nd public policy events in washington, d.c. and around the country. yourn is brought to you by cable or satellite provider. in the race for minnesota congressman cratic tim waltz walz spoke. this is just short of an hour. welcome to the final debate in the race for minnesota governor. election year, in it together initiative. the debate will take up the full and will consist of policy questions, questions about or tics and a series of yes no lightning round type queries. we'll mix it up a little bit. word about quick the format. lecturns and ith

stop watches. e wanted a conversation with the next goal of minnesota. >> averaged 5% support in independent polling and that us with just two candidates. nominee for he dfl governor, currently a member of us house. jeff johnson serves on the hennepin county board of commissioners. moderator: the candidates have swapped places on the couch from their first visit just in case at home are keeping score on this one. welcome to both of you, good to see you again. us.hank you for having moderator: we should mention, first question so tonight jim johnson will get the first question. this.'s a key part of the job of being governor is to lead in a crisis. be it natural disaster, a peter, hits, st.

minnesota, an event, the bridge collapsing, i guess. an example of when you did you crisis and how do? mr. walz: that's a great question. you're the first one to ask that year and a half long campaign. i would say that i have led in a in the n our church past. when i was president of our congregation, i go to what a megachurch,call a very large church in golden valley. a period where we had some turmoil with respect to staff members. i was president at the time and difficult time for a church as it always is because you like to assume that everyone for you is not human and, you know, doesn't make did.akes but a couple and the role of the leader is to bring people together during those tough times, to remain calm, and kind of try to sail through that and we did it well. oderator: so you think you passed that test? mr. walz: i did. moderator: give us an example. the st. pete tornado and

grand forks flooding. for 10 days armory as we were there on the day of the fire but the one i think, always in those times being in the t classroom on 9/11. yesterday ne that wrote about the sense of calming perspective of what will happen hen you have students that are watching a world that seems to be spinning out of control, to try and keep them in a place focused, can stay stay calm and start to regroup. i think that leadership is time, most risis about the perspective. it's about not stirring fear. getting things up. it's staying calm, looking at the facts and moving forward. national polling shows that the republicans are mainly interested in the immigration issue, concerned about immigration. democrats mainly concerned about ealthcare, and i wonder, commissioner johnson, can you convince doubters why they don't about healthcare if you're in the governor's

seat. mr. johnson: absolutely. been very consist kept throughout the campaign despite some of the despicable on ercials that have been tv. i believe you need to look at healthcare in two pieces. he first piece is make sure in minnesota that we continue to take care of people who need help, whether it's people who afford insurance or whether it's people with preexisting conditions. i've always believed that we affordable de guaranteed coverage to those with preexisting conditions. how do you do that? mr. johnson: i believe a better did it before.we insurance a private board, there was no elective person. affordable aranteed coverage. >> you need a big state subsidy which were premiums high didn't even match what -- the amount of money needed. than what we're subsidizing through our reinsurance program but what it the individualed market to be stable, and when

you ca came in and said can't have that anymore, many states are saying, boy, i wish used to at minnesota have it blew up the market and people's insurance went through the roof. a lot of people ignore the other half. all we're going to think about is this half because that's the that makes people scared. we also have to look at how to premiums.n how they are paying it, through themselves or employer and you a not do that by having single payor healthcare. you do it by forcing more system ion into the that's really missing competition. oderator: in terms of, are you for single payor? >> i think that's probably the path where we end up. very clear. there were no protections for preexisting conditions before the aca. aca was the first time in this nation's history we had those protections. people have that protection, covered and focusing on preventative care where getting thatinally

we started to see health and that's the key to driving down insurance premium prices. let's be clear. healthcare market in because markets by nature, it would be a failure, there is not going to be. cannot simply shrink a pool to the sickest people and say that's where we're going to when they are in crisis. the way to go about this is making sure that everybody has preventative care, has access on the front end. you drive down prices. no market e there is in healthcare because government has moved in and now you want to take that last step although i'm your answer was. are you for single payor healthcare? that was the answer that i just gave you. >> are you for it? are you going to push? for not paying twice as much as any other industrialized nation getting half for it. making sure that the 14 top nations get the best returns at youleast cost and make sure cut out that piece. simply payor getting between doctors and i r think in minnesota this

argument, again, the plan, and planone knows, there is no to protect people with preexisting conditions unless you have the aca. ridiculous.terly we did it for 30 years in minnesota before the aca and we did it better before. let's be honest now about what single payor is. it says that everybody loses insurance. there is no private insurance and we're forced down on to one plan.nment --t's where >> >> there is no state in america that's a single payor system. none. california almost went there but backed out and said it was too expensive. that. can do better than >> so we asked about healthcare. moderator: tell republican and voters that you have a reasonable position on immigration. >> well, i certainly do because before.ne this i said 24 years in national service on security, numerous to the border to actually witness how we do security in epth and how we do it electronically and with human

surveillance. this issue, every nation has the need to control its borders but the issue is of stoking fear and telling us that because of ronger immigration. it doesn't matter what your plans are. the next governor of minnesota capacity to have the to bring people together to solve problems. immigration is an issue that's bound people together and been positive. what we see right now is this fear telling people they are in danger. things are going to happen. ather than coming up with real solid plans like comprehensive immigration reform that passed the ♪. was never heard in the house. reform could be done right now and this idea that you should go through ne and come legally is exactly what people want to do. the problem is there is no line fixing that, we stoke fear of our neighbors, stoke fear of immigrants, stoke worriedt you have to be in minnesota about a state that's founded on immigration. no sense. moderator: i'm curious, in your background with the national guard if president trump were to say we want you to send national

guard troops to the border as migrants are doing -- >> women and children fleeing we have more of them than we do fighting the taliban afghanistan and syria. the governor's job is to rise above the fear. to issue of continuing bring up false narratives a week before the election, the up.ernor's job is to stand when the president says he's birthday ake away right citizenship. >> differ dramatically, it plan ismatter what your because you still want people to know what your plan s. you've been very open at least in front certain crowds to say you want minnesota to be a sanctuary state for illegal immigrants. over that and say it's fear among gehring to bring that -- fear mongering to bring that up. there are only five or six

states in the country. we would be the only one in the midwest. that means we would prohibit our officers from cooperating in any way with the federal government to enforce immigration laws. would become the magnet for illegal immigrants throughout the country especially because a very generous welfare system. >> of course, if someone commits a crime they are going to prison once again when i talk to folks they are concerned about education. they are concerned about healthcare and they are go whoed about finding a can unite us around one minnesota. people are smart. they know what's happening here. what have you said to other people about being a sanctuary state? >> i said the federal government responsible for federal immigration policy. and state and local police, to gain trust and make sure that people feel they able to go to the police.

>> if you have someone in human trafficking, people who are waiting to be adjudicated in their status, they are afraid to the police. >> jim, you never answer questions. here's another answer. this is a simple yes or no question. you think we should be a sanctuary state? >> you've said yes before but of a 're in front different audience. >> simple statements for fear mongering. >> can we talk about fear mongering. >> the situation right now is very clear statement. we've done it before and you're telling people. >> it's a yes or no question. it's not a yes or no question. >> are you for being a sanctuary state? our m for securing communities. >> you can't answer the question. to who we ing true are. >> my question for you is i you've seen the latest ad.

these are the folks who essentially funding your campaign. close to $5 nt million on attack ads that have false as kstp found them to be false about preexisting conditions but the last one, i a new low in the history of political ads, they man sing a disabled young to say that jeff johnson will not provide any healthcare to poor, disabled children. i think that's despicable and obviously false but they don't seem to care about that. are you okay with that? >> i have not seen the ad. >> everybody has seen it because minutes.very 10 >> i don't watch tv during these last few weeks. >> there is no way you haven't ad.n that >> candidates -- >> i don't appreciate that when i haven't seen the ad. it e've been talking about for several days. >> i don't follow -- i'm talking about what minnesotans do. candidates can't cooperate with these outside groups. is that still the law? >> absolutely. however -- >> preexisting conditions will

disappear, and every group so.'s out there says >> i think this is vile and if to minnesota e where you're not just lying about an opponent -- talk ll have a chance to about commercials later in the hour but here's as well as physical health incentives to get more students into the psychological business, is that something you could get behind? we have seen massive spending and tax increases in the last three years and we do not do a great job of taking care of our most vulnerable people. have enoughdo not

money but we do. we just throw it at everything. >> minimum wage, the health care workers, you want to raise the minimum wage? >> no. i want to change the formula so they make more based on what the government reimburses. i think some of our most vulnerable people, especially mentally ill children. >> you have to get everybody covered with insurance if you will do this. minnesota has led on this. wellstone onor mental health parity p are we are finally getting there. this was my focus in congress on veterans mental health. we get on the front end of things, on so many of these programs, if we do this smartly, we and up saving money in the long run and not just lies. we know if we can get an early the first few days, we end up having really good outcomes. this conversation about the role and what we're doing is being much smarter.

if they are not taking care of. he will spend more on criminal justice on the backend. best advocates are practices and we sought with ace suicide prevention act. in communitying partnership, peer-to-peer type things. it works. >> we will break things up a bit now. we will do a lightning round. a series of quick, yes or no answers. we will be ruthless in cutting you off. johnson, would you send a bill, if -- sign a bill when it gets to your desk if your governor, -- >> obsolete. >> yes. attitudeout, is your toward greater legalization of fireworks? >> absolutely. >> yes, i, yes. >> would you sign a bill that requires hands-free cell phone bill question mark >> absolutely. >> probably not. because i think you give some

people a level of freedom in our lives. i would be open to talking about it, but you are in a situation where you discriminate against certain people who do not have money. >> i just broke my rule in terms of being picky. >> research says hands-free does reduce it some but is still a distraction. >> how about coming through with a permit, there is still army corps npca still has to do it. your stance on permitting? >> the science, do the environmental reviews, and then move us toward clean energy. >> i think it is because i never know what your answer is. it is kind of par for the course. >> should i just repeated question mark i just said it. >> i think we should be moving forward with it. they have been working on this for almost 14 years.

i have a funny feeling that if it doesn't change, they will work on it for 14 more years before they get anything from them. be moving should through the processes so we can allow the private sector to create good jobs. the process we have in place at the federal and state level happens to be strict. i think that is good but we have thrown politics in this to slow it down. >> we totally abandoned the lightning round. >> we are going to shortchange the process. you follow the science and environmental reviews. then the liability needs to be in place and then you go forward. to bethe peace that needs talked about, making sure we are collaborating with local folks, which we have been doing. are on environmental bend. on the state level, minnesota has two goals and two different things. increasing renewable energy.

not been meeting mid -- emissions goals. the next governor will have to decide what role the governor should play going forward on this. do you give support to new technologies or do you let the free market decide what to do with it? >> all three will do this. the free market is moving through it. we need to set the targets and make sure the research and the support is getting there. this, we had said it debates and only the question on climate change. jeff simply says it is not worth trying and do not put the time into it. i think it is an existential threat. the question was, should we do anything, it is not worth it because it would make a difference. this is where minnesota could lead. we already are with our biofuels. >> there is some difference between us. i believe climate change is

real. i believe humans play a role in that. is a lot of debate about the plans i have seen about whether they would essentially reorder the economy and cost people a lot of money. if you could prove to me it would make a lot of difference, i am a science guy and a measurements guy. if someone can say, this is the difference it will make, i am probably on board. we do it because it makes me feel good, i hit it is the racing to do, ok, and what difference will it make? well, it may not make any difference but it is the right thing to do it if we will cost people a lot of money, and that will, i want to know that it is actually going to matter. . -- there reaching parity green energy economy will be a job creator p are we have seen it in states that embrace it and move forward. dependent onand be

whether it is natural gas or coal, that makes no sense. >> no one said i would hold us back. i think the private sector of the market is actually pushing us forward because most of us want to renewables. it is a positive thing and i think we will keep moving forward with that. haveuestion is if you state mandates ordering the economy and costing a lot of money. i want to have common sense that actually matters. >> one viewer wonders if by mandating universal background checks on guns, i would create a gun registration, which he has concerns about? >> mr. walz: i think his concern might be warranted, but on the issue of striking balance and bringing responsible gun owners into it, and also doing things that keep firearms out of the hands of bad people. we see states that do this and the have the reduction of shootings. that is where you build coalitions, bring responsible gun owners and folks who care

about this together to improve safety, but also to make sure jim can go hunting gear tomorrow, that he wants to. mr. johnson: i think it could lead to a gun registry. the bigger issue is that i think when we talk about universal background checks or bump stocks, or how much ammo you can put into oregon, we are ignoring what the real issues are. we have some serious cultural issues. these things are the happening three years ago there were more guns and fewer guns restrictions and these horrible mass shootings were not happening. we have to talk about family breakdown, more about mental health, we have to talk about the role of mass media, we are drenched in violence and orchids see it. we have to talk about some of the policies our schools have, that actually violent behavior for politically correct reasons.

>> i have been in schools my whole life. mr. johnson: the minnesota department of education is threatening to sue schools if there is a disparity in a discipline between different races. it doesn't matter what the facts are, you just have to have equal numbers, inequalities of outcomes. >> there is a massive disparity, though. >> but there might be a reason for it at some cases. so no schools back off. >> and that creates more violence? >> absolutely, it is. if you look at the parkland shooting, you had school officials with himself said that they ignored his behavior. part of it was -- >> parkland was everything but guns? >> and never said any such thing. >> so a gun piece of it gets into the discussion? >> i think we need to look at guns, but -- you took the nra endorsement, but. now, it is all about guns. i think you have to be somewhat consistent on this, because it

is a big issue. >> a rigid nest and light of -- a originates in -- a rigidness in light of facts changing is not -- voting for cdc research, voting for background checks, for four years, voting on all these things. mr. johnson: you changed from an a to an f. >> we have another viewer question. this is gene peterson. i want to know, governor wallace, would you increase the minimum wage to $15 statewide? >> yes, we need to get to a living which for folks.

i think minnesota is moving in that direction. a good news is that in this economy, we are starting to see folks understand and know that minimum wages going up. it is better for the economy. >> i would not have government mandate it. i agree that we are getting there through the market, but i believe that a $15 minimum wage mandated by government, when we are several dollars lower than that will not just heard small businesses, which could put talk about all the time, it will hurt the people we claim to help. in seattle, the people who lost jobs were the least employable people. i am glad to know where you stand on this, because last week you flip-flopped on this one. >> did you flip-flopped on this? >> no, of course not. >> the issue came up that is some places, the housing wage was different than that. the housing wage in minneapolis is 15, because you need to get

stability >> the governor's housing task force said i think it a $15 per hour in minnesota to get a modest two-bedroom apartment and pay for that, and many people are paying more than 30% on their income and housing. advocates are talking about a dedicated funding source, maybe a sales tax or anything else to bolster our spending on affordable housing, which is a problem. what are your thoughts on a dedicated revenue source, or some other ideas on the front of the housing? >> pattern know if we need a dedicated revenue source.

i am happy to listen to advocates, because i like new ideas come i to try different things. i don't believe government should be owning a lot of housing. i think we have programs in place, which i support, that provide incentives for the private sector, both affordable housing and i would argue that some of our requirements for affordable housing, we don't require that they stay or affordable long enough. i would actually seek to extend that, but this is one of many difficult areas in a budget and it is is easy to promise everything to everyone, but somebody has to pay for it. >> this will be the coalition building peace. i have dozens of mayors who have come on board of the prosperity plan we put out, for them to start addressing in communities where they have the capacity to work together, both public and private, nonprofits, to attack this issue. in some places, the rent is too low to warrant new housing, so we start shipping in people from sioux falls. in rochester, property has gone up. i think some of the things are multifaceted, and it is think of jeff and i are too far off on this. one state gives xgrid is to businesses. austin, or the mayo clinic, some of them to help in partnership with this. there are ways you can stream in the process, some of the permitting processes and things that are adding costs. new units are incredibly expensive when it comes to some of the rehabbing.

>> shall we talk about ads? we will role in ad and this one is from the jeff johnson campaign, on your campaign facebook page, your website. go ahead. >> we have seen massive tax hikes in minnesota but our roads are still among us, our schools are still broken we pay our nursing home workers less than mcdonald's. we ignore welfare fraud. minnesota is better than this. if you want more of the same, vote for the other guy. i will hold government accountable to taxpayers again and stop testing your money. i am jeff johnson. i will give you your government back. >> ok, defend that add i think it actually -- >> is set forth the reason i am running for governor. we have a long history of good government, whatever that means to people in minnesota, but we don't have anymore right now.

we have mnlars, mnsure, we have the loss of 22,000 identity documents with the government hadn't even told people about if the news hadn't discovered it. things he to change, and i know people are frustrated. the first half of the commercial, i talk about the fact that we have seen huge spending increases and tax increases. according to get the nurse, we are not the highest taxed state in america and most of our schools are saying that they don't have enough money. we have problems galore and we don't they our nursing home workers and group home workers anymore the mcdonalds. there is no accountability in government anymore. >> the difference here is that there is no plan. pointing out and saying that there is a problem, and not having the history of being a

coalition builder, building coalition to get things done. being a dissenting voice does not get those things done. of course we have to make sure that data was lost, but keep in mind, the private sector has 4.5 billion losses of data that went out. the only reason we know about that is we don't bash is they don't have to reported. of course we should know about these things. in congress who are able to do things to bring accounting in electronic software. . if you have the skill set or the capacity to bring people folks together, it will not happen. >> this whole campaign a bit -- >> this whole campaign is been about setting forth policy proposals that not everybody loves, but actually being honest upfront and substantive, as opposed to just saying, we just have to bring people together, with no substance to it at all. to suggest that there is no answer -- it could take the next half-hour, i could give you lots of answers of what we need to do. >> we have a tim walz add approved by the candidate. i think it is from facebook. let us role it and you can tell us. >> my philosophy has always been

that the economy as a garden that you have to take care of. it needs nurturing. my republican colleagues believe the economy is a jungle, just let it go and whatever happens, happens. i disagree. the idea that your thrifty but not investing in education, infrastructure, health care and research makes no sense. and we could have better educated, healthier workforce that lives longer and contributes to the economy. that is what a forward looking economy looks like and that is exactly what we plan to do for minnesota. >> this is what separates us from other states if we are going to rise from the bottom, mississippi, kansas, whatever it might be. what i'm saying is that if we have a healthy workforce that

has access to affordable, quality health care, a well-educated population that list up its teachers, has the best books, uses the best practices, and we have the best infrastructure, that is how we start to transform and that is what we have always done. >> democrats: >> investing, republicans: >> investing. >> talk about fear mongering, this is what i hear all the time in your campaign. that jeff wants to make us mississippi. no of course not. you cannot promise everything to everyone. you have made billions of dollars in promises and somebody has to pay for that. it is not some faceless rich guy who will pay for it, it is a single mom trying to afford childcare, so she can work, which is what we all want for her. it is the senior on a fixed income being taxed out of their home. >> we've had a crisis, a horrific attack on our corrections system. dust we have had crisis in our corrections system. when asked about this, jeff says he would cut hhs and education. we need more corrections

officers because we know that with kindergarten look everywhere it, there is a school to prison pipeline. so to add more prison guards were actually exacerbate the problem on the front and, as set attacking it with the research that we know, viewing children as not coming in pieces, but giving them holistically. when we do this, we see results. my favorite is -- if you spend on roads, it is eczema and of dollars. if we don't send -- it is x amount of dollars. if we don't spend money on roads, it cost us much more money that will be spent later. >> when people ask me what are your spending priorities, that is on the top, education, as well as transportation and a safety net. you have to look at both sides. the investment and the spending, and who it is helping. you also have to look at the people paying the bill. you never look at that side of the equation. i know it is easy to spend other people's money, very easy in government, especially congress. that we need to care about the people paying. >> social security tax cuts for

minnesotans. the 2017 legislature us some relief for social security recipients, but i checked with a nonpartisan group and they said that by 2027, if you phased out the tax on social security it would be a $1.2 billion biannual hit to the state coffers, and let it would likely help upper-income seniors mother anybody else. are you for that phaseout of the social security tax? >> absolutely, over time. these are still people on fixed incomes. i would start with an income tax. we are the highest taxed state in america. tim wants to raise taxes. i think we should provide some relief, first on the income tax, starting on the lowest level. our lowest tier is higher than the highest year in 23 other states permit those are electricians and bartenders, not ceos of corporations. when i talk about how to provide relief, let us start by holding government accountable, actually expecting some competence and rooting out fraud. >> pennies on the dollar. mr. johnson: it is not.

the legislative auditor has a good reputation, as a nonpartisan group, and the estimated -- they found in the report are your ago that we are giving out $500 million a year -- >> part of a $45 billion budget. >> you just talked about $600 million a year is a big deal. $500 million a year to people who are ineligible. we spent $100 million on mnlars. the simple are asking for more money to fix a problem that created. we could move people to the federal exchange and it would actually serve them better, he would save us $40 million more. >> there is a problem with social security, and i have a reputation in congress that we find savings and we get them out. saying this -- what i have said is that i am michael edition boulder and i will actually work with legislators, build people together and write budgets to get to those outcomes. with the idea of return on investment.

on the issue of social security, i think that looking at those top earners, i think that is probably the right way to phrase that out. one thing, that money will be spent back in our communities, all across a stage, in greater minnesota, so you do have economic growth that comes out of this, not just the one side of the ledger that you lost revenue from the social security card you will gain it in terms of growth out there from people earning money. >> this is simple math.

you say that you will cut that tax, but you're talking about tens of millions of dollars in spending promises. whose taxes will be paid -- will you raise to pay for that? >> i want to say this again. when we invest in smart, when we invest early and get these kids early, when you get people be have asked before they have chronic diseases, you end up saving tens of millions of dollars.

the idea we have seen is that the research is there. the money was spent by not addressing issues, whether it is a homeless child, a child with a toothache, a hungry child, some of the things were talking about of targeting and getting that right, you end up with economic growth that spurs economy. the idea that there is scarcity, keep in mind, we have seen what happens here. corporations are making a lot of money off the latest tax cuts and middle-class folks are barely keeping pace with inflation. we are talking about investing on the front and to grow the economy. >> but tim, nobody's talking about cutting these programs. >> they you not say that you would cut hhs? >> no, i said that we would start measuring programs to see which was would work. >> do you think they work, though? >> no, they don't work, so we should cut the programs. you cannot make promises and then pretend like you will not cut -- >> so many people are excited about this. >> of course they are, it is free money. >> that is where we have all of

these mayors and county commissioners, they are part of this process, part of being included. >> year promising something you cannot do. >> you have brought this before about nursing home workers, they don't make enough money, which is true. the state of maine is looking at a ballot question this election cycle for a tax hike to fund universal home care, free home care for elderly folks to keep them in their homes. with 10,000 baby boomers every day turning 65, this is a big problem in the state of minnesota. people want to stay in their homes. what is your plan to deal with the care issue? >> we have to make sure we are paying people an adequate wage in this position, and that is the reimbursement rate from the stage stage. i can't find qualified workers,

because you could literally go to mcdonald's and make more money. it is not just in home care for seniors, it is also group home care for some of our most vulnerable citizens. the problem is that we don't focus our spending on the most vulnerable citizens first. we spread it out so far and we will do it even more so with tim , that we cannot focus on our most honorable citizens. does what we need, a little more focused mentoring government would be amazing. >> i am in agreement with this, that we need to do better, with our seniors and with our children, that we paid the least reimbursement rate. i think you brought up a really important point, kathy, when he said that these folks want to stay in their homes.

there is a savings that far outpaces long-term-care facilities. there is a cap is capacity in terms of quality of life that happens in homes. so measuring outcomes, efficiencies, what the return on the dollar is, i think that is what they're looking at in maine , wondering if there is an efficient way of spending the money, and making a difference. you may be saving money, and my guess is that we would, in this case. mr. walz: you said that i would actually cut hhs. >> you set it at the debate, now you're saying that i would do the same thing. >> the supreme court has said that states can legalize sports gambling and that there will be a bill that i think will be on your cell phone, where you will be able to --somebody's been accustomed the next pass or not. this does bring a liberal conservative coalition against the expansion of gambling. but it would bring some tax revenue, i suppose.

>> i have always been opposed to gambling expansion because i think the societal costs tend to outweigh the liberty benefit of it. i think it will be a tough coalition to ring together because the tribes will have a great interest in this. i talked to the potential author of the bill and he said that he will work with them and bring it forward if he can create a coalition. so i think they can work without . mr. walz's government will tell you who you can marry, what you can consume, what you can do, i am on the side of personal liberties. they also have to understand that there will be the education piece of it, the societal and effect, mickey sure you are controlling it the right way, but i think you have to go in with the personal liberties. >> can i add, this is personal for me. a few weeks ago, my high school senior son came home to write a paper on sports betting and we

did some research. we caught up representative go ruffalo and asked him some questions about it, and we got it straight from the horses mouth. >> let us do the lightning round. what is -- what was your first car? >> in 1973 chevy camaro lt. >> that is so funny, mine was in 1978, our. i am loving younger. [laughter] >> independent commission on redistricting. >> probably not. i think the people voted in should be the ones doing it. >> i am for the independent commission. citizen or judicial, because the gerrymandering piece, and i can assure you of this, i have been given the privilege of being governor, we will not gerrymander districts in favor of democrats or republicans. >> we are leaving the lightning round.

so -- if you were to win election, do you plan to live in the governor's mansion? >> i have not given it any thought. >> my kids are in high school, so we will stay near the school. >> you have talked about government failing in quite a few places, i think you make a case good case that there have been some shortcomings. you are a couple of guys who may be may not be have to all the digital stuff, but what about that, is it going to be a problem spending money on technology to solve or improve service delivery? will it be a problem with an aging public employee workforce that is not hip to this stuff? how do you see next intermission technology getting involved in government services? >> i think it is huge, we have been doing some of that in hennepin county. i am very heavily involved in public safety. this would totally revolutionize government. it would serve people better and

eventually save us money. so we will be moving forward with lots of new ideas. >> or republicans at resistant to these kind of reforms? >> no, but you have to be open to new training. it is unacceptable when we have moved from a legacy computer systems, to upgrade, like mnlars , but it is a challenge in the public sector like it is in government. that dod and the dea will come together on one record, and it had not been done in a long time, we put an extra subcommittee in the v.a. that was responsible for the oversight of hiring people from google, to come in as staffers to oversee that. jeff is right, it has the potential to save, the efficiencies, but it also has the potential to go allawry, and the public costs would be awful. >> would you like to ask each

other a question? >> i will ask the same question just ask. you have made tons of promises for spending, what taxes will be raised to pay for them? >> i would say the gas tax. we are seeing minus in roads. and i said that if we look at the budget, we would start looking at things rather are -- i certainly would not have given a tax-cut to cigar manufacturers. >> so you're spending is about 18 billion, how would you pay for it? >> first of all, jeff, you don't need to make up numbers. you can't do that. going back to this idea of bringing folks in, the state legislators and the players care. this is something i said that i promised we would do, write a budget in a transparent manner and not unveil it. my question to you is, -- >> i did not get an answer to

mine, yet. can i follow up? but the problem is, you promised free college, free pre-k, free health care for everybody, you have said that we are going -- >> i did not process free health care for everybody. >> you promised ingle payor -- single-payer. >> i will talk slowly. the path of that most people get to is a single-payer path. the way we start reducing costs in minnesota is allowing folks in the 5% in the individual market to be able to buy in at their cost into minnesota care. it is a start. that is why when you critique me, the minnesota hospital association had to put out a letter and contact all the press to say that it was true. what is your single biggest accomplishment working in government with people?

>> i would say that we completely rewrote the property rights of law in 2004, we wrote an eminent domain law, i did it with a democrat as my chief author in the senate and i was the chief author in the house. >> what were the implications of it? >> protecting people from government taking their property because government thought some other private entity could better use it. >> how about funding opioid research and prevention? >> absolutely not. i don't think increasing a tax on something that is already overpriced, prescription docs drugs, makes any sense at all. we have a $24 billion annual budget. no. crisis is a huge problem, it is actually one of -- one of the other successes i could talk about --

>> we have tobacco taxes, too. >> and we could increase that. we have a $24 billion budget. if it is a priority, and i think it is, we can find if there. >> there were record profits for companies, many drugs last year went up in price. i did a bill in congress, where they partnered with us in the v.a.. this asks makes sense. as governor, instead of bringing 26 lobbyists to the capitol to fight a bill that would go to prevention treatment -- of course, again -- they will increase them anyway. the 2400 drugs, they will increase their price anyway. the issue is -- i would rather us capture it on the long run. you know how much you are spending? a lot more than $20 million on the opiate crisis, not to mention the human destruction as

it goes through communities, especially our indigenous communities. it is costing us hundreds of million dollars -- hundreds of millions of dollars to not address it. >> can i just add come another concentrate i would have brought up with the anti-meth bill. i had worked on it with another rosen in the house, and it was the most comprehensive bill on a that fast in the country. it became the model to be at it worked. we know have this problem, and it is coming in a different way. if we do this in a comprehensive way, we can solve though. crisis, but i don't think increasing attacks on consumers is the way to do it. >> 20 years ago, jesse mentor was elected governor and he demonstrated pretty good judgment in how he pitches government. our viewer wants to know how you would choose your commissioners and who you would ask for

advice. just the event euros was not beholden to him, he was -- he cut straight down the middle of his political appointees. >> i would have people with broad experience, particularly in the business world. i am guessing that we will have thousands of applications, both of us well, and we are starting to put that in place in the event i went. it will be pretty much ready to go. what i am looking for as people who actually have on the ground experience in the area they are regulating, not necessarily the chair of the house committee, but i'm ready to run ag, that is actually farmed, and to have someone who is fearless, to change the culture in our committee. he have culture that has gotten out of hand in some of our state agencies. the culture of directing, as opposed to serving. you need the right people. >> the people most impacted by our decisions need to be at the table. that is the theme of one minnesota, from the beginning. but if people there to talk about attributes. it is about flat organizational structures, people who are there to serve, and i you empower people to do with the mission is, to serve the constituents

and the people of minnesota. but to do so using innovative methods and begin sure that voices are heard on the front and. that is when we run into too many problems. of setting the parameters. my fish how would you do this? >> putting a group of stakeholders who would be impacted and mccue sure their voices are heard when we structure what we are looking for. for me, it would be someone who has the capacity to serve, and make independent decisions to start and empower people to innovate. >> would a democrat be in your cabinet? >> absolutely. you guys are pretty simple. >> are you the exception to the rule in modern politics? what is going on with the lack of civility? we have been good over the campaign --

>> it has really gotten ugly, it has also done in our race, not between the two of us, personally, but it has been pretty vile, quite frankly. especially lately, with the disabled commercial. minnesota has a history where we haven't gone there, and hope we are not gone they are just going there. >> i am sure that i am getting pummeled with my share of things, but i think it was important that at least the ads coming of the campaigns would attempt to tell us where we were. and i think the eight appearances together to try to do our best and disagree. but i did not see the ad. i did not see the ad. >> thank you folks for a good couple of years of campaigning. down to the final weekend. >> thank you to the candidates, we wish you both well. and we want to remind you that there are only two candidates on the ballot for governor.

we have judge walter and chris wright, you can find the segment on tbt,org/almana join us next weekc. when we. tuesday's winners. ♪ ♪ [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2018] ♪

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>> former vice president joe biden spoke at a campaign rally for pennsylvania elections. this is about 40 minutes. >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome your congressman, matt cartwright. [applause] [cheering] quite thank you.

>> we love you! >> love you back. is this thing on? >> yes! what, welcome to this senior high school, everybody. i want to take the liberty to give a few shout outs. john, thethank principle of the high school. and the superintendent, kevin. the principal and the superintendent, there are no guarantees we will not damage or high school tonight. [laughter]

but seriously,: anotherant to make shout out. someone whose presence here tonight lets you know that you are at a special event. it is the former first lady of pennsylvania, ellen. [applause] rep. cartwright: she is pretty important. [laughter] rep. cartwright: but then there is my wife. [applause] rep. cartwright: