of palestine flying in the heart of washington. but i have news for mr. netanyahu. first of all, it is obvious that the united states and us have a very deep rooted relationship.
bilateral and independent of what israel wants. and there is sufficient will. you remember the administration has worked with the administration, now backtracking from the original decision in november, allowing us to continue here and allowing the bilateral relationship. this is a very important line of communication to continue. i have news for mr. netanyahu. if he keeps pressuring in that area, even if he manages to bring or close in office or an institution, this will be a palestinian home and there are thousands of palestinian homes and flags. [applause] husam: they are delusional. they are delusional if they think if you attack our office, the issue of 6 million refugees will just go away. they are delusional if they think an announcement about this by the u.s. president will
make this go away. i was in jerusalem a few weeks ago and i wanted to see what changed. nothing changed. the east is still occupied by military force. the people are still speaking out. they have a beautiful palestinian accident, by the way. -- beautiful palestinian accent, by the way. [laughter] husam: there are beautiful palestinian shops. if you want to smell the ancient smell of herbs. and it is becoming more delicious. people own jerusalem. they own it. nothing changed and nothing will change. i sure you. nothing will change. the only thing that changed is that mr. trump and the u.s. administration has decided willingly to walk out of the negotiations. out as being the mediator position they held.
nothing will change about our rights and the main line of protection for us, the main line of defense is the people. ok, with all due respect to international legitimacy and international law, you saw the people of the resume only a few months ago. toy when netanyahu dried elect -- let alone if somebody comes and told them, this is not your city. this is not your heritage. this is not your history. this is not your narrative. this is not your identity. >> my continue -- why then does the palestinian authority continue to cooperate on security and helping the police to silence the will of the palestinian people? distinguishave to between our ability to maintain
a nonviolent confrontation and what you just described as preventing people from administrating. no, people have been demonstrating. that happened in july in jerusalem. and it has happened so many othe r areas, t hrough all these wonderful examples. the latest worriers of popular resistance are all members of the pa. they have been imprisoned in the last few weeks. want thewe don't castle of blood. we don't want it. we are not bluffing when we say our commitment to a nonviolent way of engaging the occupation -- we mean it. yes, we mean it. someone say that you know, this is really being part of the
status quo. no, this is challenging the status quo. violence does not work. it does not help us. we are a nation with a calling and rights and international support. for too long this has been confused with no resistance. peacefulll on mass presentations. [indiscernible]h husam: check the names in the families. and see our support. but it is a very complicated matter. a nation must always look and find where it is strongest and we are not the strongest in the military arena. we are not. we're strongest in the moral arena. and the political arena. and the legal arena.
why do we always want to engage tyson in the boxing ring? he'll eat your ears! [laughter] husam: it is shielded and protected. blaming the palestinian leadership and authority. i'm not blaming the international system for giving this long exercised and practice of immunity, so we want to shield our people as well. we do not want to see our children being slaughtered with no accountability. slaughtered. today, as i was driving here, i disheartening news that people were losing their lives. there were many injuries and casualties. why? because there was some sort of
gas leak and an exclusion. that should have been averted. by inhumane treatment government for decades is because of a twisted mentality. not by the palestinian leadership of the people of palestine. a regime that has seen the complacency of so many. it's unbearable. a war after another, right in front of the eyes of the world. bombarding neighborhoods, bullying children, babies. we don't want to bring suffering on our people. we don't. human consider the soul, the human being, to be our most important asset. we don't want the palestinian heroes -- we want free and alive palestinian heroes. free and prosperous.
free and educated. you blame us for that, bring it on. >> thank you for your remarks. i'm peter, a retired state department and foreign service. and i'm also on the board. my question is, many american congressman, senators, visit israel. not many go on to the west bank. my question is, can you describe for us a little that your efforts to have members of congress give a clearer picture of what the situation is? husam: yes, this is an important question. you are right. the way the truth has been blocked here and the concerted efforts to actually make sure there is only one side of the coin presented, one side of the narrative and story -- and that
is not the israeli side. it's the minority who are the money and the organization. we haven't been doing as much in few arena in the last decades, but that is not because we don't want to see them. but things have been changing and him are the last few years, we have been receiving several new u.s. congress visitors. i myself received a several u.s. senators, congressmen, when i was the strategical advisor over the last year and the year before. ginning to happen. i do not want to reveal much, but there is no a concerted effort to send many. in the past, i think many of the commerce men and women would not find it easy.
in the past, some of them would consider it to be political suicide. now it is not. and i assure you one thing. things are changing. ,ver since i have been arrived i have been talking with congress almost on a daily basis , meeting all of your representatives. right across the board. republicans and democrats. the senior had the parties and what have you. things are changing. and the change of the public opinion in america is reaching and being translated to the commons. candidatesential were competing, somewhere supporting palestinian rights and guess what, they got no votes. without mentioning names. yes, even president trump himself. when he was going around during the republican race. he said in the heartland of the evangelical movement. -- israel was
number four or number five, which is a testament that things are changing. things are changing. and some but he asked me about closing the office here. this is the start of the israeli government realizing that things are changing. they wanted to abruptly shut it down. they see where the wheels of history are going. they see it. and they want to insert in the face of the growing palestinian and american relationship, in the face of the growing movement. but it is growing thanks to social media. and the alternatives to social media. you are right. we have our homework to do. we need to do it. know, i have been saying to our community all over, the palestinian community -- we believe this is our moment in america. is a change in the
public opinion. it is real. the second is the change among our own community. i. they know the culture, they are proud americans and proud of opinions. -- proud palestinians. amongird is the change the usual meant. -- members among the jewish community. many are saying, what is this?/ i encounter them on a daily basis. leaders, youth movements. so, this is a very important moment for us and we must seize it and that explains to you why they want to shop the offers and my they want to do that.
because they know that. they know where we are going. paceline will be presented to the palestinians and israelis regardless of whether they come to the table or not. how will they receive such a proposal? official was quoted saying that israelis and --estinians will receive whether or not the come to the table. how will they receive the proposal? >> will not receive any proposal that is less than the implementation that is less the metoo step promotion of the -- less -- next? >> thanks for your visit,
ambassador. se mentioned a lot of trump' provocations and palestinians have refused mike pence's visit. one might imagine the relationship between the palestinians and united states are breaking down. but what we saw three days ago with the group of activists disrupting the meeting in bethlehem, which is a nonviolent popular resistance, indicates continued engagement. the question i want to ask, which is really inspired by a refugee in bethlehem, is to what extent will the house in a government continue to coordinate with the united states and what aspects of the relations will stop? >> this is a very important
question. people realize we distinguish very clearly but in the bilateral relationship. the u.s. palestinian relationship has three dimensions. the first is the molecular relationship. the people of america and the people of houston. this has nothing -- of palestine. this has nothing to do with the peace process. the second is the bilateral relationship. third and the last dimension is the multilateral dimension. america's voting in the un security council or not voting or vetoing. these are the three dimensions. what we have been saying is that since the announcement, america has self-inflicted the role of mediator, the second dimension. america has disqualified now. you cannot be a mediator if you forgo the very rules and
principles that you have presented. single-handedly, unilaterally suddenly changed the rules of engagements and we are saying we are not fit to engage. we are not fit to engage under such rules of engagement. we are not. but we are absolutely adamantly strategically interested in the bilateral relationship and the multilateral relationship. america is america. this is a very important country. it's not only a superpower, but see thems not -- you all over. to the opportunities, even during the announcements in jerusalem, thousands march in the streets in chicago, new york, what have you. we also are thankful for the american support of the palestinian people and the institution.
and we will always want to maintain and not only maintain, downnstructions, to double on efforts in the bilateral sure that theng objective, what is the objective in pushing in all these directions? the first is printing president trump himself. if it was not perfect for the palestinians. the discussion is nothing they wanted. even discussing clinical issues. predetermine to the outcome before it even starts. so the logic now.
the third is to destroy the two systems and because jerusalem is the heart of them, the very heart of it. heart, theat the government does not want a solution. they see it as a defensive threats. the last factor, they want to abruptly destroy the growing bilateral relationship between palestine and the united states. here comes your question. we will not allow that to happen. we must invest more and more in our connection, outreach, relationship to the americans. government representatives, the congress and public. and we will. this is the plan. people have the right for, what you call it, nonviolent protests?
they do, but we have a legal system. when summative presents -- when somebody presents any complaints, we will have to investigate it. and there is a very fine line that must define it. we appreciate the u.s. assistance to the people of palestine, we do. we must distinguish, separate clearly between that and the political threat. i think we have time for one more question. reporter: thank you. thank you, ambassador, for your presentation. it's a very important one and would like to encourage you in continuing to saying these facts and conveying the public's opinions. i know that some americans know the facts, but some would like to put their hands over their ears.
we are with you. there way, i just heard was a meeting for the ministers in peace initiative today and they have adopted a plan or a rejecting thefor trunk the decision recognizing israel -- the trump decision recognizing israel. hand --continue our head with that and our heart with you. in the process to recognize palestine, maybe poland or sylvania will lessen that. if that's so, what efforts are you taking to -- this initiative? think on that. p.m. zomlot: as far as recognition, palestine is recognized by 138 countries
worldwide. was left practically is the u.s. and western europe. we are recognized by the majority in eastern europe. since the soviet union. in western europe, there has been a country starting with sweden fully recognizing palestine and sweden did that out of, how much sweden is a political system, much more based on values than interest and fears. i like to give a hand to them. [applause] also because my kids were born in sweden. [laughter] with the swedish, the government, social democrats. recognizesican palestine and the vatican has such a resounding symbolism.
for recognizing the state of palestine. and we are demanding from the rest of the european countries that if you really want to investigate -- invest in the two-state solutions, you start by recognizing the two state solution. by not recognizing the two state solution, it will be taken as israel as a policy of continuing expanding and colonizing. you have to drop of water. no we are saying we can't recognize israel -- reporter: we have to have israelis -- in world war ii? what do you mean by that? sayingmlot: what i was is that recognition of the state of palestine on the 19 67 a very important thing to do for any country, european country or otherwise, but it is your we are focusing on. if they really mean to see the two-step solution being revisited, is dying.
then recognition becomes the only act up makes sense and the political and legal arena -- i cannot reveal much about the other countries come up but there is a lot of talk and there will be done ignition's to visit the capital of this country, and number one is the recognition of the state of palestine on the 1967 borders. i don't mean that, sir. what i mean is that we will expect to establish a state of palestine. palestinian toe go to their home. we have to go to the original homes. my father lost his farm in what has become israel. i have the right to for my land and be compensated according to international law. the second scenario, if this is not accepted and this continues unrealistic given the situation we are in, we would have to take
our heads out of the sand and start listening and discussing nationally and internationally the real option of equal, full equal rights for all the people who live in the historic land of palestine. thank you very much. thank you. [applause] thank you. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] journaln's washington live every day with news and
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