" devilr to the sea," which was made," into a movie. we will be taking your phone calls and facebook messages. our special series in-depth fiction addition with walter mosley, sunday, live from noon to 3:00 p.m. eastern on book tv 2. c-span2 area >> walt disney's great-niece abigail disney spoke about filmmaking as a tool of peace. this is one hour. hello. good evening. i brought along a bag that is supposed to remind you of that mary poppins's bag, because i have some visual treats for you.

i have two ladies who promise to be volunteers for me. can you come up here to second. that shefully aware called me this morning. i brought her with me. in perfect form. this is a photograph my husband took the day she got her nobel prize. [applause] and she is going right here. i even brought paint so you would destroy the podium. she will be looking down on us, we will have her spirit with us all the way through. the city was different in 1984.

a lot was different then. i came here to study in the english department. i ended up writing a dissertation on american literature. , if phyllisbecause schlafly had a baby, that would have been my mother. person who called herself a feminist at the time. ways highly attuned to the anrican novelists are like obsession with men. obsessed with themselves. if you pay attention from huckleberry finn through norman mostr three some of our popular novelist now, you will realize it is an exercise in understanding masculinity.

i have an alarm going off, wait a second. i was a tomboy. i played on the boys soccer team ice cold -- scored an assist and a yellow card. i was obsessed with the spaces women were not allowed into and i ended up writing a dissertation on war novels which was a strange thing to do but i was obsessed with it because a war novel is like a locker room conversation. they assumed women are not listening to what they have got to say and it is the truest, most honest place to go looking for what it is they think life means and why it is they were put on this earth. i pursued pretty heavily a study in weapons and weapons technology and how they

influenced war tactics and what american novelists did in terms of understanding themselves as effective men as against homers men in the iliad. that was a weird thing for me to do. i had two babies along the way and i would nurse my babies and set down to a book on why gatling invented the machine gun. i decided to stay home for a while because my kids were little and i liked them. i was shocked by how much i liked them. i did not see that coming. i wound up staying home, close to home while they were little. i worked very hard as a volunteer and the leash was short.

what it meant was i could not go wide but i could go deep. i learned a lot about what it was that women do when they organize their neighborhood. i learned a lot about who those women tend to be and what it is they tend to do. so that 20 years later when i did give myself permission to set foot out there into the world and ask what it is i might do that it might be useful, i found myself in liberia. i found myself in liberia, it is not a normal sentence, normal people do not find themselves in liberia. i had 1000 version of the question what is a nice girl like you doing in a place like that? i had gotten interested in women's leadership. whether it would make a difference and why and the president of liberia had been elected out of the end of the civil war.

sirleaf.nson she had been elected with a tidal wave of women coming out to vote. my friend was involved in the international world of women's politics and said to me why don't you come with me and see what we discover. i went there certainly with what can i learn in my head. i had never been in a place that recently out of trauma and conflict. that level of trauma is almost physically hanging in there. air.nging in the you almost have to cut your way through it with an emotional machete, it is so painful. when you look at the number of loopholes, you wonder who you would be and how much strength you would have in that situation. i met some extraordinary women along the way. every time i chatted with them they would say, when we were

sitting out on the field for two years in the rain and sun and they would refer to it like i knew what that was and what happened. over the course of the week that i was there i pulled these shreds and fragments of things that got mentioned to me and i started to put them together. like a jigsaw puzzle. i started to figure out something happened here. and i did not know what it was. and i would read the new york times and pay attention and i know what is going on in the world, something had happened there and everyone had missed it. i came home wondering what it was that i needed to do. i said to my husband the night before i left i should not go. i will come home feeling obligated and i do not have time to be obligated. i have to much to do already. he said you need to go which is, that is such a good husband, right?

i did come home feeling obligated. i knew a story that nobody knew and human decency required me to make sure that people heard it. because those women deserved to be heard and recognized and remembered for what it was they had done. i will give you the short version. many may have seen the film. it is basically the civil war had gone and on for years. rape, pillage, the country is in tatters and the women get together and say enough, you have had your chance and they start sitting on the field. even though the president charles taylor had said i would kill my own mother. they worked out their differences between the muslim and the christian woman so no one could divide them from each other.

they learned each other's prayers. they sat in the rain and the sun and when you say rain and sun in liberia you need to know the rain is a firehose. and the sun is the fire. that is how hot and rainy and gets in my gurria. they sat there. eventually they were able to persuade the president to go to ghana to the peace talks and they went to sierra leone and they were able to persuade the opposition to go to the peace talks. time goes on, they go to the peace talks with everybody, the peace talks break down over the same corrupt ridiculousness that it always does and that women have had enough and they surrounded the building the peace talks were taking in, they locked their arms and sent a note inside saying we are taking your hostage for the women of liberia. it was an extraordinary moment and when security arrested them, their leader started to strip naked.

and security said we are not arresting you. they were able to dictate that within two weeks an agreement had to be signed, and election had to be held, or they were coming back and bringing twice as many women and sure enough, in two weeks, the agreement was signed, the election took place and they had the first peaceful transfer of power in the history of liberia just a couple of weeks ago. it is an amazing thing. i did not want to make a film. if i fail everything is going to be who fails with your last name, what kind of an idiot? if i succeed everyone says, of sort -- of course you succeeded, you have got that lost -- last name. i could not see how i was going to win. i could see the only way i could make sure the story was appreciated in the way it needs

to be is if i made a documentary film out of it. luck would have it that i found a great director. we made a film, it went to tribeca and won best documentary. it did very well. the incident it came out, something interesting happened. i was on the board for the global fund for women which had me in meetings all over the world and beginning to understand those ladies i was meeting all over new york city who were bad as organizers were exactly the same as the leader and she was the same as the woman on the board. they started to come here -- call me to lima -- i go to lima, peru and show the film. we showed it in the town hall

with half serbian and half bosnian women. we had the most extraordinary conversation. i went to, here goes my -- comes my next prop. you have to give props to my props. i went to 32 countries in under two years. this was my prop. this is what it looks like when you go to 32 countries in a year and a half. i was invited in these places and what happened in bosnia happened exactly the same way. in every country went to. you could set your watch by it. they were tears, there was some re-traumatization and some woman

who said that woman reminded me of my cousin or my sister. it started pulling out the things they recognized. they started seeing themselves. these are eastern european woman and women who are different from their own experience. they started seeing themselves and one woman stood up and pulled up her sleeve, she said i know, that is there but what are we going to do here today? we have problems to solve. let's talk about the problems we are going to solve. and over and over again, i watched little movements get born. i felt like the best midwife ever. so something else happened. this is a bit of a sidebar. where are my volunteers again? this is a little bit off on a sidebar but nevertheless.

the other thing i found was everywhere i went, mickey mouse was there. everywhere i went. and i started collecting him and i will give half these to you and half these to you in a want you on the back left and the front right, just pass that along. they're my favorite things in the world. they are positive that everyone wants joy, no matter how bad the world has gotten. one of them is from a concentration camp in germany. it goes to the question of how it is that you build peace. what i started to discover is what you are here to talk about. it is not just a question of she opened the door. why did she open the door? what is on the other side of that door?

if we're going to walk through that door and be the same people standing on the other side, if we are going to change the demographics of the room that we want to get into and only the demographics, count me out. parity is important and it is important to have the same fair chance that we are talking about paradigm shift. we are talking about paradigm shift here. every place i went i felt so intensely that paradigm shift was possible when women show up with all of themselves to talk about social problems. invariably in the u.s. when i talk about this, i get a push back and it is invariably margaret thatcher. margaret thatcher is the example. all women on earth are not peaceful goddesses and we know, we have sarah palin running around. we know that all women are not

necessarily peace builders but we know when a woman is alone in the world she cannot bring all of herself to that job. if you have to climb over a pile of -- to get to the top you will be covered in -- when you get there. when anyone who has been locked out of the mainstream, you are going to bring all of yourself to the decision-making and women everywhere on earth are charged with feeding, clothing, educating, housing, finding security, taking the dead out, caring for the sick, raising the young, if you want to find one word to explain what all of those things are, if you want to find a file for those woman, call it life.

i asked a warlord and another good sentence that nobody -- in the process of making the film, why? as many as three quarters of women had been raped, they obviously have no regard for women's sexual determination. how is it possible that one woman stripping naked causes you guys to go bananas and he looked at me like i was stupid and he said they were our mothers. i was like, i need more than that. he said there was not one man in that room in that moment who did not ask himself how did i cause this, how did i get us to this place. and if you just ask yourself during that shutdown conversation yesterday, if there had been enough women in the room, enough mothers to shame them into remembering who they are, what would go differently?

a woman's voice has a different register and it is interesting when hillary was running for president, that was one of the criticisms of her was her voice. and i think the presence of the female voice in public discourse is so categorically different just in the sound that it disrupts things, it makes people uncomfortable. when you think about that voice and who we are as human beings, this applies to most of us. what is the first voice you ever heard and what did it sound like and who was the first person who said to you, i love you, i will take care of you, i will make you safe, it is going to be all right. do not hit, do not bite, share your toys. that is what women bring if they bring all of themselves to the job. a year and a half almost two years later i am standing in

northern mexico where women are getting disappeared right, left, and center and i am talking about women and peace and peace building. another goodie. they gave me this. the federales detained me when i tried to leave the country. you can pass them out. around.an pass it there are two empty bullet casings in them. they are every day on the sidewalk and they had an artist make a sculpture out of it. i was in my usual thing about why women matter and why peace is a special thing and halfway through i thought about the quarter of a million weapons that make their way from texas and arizona down into mexico every year and the way we fuel with our drug habits everything that is going wrong in northern

mexico and i was talking, the hypocrisy of it all was so bad, i was so ashamed so i stopped in the middle and said i cannot keep doing this, i am an american woman and i know what my country does. i -- how dare i come to talk to about peace and peace building and not attempt to build piece peace in my country. i promise i will go home and do what i can. that is -- has been my focus primarily ever sense has been to figure out how can i be a force for peace in my own country. we are maybe not having shots fired over our heads, where -- we are more of a war country than liberia ever has been.

no one makes and produces more weapons, no country is in more universal cross party agreements about how military postures should be. no country creates more media and film and games that glorify war, that make it look noble, make it look like the only way to solve a problem is to pick up a weapon and fire it. we are a problem. if you want to fix the world, stay home and fix this. this is everybody's problem. if we do not stop importing exporting weapons, if we do not stop exporting the ideology, but today at this moment, there are more than 800 million small arms in circulation around the

world, 90% of them are not in the hands of the army or police. we produce enough ammunition to kill everybody on the planet twice. there is a point at which we have to ask ourselves have our old ways of solving problems failed us? is there a new way to understand this? how amazing is this moment we are standing upon, how amazing is this moment when women are standing tall saying me too. my form of peace building was to deploy my name which i am saying nicely, normally i say i whore it out. it is a pain in my ass for the most part so if i can use it for something meaningful i feel excited. in this case right wing evangelicals love my name, they ask me for my autograph wherever i go. i knew that would give me credibility in the world of evangelicals, it would be

somebody over there on planet pro-life who meant what they said about every human life being sacred and i like -- might disagree with them violently about abortion but i would agree it about most anything else. what i said to the person i ended up working with, you will figure out we are fighting with each other because we are alike, not different and that is what happened. i made a phone call to the armour of life. the idea was to not speak to conservatives or liberals but to take the discourse which is ample above politics. we spend no time in the space above politics and it was a powerful, meaningful thing and i spent two years traveling with a minister to far right churches and talking to people and they gave me the microphone and let

me speak fully aware of my politics. we had the most extraordinary conversations about guns. with a documentary you have to bite off a bite big enough that you can't chew it. that was my attempt to make a dent in the war and tell it is based entirely what i have learned over the years from women and women around the world who build peace movements around the world. someone once told me that you

will find your joy when your heart's deepest gladness meets the world's joy. this is what it looks like. [applause] -- the world's deepest needs. just finishing a second round, it will be on the air on pbs. i go back to the question of she opened the door. i think anybody in this room can name three or four women that you and i have never heard of who opened the door for them. it is not just the famous women who are important. that women matter is one of the most important pieces of information you need to have.

if you want to know what really works and changing the world, pay attention to what the bad guys are doing. often they are there before we are in terms of doing what they need to do to destroy what is working. look at what they are doing to women around the world, inside of this country. look at 82% of the pornography on pornhub.com have active aggression in them. we matter. steve bannon said today, i am not making this up, the movement against patriarchy will change everything. he was saying that because it is bad news. have you ever asked yourself why we care about anne frank? anne frank was just a little girl. do you think if it were andrew frank we would pay as much

attention? i care about and i love 13-year-old boys, they are the best people in the world. there is a reason anne frank resonated. she was as innocent as a debt's. -- as it gets. she was never going to be guilty. she was never going to get sucked in. that is what she represents. she represented peace and that is why we study her to this day. for us the question is where does your heart's deepest gladness made the world's greatest need? what can you do to change this country, your context, what can you do to make this a kinder, better, gentler world around us? and who will you open the door for? not just a question of walking through it but holding it open for the people behind you.

who will be better and what will be better because you chose to walk through that door? so thank you so much. [applause] oh, stop. we have q&a time, plenty of it. i love nothing more than an a so send me some q's. anybody? we have runners with mics. they are really walkers with mics.

tell me your name and the school you are from. >> given your perspective on opening today's environment in the u.s., what do you think the perspective needs to be for women who have risen to leadership ranks to help others, given today's political environment and how do we activate this in a sustainable fashion? >> it depends on what you mean by today's environment. we have the donald trump environment and then we have the root cause of the donald trump environment. this is much larger than donald trump. that is reaching for a security blanket and wanting things to return to what they looked like before and feel comfortable and so forth. it is a natural reaching

backwards. this moment is amazing. this moment of me too and all that has happened because of that, i have never seen women stand this way and i have never seen them stand together so well and i have never seen women not back down because someone told them their voice was too shrill or they were sounding ugly or whatever it was. that is why we often back down in my generation. we need to support those movements and we need to stop undercutting each other which we often do. with questions about, she seems a little crazy to me or she is just a little too disruptive or why is she so feisty or she is going to scare them in a way. away.e the men

we need to be more supportive to my less ready with questions and less ready with criticism. we need to take a woman like rose mcgowan who is crazy and shrill and she has a lot to say about the raped by harvey weinstein. why are we leading with the criticism? let's support what she has to say that is valid and right. it does not negate everything else. an emphasis on supporting each other is important. we had a lot of women who were high up in the big accounting firms and law firms. they were pretty high up, they were always the top and they were topping out at the glass ceiling. they talked about women's networking and bringing women in behind them but most of them were the only woman in the room in the rooms they were in. i am starting a studio which is another one of those sentences. with a group of women film makers. i met one of those women i knew

back in 1992 who is now way up there at one of the banks. i said to her the last domino needs to come down for women in the media is the $200 million line of credit that no one ever asked harvey weinstein a second question about and we cannot get our hands on that and she said, to my office and talk about that. so we had arrived in different historical moments. that woman is not alone at the top and she has more than enough clout to make something like that happen. if we do not put together the women who have raised their voices and their integrity and identity with that women who we have a chance here to make a difference. [applause] >> i will graduate from columbia college in 2018.

how do you think we can in the arts, and popular media and everyday life begin to normalize and incorporate the narratives of those who are seen of -- as outside of the mainstream? >> we have gone a long way toward starting that process in the last couple of years. my interest is in media because -- i just wound up there. what is happening, women directing "a wrinkle in time" with a $50 million budget, women have been making movies with a small budget and no one has ever trusted them with big-budget films. she is somebody who is not going to apologize for anything or sugarcoat anything and make anybody feel better.

black panther, that was a huge thing and it will do very well. wonder woman was huge. there are big blockbustery kinds of things. there is also a lot of important things happening on the edges. film has a way of reaching into the next and crannies, there is all these great rivulets of influence which you can reach with a small independent film. and the number of women producers that have approached me since we announced this studio is kind of amazing. so most of the women producers are not interested in making a film about another woman trying to break the glass ceiling. that is ivanka feminism. i will assume we are ok with that here. there was always a tension in the rooms i was in early in the day between the women who wanted

to break the glass ceiling and make work better and the woman who said, if you're getting raped on the way to work, that is not going to help. so it tended to follow lines of race and sexual orientation. and income levels. white, upper-middle-class, working women tended to fall into the wage gap thing. and that is one reason feminists get such a hard and deserved reputation for not caring much about everyone else. what i notice about the women in these producing spaces is they do want to tell the whole story. up until, gina davis has been doing this incredible work, 82%, this is going to blow your mind of crowd themes were male.

men. just think about that. it is not that big a deal to put 50% women in your crowd scenes. when james cameron made aliens, that was written for an all-male cast. someone had the bright idea casting a woman as ripley and they did not change a word of dialogue. that became an incredible film but no one recognized the feminist landmark it was because that was incredible and no one ever did it again. they put the women back in the bus, in the second alien there was some stupid mom plot. the women who are doing this now have brought a full acceptance that when we paradigm shift, there is no point in doing it unless it shifts for everybody.

>> hi, columbia business school and i was struck by what you said that you found common ground with the evangelist people that you disagree so much with on some fundamental issues. i think america and americans with all the fights that are happening on social media, twitter, and we have leaders that are starting fights everyday, we need some tips on how to find common ground with the other. i agree with you, it is there but i think that could make a real difference. if you have tips to share that would be great. >> a really good question. we face the challenge of being physically separate in new york city. that is part of the problem that we have retreated into spaces with like-minded people.

right down to where you get your coffee. liberals go to starbucks and conservatives go to dunkin' donuts. i don't know if you knew that. i wouldn't be caught in a starbucks. [laughter] so it has gone ridiculous. -- so it has gotten ridiculous. i do not think you're going to find common ground on social media. it is like walking through a room that has been sprayed with firestarter and it takes one match, one spark. it is not a stable place emotionally for people. i am just as much of a jerk on twitter as the next person. i have my attitude problem there too. i do not think it is going to happen on facebook. we have to create human spaces. we forget humans prefer together in physical spaces face-to-face. and we need -- what i learned about the minister for my film

was we started the process and then i will change his mind about everything. i will turn him into a pro-choice liberal. and once i got to know him and he was such a lovely human being just who he was, as much as it was fundamental for me -- choice is fundamental to me, i thought, i hope he does not change his mind. many that sounds a little crazy but what i have learned is you do not change anybody if you set out to change their mind but any conversation you will have is in bad taste. what you need to do is walk in with humility and kindness and trust. that may be hard to do. we'll have in our family probably somebody who is really difficult. my older brother. he never reaches out to me.

he is never kind to me. why would i bother? if you want to build peace it takes is some sacrifice. it means that you have to be the one to take the first step and take a nice deep breath when he baits you, when he tries to get you into the argument, that is the only dynamic that person understands. you have to change the way you interact. it is usually going to be in your family that you find people to get to know and to talk to. just do not try to change their mind and start with them where they are. there was a woman right behind you. >> i am from colombia and we are in such an incredible moment of our history. i guess this is a question but do you have a chance to go around the world and talk to amazing women and girls, how do

you empower young women, your little sister to speak when this is not the life, this is not the world we grew up in. how do you create a new environment where it is ok to raise your hand and to say i have an opinion and i want to be heard? >> right. i am feeling your pain. i was so punished in my own family. there are women, there was a memo who was handed out that said be quiet. don't lose your loud voice. everyone else got the memo and as i have gotten older i figured out there are women that i love that did not get the memo either. i had an advantage in that i was oblivious and did not care. whether or not evil approved of me. i feel very lucky because i think i have not wasted a lot of

energy on trying to please the people around me who were not going to be please no matter what i did anyway. the first thing is to let go and be the person you really know that you are. honestly even as i was getting started, people were asking me to speak and do interviews and i got a sense that if i lost 30 pounds, they would ask me every night. i think that is true. that is way more work. and so, no. my friends will tell you i am falstaff, i love to party and whatever. i decided long ago i was not changing a thing about my fundamental aspect of who i was and if i broke through or made a name for myself it was in my own

terms and my own way. trust yourself. you are good as you are. [applause] >> i am a graduate of the journalism school. my question is more spiritual. you are speaking about cultivating peace and we have to acknowledge privilege in the room. i know that there are people in the room who have been triggered by the me too movement. it is difficult to be an effective communicator and remember that cultivating peace is the first step. i am curious and i sent you a message on instagram. some things you have to ask directly. how do you take care of yourself? this is heavy spiritual work as women. we are expected because of all

kinds of gender specific and cultural traditions to nurture everyone else and we forget. you know what, sometimes you need a break. how do you do that and i openly ask women this every day now. i will not lie to you, it has been a hard two years. >> do not ever stop asking that question. i think it helps people remember it is ok. a lot of my friends think it is not allowed because you are only given so many years and you have to do as much as you can in the time that you have. i fell prey to that routine. i am partly very blessed in my temperament which is i default to joy. i am really lucky. and when i am in a room full of people with bad news and good news, i am, at least we have

monds to eat.l i do pathologically look at the bright side. that is a temperament thing. i remember my first time in my. there was a woman who told me the most horrific, most awful rape story and i said thank you very much and i left the room and sat down at lunch and they served me a plate of food and i almost threw up all of the table and i would up to my room and lay down. i had to lie down. i did not know what us to do but be horizontal. i was not listening to my body and i was in a state of adrenaline and i had never heard anything like this in my life and i did not know how to incorporate it into how i understand humans to behave. once in a while, you have to lie down or you have to meditate or you have to do whatever. i have been meditating lately and it is one of the most major changes i have made in my life.

huge. i also went back to church which is really funny. when i hang out with the evangelicals, they are in this big contest to see who could reel me in. like notches on their bedpost. i'm going to get one. the last thing i wanted to do is tell rob i was back in church. he would be like cha-ching. i did find myself thinking that i miss -- as much as i did not long for anything about the catholic, i did miss the habit of gathering. we need to gather. we need time alone, but we need to gather and we need to sit for an hour once in a while with people who want to talk about the meaning of life. that is what you do, that is the essence of it. find the most hippie, deist, most atheist church you can find.

it was the perfect place on earth because every week we talk about why we have been put on this earth. it is wonderful. this lady has been so nice and patient. >> i am ruth curtis, and i am sitting here and getting this feeling, there are multiple universes of experience rather than one stream forward. i grew up in alabama in the segregated south. the tradition that i grew up in and i grew up on a college campus was that you did speak out, it is that no one was listening. but we talked to each other and that fueled us to continue and to keep doing what we want, what we needed to do. it is not the same issues

necessarily that are the focus now with regard to rape and that kind of thing, women who are moving into high places and having to deal with men and higher places. but that is why i am saying parallel universe. because it was racism and holding people back and denying the humanity of a group of people. so the whole idea of your voice and of supporting people who speak out was there. it just was not being heard until the whole civil rights air at took place. i wanted to mention that as a dimension of this discussion that needs to be acknowledged. >> thank you for that. i think a thing that gets missed in the conversation we have

about speaking up is the role of humility and knowing when it is appropriate for you to be the person to speak as opposed to someone else. three billboards was made by man and i keep thinking to myself, did you have to direct this film? because did you have to? and white women have done a terrible job of accepting a role in racism, systemic racism across the decades and centuries in this country. i come from a family that owns a -- that owned slaves in louisiana. and i wish i could bring in an rcist because- exo

they are still in my heart and i want them not to be part of me, but they are. i would be willing to bet if you gave everybody truth serum, it would be more women than you think that you talk to every single day that have grandma's voice in the back whispering. leading women should be on anything it would be learn how to shut up and listen, how to hear what you just set about being from alabama and how your experience was different, how to stop telling people what their experience is, to let them tell you. speaking up is great unless you are drowning someone out. we need to be lifting each other's voices up. i don't know what to do with my family's history, but i imagine something. i'm going to do something with it, i just need to figure out what it is. but one of the things i've learned to recognize when it is not right for it to be my voice. [applause]

>> my name is breanna and i am a 2018 graduate of arts and sciences. i have a question. as a young person, in my 20's, what advice would you give to women today of how to break through those male-dominated spaces that we find ourselves in during our careers, in our classes, in this world, in this patriarchy? >> i have to come to terms with something when i was researching for war and peace because all you read about is rate and war -- rape in wartime and the terrible things that men do, and i was coming home every night and sitting to dinner with my two sons and has been. after a while you look at start

thinking, are you all evil? no, they are not. of course they are not. most of them are not. harvey weinstein has what, 90 accusers at this point? the people who are terrible are the minority they just do it over and over again. they also happen to be the big alpha guys who are deciding how stones get made and who is going to star. it is not just that the world is being run by men. narroweing run by a from af men who benefit system that privileges aggression and violence and a lack of regard for other people's humanities and rights. when women bring all of themselves into those rooms and

start to really act like women, who might peel off from the alpha and feeling other things are possible? men are harder on each other than they are on us. if you have a 13-year-old boy, there is a lot of suffering in it. a lot of horrible choices to be made. my advice is be a woman. always be a woman. bring what you know about life as a woman. what you know about taking care and find allies in the men because there are more of them around here. help them find their strength. help them speak out. support them when they do, don't tell them they are being sissies. this is a real problem.

we outnumber those harveys. we way outnumber those harveys. can i tell you a harvey story? he used his button on me. i went to tell him something involving my family the asked -- and he asked what i was going to talk about. i said michael eisner. and he hit the button and it just locked. i've been so angry about harvey lately because i knew him and i knew exactly who he was the minute i met him. i don't know why anybody doubted what was very clear on the surface. i've been walking around like a lit fuse. on fifth avenue about 6:00 in the morning. i once got into an argument with a friend of mine -- this is how

-- ius i get in conflict got into an argument with a friend of mine and i literally got a nosebleed. i don't do conflict. the driver gets out and grabs her really roughly by the arm. line crossed. yanks her out and start yelling at her, and she is crying and says she forgot her wallet. and i said -- how much does she know you? -- owe you? he said eight dollars. i was like really? i almost got into a fist fight with him. i stepped between them and i said let her go and he showed me, and he shoved me back. out of body experience. i was looking down thinking this is interesting. [laughter] i kept thinking -- please hit me

because i can't hit you first. i've never hit a person and i really want to know what that feels like. [laughter] he turns to me and got right in my face, the way they do a baseball games, and he starts yelling at me. in my old me, i would have been so afraid. and i am standing there and i'm watching him like i'm a bug in a microscope and i thought to myself you shoved me and i said this is all you have. this is it. this is the last trick in your bag of tricks. the emperor is not wearing any clothes. you guys, the emperor is not wearing any clothes. don't let anybody else shove -- out shout you. i just started to laugh. i didn't do it on purpose, it was just so ridiculous to me.

shouting is one of the dumbest and stupidest and the last of the resorts of scandal. never let anybody shout you down. [applause] >> i am caroline. you have had an incredibly diverse career. can you talk fairly pragmatically about how you arrived at where your heart's greatest joy met the world's deepest need? >> i have never spoken really pragmatically in my life. it is a good question because i have been really likely, greatest joy met the world's honestly. i look at it as the world is

unrolling in front of me and i just kept locking it. as i got past a certain age, i thought i have never just trusted where life was taking me. i'm going to keep trusting and that is the way i have been operating ever since. i've learned that every decision i have ever made out of fear has been a bad decision. i've learned that any time i ever felt tempted not to tell the truth it was a terrible mistake. i have learned that it is amazing how much of a difference just to be generous in every interaction you have because you really never know who is going to come back 20 years later and turn out to be running a foundation. if you choose joy and you choose generosity, this is the only thing that is religious about me, it will find you. not pragmatic a bit. sorry. [applause]

>> is one more ok? >> a graduate from the engineering school of 2001. i work in a company that has over 200,000 employees and we have a women's diversity network and the cochair of the network -- there are two chairs, one is a man and one is a woman. initially i found it quite intriguing, but after working through that, actually found the experience somewhat open, he opens the perspective in many ways. what is your perspective of how we sort of interact and engage and potentially partner with men because we are living in a world that is almost half-and-half. >> it is half-and-half. we are the majority. the fact that we are considered diversity is odd, isn't it?

it makes no sense at all. there is a mistake we often make about when we talk about ending patriarchy because people who don't understand things think we want to replace it with matriarchy. i have a mother, nobody wants to live with a matriarchy, nobody wants that. [laughter] >> what we are saying is we are living way out of balance. we are not getting the full picture because everybody is not working on creating the picture. we are looking to walk side-by-side with men as our peers without an expectation of being punished or violated in exchange for that. it is pretty simple. if he is a man who understands that, and sometimes you have to wait a long time before he shows himself, then great.

he is going to be one of your best and biggest allies. just make sure he is a kind man who understands what i said before about understanding when it is right for him to speak and when it is not. michael moore spoke at the women's march in january and he was the only one they had to cut off the mic because he wouldn't stop talking. if he understands how to bring humility to it -- it is up to us to help men along with us. to get them to be a little less afraid of what it is we are trying to accomplish because they are afraid. the ground is shifting under their feet and we have to help them with that. we need to insist it shifts. we need to insist. thank you so much, everybody. [applause]

>> thank you so much. [applause] today on c-span, washington journal is next with your phone calls. and cambridge analytica whistleblower chris wiley testifying before a british parliamentary commission. and later, landmark cases examining the 1963 supreme court case between gideon v. wainwright. in about an hour, the root associate editor kiersten on police shootings and rapes in the u.s. and then our spotlight on magazine segment. story on the

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