that americans have in the media. tv marks theory 50th anniversary of martin luther king jr. and memphis with a discussion on >> next, c-span's road to the right house features outgoing ohio governor john kasich. a was interviewed about possible presidential bid. after the interview, he took questions and spoke with reporters. this is just under 90 minutes.

>> good evening, everyone. i am here to welcome all of you and to speak very briefly before a turnover the event to our special speaker. this is the final new england college series event of 2000

1718 academic year. a very special event. i'm delighted to see all of you here this evening and to welcome our very special guest, ohio governor john kasich. [applause] >> we are pleased to have you back on the campus and it is clear that new hampshire and the nation urged in with you have to say. let me tell you a little bit about the new england college president speakers series. together leaders from the world of business, nonprofits, academia, arts, -- throughout to

the academic year to engage in lively conversations with students, faculty, staff, and the community. is our fourth event this year. to hostl we were happy two big leaders from the business and politics rounds. this february, we will have ambassador to denmark which is sweat. [applause] >> tonight we welcome governor john kasich. >> he's a great guy. he is.

i want to thank bruce perky, the for his assistance in bringing governor kasich to campus. i'm pleased and proud to say he's alumnus of new england college. [applause] >> governor kasich is serving his second term as ohio's governor and he was a present of canada prior to serving as governor. then he was a member of congress for central ohio for 18 years. he is served as chairman of the house budget committee. is also the author of four near times bestsellers. let me introduce you to our moderator for this evening.

college dean of undergraduate and professor of political science. [applause] >> thank you president perkins. [applause] >> candidates are guest. house of the representatives, candidate for president, and perhaps my

favorite title, politicize major. governor john kasich brings with him a rich history of public service to the people of ohio. he is credited with leading ohio's come back. specifically, he and his colleagues in columbus turned in columbus turned and $8 billion shortfall into $2 billion surplus. his mid-ohio one of the top job grading states in the nation. congress, he was the chief architect of the last federal balanced budget. as chair of the house budget committee, he led the effort to balance the budget for the first time in decades. outside of politics, his head successful career as a banker. please welcome me -- please join me a lot to me john kasich. [applause]

>> how about a round of applause for johnson new new. and the endow it will former congressman for the state of connecticut, christopher shea. they help me get the budget down. it was an amazing time.

>> governor, welcome to new england college. welcome to new hampshire. judging by the turnout, the buzz that a company your visit and the presence of our friends from the media gives us the question on everyone's mind -- are you running for president? gov. kasich: it is like dan rather asking ted kennedy, "why do you want to be president?" i do not know what i will do. i have nine months left as governor and i received really good news today about progress we are making on reasonable reform of gun laws. i am very excited about it. we are second amendment advocates but we think there are things we need to do to bring about gun safety in our state. i received good news today. i will shine some shoes when i get home tonight. what i am trying to do is be the best governor i can be. this will sound like politics. christopher shays and john sununu said keep your answers short. i am trying to be about stability and objectivity in our country and unifying.

i have decided, as i look at the landscape, that the far right and the far left, god bless them, but, they are not the ones i will be able to change. maybe not right now. i look for those folks who are people who can be objective. who can look at the truth. and can have a civil discussion about how we address the problems that we have in our country. the people on the far right, many of them feel as though they have been taken advantage of and ripped off. and ignored. it does not mean we ignore them. but as a community, we need to address their problems. we can allow them to call themselves victims. victims are people who have a very hard time getting on their feet. we do not want victimhood. it leads to anger, anger does

not lead to anything good. in the process, i think that, to help them, we have to figure out those people objective and who can understand the bigger part of life, which is, we all need to live a life a little bigger than ourselves. on the left, a lot of anger, these are folks currently in a small war. you have people on the right that are furious, some claim victimhood. on the left, no matter what the president does, they hated. we will not do well when we are polarized that much. this is very important to me. i have thought about this a long time. i have to do this so that christopher shays does not get mad i went on to long. i believe that, you do not have to believe the way i believe, that the virtues, that represent our foundation, which is

fundamentally, jewish and christian tradition, that those virtues that reflect our creator are written on our hearts. if we move too fast, or if we feel we are victims or we are angry, it is easy to ignore the deep seated principles on our hearts. what are they? justice, forgiveness, that humility, about passion, these things really matter. if in fact we can slow our lives down, we can recapture these these issues, if we can have an overriding view of what we believe, we can mediate those issues. the most important thing, in my

view in this country, this is why i love new hampshire, is what happens here. the town halls. the little meetings in the community where we get together to try to push things up. we need to push things up, but we need to have people at the top, people like john and christopher shays, getting out of their comfort zones to meet those issues that reflect our virtues, and create progress in society. that is what i want to talk about. i am tired of debating these little issues because all we do is fight. we need to get above them and solve the issues by having an overall philosophy that allows us to draw conclusions as to what our responsibility is.

let me give you one example -- if we believe in justice, and we believe in compassion, no reason why we would take somebody who was brought to this country at the age of six, who is now 26, with a spouse and children, and announced to them one day that we are shipping you out. that is not justice. [applause] gov. kasich: we can't just do with this from a standpoint of it sounds good, but how do we get through to those who feel they are getting justice by shipping them out. if we can spread this, if we can all do this where we live, we can have some major breakthroughs. we see it in times of crisis, whether las vegas where people put themselves in the way of bullets. they never ask them their party, philosophy. or houston, where they rescued people. those are the times we say we are together, and we need to achieve that again.

it will take time. prof. lesperance: i think the american people would agree with you. we hear this all the time, the word civil. that is something we see more and more folks concerned about. the title of your book is to pass, america to fight it are united. we focus on what divides us as a nation, but i have two questions. is it worth the time to talk about how we got here? gov. kasich: what we have now and what we are seeing now is a manifestation of what has been building up in this country for a long time. look, i understand people who feel ripped off. i come from a town where if the wind that blew the wrong way, people found themselves out of work. i can remember people in the community saying "that is not

fair." the issue is, what do we do about it? i have been to believe if somebody is down, -- let's think about what we see in the basketball games. when somebody gets knocked down, you ever notice how the other team picks them up. i would like to see the other team picked them up. when somebody is down, we all have to pick them up. when somebody celebrates, we should all have celebration. what has happened is we have grown apart from each other and are taking care of our own issues and have too much at a time forgotten that i am my brother's keeper. i think there is a rage or an anger that is underpinning all of this. there are two ways to deal with it, two paths. i could've walked into a room and talked to a town hall and enraged them, or i can walk into

a town hall and say i got your problem, and let's you what we can do about it. if i in range of them, i drive than deeper and farther apart. that is called negative populism , but if i can figure out a way to give people a sense of hope that we are all in this together, to quote a former president, "i feel your pain," then we get a sense that tomorrow might be a better day. too many people in america think tomorrow will not be a better day, and they have been told tomorrow will not be a better day because you took my stuff. you came into my country and you took my stuff, and therefore i am a victim, and i am going to deal with this, ok? that doesn't work in our country. it is a process whereby we begin to melt down. prof. lesperance: if you think

back to the 1980's, whether you like to them or not, what everybody said about ronald reagan was that he was the eternal optimist. he spoke in poetic language about america, and that we have a president who uses language that many would describe as divisive, confrontational, aggressive. gov. kasich: to the young people that are here, i did not go to the convention in my own state when i held the convention there and i never endorse the guy because of that language. it wasn't because i was mad at him or anything else. i have taken a lot of heat and gotten a lot of criticism for it. it is ok. i've had people say these people help to for 20 years and now they feel you abandon them. i am sorry about that, but i have do what i have to do. i'm not that great.

i'm just a guy trying to do my job. i'm just a slob on the bus trying to get home. that is all i am. i'm going to do the best i can at doing the best i can. i guess what i am suggesting is this has been happening over time and nobody has been able to come to the rescue, and we need to realize that. in your community in henniker, the only town in the world by that name -- [laughter] gov. kasich: i bet you tend to come to your neighbors rescue, don't you? we see places where this happens. you know why? the virtues i talked about are written on our hearts, and if we slow down enough -- this is what i learned in the campaign. i am down in georgia and his kids said i drove all over the place to come and see you. can i have one eager hugs? it was the most amazing thing. if we slow down enough, we realize we are all connected, and when we speed up, we override all that, and we need

to slow down. it is not going to happen overnight and we will not get this overnight. this message is not some easy soundbite for people to key hear, but i don't care. i just want to change the dialogue in the message. prof. lesperance: one of the other virtues i think you would agree with his public service. he told a great story about meeting richard nixon and how you met richard nixon. one of the core by his at doing on college is civic engagement. we take seriously preparing citizens, and part of that is the call to public service. tell us about your path to public service.

how do you convince young people day to continue down that path? gov. kasich: i think young people are fantastic today. they learn from us baby boomers how not to do things, you know? they are willing to take a job that pays less for a job that has more meaning. i told that story earlier today. my chief of staff has two daughters, and they listen every 9:00 -- who is here, who can tell me? what is a called? hq. she said to her daughters, because they play hq at 9:00 every night, they will play together, work together, and she said to her daughters come out why don't you use your cell phone, you use your cell phone, and i will use my cell phone and we will have a competition. they looked at her like she was nuts. they are neither republican, democrat. they are free floating out here. i think of the political parties today as two great department stores in downtown manchester, one red, one blue, and the customer show up and neither department store has anything to offer, so guess what happens?

the millennials are saying i don't like either of those, so you better give me something i'd like, and that creates a dynamism insider country that is really exciting. so i believe engine at -- in gen xers. have you seen articulate grown-up young people. shame on the adults attacking them. they are incredible people. they give us help. one thing i was saying this morning also, there is a show on hbo. anyone remind me what the name of that was? nobody remembers. these young people came in to interview me, and we were talking about an issue, and i said i don't know if i can get that done, and they said why not? i said it's not possible. would you mean it is not possible?

everything is possible. they made me look bad in the interview, but i learned something, don't ever give up on the impossible. that is why these young people give me hope. i give out these kurds awards every year at my state of the state. i think it was arnold's to me when he was governor of california. i gave three outcome and i want to you about two of them. one was to a 10 year old boy whose parents are on drugs in and out of prison, and he lives with his grandmother. she took control. he had been living in homeless shelters. his grandmother told him for christmas that she was -- you will not believe this -- i'm going to give you $300 to buy an xbox. this tenure or boy said, grandma, i would love to have an xbox love but can we go buy some blankets for people living in a homeless shelter. i gave him a medal.

another lady was giving emergency treatment to people who were shot at the concert in las vegas. she said she gave cpr and helped to load people into the ambulance as she walked around in an ocean of blood. but you talk about public service, she got a medal too. yes, you can go into public service, go into government, but don't go in namby-pamby. get out of your comfort zone. go be somebody. that's why i respect him and admire him come at you don't have to be in public life per se to make a big difference where you are, and that is what -- the same holds true for john peered these are terrific people. you are a state senator? i don't know. you better be doing that.

prof. lesperance: let's dig deeper on parkland, an issue on the minds of americans everywhere. it seems to me there are two different positions here. what is your message to those young people from parkland florida and across the country who are speaking their own truth to power? and what is your message for lawful and responsible gun owners who want to see their rights safeguarded? gov. kasich: there are two things i did recently i feel good about. the first is the issue of police and the community. how do we resolve the problems of the violence, the shootings, and two things, how do we convince people in the community that they will not be preyed upon, and how do we convince the community that law enforcement officers want to go home at night to their families? we had two police officers and my sweet little hometown of westerville, and you heard about it, who were gunned down going to a domestic violence 911

hangup call. wow. i had never seen an outpouring like i saw in my community honoring police officers. at the same time, i view it is also important that the community is also heard, so i brought law enforcement and street activists and liberals. i mean, everybody you can imagine. i said, look, let's see if we can reach some kind of agreement on what the rules will be. there was never such an odd group that i can think of that was gathered, and they came back with unanimous recommendations about data collection and ultimately where were going to go is an integration, and integration of police in the community. in urban areas, this is really important. for people to understand one another, respect one another, and work together. that was the first thing. when vegas happened, i thought we needed to deal with guns. these are the issues i pick.

what i said is, ok, we have to bring the second amendment people who think there should be no change in any way, people who are second amendment advocates, but yet they think that there are reasonable limits to the second amendment, and i got them in a room, and they came up with a list of five recommendations, not political, five recommendations that i begged them. i said, please, if we don't do something -- my mother used to say when she made potatoes, there would be a whistle coming out of the pressure cooker, and i would say what is that whistle? she said, johnny, if the pressure does not come out come of the lid will explode. i felt that that is where this issue is and there are reasonable accommodations we can make, and a very good when an big when is this. if we find that there is somebody in your family, or somebody who is a neighbor or schoolmate, and we think that they are unstable and pose a threat to themselves or to

others, that you have the ability to go to one force meant , then a court, and the weapons they are in possession of can be taken. i think that is entirely reasonable, and i think we will see things like that pass, but we have to be careful because we don't want to denigrate the people who believe so firmly in the second amendment, while at the same time having reasonable limits, so i have a package and it will be introduced in the legislature and i am optimistic about the ultimate outcome. i kind of believe that if you have a dispute and you can get reasonable people in a room -- not the people who will not be reasonable come up at those who can be objective -- you can solve many problems. in fact, most problems. prof. lesperance: is the state level where we should apply that energy? are we expecting too much for washington to resolve this for us?

or not? gov. kasich: i think it is best for each state. one thing we can all agree on is weak not to have felons get their hands on guns because we don't have the good reporting system, so that is what the feds can help with, but states ought to be given wide latitude in terms of what they want to do. my state is different than new hampshire. new hampshire is different than south carolina, which is different than oregon, so there should be some common standards, and there are right now, but fundamentally the states will have to find our way through this issue. prof. lesperance: let's switch gears to foreign policy. your time in the house, you pay quite a bit of attention to the u.s. military and foreign affairs. in 1998, madeleine albright said "we are the indispensable nation. we stand tall and see further than other countries into the future and see the danger here to all of us."

president trump's america first approach seems to contrast with madeleine albright. what is your vision for the world? gov. kasich: i said to my wife the other day as we were out doing a hike and i said, thank god we were born in america. can you imagine being born in some of these countries, born in myanmar, born in some country in africa where there is great poverty and great famine. we are born in america. i kind of think about america maybe the same way i think about a family, you know, when people here are taking care of their mothers or fathers are brothers and sisters, sometimes in the family somebody will say, why do we have to do all this?

i went to munich two years ago and met with these leaders and i europeans and all these things. i will tell you what i found. you know how they want to kick us around, it is sort of like how we sometimes fight with our parents, but, boy, we love them. and they need us and they want us. what are the things i think about? i think when the left the pacific trade agreement and we left these tiny countries out there, fledgling countries that want us, i don't only think it was a economic mistake but it is also a political mistake. because we left a vacuum.

do you know what the chinese -- what they are all about? the chinese are all about domination. they are about a value system that is nothing like our value system. when there is a gap, they are going to fill it in ways we do not like. should our trade agreements be fair? absolutely right. should we have a method of deal with cheating? absolutely right. but to walk away from trade? 40 million americans are engaged in trade. the consumers benefit from competition. if we start unilaterally taking action, it is not going to be good long-term for us. it diminishes us. withdrawing from the paris accord on climate change -- i do not agree with that. now we are trying to work through a reform on the

of the agreement with iran. all the european countries have been with us on this, and now they are saying do not withdraw. the president is pushing for and other agreement on that. we do not want to withdraw and be alone. then some say "we don't want immigrants." of course we have to protect our border, but i would not be here if we did not have immigration. immigration is a strength, it is diversity, it is energy and i do not want to withdraw from that because it makes me withdraw from the world. i do not want america to shrink. i think we should ask other people to be more personally responsible. it is not one way or the other. we have to realize the indispensable nature of the powerful, sweet, and beautiful united states of america and our influence around the world. it matters. i remember back when i was -- i

will never forget this. there is a lady who i met -- i went to israel right after i was elected, and i met a woman at lunch, and she said she was going to go to washington and i said, why, what are you going there for? her name -- her last name was shirankski. she said my husband is sitting in a soviet gulag, and i want to talk to president reagan so he when he goes to the summit in reykjavík, he can raise the case of my husband. she said "you do not understand how much america matters." the president went to russia and raised the issue of the man and

he raised the pressure of the united states, and ultimately, shiranski was released from the gulag. he wrote a book and said that when he was sitting in a soviet gulag, you know what that is like? i do not know what it is like. you do not eat well, there are rats living with you, it is horrible. they said you need to recant and sharansky he was a jew that wanted to be sent out of russia so he could practice everything he believed in. they said make a little confession. galileo made a confession. he is the one who said the earth goes around the sun and not the

sun around the earth, he ultimately recanted. sharansky said, if they use galileo against me, they will not use me against any other prisoner of conscience. so they finally released him, and they put him on the bridge that separated the communist world from the free world, and they said walk down that bridge. he got on that bridge and he walked. when i think about that and think about our country, i think we are so important. we have to carry all that we think is fair. >> is the president doing that? gov. kasich: i think there are too many vacuums being created. i think when putin overreached and tried to kill these people

in london, the whole western world is becoming united. we have thrown out the diplomats, they have thrown out the diplomats, but there is much more we can do with imposing sanctions. this is a bright spot, a terrible tragedy, but a bright spot that is bringing a lot of people to the west together again. and thank god. what is preventing us from coming together is money. the oligarchs have so much money in london. now people are starting to say there is something more important than money and it is values. and i'm glad to see it. 9 there is talk about the president receiving vladimir putin in the oval office, would you do that? gov. kasich: receive him to do what? i would not do that. you want to have a dialogue with russia. he will have a dialogue with china but there are limits. i can get along with you, but there are certain limits that cannot be crossed.

i do not think we are anywhere near a meeting with putin in the oval office. >> new hampshire, like ohio, has been hard hit by the opioid crisis. what has the response been in ohio? gov. kasich: look, we're finally getting on top of this. it has been a struggle. i met with the governor today , and he is right where i am. i want to praise him that he is teaching people about trauma. if you have someone in your business who is a drug addict and recovering, you have to be patient. this is a human being we can get that we might be able to get on their feet. i like that about him. in ohio, what we have done, instead of jamming stuff through, we have observed, and

.ow we have moved expeditiously the adults cannot get a prescription for more than 10 days at a time. we are telling distributors what they can do. where are we? the same place where you are in new hampshire. in ohio, we are down 30% in the number of doses prescribed. 30%. that is unbelievable. you used to be able to go to the dentist and get four oxycontin. now you cannot. we have seen the doses come down , and we have a six-year low in deaths from prescribed opiates.

here it is the illegal drug called fentanyl. this stuff will kill you if you touch it. what we're finding in the drug problem is cocaine and heroin -- laced with fentanyl -- is killing people. governor sununu and i can stop people from being prescribed but when they go to the street corner -- when people are depressed or hopeless, some can grow through that, but some others are sort to ways in which to escape and that can involve these drugs. and that is why we are kind of all in this together. progress is being made. i do not think the press always reports it because it is not something you really report, because you keep thinking the

crisis is worse and worse, when actually progress is being made, and we should celebrate some of the progress being made. i cannot figure out who wants to go to a street corner and wants to buy drugs with these poisons that can kill you. it is amazing to me. prof. lesperance: on the prescription side, have you have found pharmaceutical companies who step forward and work with you, medical professionals? gov. kasich: some of the companies have been willing to give money to help, but i am told that the distributors are saying, well, can we wait until there are federal rules and federal regulations, and this is hard. my answer is no, we are not waiting. sorry. forget it. it did not sound like a lot of civility there.and these are don't get me wrong. i am not a marshmallow. the answer to that is, in some cases yes and in some cases, not

as much as we would like. that is kind of thing deal. prof. lesperance: before you go let's talk about daca. , you have alluded to that a bit. the president in a tweet said daca is dead. gov. kasich: mm-hmm. on easter. prof. lesperance: he blamed it on democrats that they did not care or act -- gov. kasich: that is a joke. prof. lesperance: daca and the wall, where are you? gov. kasich: we want to protect our border. we are all for that. it is sensible to control our border. i do not think there are caravans of hondurans coming into the country right now. not that i have heard. has anyone heard about caravans of hondurans coming through the border? but with daca, look, i was talking to a friend of mine, and he said what are you so worked up about. i cannot remember which of my friends i was talking to, but think of it this way -- your son

or daughter, say your son goes to college and he meets a dreamer, a girl brought here at the age of 6 who is now 26. your son married her and they have two children. and now she is told -- she has been here, she went and got educated, she has a job, and she is a great participant. she is told she is going to be shipped out of the country, and your son says to you -- what should i do? should my wife leave the country? kids leave the country? do i have to leave the country? he said i never thought of it this way. this is absurd.

i do not blame donald trump. i think they could do this in an hour if they wanted. will it get worked out? it could get worked out some how -- and i hope so. what i don't like about it is it was on easter sunday. look, you have got to give people hope. it is easter and you wake up and find out, i'm going to be shipped out. come on. leaders do not do that. prof. lesperance: one of the primary jobs of a governor is to in any state is to make sure their elections are safe and fair -- hacking was involved -- gov. kasich: i do not think there is any idea in anybody's mind that it was objective. of course they were involved, and they have been involved in sowing dis -- here is the interesting thing that we need to understand. the russians do not work to divide us. we are already divided.

they just provide some high-octane fuel to take advantage of our divisions. think about that. it would be one thing if they were dreaming stuff up. they are dreaming stuff and feeding us to not like one another. prof. lesperance: i agree with you. i think that most -- gov. kasich: we need a good cyber policy. we do not have a good cyber policy. we do not have a very good offensive strategy. in government, they divide everything and put it in silos , and it is about turf and ego. we need a leader to change that. it is about cyber policy. something to say about the election here soon, and what we can do, but today is not the day. i have to release it once i have all of my ducks in a row. prof. lesperance: is it fair to say you think we have not done enough? gov. kasich: i am not sure. i'm concerned about the possibility of hacking.

aren't you? prof. lesperance: yes. gov. kasich: you are the first person i asked a question, you answered. thank you. give that man a degree. these reporters ask you all these sensitive questions, and then you ask the question, and they are like waita minute, i am doing the question. not with me you are not. we have fun. in the back with cnn. give her a round of applause. she is a great reporter. [applause] gov. kasich: speaking of news, you know the first thing that authoritarians try to do to consolidate their power, what do you think they do? they control the news. ok, my friends, a lot of my friends do not like the "new york times." a lot of my friends do not like fox news. nobody likes any of the stuff,

ok. but you know what? thank god we have freedom of the press. i may not like what they write. i may not like what they report, but thank god they are doing it. we do not want this to be weakened. these attacks on the press are not good. these attacks on our basic institutions, the fbi, i mean, look, there are people who make mistakes and do bad things that every organization, but these institutions are important to our country. and we can't just dismantle the. what are we going to put in their place? think about it please. prof. lesperance: there are two questions every political figure gets asked. the first i ask you -- are you running for president? do you want to change your answer? [laughter] gov. kasich: no.

i heard the sap is not running in maine, though. [laughter] prof. lesperance: the second question, are you committed to preserving new hampshire's first in the nation status -- gov. kasich: we have to go to iowa first. just kidding, iowa. here is the thing i love about this state. this is what i like to come back -- it is like the x-ray machine for the country. they poke you, they smell you, they push you, they question you -- i spoke to one guy and said, you been to my four town halls, what do you think? he said, i'm just getting started. the thing that is so great about it is a purple state. the people are smart. i did 100 town meetings. the people were great. people were kind.

i went to see joe mcquade today, the manchester union leader, and people said how did the meeting go? it was great. it had nothing to do with what he would ultimately do, but it was a nice meeting. he was polite. it is just such a great place, and you have to sell yourself , and you have got to know what you are doing, because you do not go for fools. well, most of the time. [laughter] prof. lesperance: i feel like there should be a follow-up to that. gov. kasich: no, you have had your questions. prof. lesperance: this is new hampshire. let's invite the audience. are there any questions for the governor? yes. if you would wait for a microphone to come to you. >> excellent. first off, as an iowa native, born and raised, i love your bit about that. excellent. gov. kasich: what are you doing here? >> i work here. i am a proud employee of new england college. my question relates to education

and specifically charter schools. i know in 2016, the government froze a $70 million grant to the state of ohio for charter schools. i am curious about what steps you think are needed to provide systeman accountability to provide parents and students with a viable and productive option where the united states government can justify giving them tens of millions of dollars. at what point can you do the same for public education? gov. kasich: first of all, i'm for charters and choice, that is a given. but we are not going to walk away from the public schools. here is the challenge. we did not even get into this today. i have talked to people who felt they had been left behind.

do you know what is coming? do you know what the digital revolution is bringing? new hampshire is a cool state. b.a.e. systems. very advanced. i mean very advanced. that is technology. you understand technology in this state. what is going to happen with artificial intelligence, autonomous vehicles -- the number one job in america is driving. what do you think happens to all those people who drives, who will not be driving anymore because of autonomous vehicles? that is really a question. what happens to those folks who are there? by the way, one of the things i like about autonomous vehicles is i have never seen a computer comb its hair, text talk on a , cell phone. so the idea of autonomous vehicles can save many lives. my parents were killed by a drunk driver. if that was an autonomous

vehicle, the computers do not drink. we have a ways to go but this is around the corner. i want to talk about ai in a the insurance field. they going to replace a lot of people doing calculations. i was at an airport with my friend doug, and we went to order a drink and everything there was nobody to order it from. everything gets ordered off of a screen. there was one person to tell me what to push on the screen, but there used to be four or five people working there. this is going to be across the board. there is going to be much disruption. at the same time, i believe there will be jobs that will flow from it. with your smartphone, it breaks down where you go. you go most of the time to the apple store, and there are people there trained to fix your phone. we did not have people doing that 10 years ago. new jobs will come from this.

we don't quite know what they are. i can tell you about walmart. walmart is taking 80,000 people from their walmart stores and teaching them how to do home delivery. it is a whole different job. it is a whole different thing. we have to ask businesses -- what is going to change with your new employees? what is your responsibility to train your workers there today , and what is the job of the education system to train people? because of people do not think they have hope, they are going to be worse off than they are today. let's start with k-12 education. k-12 education to me is the most difficult thing to reform. what you need to do with k-12 is you have to get kids out of the classroom and into businesses that have various experiences. if you're interested in law, go

work with a law firm. if you are interested in medicine, go work in a doctor's office. you begin to see what your passions are so you acquire acquire skills at the same time you are educated that relate to what your passions are. so you can get a job. the same is true with community colleges. our community colleges are providing four-year degrees in areas the universities will not touch, and it will be at a fraction of the cost. they will come out of that with great skills. if you go to the university and graduate with computer science, and you get hired by apple, what do you think happens when you go to apple? what do you think they do? they train you in computer science. why aren't they training you in computer science when you are already at the university? the whole education system needs to be changed, and we are running out of time. and education, training, it needs to be lifelong. it should be part of your job. constantly learning, constantly

improving your skills, and it sounds a little daunting to us who thought you get a job, you worked there for 40 years, he you retired -- it is not going to be that way. these students, they expect this. don't you? or do you not? good answer. they need to be given the tools, so when we talk about s.t.e.m. or s.t.e.a.m., which should include art as well. we used to think about educating people to be problem solvers, not just to learn this wrote stuff but to be problem solvers. where is the breakdown? hard to change the schools to do this. many of the schools in my state are doing this, because i talk about it constantly.

the four-year schools not so great. it has to be all of us understanding this because skill is what is going to give you security. if this job does not work, you will be in this job and that is the way you have to think about it. doctor, what do they call these people who come in and rate your courses? a crediting agency? why don't we have accrediting agencies that are made up of businesses that will hire people? there is a sense at universities you are there to get broad skills and great philosophies. i'm also there to have skills. the more we can integrate businesses in more of these sectors, the better we are going to do as a nation. this is a big deal. bigger than charter schools. it is bigger than that.

and we'reup here, making progress. i did not think we were, and now i am starting to feel good about it. sorry i did not answer your question, but that is what i wanted to say. prof. lesperance: right behind you. memberrnor, as a former of congress, that worked to help pass the federal budget, i am curious on your take on recent tax cuts and spending bills. and if you were back in congress, what is the first thing you would do to reduce -- how would you get both parties to work on reducing the national deficit? gov. kasich: we did this in 19 -- i do not remember what year it was. >> 1991, 1992. gov. kasich: were you there, chris?

john? we put republicans and democrats in a room and said let's cut a penny out of every dollar in federal spending, and we came within four or five votes for getting that done. that set the stage for the balanced budget. from the beginning of america until 1992 -- i'm sorry, it was not until 1982 that we accumulated the first trillion dollars in debt. 1982. our national debt today is over $21 trillion, and the bill that just passed is going to increase it for the next 10 years by an -- if left alone -- by an additional trillion every year. why do we care about that? because as debt goes up, jobs go down. as the government does more of this, it takes money from the private sector that has to

invest and reinvest. this is really bad, but nobody cares. the deal they just passed in washington, they had a great party. the democrats get everything they wanted, and the republicans got everything they wanted, they did not shut the government down, they declared a victory, and they went home. the tax bill. john and i were talking about this last night. i think it was a good bill with , but they need to find out a way to offset the tax cuts. republicans and democrats went together, and they were like butch custody and the sundance kid, and they jumped off the cliff together and got it done. bill bradley was one of the leaders in the senate. there's not any of that going on anymore. what would i do? i want to be there. i do not need to be there. i was there for a long time, but it is about having leaders who say "enough."

sometimes you just have to say "i am not going along." if i am in the senate, i'm going to filibuster or block something. i will tell you an interesting story. we talked about this last night. my daughters are 18. they were born in 2000. quick math. this is great. so, one of them got rsv. i don't know if you know -- who knows rsv? that is a breathing disorder. one of my daughters went into children's hospital. i went down to the hospital, and i spent a couple of days sleeping down there, and the accommodations were terrible. you want to find out what is going on in a hospital and you talk to nurses. i said what is going on, and the nurses said we do not get any money from the federal government. the teaching hospitals get everything because they are teaching, and we do not get anything in the children's

hospital. how much do theywe leave that mr at night. i went to my leadership and said i need $150 million and john was in the middle of this, i said $150 million for the children's hospital. they said i do not have the money to give you. you spend a trillion dollars on the defense department building bombs and you cannot give me $150 million for the children's health hospital. every night i will go down to the well of the house and make a speech that republicans do not care about children. they got so angry at me. the whole place blew up. over time, guess what? i got my $150 million. people do not want to do that today. they want to ask permission. it is so bizarre. i can tell you that there are times in my legislature -- i'm very proud of my legislature because they are changing the

way we draw congressional districts. they are saying, the majority cannot draw them, there has to be a significant influence in the minority. it is fantastic. you work with them, work with them, work with them, leaders in administration and you try to get there. we have seen dramatic improvement. i think what we are missing are those people who say i do not care if i am a republican or democrat, i'm worried about my country and this is what i am going to do. but it is hard. why do politicians not do it? because we are human beings and we like to be important. each and every one of us. maybe -- do you like to be important, carol? >> sure. >> we all do. i want to be important but if everything we do is designed to make us important, we have lost

the bigger picture because before we know it, you, as long -- as young as you are -- i am saying, it is hard to give up the microphone. it is a challenge. if you let your ego take control of you and we all do. maybe some days we do better than others and we need more people willing to put it on the line. doug was here. he was a big shot in the legislature. did a great job. dupont is here. did a great job. they come and they all go. you have been seeing them come and go since abraham lincoln. [laughter] we admire the people who can do their job. those are the ones we end up respecting and it does not mean

because you stand up for something that is easy. you would not believe how much i get hammered -- i have a friend who hammers me because he gets to dinner every day and people yell at him because he knows the. i'm serious. it is hard for him. i don't like it. i am ok with it. he is not. i don't know. what i am saying is. any other questions? yes? >> i'm concerned about how you have to be wealthy or well-connected to run for office these days. do you support campaign-finance reform? gov. kasich: i am for anything that can change the system that is going to make sense and is sustainable. i think big money matters too much in politics, but we have to figure out how it is going to work.

were you involved with mccain? >> [inaudible] [laughter] gov. kasich: any system that we can come up with that will level the playing field but i want to disabuse you of this. my father was a mailman. you do not have to be rich in -- rich and connected to run. money matters but that is not all that matters. i have the least amount of money in this presidential thing but -- we were able to work it out. money matters but it is not the end of it all. any finance system that makes sense, i would before. yes ma'am? yell like you're yelling at your kid. >> you and i have met each other a couple times. talking about the challenges our country is facing right now -- i think the challenge we face that is going to cause the greatest long-term

damage potentially for our country is essentially a white house led assault on the first amendment. i worry deeply about the attack on an open press and free speech. as a former chairman of our party, i think we have a particular responsibility at this point in time to do something about that. to speak up, to stand up. i'm not sure what it is we are supposed to do. i'm not looking to pick a fight with the president tonight but he is a republican president. he carries our party's name. what should we do? gov. kasich: i did it here before you asked the question. i'm very concerned about the assault on the press and the assault on the press where it is all fake news. you wrote something i do not agree with, that is fake. that is what i'm talking about, about, this drift into a post-truth environment.

this sounds like philosophical and it is but it is also really serious. when we cannot distinguish what israel and what is not -- a friend of mine sent me any -- sent me email, or i guess it was a text, -- a text saying that in ai, the technology is able to create video and news that look exactly like the truth and it is all phony. we have to be objective. we have to figure out truth and the falsehoods and we have to talk about it. this sounds boring to me but every person is a king or queen in their own neighborhood and we have to be heard. who are you counting on? you want to call on somebody in some other town -- i'll tell you what -- rely on washington, they will fix this --why don't we do something? all we can do.

i look at a lot of this change that we need the same way i think of my daughter's relay race. i run as far as i can with the baton and hand it off to somebody else. there is no easy answers to this. we dug ourselves in to this. go all the way back. think about how we were fighting , it is accelerated over and over. it is not just politics. what do you think about wells fargo? we have a lot of loss of this virtue in many parts of our culture today. we will not get here overnight and we will not get it back overnight. we have to make a difference how wever we can. why am i here? why do i travel around and talk about this? because i'm doing the best i can to have my voice out there. for some reason, i have a podium

i am willing to use. sometimes people don't understand it but i'm going to do it. yes? ambassador. i never knew you were ambassador. you must have got that because of your wife. [laughter] >> two weeks ago, chris and i were in philadelphia with 48 other members of congress. 191 has signed a declaration to fix the problem we are talking about here this evening. 25 of us were democrats, 25 were republicans and we call ourselves the reformers. i spoke about the six pillars that washington set out in his farewell address -- that address all of the things in your talk he was concerned about 222 years ago when he left office. i would encourage you to take a look at the reformers and join

us. i think it is an important group who are serious about making the kind of corrections the country is facing today. i would leave you with this feeling. or this idea. washington talked about national unity, the elimination of partisanship and adversarial engagement between the parties. he did not say we cannot disagree, he said do it as you say, to solve problems. he said we need ethical foundation that allow for religious freedom but those values are what we build our society around and that we educate everybody to possess, as he called it, it was a responsible public opinion. and then he said we need to or keeph public credit ourselves from going too far in to debt and promote peace and

harmony around the world. these are the kinds of issues and the values this country re-emphasize and they came from our founder's mouth, george washington. gov. kasich: this is what i am trying to say. you said it better than i did. it is an overview. it is not down here in the fighting ranks and the trenches. it is a bigger thing. i have actually found -- it is not that i have not had challenges but i've not found being governor of the seventh largest state, 11.5 million people to be difficult. there are difficult things that happened -- there are lots of challenges -- but when you have an overview or a way in which you can make decisions, it is pretty darn easy. when you cut the politics out

and think about -- what would i feel good about? then i think you can have success. i have had success in the state. iowa and 86 out of 88 counties, -- i won 86 out of 88 counties. i didn't hear people down. you have to figure out how to mediate an appeal to the better angels of the people around you. washington is a great example. one of the greatest things about washington was -- he said i am done. --when they ask who is your favorite president, i always say washington. it is politically easy and it is right. [laughter] what the hell. >> let's have one more question. gov. kasich: yell it out. about talk a lot tonight

our duty and many of the students are interested in a life of public service, either through criminal justice or politics. what advice would you give any student in the room interested in a life of service? gov. kasich: everybody on this earth, i believe, is created special, with special gifts and you have to find out what they are. maybe it is a life of public service and maybe it is public service in another way, not in the government. find your passion and use it. now, a lot of young people want to get into politics because it is the closest thing to hollywood. i want to go down to washington and all this stuff. that is fine. the minute you enter that city, you better write down on a piece of paper and tell somebody when you are leaving because people can get sucked into that place for a lifetime only to wake up

one day and everything they invested is gone. i told one of my daughters, i said, you are going to change the world and maybe you will be in politics. what do you think about that? she said daddy, i'm going to make my money first. [laughter] one of the most important things is for people to be able to control their own lives and not be under anybody else's thumb. so, if is what you want to do, it go do it. do not be shy. you have lots of people in this state who would love to meet you. and to talk to you. the ambassador here would love to talk to you about how you do things. you know john sununu. , john is terrific. a guide to sit down with, call him up and asked, can you talk to me? . you can get to them. let me tell you one last story. i went to ohio state from pittsburgh. my father carried mail on his

back. i got there and we had 40,000 students at ohio state. i lived in a dormitory with 15 college roommates. there were 16 of us in this suite. there were things that happened and i did not like it. i asked with a meeting with the -- i asked for a meeting with the president of the university. i was always told by my uncle to take it all the way to the top. i kept bugging them and i got in. i went in to see the president. i launched my complaint and i looked around at the office and was pretty impressed. i said, i am here about one month and i do not know what i want to do. but i like your office, maybe this is the job for me. [laughter] i said, what do you do? [laughter] the president told me about their academic and financial responsibilities and he said, tomorrow i'm going to fly to washington and have a meeting with president nixon.

this was in 1970 and i said -- you know there are a number , of things i would like to talk to him about also. can i go with you? [laughter] he said you cannot. , i said if i write a letter, will you give it to the president? he said, yes, i can. i went back to my dorm and wrote a letter to nixon telling him how i thought he was doing and i signed it p.s., if you like to discuss this further, let me know. i got a letter from the white house a couple of weeks later and i called on the phone, i said, mom i need a airline ticket, the president wants a meeting with me in the oval office. and my mom said, pick up the phone, there's something wrong with johnny. [laughter] they bought me a ticket, i flew to washington, i went to the oval office and they told me i was going to get five minutes alone with the president. that was cool. five minutes alone.

i'm 18 years old. first-quarter freshman and i'm meeting with the president of the united states. you think that is cool? five minutes. i'm thinking, new jacket, and a shirt, new pants. i'm not coming out in five minutes. i walked in and i shook hands with the president and sat at his desk. the good news is i spent 20 minutes in the oval office with the president. the bad news is, in the 18 years i was in congress, i never had that much time. i peaked at the age of 18. i should've gone into farming. thank you very much. good to be with you. [applause] >> thank you all for coming. [applause] [indistinct conversation]

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>> what sense do you get from people as you travel around? gov. kasich: it is always easy for people to say, do this, do that. i don't know what i am going to do. i know it is hard to believe, i do have a political operation i want to keep alive. all i can say is, i do not want to take options off because i do not know what is going to happen. i am not in some deep planning mode about this strategy or tactics. i'm just not doing that. that is a boring answer but that is the way it is. speaking a red flag proposal in ohio. gov. kasich: we have five different proposals which involve bump stocks, improving the reporting system, making sure the local governments

report -- there are five of them. they are significant. are the biggest system and the red flag bill. i'm hopeful we can pass that. if we do that we will be the leaders in the red states. i'm optimistic today we can achieve something significant. >> do you think gun control should be state-by-state basis? gov. kasich: federal law says you cannot have an automatic weapon. the feds are saying you should not be able to change a semiautomatic weapon into a full automatic weapon. what is most important is, you don't want to disrespect anybody. people who have their guns believe deeply that there doesn't need to be any changes. the problem is the person and not the gun. i can understand that. when someone is unbalanced or the system doesn't work or a

felon is able to get their hands on a gun -- nobody should be for that. these are reasonable proposals. i put it together. that is what i think we ought to do. thate that the pressure has been put on lawmakers across the country does not go a. i think -- does not go away. i think the pressure could ease and we could go back to doing nothing. in my state, i'm not going quietly on this. i am more optimistic that we can get something done. i really want to complement the speaker of the house in ohio, cliff rosenberger, is really stepping up and trying to do some good things. he has got good heart. >> you talk about the objective -- [inaudible] the people on the far right, can you not work with them? are so many there people i feel our objective, i will spend my time and priorities with them.

if somebody is on the far right and they don't want to listen, i am not going to spend all my time trying to deal with that. maybe over time, things will be improved. it depends on the far right. some people have changed their religion for party politics. god bless you. i'm not going to spend my time there. i believe the extremes on both sides, the right and left, are not the ones that are going to bring us progress. that is people who more or less our objective. areho more or less, objective. >> [inaudible] gov. kasich: it was the first time i had been to friendly's in 20 years. i learned a lot of things here. one of the most important lessons is to slow down, share your heart, which i hope to do tonight. a great place to come. i love it, i will be back in

november. i've been asked by joe, the union leader to make a call on the 15th of november. i'm excited. i will be back sometime this summer, just for a day or two to enjoy myself. >> governor, even if it is not you, -- gov. kasich: in a year or so -- i am not here to plot. i'm thinking about myself. i'm not here to declare. thank you all. [indistinct conversation] [indistinct conversation] gov. kasich: good to see you. thank you. i got to go.

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