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he answered questions at new england college, including whether he plans to run for president in 2020. new hampshire holds the nations earliest presidential primary. [crowd noise] gov. kasich: hi.

[applause] ms. perkins: good evening, everyone. i am michelle perkins, president of new england college. i am there to welcome all of you and speak briefly before i turn over the event to our special speaker this evening, governor kasich. this is the final new england college president speaker series event of 2017-2018 academic year. a very special series event. and i am delighted to see you here this evening and to welcome our very special guest, ohio governor john kasich. [applause] thank you.: ms. perkins: governor kasich, we are pleased and honored to have you back on our campus. and judging by the size of

tonight's audience and the number of press representatives here this evening, it is fair to say new hampshire and the nation are very interested in hearing what you have to say. now let me tell you a little bit about the new england college president speaker series. it was founded in april of 2013 and brings together leaders from , the world of business, nonprofit, academia, arts, policy to the simon center room throughout the academic room to engage in lively conversation with students, faculty, staff, community. and the community. this is our fourth speaker event this year. -- and to the community. this is our fourth speaker event this year. last fall, we hosted two outstanding leaders. this february, we hosted former congressman and ambassador to denmark, richard swett, and i ck and his wife

katrina are with us this evening. [applause] tonight, we welcome governor john kasich to the new england college. gov. kasich: was he really and ambassador? is that true? [laughter] you are ambassador to denmark? i didn't know that appeared -- i didn't know that. i am impressed, i will have to show him more respect. he is a great guy. ms. perkins: he is, and we are delighted to have him here tonight. i want to take this moment to thank bruce for his assistance in bringing governor kasich to campus. bruce is a longtime friend of the governor, and i am pleased and proud to say an alumnus of new england college. [applause] ms. perkins: governor kasich is serving his second term as of

ohio's governor and he was a , 2016 presidential candidate, -- presidential candidate. prior to serving as governor, he was a member of congress from central ohio for 18 years. while in the house, the governor served as chairman of the house budget committee. he is also the author of four "new york times" bestsellers. they include "two paths: america united and divided." it reflected on his 2016 presidential campaign and hope for america's future. let me introduce you to our moderator. new england college dean of undergraduate residential programs and professor of political science, dr. wayne who will formally introduce the speaker and moderate this important conversation. wayne? [applause] prof. lesperance: thank you,

president perkins. good evening, everyone. again, my name is wayne lesperance, and i am the dean of undergraduate programs and professor of political science at the college. it is my pleasure to guide us through tonight's president lecture series with governor john kasich. we have an audience tonight full of very important people. rather than take the time to introduce each and every one of you because you know who you are, let's give you all a round of applause. [applause] prof. lesperance: now to -- now to introduce our guest. ohio state representative, member of the house of representatives, governor of ohio, candidate for president, and perhaps my favorite title, political science major. governor john kasich brings a rich record of public service to the people of ohio. in this current role, the governor's credited with leading ohio's comeback. specifically, he and his colleagues in columbus turned an $8 billion shortfall into a $2 billion surplus and cut taxes and have made ohio one of the top job-creating states in the

nation with over new jobs. 460,000while in congress, governor kasich was a chief architect of a last federal balance the budget. as chairman of the house budget committee, he led the effort to balance the federal budget for the first time in a decade. he also served 18 years on the house armed services committee. outside of politics, he has had successful careers as an investment banker, "new york times" best-selling author, and host of his own shows on fox news. please join me in welcoming to the new england college, the governor of ohio, john kasich. [applause] prof. lesperance: here we go. gov. kasich: can i just mention, two of my friends are here. senator sununu served the state great and he will again some day. how about a round of applause for john sununu? [applause] gov. kasich: and the indomitable former congressman from the state of connecticut, christopher shays. chris, stand up, let them see you. [applause]

gov. kasich: they helped me get the budget done, they were both on the committee and it was an amazing time. prof. lesperance: governor, welcome to new england college. let's jump right in. welcome to new hampshire. judging by the turnout in this room, as president perkins noted, the buzz that accompanies your visit and the presence of our friends from the back of the room, let's begin with the question on everyone's mind. governor kasich are you running , for president? gov. kasich: that is like dan rather asking ted kennedy, "why do you want to be president?" he froze and that was the end of it. i don't know what i am going to do. i have nine months left as governor and i received really good news today about progress , we are making on reasonable reform of gun laws. i am very excited about it. we are all second amendment advocates, but we also think there are things we need to do to bring about gun safety in our

state. and i received good news today. and i will be shining some shoes when i get home tonight. you know, what i am trying to do is be the best governor i can be. i mean, this is going to sound like politics. by the way, shays and sununu justtold me, could you take your answers short? so i am trying to be the best governor and i am trying to be a voice that brings about stability and objectivity in our country, and unifying. and i have decided, as i look at the landscape, that the far right and the far left, god bless them, but, they are not the ones that i am going to be able to change. maybe not right now. so i look for those folks who are people who can be objective,

and who can look at truth, and then can have a civil discussion about how we address the problems that we have in our country. the people on the far right, many of them feel as though they have been taken advantage of, ripped off and ignored. it does not mean we ignore them. but i think as a community, we need to address their problems. and we cannot allow them to call themselves victims. victims are people who have a very hard time being able to get up on their feet. and we do not want victimhood. victimhood leads to anger, and anger never leads to anything good. but in the process, i think that in order to help them, we have to figure out those people objective and who can understand the bigger part of life, which is, we all need to live a life a little bigger than ourselves. on the left, there's a lot of anger, and these are folks who are sort of currently in a small war. so you have people on the right

that are furious, some claim victimhood nonetheless. no matter what the president does on the left, they hate it. we will not do well when we are polarized that much. so i just want to tell you this, this is very important to me. i have thought about this a long time. and i have to do this so that shays does not get mad i went on too long. but i believe that, you do not have to believe the way i do, but i believe that the virtues that represent our foundation, which is fundamentally a jewish and christian tradition, that those virtues that reflect our creator are written on our hearts. if we move too fast, or if we feel we are the victim or angry or whatever, it is easy to ignore those deep-seated principles on our hearts. and what are they? they are justice and forgiveness.

they are about humility, they are about compassion. and these are the things that really matter. and if in fact we can slow our toes down, we can begin recapture these these issues where we are fighting with each other. and if we can have an overriding view of what we believe, we can mediate those issues. the most important thing, in my view in this country, this is why i love new hampshire, is what happens here. the town halls. the little meetings in the communities where we get together to try to push things up. so we need to push things up, but we need to have people at the top, people like my friend john sununu, people like my friend christopher shays, who are willing to get out of their comfort zones to meet those issues that reflect our virtues, and be able to create progress

in our society. that is what i want to talk about. i am tired of debating these little issues because all we do is fight. and we need to somehow get above them and begin to solve those issues by having an overall philosophy that allows us to draw conclusions as to what our responsibility is. i am just going to give you one example. if we believe that injustice, and if we believe in compassion, then there would be no reason why we would take somebody who was brought to this country at the age of six, who is now 26, with a spouse and children, and announce to them one day that we are shipping you out. to me, that is not justice. that is not compassion. [applause] gov. kasich: we can't just deal with this from a standpoint of,

it sounds good but how do we get , through to those who feel as though they are getting justice by shipping them out. and if we can spread this, if we can all do this where we live, i think we can have some major breakthroughs. and we see it in times of crisis, whether it is las vegas where people put themselves in , the way of bullets to protect people. they never asked what party they were in, with their philosophy was. where they took dinghies and rescue people off people off of trees and roofs. those are the times we say we are together, and we need to achieve that again. and it will take time. prof. lesperance: i think the american people would agree with you. we hear this all the time, the word civility, or civil. that is something we see more and more folks concerned about. the title of your book is " two paths -- america divided or united." we certainly spend time in the on what divides

us as a nation. but i have two questions. the first one is, is it worth the time to talk about how we got to where we reward the lack of civility in the public square? gov. kasich: what we have now and what we are seeing now is a manifestation of what has been building up in this country for a long time. look, i understand people who feel ripped off. i come from a town outside of pittsburgh, blue-collar, never even met a republican until i went to college. it was a town where, if the wind that blew the wrong way, people found themselves out of work. and i can remember people in the community saying, quote, "that is not fair." and the issue is, what do we do about it? i happen to believe that if somebody is down, do they just -- well, let's think about what we see in the basketball games. when somebody gets knocked down, you ever notice how the teammates pick them up? i would kind of like to see the

other team picked them up, but i guess that is against the rules and basketball now, but when somebody is down, we all have to pick them up. when somebody celebrates, we should have a little bit of celebration. i think what has happened is we have grown apart from each other and are taking care of our own issues and have too much of the forgotten, that i am my brother's keeper. i think there is a rage or an anger that is underpinning all of this. now here's the thing, two ways to deal with it, two paths. when i was up here i could've walked into a room and talked to -- and walked into a town hall and enrage them. or i could walk into a town hall and say i got your problem, let's see what we can do about it. if i enrage them, and drive-in deeper and drive people farther apart, that is called negative populism. but if i can figure out a way to give people a sense of hope that we are all in this together, to quote a former president, "i

feel your pain," then we begin to give a sense that tomorrow might be a better day. there are too many people in america think tomorrow will not be a better day, and they have been told tomorrow will not be a better day because you took my stuff. you came into my country and you took my stuff, and therefore i am a victim, and i am going to deal with this, ok? that doesn't work in our country. it is a process whereby we begin to melt down. prof. lesperance: does it concern you, if you think back to the 1980's, whether you like d him or not what everybody said , about ronald reagan was that he was the eternal optimist. and now we have a president to many would describe uses language that is divisive and confrontational. gov. kasich: i didn't go to the convention. to the young people who are here, i didn't go to the

convention in my own state, when i held the convention there. and i never endorsed the guy because of that language. it wasn't because i was mad at him, or anything else. and i have got to tell you, i have taken a lot of heat and gotten a lot of criticism for it. it is ok. me, these people tell people help you for 20 years and now you have abandoned them. i'm sorry about that but i have to do what i have to do. i'm not that great, i'm just a guy trying to do my job. as i like to say, i'm just a slob on the bus trying to get home. that is all i am. i'm going to do the best i can though, at doing the best i can, failing, falling all of the time. i guess what i am suggesting is, this has been happening over time and nobody has been able to come to the rescue. and we need to realize that. heneker,community of

the only town in the world of that name, i bet you come to inr neighbor's rescue eerie your community, the only town in -- those virtues are written on our neighbor's hearts. down in georgia, this kid said i drove all over the place to come and see you. can i have a hug? you realize we are all connected. when we speed up, we override all that. this message is not some easy sound bite for people to hear. i want to change the dialogue and the message. this message is not some easy sound bite for people to hear. but i don't care. i'm not in that sound bite world. i just want to change the dialogue and the message. what of the other issues you would agree with his public service.

and your book and here last year at a town hall meeting, you told a great story about richard nixon, about you meeting richard nixon. one of our core values at new england college is engagement. we take very seriously our job of preparing citizens. part of the engagement is the call to public service. tell us about your path to service. how do you continue to convince young people today, given everything happening around them, to continue down that path? i think young people today are fantastic. they learned from us baby boomers how not to do things. they take a job that pays less but has more meaning. i told this story earlier today. my chief of staff has two daughters and they listen to this thing at 9:00 on, who is here? who can tell me? ? what is it called? hq.

she said her daughters, they all play hq every night at 9:00. because they all work together. and she said to her daughters, why don't you use your cell phone, i use my cell phone and we will have a little competition. and they looked at her like she was nuts, because they believe in cooperation. they are neither republican nor democrat, they are free and floating out here. and i kind of think of the political parties as two great department stores in downtown manchester. one is red and one is blue and the customer show up and neither has anything to offer, so guess what happens? saying, inials are don't like either of those so you had better give me something i like. that creates a dynamism inside of our country that to me is exciting. i believe in the gen exers and so these millennials. have you seen them on television, the last couple of weeks? have you see more mature,

grown-up people? and shame on the adult attacking -- the adults attacking them. they are incredible people and they give us hope. there is a show on hbo, can anyone remind me what the name of it was. dog, are you up there? maybe nobody remembers. but these on people came in gen , x'ers came in to interview me and we were talking about an issue. and i said i don't know if i can get that done, and they said why not? i said it is not possible. and they said, what do you mean it is not possible? they made me look bad in the interview but i learned something. never give up on the impossible. that is why these young people give me hope. i give out these courage awards every year at my state of the state. think it was actually arnold's

suggestion to me when he was governor of california. so i gave three of them out and i want to tell you about two of them. one was wereeuro boy whose parents in prison, and in out, on drugs. his grandmother told him for christmas i will give you $300 to buy an xbox. this 10-year-old boy said, grandma, i would love to have an xbox but can we just go buy some blankets for people who are living in a homeless shelter? i gave him a medal. 10 years old another lady in -- 10 years old. and then there was another lady there, and she was in las vegas giving emergency treatment to the people who were shot at the concert out in las vegas. she gave cpr, helped load people in the ambulances as she walked around in an ocean of blood. you talk about public service. she got a medal too. yes, you can go into public

service, going to government. but if you're going to go into public service, do not go in namby pamby. we are sick of politicians, namby-pamby. get out of your comfort zone. go out and be somebody. that is what shays did his entire career, he was a leader. if they took him down, they took him down. right, chris? but you do not have to be in public life to make a big difference where you are and the , same holds true for john. these are terrific people. host: let's dig a bit deeper on parkland. that is an issue on the minds of americans everywhere. what is your message to those young people from parkland, florida, and across the country who are speaking their own truth , to power? what is your message to

and responsible gun owners who want to see their second amendment rights safeguarded? gov. kasich: i did two things, the first one is the issue of police and the community. how do we convince the community that they will not be preyed upon, and how do we convince the community that law enforcement officers want to go home at night to their families. we had two police officers in my hometown of westerville, and you heard about it, who were gunned down going to a domestic violence 911 hangup call. and i've never seen such an outpouring like i saw in my community, honoring police officers. at the same time i think it is , important that the community is also heard. so i brought law enforcement, street activists, liberals,

everybody you can imagine into a room and said, let's see if we can reach some kind of agreement on what the rules would be. there was never such an odd gathered, and they came back with a unanimous recommendation about data collection, and ultimately where we are going to go is an integration, and integration of police and the community. and in urban areas this is really, really important, for people to understand one another, respect one another and work with one another. that was the first thing. after las vegas, i thought that we should really do more to work on guns. and i said we have to bring those second amendment people who think there should be no change in any way. but i have to get a group of people who are second amendment activists but think there are reasonable limits to second amendment. and i got them into a room.

and i asked them for five recommendations, not political, five recommendations. and i begged them. my mother used to say when she made potatoes, there was a little whistle coming out of the pressure cooker. and i said mom, what is that whistle? and she said, johnny, if the pressure does not come out, the lid will explode. that is where this issue is. there are reasonable accommodations we can make. a good one and a big one is this. if we find there is somebody in your family or someone who is a neighbor or schoolmate and we , think they are unstable and pose a threat to themselves or others, that you have the ability to go to law enforcement, then a court, and the weapons they are in possession of can be taken. i think that is entirely reasonable and i think we're going to see things like that

pass. but we have to be careful because we do not want to , denigrate the people who believe that firmly in the while at the same time having second amendment, some reasonable limits. so i have a package, and it is going to be introduced in the legislature and i'm confident about the ultimate outcome. if you have a dispute and you can get reasonable people in the room, not the people who cannot be reasonable but those who can be objective, you can solve many problems. in fact, i think most problems. host: is the state level where we should apply that energy? i think it's probably best for each state to do what they want to do. there may be some overall things. one thing we can all agree on is we should not have felons getting their hands on guns because we do not have a good reporting system. those are things i think the feds may be able to help with, but the states should begin in

given- states should be wide latitude on what they want to do. my state is different than new hampshire. so there should be some common standards, and there are right now, but fundamentally i think the states will have to find their way through this issue. gov. kasich: you paid a lot of attention to the military and foreign affairs. in 1998, former secretary of state madeleine albright said we are an indispensable nation. president trump's america first approach seems to be at odds with secretary albright's observation. what is your vision of america in the world? going toch: you're laugh, but i said to my wife the other day, we were out on a -- there is aid

country in africa where there is great poverty and great famine. and i mean we are born in , america. america, may be the same way i sometimes think about a family. when people here are taking care of their mothers or their fathers or their brothers or their sisters, sometimes in a family, people say, why do we have to do all this? what is an sister do blah blah blah? and you know what the answer is most of the time? because we are able. because we are able and we have a responsibility, and we have maybe been given more than some of the others in the family. i went to munich two years ago and met with these european leaders and all these things and , i will tell you what i found. you know how they want to kick us around?

it is how we fight with our parents, but boy we love them. boy, we love them. and they need us and they want us. so what are the things i think about? well i think when the left of , the pacific trade agreement and we left these tiny countries out there, fledgling countries that want us, i don't only think it was a economic mistake but a political mistake, a geopolitical mistake, because we left a vacuum. do you know the chinese, what they are all about? domination.ut there about a value system that is nothing like our value system. and anytime there is a gap, anytime there is a vacuum, they are going to fill it, and they are going to fill it in ways we do not like. so, are we right to say our trade agreements should be fair? absolutely right. should we have an expedited process to do with cheating?

absolutely. and the bureaucracy the deals with cheating right now is not good, and it should be reformed. but to walk away from trade? 40 million americans are engaged in trade. consumers benefit from competition. so if we just start unilaterally taking action, it is not going to be good long-term for us. it diminishes us. withdrawing from the paris accord on climate change, i do not agree with that. now we are trying to work through our reform of the agreement with iran. all the european countries have been with us on that and now they say, please do not withdraw. the president is pushing for another agreement on that. we do not want to withdraw and be alone. we have to protect our border but i would not be here if we did not have immigration. immigration is a strength, it is

diversity, it is energy, and i do not want to withdraw from that because it makes me withdraw from the world. and so i do not want america to shrink. i also think we should ask other people to be more personally responsible. so it is not one way or the other, but we have to realize the indispensable nature of the powerful, sweet, beautiful united states of america, and our influence around the world. it matters. and i remember back, i will never forget this. there is a lady that i met, i went to israel right after i was elected and i met a woman at lunch. and she said she was going to go to washington and i said, why, what are you going there for? her name was, i forget her first name but her last name was

shiranski. and she said my husband is , sitting in a soviet gulag and i want to talk to president reagan so that when he goes to the summit in reykjavik, he can raise the case of my husband, anatoly shiranski. she said, you do not know how much america matters. went to reykjavik, and raised the issue and ultimately, shiranski was released from that gulag. ranski. her met shi he wrote that when he was sitting in a soviet gulag, you know what that is like? you do not eat well, there are

rats living with you, it is horrible. they said you need to recant and he was a jew that wanted to be sent out of russia so he could practice everything he believed in. and they said to him, just make a little confession. galileo made a confession. you might recall that galileo recanted. he is the one who said the earth goes around the sun and not the son of around the earth. and he was condemned, and he recanted, and he ultimately regretted it and reversed himself, i believe. recanted, and this man shiranski said, if they use , galileo against me, they will not use me against any other prisoner of conscience. so they finally released him, and they put him on the bridge that separated the communist world from the free world, and they told him, you walk straight down that bridge. he got on that bridge and he walked. when i think about that and

think about our country, i think we are so important. we don't carry it all, but we have to care more than what we think is fair. host: is the president doing that? are kasich: i think there too many vacuums being created. i will say, i think we recently had a breakthrough. overreached, and put the nerve agent, and tried to kill these people in western -- kill these people in london, the whole western world is becoming united. we have thrown out the diplomats, they have thrown out the diplomats but there is much more we can do with imposing sanctions. but this is a bright spot, a terrible tragedy, but a bright spot that seems to be bringing a lot of people to the west together again. and thank god. what prevents us from coming together? money. the oligarchs have so much money in london. now people are starting to say and there is something more important than money and it is

values. and i'm glad to see it. there is talk about the present receiving vladimir putin in the oval office? would you do that? now?kasich: you mean receive him to do what? you want to have a dialogue with russia. he will have a dialogue with china but there are limits. there are limits to everything we do in life. and there -- i can get along and with you but there are certain limits that cannot be crossed. so i don't think we are anywhere near a meeting with vladimir putin in the oval office. host: new hampshire, like ohio, has been hard hit by the opioid crisis. what is your response? gov. kasich: we're finally getting on top of this. it has been a struggle. i met with governor sununu today, and he is right where i

am. i want to -- and i want to praise him for the notion that he is teaching people about trauma. if you have someone in your business who is a drug addict and recovering, you have to be patient. this is a human being we can get on their feet. you need them to work for you, and we need that, but there is something larger than that. i like that about him, and he and i talked and shared. in ohio, what we have done, instead of jamming stuff through, we observed and now we have moved expeditiously. and adults cannot get more than a seven-day supply of prescribed opiates, and children, not more than five days. and we have a connection between the pharmacies, the doctors, the medical board. we are now limiting what distributors can do. we are telling them what the rules are. if you see a suspicious order, you can report it. so where are we? the same place where you are in new hampshire.

in ohio, we are down 30% in the number of doses prescribed. 30%. that is unbelievable. because now, used to go to the dentist and did give you for oxycontin's. it was just not. so now we have seen the doses we have aand now six-year low in deaths from prescribed opiates. new hampshire is seeing the same thing, but here it is the illegal drug called fentanyl. in my state, troopers will not even go into a car where they suspected this stuff is, because it will kill you if you touch it. so what we are finding in the drug problem now is cocaine and fentanyl, andith it is killing people. i can't stop summit from going

on the street corner, but we do when people are down, or depressed, or they feel hopeless, what do they do? can grocer that, but many others, or some others, resort to ways in which to escape, and that involves these drugs. and that is why we are all in this together. but progress is being made. i do not think the press always reported because it is not , something you really report because you keep thinking the crisis is worse and worse when actually progress is being made . and we should celebrate some of the progress being made. i can't figure out who wants to go to a street corner and by street drugs that has this poison put into these drugs that can kill you. it is amazing to me. host: on the prescription side, you have found pharmaceutical companies who step forward and work with you, medical professionals? gov. kasich: i would say that some of the companies have been

willing to give money to help but i am told that the , distributors are saying, can we wait until there are federal rules and federal regulations ? and this is really hard. no.my answer is, we are not waiting. forget it. and these are does it did not sound like a lot of civility. don't get me wrong, i am not a marshmallow, ok? [laughter] the answer to that is, in some cases yes and in some cases, not as much as we would like. that is kind of thing deal. host: let's talk about daca. you have alluded to that a bit. the president in a tweet said daca is dead. gov. kasich: on easter. host: he blamed it on democrats, that they did not care or act. gov. kasich: that is a joke. host: so daca and the wall,

where are you on these? gov. kasich: we all want to protect our border. i do not think there are caravans of hondurans coming into our country right now, not that i have heard or read has anybody heard about caravans of hondurans coming in? but with daca, look, i was talking to a friend of mine and he said what are you so worked up about? i can't remember which of my friends i was talking to, but i said, think of it this way. your son or daughter, say your son goes to college and he meets a dreamer, a girl brought here at the age of 6 who is now 26. your son married her and they have two children. and now she is told, she has been here, she went and got educated, she has a job, she is a great participant, she is told she is going to be shipped out of the country and your son says, what should i do?

should my wife leave the country, should my kids leave the country, do i have to leave the country, what do i do? he said, i have not thought of it that way. this is absurd. and i do not blame donald trump just. they could do this in an hour if they want to do, down there. and i think chuck schumer abandoned rock up. don't even hear about a name -- abandoned daca. and i don't even hear about it anymore. will it get worked out? it could get worked out some how nad -- and i hope so. so, what i didn't like about it was it was on easter sunday. yep to give people hope. that doesn't make you give them also, but you give people hope. and on easter you wake up and find out, i'm going to be shipped out. come on. leaders don't do that. the primary jobs

of a governor of any state is to make sure the elections in their state are safe and fair. there is some debate about whether questions were resolved and hacking. gov. kasich: i don't think there is any idea in anybody's minds that they weren't involved. of course they were involved. and they have been involved in selling this. and here's the interesting thing that i think we need to understand. the russians do not work to divide us. we are already divided. they provide high octane fuel to take advantage of our divisions. think about that. i mean it would be one thing if , they were dreaming stuff up. they are dreaming stuff and feeding us to not like one another. host: i would agree with you. gov. kasich: we need a good cyber policy. we don't have a very good cyber policy. we do not have a very good offensive strategy.

we have divided cyber strategy, and in government, they divide everything and put it in silos and is about turf and ego. we need a leader to change that. but we also need a cyber policy. going to have something to say but the election soon, and what can we do, -- and what we can do, but i'm not going to release that today, until i have all my ducks in a row. host: the singly have not done enough? gov. kasich: i'm concerned about the possibility of hacking. aren't you? host: yes. gov. kasich: you are the first person i asked a question, you answered. thank you. give that man a degree. [applause] youe reporters, they asked the sensitive questions in the u.s. to them -- and then you estimate question and they say, i am asking the questions.

dana bash is in the back, from cnn. give her a run of applause, she is a great reporter. [applause] news, let me to say a few things about it. you know the first thing that doyou know the first thing that authoritarians try to do to consolidate their power, what do you think they do? they control the news. ok, so my friends, a lot of my friends do not like the "new york times." a lot of my friends do not like fox news. nobody likes any of this stuff, ok? but you know what? thank god we have freedom of the press. i may not like what they write. and i may not like what they report. but thank god they are doing it. we do not want this to be weakened. and these attacks on the press, they are not good. and these attacks on our basic institutions, the fbi, there are people who make mistakes and do bad things that every

organization, but these institutions are important to our country. we can't just dismantle them. what are we going to? put in their place -- what are we going to put in their place? so just think about it, please. host: there are two questions every political figure gets asked. are you running for president? do you want to change your answer? gov. kasich: no. i heard the sap is not running in maine, though. [laughter] host: the second question is just as important. are you committed to preserving new hampshire's status as first in the nation? gov. kasich: we have to go to iowa first. i spent a year there one week. [laughter] just kidding, iowa. here is the thing i love about this state. it is like the x-ray machine for the country. they poke you, they smell you,

they push you, they question you --i spoke to one guy and said, you've been to for my town halls, what do you think? he said, i'm just getting started, man. [applause] the thing about it is, this is a purple state. people are smart. people are smart. and i love coming here, i did when hundred 10 townhall meetings. it was just great. and the people were kind. i went to see joe mcquade, the "manchester union leader" and people said how did the meeting go? it was great. it had nothing to do with what he ultimately might do, but it was a nice meeting, he was polite. it is just such a great place but you have to sell yourself and know what you are doing. because you do not go for fools. well, most of the time.

[laughter] host: there should be a follow-up to that. this is new hampshire, so let's invite the audience. are there any questions for the governor? yes. if you would wait for a microphone to come to you. >> as an iowa native, born and raised, i love your bit about that. excellent. gov. kasich: what are you doing here? >> i work here. i and a proud employee of new england college. so my question relates to education and specifically charter schools. , the government toze a $70 million grant ohio for charter schools. what youurious about think about the need to create a viability system to provide

parents and students with an option where the united states government can justify giving them tens of millions of dollars. and at what point can you do the same for public education? all, i'mch: first of for charters and i'm for choice, and all of that. that is a given. but we are not going to walk away from the public schools. here is the challenge. and we didn't even get into this today. i have talked to people who felt they had been left behind. do you know what is coming? do you know what the digital revolution is bringing? you know new hampshire is a cool , state. bae systems. . danced, i mean there he advanced, that's technology. you understand technology in this state. what is going to happen with artificial intelligence, baton of his vehicles? america isone job in

driving. what is going to be happening to all of those people who drive, who will not be driving anymore because of autonomous vehicles? now, that is really question. what happens to those folks who are there? way, one of the things i like about autonomous vehicles is i have never seen a computer komen chair, send out a text, talk on a cell phone, so autonomous vehicles will save many lives. my parents were killed by a drunk driver. if that was an autonomous vehicle, computers don't drink. we have a ways to go, but this is around the corner. i want to talk about ai in a insurance field. they going to replace a lot of people doing simple calculations. i don't know if you have been in an airport recently, but i was in new york and an airport with my friend, doug and we went to order a drink and there was nobody to order it from everything gets ordered off of a , because everything gets ordered off of a screen. there was one person to tell me what to push on the screen but

they used before five people -- there used to be for or five five peopler when your smartphone breaks down, where do you go? you go to the apple store and there are people there trained to help you fix your phone. new jobs will come from this. we don't know what they are. walmart is taking 80,000 people and their walmart stores teaching them how to do home delivery. it is a whole different job, a whole different thing, so we have to ask businesses, what do you think will change with your employees? what are the new jobs that are coming? what is your response booty to

train your workers today? and what is the job of the education system to engage in training people? people don't think they can have hope, then we will be worse than we are today. is there a way to do this? yes. let's start with k-12 education. k-12 education to me is the most difficult thing to reform. what you need to do with k-12 is you have to get kids out of the classroom and into businesses to have various experiences. if you are interested in law, go work with a law firm. if you are interested in medicine, you go work in a doctor's office. in other words you begin to see what your skills are, your passions are you so you can begin to acquire skills of the same time you are being educated they can relate to what your passions are so you can get a job.

the same thing is true community college. why aren't they training you in computer science when you're already at the university? the whole education system needs be changed and we are running out of time. and education, training, it needs to be lifelong. it should be part of your job. constantly learning, constantly improving your skills and it sounds a little daunting to us who say you get a job, he worked there for 40 years, he retired -- it is not going to be that way. these students, they expect this. do you not? good answer. they need to be given the tools, so when we talk about stem or steam, which should include art as well.

we used to think about educating people to be problem solvers, not just to learn this wrote stuff but to be problem solvers. hard to change the schools. many of the states in mind --many of the schools in my state are doing this. it have to be all of us understanding this because skill is what is going to give you security. if this job does not work, you will be in this job and that is the way you have to think about it. doctor, what do they call these people who come in and greater courses? -- and grade your courses? gov. kasich: why don't we have accrediting agencies that are

made up of businesses that will hire people. there is a sense at universities you are there to get broad skills and great philosophies. i'm also there to have skills. the more we can integrate businesses in more of these sectors, the better we are going to do as a nation. this is a big deal. bigger than charter schools. >> i am curious on your take on recent tax cuts and spending bills. if you were back in congress, but is the first thing you would

do to reduce -- how would you get both parties to work on reducing the national deficit? gov. kasich: we did this in 19 -- were you there, chris? we put republicans and democrats in a room and said let's cut a penny out of every dollar in federal spending and we came within 4 or 5 votes for getting that done. that said the stage for the balanced budget. from the beginning of america until 1992, it was not until 1982 that we accumulated the first trillion dollars in debt. 1982. our national debt today is ever $21 trillion and the bill that just passed is going to increase

it for the next 10 years by an additional trillion every year. why do we care about that? because as debt goes up, jobs go down. it takes money from the private sector that has to invest and reinvest. the deal they just passed in washington, they had a great party. the democrats get everything a they wanted and the republicans got everything they wanted , they declared a victory and they went home. the tax bill. i think it was a good bill with a new to find out a way to offset the tax cuts. republicans and democrats went together and they jumped off the cliff together an dgot -- and

got it done. bill bradley was one of the leaders in the senate. there's not any of that going on anymore. i do not need to be there. i was there for a long time but it is about having leaders who say enough. sometimes you just have to say i am not going along. if i am in the senate, i'm going to filibuster or block something. i will tell you an interesting story. we talked about this last night. my daughters are 18. they were born in 2000. so, one of them got rsv. that is a breathing disorder.

one of my daughters went into children's hospital. i went down to the hospital and spent a couple of days sleeping down there and the commendations were terrible. you want to find out what is going on in a hospital and you talk to nurses. the nurses said, we do not get any money from the federal government. the teaching hospitals get everything because they are teaching and we do not get anything in the children's hospital. they need $150 million. we leave that much on the floor at night. i went to my leadership and said i need $150 million and john was

in the middle of this, i said $150 million for the children's hospital. they said i do not have the money to give you. you spend a trillion dollars on the defense department building bombs and you cannot give me money for the children's health hospital. i'm going to go and make a speech that republicans do not care about children. he got so angry at me. over time, guess what? i got my $150 million. people do not want to do that today. they want to ask permission. it is so bizarre. i can tell you that there are times in my legislature -- i'm very proud of my legislature because they are changing the way we draw congressional districts. they are saying, the majority cannot draw them, there has to be a significant influence in the minority. it is fantastic. you work with them, work with them, work with them, leaders in administration and you try to get there. we have seen dramatic

improvement. a i think what we are missing are those people who say i do not care if i am a republican or democrat, i'm worried about my country and this is what i am going to do. it is hard. why do politicians not do it? because we are human beings and we like to be important. each and every one of us. we all do. i want to be important but if everything we do is designed to make us important, we have lost the bigger picture because before we know it, you, as long as you are -- i am saying, it is hard to give up the microphone. it is a challenge. and if you let your you get take care and control of you and we all do. maybe some days we do better than others and we need more people willing to put it on the

line. doug was here. a great job in the legislature. did a great job. they come and they all go. you have been seeing them come and go since abraham lincoln. [laughter] it might be people who can do their job. those are the ones we end up respecting and it does not mean because you stand up for something that is easy. you would not believe how much i get hammered --i have a friend who hammers me because he gets to dinner every day and people yell at him because he knows the. it is hard for him. --i have a friend who hammers me because he goes to dinner every day and people yell at him because he knows me.

any other questions? yes? >> i'm concerned about how you have to be wealthy are well-connected to run for office these -- or well-connected to run for office these days? to promote campaign-finance reform? gov. kasich: i am for anything that can change the system that is going to make sense and is sustainable. i think big money matters too much in politics, but we have to figure out how it is going to work. any system that we can come up with that will level the playing field but i want to disabuse you of this. my father was a mailman. you do not have to be rich in connected to run. money matters but that is not all that matters. i have the least amount of money in this presidential thing but we were able to work it out.

money matters but it is not the end of it all. >> first, welcome back to new hampshire. my concern, all the things we talked about, all the challenges our country has faced, i think the challenge we face that is going to cause the greatest long-term damage for our country is essentially a white house led assault on the first amendment. i worry deeply about the attack on an open press and free speech. is a former chairman of our party, i think we have a particular responsibility at this point in time to do something about that. i'm not sure what it is we are supposed to do.

i'm not looking to pick a fight with the president tonight but he is a republican president. he carried our party's name. what should we do? gov. kasich: i'm very concerned about the assault on the press and the assault on the press where it is all fake news. you wrote something i do not agree with, that is fake. that is what i'm talking about, this drift into a post-truth environment. when we cannot distinguish what israel and what is not -- a friend of mine sent me any mail -- a text saying that in ai, the technology is able to create video and news that look exactly like the truth and is also the. we have to be objective. we have to figure out truth and the falsehoods and we have to talk about it. every person is a king or queen in their own neighborhood and we have to be heard. who are you counting on?

rely on washington, they will fix this --why don't we do something? i think of this change as the same way i think of my daughter's relay race. i run as far as i can with the baton and hand it off to somebody else. go to -- think of how we were fighting and it is accelerated over and over. what do you think about wells fargo? we have a lot of losses of this virtue in many parts of our

country t -- today. will not get here overnight and we will not get it back every night. why am i here? why do i travel around and talk about this? because i'm doing the best i can do have my voice out there. i have a podium i am willing to use. sometimes people don't understand it but i'm going to do it. i never knew you were an ambassador. you must've gotten that because of your wife. >> two weeks ago, chris and i were in philadelphia with 48 other members of congress. 191 has signed a declaration to fix the problem we are talking

about here this evening. 25 for democrats, 25 were republicans and we call ourselves the reformers. i spoke about the six pillars that washington set out in his farewell address that address all of the things in your talk he was concerned about 222 years ago when he left office. take a look at the reformers and join us. it is an important group interested in making the kind of corrections the country is facing today. i would leave you with this feeling. washington talked about national unity, the elimination of partisanship and adversarial engagement between the parties. he did not say we cannot

disagree, he said do it as you say, to solve problems. he said we need ethical foundations that allow for religious freedom but those values are what we build our society around and that we educate everybody to possess, as he called it, it was a responsible public opinion. and then he said we need to cherish public credit keep ourselves -- or keep ourselves from going too far in to debt and promote peace and harmony around the world. these are the values this country needs a tots re-emphasizeds -- see the emphasized and they came from our founder's mouth, george washington.

gov. kasich: it is an overview. it is not down here in the fighting ranks and the trenches. it is a bigger thing. i have actually found -- it is not that i have not had challenges but i've not found being governor of the seventh largest state, 11.5 million people to be difficult. there are difficult things that happen but when you have an overview or a way in which you can make decisions, it is pretty darn easy. when you cut the politics out and talk about what would i feel good about, then i think you can have success. i have had success in the state. i 186 out of 88 counties 00 -- i won 88 out of -- i won 86 out of 88 counties. washington is a great example. one of the greatest things about washington was -- he said i am done. --when they ask who is your

favorite president, i always say washington. it is politically easy and it is right. >> let's have one more question. >> governor, he talks a lot tonight about our duty and many of the students are interested in a life of public service, either the criminal justice or politics. what advice would you give any student in the room interested in a life of service? gov. kasich: everybody on this earth, i believe, is created special, with special guest -- gifts and you have to find out

what they are. maybe it is a life of public service and maybe it is public service in another way, not in the government. find your passion and use it. a lot of people want to get into politics because it is the closest thing to hollywood. let me tell you, that is fine but the minute you enter that city, you better write down on a piece of paper and tell somebody when you are leaving because people can get sucked into that place for a lifetime only to wake up and everything they invested was gone. i told one of my daughters, i said, you are going to change the world and maybe you will be in politics. what do you think about that? she said daddy, i'm going to make my money first.

one of the most important things is for people to be able to control their own lives and not be under anybody else's thumb. it is what you want to do, go do it. do not be shy. you have lots of people in this state who would love to meet you. the ambassador here would love to talk to you about how you do things. john sununu. do not be shy. john is terrific. sit down with him and ask, can you talk to me. let me tell you one last story. i went to ohio state from pittsburgh. my father carried mail on his back. i got there and we had 40,000 students at ohio state. i lived in a dormitory with 15 college roommates.

there were 16 of us in this suite. there were things that happened and i did not like it. i asked with a meeting with the president of the university. i was always told by my uncle to take it all the way to the top. i kept bugging them and i got in. i launched my complaint and i was pretty impressed. i said, i am here about one month and i do not know what i want to do. i said i like your office, maybe this is the job for me. i said, what do you do? the president told me about their academic and financial responsibilities and he said, tomorrow i'm going to fly to washington and have a meeting with president nixon. this was in 1970 and i said there are a number of things i would like to talk to him about also. he said you cannot.

i said if i write a letter, will you give it to the president said he said, yes, i can. i went back to my dorm and wrote a letter to nixon telling him how i thought he was doing and i find it -- i signed it p.s., if you like to discuss this further, let me know. i got a letter from the white house a couple of weeks later and i said, mom i need a airline ticket, the president wants a meeting with me in the oval office. and my mom said, pick up the phone, there's something wrong with johnny. they bought me a ticket, i flew to washington, i went to the oval office and they told me i was going to get five minutes alone with the president. that was cool. five minutes alone.

i'm 18 years old. first-quarter freshman and i'm meeting with the president of the united states. i'm thinking, new jacket, and a shirt, new pants. i'm not coming out in five minutes. i walked in and i shook hands with the president and said it desk. the good news is i spent 20 minutes in the oval office with the president. the bad news is, in the 18 years i was in congress, i never had that much time. i peeked at the age of 18. i should've gone into farming. thank you very much. good to be with you. [applause] >> thank you all for coming. [indistinct conversation]

, you can be in charge of a lot of things, but there's a lot of responsibility. i have to do this and i have to get on an airplane. how you doing? good to see you. haven't seen you for a while. what are we doing? we have to go to north end.

i think down the street is an ice cream store. it's great to be back to see everybody. it was helpful to people and i hope they got what i was saying. >> you may not know yourself. primary donald trump is not -- >> i don't mean yes or no or this or that. i'm going to finish my term for nine months. through the election and see where we are. >> are they asking you? >> it's always easy to say do this, do that. i know it's hard to believe.

i do have a political operation i want to keep alive. to take any options off because i don't know it's going to happen. i'm not in any deep planning mode about this or that. that's the way it is. >> we have different proposals ,hich involve bump stocks improving the recording system -- the reporting system. there's five of them. the two of them are the next system and that red flag build. i'm hopeful we will be able to pass this in the state. we would be one of the leaders in the red state. we can achieve something significant. >> do you think of control

should be a state-by-state basis? corrects the federal law says you can't have an automatic weapon. i think the feds are saying you should be able to change a semi automatic weapon into a fully automatic weapon. important is we don't want to disrespect anybody. have their guns believe deeply that there doesn't need to be any changes, the problem is the person and not the gun. when somebody is unbalanced or the system doesn't work for a felon is able to get his hands on a gun, nobody should before that. proposals.easonable i hope that the pressure that has been put on lawmakers doesn't go away. i think some people feel the pressure will ease and we will go back to doing nothing.

this,t going quietly on but i'm optimistic about getting something done. and i want to complement the speaker of the house in ohio. he's got a good heart. >> can we work with them? peoplee are so many objective. going to spend all my time trying to deal with that. it depends on the far right. i'm not going to spend my time there.

they are not the one that's going to bring us progress. i still love it. it's the first time i have been friendly's. i think one of the most important lessons is the slowdown, sharing your heart. i will be back in november. i will probably be back sometime this summer. the year or so into this thing, i'm not here to plot that.

thank you all. former democratic governor and president of candidate martin o'malley visits new hampshire. he talks about his experience during the 2016 campaign and what he hopes