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trump in the sense that all i have said is you need to separate yourself past -- the passions of the politics and look at the actual crime, and whether we have a crime. many people argue collusion was a crime for months and then they accepted it was not a crime. we have to look concretely at this. i can simply promise trump will indicted and everyone will be thrilled on that side of the aisle. that is not true. you can look at objectively what is a crime and what the evidence shows or you can engage in this is a recreation. turley, athan >> next, a book tv exclusive. ur cities tour visits lack
havasu city, arizona, to learn more about its unique history and literary life. for seven years now, we have traveled to u.s. cities bringing the book scene to our viewers. watch more at c-span.org/citiestour. >> welcome to lake havasu city, arizona. with help from our cable partners, for the next 90 minutes we'll explore the community's literary life. located along the arizona-california border, lake havasu city holds a population about of -- of about 54,000 and locationr water sports . also home to the london bridge, economy is nt tourism. >> a bunch of us got together day we heard -- because the
the bridge came in was unique. after that it was routine but that first day was a big event. i had my first car a 1953 chevy station wagon, i thought, we can get some stones, throw them in the back of the station wagon, and be gone before anybody would know what hit them. we're all sitting there on the parade route, you know. figuring like, here come the trailers up mccullough boulevard. these things were massive, massive. the ground shook as it went by us. you could smell the bredgebrming -- smell the bridge. you could smell london. you could smell the ocean, the soot, the tems, it was a pungent smell, not unpleasant, but completely out of place for where we were. the first stones rolled by us were those right there. each one of those stones weighs
three times as much as my car. and the huge double -- the eight-axle trailers can only carry like two of them. so we're sitting there on the car, wow know. watching this thing roll back and go, well, i don't think this is going to work out, fellows. we'll blow off stealing the london bridge. my favorite readings were always books that were written by people in their time. in other words, not a historian's perspective, but a first person's view. so i went looking for stories that were told by people that were living here during certain eras. and if you study arizona history at all, there's a few authors that everybody knows, one of them is martha summerhays. she wrote a book called "vanished arizona." it was published in the early 1900's. it was about her time here with
her husband who was an officer in the united states army. during -- toward the end of the apache wars. it was her personal experience, it was fascinating to read. i thought maybe i'll write a book about havasu. the reason it's called "living at the end of old 95" is because in those days the road that comes in here, which is i-40, used to be route 66. you turned off route 66 and turned down this road and it dead ended here. it didn't go through to parker like it does now. it was just the end of the road. literally a dead end. and kind of funny, you decide to build a city at the end of a dead end road. [laughter] -- from my perspective, i was 13 when we moved here. it wasn't my idea to move here. it was my dad's idea, my mom and
dad's idea to move here. i thought they were crazy when we got here but i didn't have anything to say about it. we moved here, lock, stock, and barrel in february of 1965. there was somewhere around 600 people and there might have been 20 homes. and that was pretty much it. there was no grocery store. nearest grocery store is 40 miles away. for our family it was three years before -- no, i'm sorry, three months. three months before we finally got running water and it was another, i think it was phi months when we finally got electricity and then it was a year before we finally got a telephone. the economic base was the factory, the mccullough factory. when they started breaking ground here for everything, one of the first things was the factory. you know, you've got to have
jobs to have a city. so he moved his factory out here , he put like $2 million building this factory out here. and that became the economic ase for a lot of people. people came out here for the same reasons they do today, it was cheap, retirement was cheap back then. then a lot of people came out like my dad did, want to start a new life. some people i imagine came out ith, you know, expectations of making it real big and some did. i would imagine a lot of it, there was probably a few escaped criminals in that group somewhere, i would imagine, and some other people of dubious reputations, i'm sure. what was also interesting is,
you know, i didn't learn until later but for every -- this statistic as far as i know is still true. for arizona. for every four families that move to arizona, within one year, three of them have left. and of course that first summer for a lot of people -- it was a real rude awakening if you're from a cooler climate. because it's hot here. it's hotter than phoenix. one of the hottest places in the united states. in fact, a record, i believe, was 128. so a lot of people can't take the heat. a lot of people would leave. over the years, it began to build. i think the reason they bought the bridge and brought it here was because they could. to make a very long story short. you might remember when long beach bought the queen mary. stevie wood, i believe it
was, an amazingly talented man, they were there at that meeting talking about that. ok. apparently as the meeting was breaking up and they were all leaving, i think it was c.v. wood, might have been somebody else, but it was one of them, offhandedly said, by the way, is there anything else for sale over there? almost as a joke. and the guy says well as a matter of fact, i hear they're going to be selling the london bridge. and so they said ok we'll look into it and they did. and it was up for sale. sure enough. for it and a bid in got it. the bridge was decked out, it had big tents on it, you'll probably see pictures, there were bands and parades and sebly
-- celebrities. one of the things they had was a cage full of white birds. white doves. pigeons. and the deal was of course at the appropriate moment in the ceremony the cage would eep up and the birds would all fly up and there would be this spectacular feathered experience. and that was the plan. well it was hot that day. it was around 105 that day as i recall, and they sat out there for hours because the ceremony went long and so they finally come to the part where they're going to set off all the stuff and birds will come flying out. by the time they opened the thing half the birds were just about dead of thirst so the cage flies open a few pigeons kind of fly out, most of them just kind of spill out and stagger around on the bridge, kind of like they were drunk or something. and so it was a huge failure. we laughed our rear ends off
about it. but the upshot is before that, there wasn't a pigeon in this town. not one. now we're informsed with them. we always thought, they didn't get everything right. they missed on that one. it was hilarious. the impact was immediate and overwhelming, the population just went through the roof quickly. ildings started, you know, quadrupling. you know. people began to flood here. it was, you know, a lot more attention. a lot more attention. and today it's more of a party town in many, many ways. it's also becoming more of a destination city, i think. a lot of tourists still come here to see the bridge. although i don't think as many as there used to be. manufacturing. there's a lot more manufacturing now than there used to be.
they make boats here, all kinds of things. retirement, i would say, is probably another bigie. we do get a lot of folks retire here. on the big weekends, you know, big holiday weekends, the place is just a big giant party. all the young people come here and -- spring breakers and everything. the place just goes a little crazy. it just gets crazy. most of the locals on those big, big weekends, we just stay at home. we don't come down to the lake. you can -- on a big, big weekend, you can almost walk across this channel on boats. a lot of people complain about the parties but personally i think it's great. you know. bring them on. i mean, we had our turn at the trough, let them have theirs. that's fine with me. and the snow birds, i can't
blame them. i've never lived where it snowed. i lived where it was going to snow and i left before it really snowed because it was too cold and i one going to live in snow. i can't blame anybody for wanting to get warm, especially if -- especially from can doctor or any place it snows, and they bring money and help the economy. it's all good. it's all really good. of course it's hard not to be biased. but personally i think this is a great place to live. it really is. i know that it's different from when we were young. and kids, you know. playing. but i couldn't have grown up in a better place, honestly. after that first year when i quit hating havasu and began to love it, i began to realize, i think a lot of us began to realize we were in paradise. you know, we were just in paradise. what i really wanted to do was
preserve part of havasu's early days, part of the history of havasu, especially before the bridge. because there's a lot of conceptions out there that the bridge -- the bridge came and they built a town around the bridge and that is completely wrong. the town was on its way already. it would have survived without the bridge. but when the bridge came, like i say, it changed everything. but i also wanted those memories to be kept. ere's not a lot of us left now. living memory of the early, early days. you know, we're all going. and i think that should be saved, just like martha summerhayes' book that was published i think in 1911. i'd like it to stick around. just to show, to tell somebody that might be interested, this
is what it was like for this kid in this town. and i know a lot of people aren't going to care, who cares, but i know i did. i cared about martha summerhayes and about these other people. so i got a feeling that there's always going to be somebody out there that will be glad that that story was told from first person. not from some, you know, historian in retrospect. irsthand experience. >> in 1851, 14-year-old olive ann was captured by native americans in arizona and survived five years of captivity before returning to white society. up next, author bob bosell gives a talk on arizona history and her story.
[applause] >> thank you. it's especially groovey to be back in my stomping grounds because this is where i grew up. and i want to take you on a little meantal tour of all the places that i used to camp and hang out at and party at and in fact, the place where i lost my virginity is in this list. [laughter] sorry, this is not the brett kavanaugh, but i'm going to tell you. you have to pay attention. we're going to start at tupac, move around to gold road, we'll go down into the silver creek road, back down to bullhead, toward mojave, over to union pass, into golden valley. on the same road. up to coyote pass. mineral park. don't forget white cliff, don't
forget kingman, biel springs, head out to the east, toward red lake, diamond bar ranch is up there. you go around the bend into hackbury, truckston, peach springses where my father had a gas station and i put my hand in a wringer because my miami told me not to and i had to, it stopped at my elbow and my dad drove me where dr. a.a. arnold fwrafted skin off my behind and it's still here and i'll show it to you afterwards. i'm here because of the japanese. they bombed pearl harbor. my father was a farm boy in thompson, iowa. he got drafted. he went do alabama for basic training. they shipped him to the god-forsaken desert he got off a troop train in downtown kingman,
arizona, on his 21st birthday and he said, and i quote, i will never come back to this god-forsaken place. [laughter] he's buried at the mountain cemetery in kingman. here's why. there were 10,000 g.i.'s at the kingman air base. and 500 available women in kingman. [laughter] i say available because those are the single ones. there were others, but we won't go there. my mother was one of five daughters, the guess girls, they called them, their name was guess. they hailed out of big spring, texas. my grandfather was born in new mexico, a rancher, busted in 1929. came up to work on the diamond
bar ranch for chad duncan who s related to blackjack kvetchum. these are legendary texas names and i loved that i was related to outlaws. and it drove my mother crazy. because everywhere i went i'd go, hey, i'm related to outlaws and i'd name them all. and what she heard was, we're related to charlie manson and jack the ripper. that's what she heard. i'm moving ahead of the story. so my mother was dating captains, lieutenant, having her pick of the litter. the best ranchers in the county. and she picked a private from thompson, iowa, my father. he was born in fort city, iowa, in 1946. my father immediately left to come back here, the place he swore he'd never come back and he had a single oil gas station in peach springs, arizona, which is where i put my hand in the wringer. we went back to iowa, in fact, we went back to iowa every summer.
we were on route 66 and going back yards. we were meeting all the people going to california and disneyland and the beach and they had inner tubes on the top of the car, they're all laughing, they're in bikinis, and we're norwegians going to iowa. so we can eat five times a day and talk about crops. [laughter] anyway. every summer we would go. of course my dad was from that -- he was old school. had to get up at 4:00 a.m. had to drive for an hour. we always stopped at the copper cart in swingman, arizona, and my dad always had two eggs over easy with bacon and coffee. i was precocious. i was an only child. my mother lost two children. so she doted on me and made me wear a scarf which i didn't wear tonight. for obvious reasons. anyway, she -- wanted to please
me. my dad was the norwegian who didn't want to ever stop, all right. we were on route 66, i was standing on the transmission hump and i see signs going by and it goes world's largest buffalo. and i go, hey, dad, dad, can we stop? we get into new mexico, gets worse. wise indians. i guess as -- live indians. i guess as opposed to the other. come on, dad, can we stop. i realized he would only stop for gas, food, oil, maybe open wounds, but that was it. we weren't stopping for nothing because we had to get to iowa and talk about the crops. so i spotted this place, it was 43 miles east of albuquerque, new mexico. it was called the longhorn museum. we shot by there, 0 miles per hour, and -- was anybody on route 66 in the 1950's and
1960's? raise your hands? was that road any wider than this table? narrow little road, ok. when you drove on it, a lot of the sections had cement. o it sounded like a train. t when my dad drove -- [laughter] so i pick out this place. longhorn museum, south side of the road, 43 miles east of albuquerque, new mexico. in a place called morierty. we got to iowa, eating for this fourth time of the day down at swinsons. no, we just ate down at the larsons, here comes the feed, you know. i said to my dad, hey, you got to give me one place to stop at on the way back. you know what he said? well, we will kid, if we have time. i knew what that was about.
he was going to drive become to kingman and never stop for anything. looked on a mad -- map..i we were coming out of the club cafe for reckless. we got in the car, and my dad had a 1957 ford with a continental kid on the back. come and that highway he starts cruising with his hands in the 10:00 and 2:00 position. as a 10-year-old kid that every father has a weak spot. it runs from the neck right down to the shoulder, a weak spot right here. so i started poking him, come on, dad, you promised. he is shaking me off, passing 10 trucks. come on, dad, you promise to me.
he swung that 1957 ford into the dirt parking lot, looked in the backseat, and said, kid, you got 15 minutes. those are the most precious 15 minutes of my life. it is why i am standing before you now. bymade a lunatic out of me letting me do what i wanted to do, and i went into that museum and am looking around, and the place has junk everywhere, cow buying and i was in a mood because my grandfather gave me a quarter. he said, by something. how much for that flintlock rifle behind the bar? the guy goes, 100 bucks. i will give you a quarter. he was not going for that.
i looked over here and said, an authentic photo of billy the kid and pat garrett. how much for that? the quarter. boom, i bought that picture. my dad took me by the scruff of the neck, threw me in the back of the car, peeled out of the driveway, got back on 66 to catch all the trucks that got my us while we were in that day museum -- damn museum. my mom is worrying about me. laguna,e shooting into cabero, intoo arizona, do not forget wynonna. and it's your reference to a song that evidently no one here knows.
anyway, my mom is worried about me. are you all right? i am studying this authentic photo of pat garrett and billy the kid. i paid a quarter for it. i get home, i put it on the wall, next to where i go to school, i can look at it, and i can look at it, and i am going to have a half like that, a coat like that, a pistol like that, and i am just in love with it. about a week later, my mom had to go to desert drugs in downtown kingman, and i ran up to the front of the store to buy my favorite magazine, "true west," that tells the true stories of the onewest. west.ile my -- while the and while my mom was talking to margaret, i discover that the photograph i bought at the longhorn museum reportedly of billy the kid and pat garrett is a fake.
now.so mad madd was going to get er because my grandmother, who was from the old ranching family from arizona and who had the five dollars who are rodeo queens and dancers, she would tell me when i would go to her house how we were related to outlaws, which i told you i loved. so one night, thursday, i had to go stay with my grandmother. e,r nickname was guessi because her last name was guess. she was from the last people in a generation that did not like tv. we bought tv's for their parents, and they would just sit there. my favorite show was coming on. so she was talking to me about how the outlaws would come in the night in the ranch and would
steal the horses. sometimes they would leave a better horse than the one they took, and i was like, that sounds like a great deal. enough nerve,up a and said, grandma, can i turn the tv on? i ran over to the tv, turned it on, to hear this theme song, and i see a couple folks here who are old enough. you know who you are. and if you know the words to this, you have to sing it with me. wyatt earp, wyatt earp brave, courageous, and bald -- bold long live his fame and long live his glory and long will his story be told ♪ an old guy, right there. i cannot believe that, young
man. that is an old guy right there. anyway, for all you youngsters, who do not remember the show, it was you o'brien. o'brian.- hugh he drank no, he did not swear, he was not married, he cleaned up every cow town in the west, and in the middle of that, he had a pistol with a barrel that went all the way to the ground. not a nine-inch. he could write his name in the dirt with the barrel. right in the middle of the song, my grandmother pointed the tv right into my field of vision and said, and i quote, wyatt jerkwas the biggest whoever walks the west -- walked the west. really? i am looking at the tv, right, which never lies.
looking at my grandmother, and going, wow, somebody is not telling the truth here, and i aim to find out. and so i missed the beatles on kennedyvan, i miss the -- i missed the kennedy assassination. i was in the library studying about what did these guys do, and that led me -- i will not boy you -- but there it is a book back there on ability kid -- on billy the kid, and the picture that i bought for a quarter is a treasure to me. now, isn't that amazing? i bought a fake photo. it is framed in my office. i look at it every day. it is a treasure. and you remember the couple h boughto when bill koc the only known photo of billy the kid for $2.3 million? anybody know that? see if i can put my hands on it. you got to see it. you can look at it afterwards.
billy the kid bought the photos in 1880. a traveling photographer took a picture of him, and it makes a -- he develops it. tinthumbprints are on the photo, and he took the shares some and sniffed it in four pieces, so it was for photos. there is one surviving that we paid $2.3nd bill koch million for it what you you think -- for it. what do you think billy the kid paid for those four photos? a quarter. history does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme. so now, let's come back to mohave county for a minute. when i was growing up, oldman was a town we would go to on the
weekends, and the scuttlebutt for me growing up that i heard from my grandmother and from the old-timers was that oatman was son, by olive oatman's who was part mojave, and he was the one who discovered the time, and that is how the town got its name. it was the common folklore that everybody hears. so i became extremely interested obviously because of the local angle, and i wanted to know more about it, what really happened. that is always the thing that drives me. the first thing i did was i ordered the book written by a minister from california. and he says a really intriguing thing in the beginning of the book. the book is absolutely fantastic.
has anybody ever read "captivity of the www.c-span.org girls -- oatman girls"? you're pretending to listen, but i know that your mind is on something else. it is a riveting story. and the quote, which is the one that just drove me around the bend is the quote that he wrote where he said -- and i am going -- much of that dreadful period is unwritten and will remain forever unwritten. me was a taunt.
to cut to the chase, i do not have time to tell you the whole story, but let me give you the highlights. here's something. i am driving up from phoenix, and i am coming through -- how to gila to -- you obviously have been that way. those mountains on the left, is where they took her after they killed her family. they took the two girls, and we believe now that that is the mountains where they took them, that these were renegade -- we used to think they were apaches, but there's a problem with the store, and the store is that the apache did not trade with the mojaves. mojaves are the right there. i am going -- and to me, what makes history riveting is to
walk where they walked, to be there where they were. i do not know what it is, and little magical fairy dust that happens, because when you are standing in the ok corral and you are on the actual space, you can almost feel the molecules go through. i can, but i'm a crazy kid. that really drove me on this story. so -- her family is killed. they were killed with work gloves, which is horrible. her brother, lorenzo, was hit four times on the head. these are death blows. they take the girls, they take their shoes off, just to be mean, ok, and made them walk 96 miles from and they are bleeding, and the younger girl said, kill me. i ended up on top of that mountain. that is where they are. they spend a year there, and and bue mojaves comes
y them with a couple horses and vegetables for it now, lorenzo, who was hit four times in the head, wakes up. ey did not kill him. and they start -- and he starts walking khamenei falls government and is having psychedelic-like hallucinations, and the wolves are coming right up to his face. on, we want to eat you in a minute. he chews them away. he is rescued. they take him to fort yuma, the destination of the oatmans anyway, and he wants to talk to anyone in california who will help him rescue his sisters, because he feels they are still alive. girls,the two oatman they literally walk through here, probably through this gymnasium, but it was not here, and they go to the needles, they get to where the town of needles is, they cross the river.
here is an interesting thing, and if you have a hearing -- there he, i wanted her. their crossing the river. they are great swimmers. olive oatman was a great swimmer comanche learned that from the mojavs. --mojaves. mojaves. wen she is rescued and believe that she did not want to be free, because you probably had two children, so she is kidnapped again, and as my web said, she lost to mothers. she lost her mother who was killed in the initial attack. she lost her mother here at needles and is raising to joining -- two children by the .hief's son you do know that the colorado river is totally unlike what it is now. it is a bathtub now.
but in those days, it rain between the rocks, which would be where the parker dam is, and there is no variation there, but when it got out on the flats vetween there and the moja foully, the river would literally change course overnight. so the steamboat captains would come up one way and get out and his allies and all the submit would come up into a cul-de-sac where the river would channel 55 yards over the ugly, so they would have to get out and put these hooks in the ground and pushed backwards. and they said that these captains could captain those boats on two inches of water. colorado river was just so wild and so ridiculous, ok? so that is how crazy the river was. and it was not like it was now. it's looks like a blue painting from norman rockwell or something.
they saidbrown and the famous saying was it is too sick to plow and too drink it the chief rescues. he said we had to swim 10 times to get to yuma. there is my question to you -- and i cannot figure this out -- the guys who rescued them were two brothers, a cousin, and they were scouts, and they were -- i do not know if they were related to the tribe so they could get in and get out alive. but you know that they were armed. they had to have been armed. his 1856. saso they are all busy carrying caps and -- through theim channel, where do you put your weapons? they did not have rafts. i ask you a question.
i would love to hear your theory, because that blows my mind. can you imagine them getting, they are all wet, and it was february -- then they go back into the river and you have to swim another channel. i find those things absolutely phenomenal. let's back up a little bit. why were the oatmans headed for here, for yuma? a latter day saints t, rooster, play four years old, and he did not subscribe to the brigham young school of multiple wives. so he was going to have his own branch of the mormon church, he was charismatic and he talked to a whole bunch of people to leave springfield, missouri, in the spring of 1850.
there were 93 people, 40 wagons, and the woman, susan thompson was her name, she described it in later years, she described the trip the first part as a continuous picnic. theywould catch fish, would kill a deer, they would dance every night, there was romance, they were having a great time, it was wonderful. to then by the time they got socorro, new mexico their numbers had been cut in half. he could not agree. the kid rooster, he had a new vision. it is here in socorro. he did not want to go on. but here is the part that blows my mind. he put out a track, a little pamphlet -- tract, a little pamphlet in 1848, saying we are going to the land of beshon, and
it is going to be a magical place, and it is going to be no war, and the ground is going to open up and be bountiful and all the things under heaven will come to all of you who come with me to the land of beshon. and his location for the land of beshon was the confluence of the river,d the colorado yuma. where there is about 3.5 inches of rain a year. it is sand dunes up to your eyebrows. you could not farm a fake out of that place. so when the mormons that were on downtrip -- when they got to tucson, there was only three wagons left. to maricopa, came south of phoenix, and he spent a month there.
giblets again, i swear, so many times in real history can if you saw it in a movie, you would go, yeah, like there would be a bug --lector collecting beetles the bugs, not the band -- collecting beetles along the gila river, and he is prancing guy comed he has this and he pokes him and put him in chloroform and is taken along. so he goes through two lakes in california, goes to yuma, goes to the gulf of mexico, comes back collecting beetles all the way. comes all the way up to gila to maricopa, goes down to mexico -- tucson, it's some mexican food -- eats some mexican food, and comes back to the oatman white income and says what are you doing?
and he basically says that he leaves a note saying, look out for indians. to fortng to go down yuma and warned them to come and get you, ok? and two days later, the same indians we think now who ambushed the oatmans -- and they do not ambition. you know how they do it in a movie -- no, they walked up the trail, and said como esta? i asked for smoke. they smoke. and then they notice that mr. oldman's weapon was in the wagon, he was armed, the mother months pregnant, and they literally stepped off to one side and said, you kill her, you kill her, i will kill her. save these two. to me, that is 10 times more riveting and ridiculous than
the tact we see in all the movies. anyway the bug guy, they steal his horses and stuff them and so sonorian back to yuma, 100 miles away, and warned him, i'm going to look for more beetles. he is out there poking beetles and step by himself, and he is unhorsed, and he gets the fort two weeks later and says, did you go out and help the old mans? no, it is out of my jurisdiction. it is in mexico. and right then they yuma river was on the border with mexico, so they were on the south side. typical, a guy trying not to do his job. it is not my jurisdiction. they were killed in mexico.
you go out there or i will report you. the commander wrote that night, he cannot make that kulus, as myredon daughter would say. soolive oatman is rescued, the question is, did she leave why do children? now, in the story come in the stratton book, the famous book that i just read you the prologue do that he said there were many things here that i cannot talk about, in the book he says that they were not sexually untoward. here is the evidence, and it is in the magazine. i think i have enough for everybody. i brought this cover story which tells the story better than i am judging all over the place, but you need to have this magazine.
there are five people who knew the truth. and one of them was charlotte hall. a writer wanted to , and about oatma olive oatman she wrote to charlotte hall, and hall said everyone knows here that she had two children, and there is one old man who knows. when it came time for all of to oliveher story about oatman, charlotte hall left that out. now, i may not for the truth. i want the truth, warts and all. give it to me, i can take it. i do not want any b.s. my grandmother taught me that with the wyatt earp show.
but isn't there some integrity to her not concluding -- i admire her. it is the opposite of what i believe. you got to tell the truth, no matter what. she chose not to. and i'm working on a screenplay right now, and that is the theme of it, because that charlotte hall had that class -- had something that the woman suffered enough, why would we drag her through the mud once again? -- of oldman olive oatman olive oatman ended up to be a huge says. she was living in -- success. she was living in new york. she swims to yuma, and they bring her to the commander -- a different commander, because yuma is a hellhole. nobody wants me in yuma. they still don't.
the commander says, why did you bring me this mojave? it is olive oatman. no, it is not. it is a mojave. they had to pull her hair back and show the skin behind her air to prove that she was white. that is how she was assimilated with the mojaves. her brother lorenzo took the first day from southern california and came out and met her and they went into a room and sat for an hour and stared at each other because they could not talk. her transformation was that profound. she had assimilated herself into being a mojave. now, here is the part that i think is the smoking gun to this controversy, and that is they traveled by stage to california, which is el monte, and it was a
hotel. and susan thompson, the one who i said was a perpetual picnic, that is her hotel. and they spent two weeks there, thathe wrote in the 1960's we could not erase the wild from her heart. her wildness shook us. it shook your believe in civilization. the reason she was so distraught was she left to children behind. imagine that. children behind. imagine that. she ended up living in texas, living a comfortable life. she married a man who had no children. she was not violated by the indians. you could make a case that she never had children and perhaps could not -- and so that is enough evidence that she did not. i'm curious, the women are
looking at me. they are looking me like, yeah, what you know, you old man? how many people based on what i told you, how many people believe that olive oatman had children among the mojave? ok, so it is split pretty equal. that is what makes history so wonderful, because it is always too competing store -- two competing stories. conflict is the engine of good storytelling. if you do not have conflict -- that is why how when your relatives write a book about the family, we had coffee every day, you do notd to -- want to read it because there is no conflict. i am not going to talk about that abortion. no, my dad would kill me.
well, your book is not interesting. sorry. is is the conflict that makes stores, and that is what drives me. people say to me, you been doing tours for 20 years. 20 years you have been doing this magazine, and people ask me, don't you run out of stuff? are you kidding me? you know why? nothing changes more than the past. [laughter] when i was a kid growing up in kingman, i thought, i'm going to learn about who wyatt earp really was, i'm going to get to here, slap my hands, and say, i'm done with that. let me talk about wyatt earp never swore and was a better and cleaned up every countdown unless. about 10 years ago, researchers, friends of mine, or e&p or yet illinois, looking at microfiche
-- remember that? -- and they are looking for relatives of theirs because they want to write a book about how dad did not do anything wrong. they are looking at a story from 1872, and it said, wyatt earp was arrested yesterday in a floating -- does anyone know what a bag meal is? anybody here? it is a floating poorhouse -- w horehouse in peoria, illinois. calls upa note of it, a friend of mine who is an expert commences, was wyatt earp hunting buffalo in p aurea, illinois, -- -- the orient, -- eoria, illinois, in 1872? no, he was hunting buffalo in
kansas. next he is going back and reading stories him and wyatt earp and his brother morgan were arrested. wyatt earp is an old defender. so now all the researchers descend upon peoria, illinois, and they find that mr. earp, mr. kling, mr. no swearing, is ehouse.in a whor my point was he was not hunting buffalo in 1872, ok? here's the final thing. we are getting restless. i'm going to let you guys go. wyatt earp spent 18 months in tombstone, so goes the story. he waited across the river from parker at his mining claim. for 22 years, he was up and down this valley. he had a mining claim in heart full hollow straight he ran for
sheriff in couple of. ola.ab he would please the soldiers on payday. yes, wyatt earp was -- and that is riveting to me, saying i thought he was in dodge city, no, he was in havasu, due. -- dude. thank you. >> created by parker dam, this area has become a mecca for water source. it is here where we spoke with an author to learn more about the current state of political journalism. >> started in lake have a sioux city. was politically active in my use. very public and community during the reagan era. we grew up optimistic, idealistic.
the weather is terrific, and then you have the london bridge and spring break and all that kind of stuff. a great ways to grow up. i graduated high school, went to arizona state university, majored in communications at the walter kwok had school of journalism. from there i want to south carolina -- i went to south carolina, became the evening anchor in myrtle beach. from 2006 on, i had candidates tripping over for two years. primary, theolina first of the south. i grew up around john mccain all of my life. i circulated brochures for him in his first campaign in phoenix in the early 1980's. when i left you, it was one of my last interviews. we did a border story with senator mccain, and i said, i'm going to south carolina. we might not see each other for a while.
six years later i got a phone call, and it was him, saying i coming to greenville, if you want to follow along. we drove up to greenville in 2006, and i saw john mccain more in south carolina than i did in arizona. he ended up winning the south carolina primary. that was an amazing election cycle. i thought i wanted to write a book about that, but it was not >> it up. my career took me to columbus, ofch was the epicenter battleground states. it was a state where i was born and do a lot about. columbus was the place to be for the 2012 election, covering obama as they tripped around ohio, trying to win its votes and seeing john mccain who was campaigning for mitt romney. that is my career track. now back in arizona writing books and and the publisher of a website. michael reads a lot like game change.
it gives you information about what was happening around the time when i interviewed these candidates for president, but in south carolina in 2008 and ohio in 2012. it takes you through and gives wereome of the background the candidates were at and what the campaign was like. it is an insight into how these presidential campaigns work. in south carolina in 2008, on both sides, you had a wide-open field. it was the first time in 50 years where an incumbent vice president pence the was not running -- incumbent vice president or president was not running. you had obama, clinton, giuliani, mccain, really great a candidates fighting for their nomination. 2012 there is no better place to be in a presidential election than in ohio. richard nixon said that the presidential candidate, you plan your flag in ohio and move out
from there. that is what obama ann romney did. they do if they could win ohio, they could likely reach 270 electoral votes. there are a lot of stories behind the scenes, personalities of these candidates for president. one of them, a ride with mitt romney. he compared it to the butter and jelly savages for everybody who is hungry at that moment. traveling around with senator campaign on his bus was legendary because he was so relaxed and so in his element with reporters, which was completely unusual because most politicians are not that comfortable. there are other moments i give in the book. john edwards is an example. he was a leading contender in 2008. he had won the south carolina primary in 2004. he got out of the vehicle, very angry, upset at his step. you noticed his body length.
my photography went and got the b roll of edwards together. when we looked at the tape, we noticed that night that john and elizabeth edwards were not holding hands, when they were walking in a parade. we do not know what that meant. we noticed it and a month later, turned out that he had been having an affair, and she had known about that during that time period. things begin to make sense through body language and through some of the reactions of the candidates, and the book gives a lot of examples of behind-the-scenes and what these candidates are really like. fred thompson, another example. he was an actor who got in the recent 2000 late. he had been in movies, "the hunt for red october." with him about
policy was excruciating. you mentioned his movie career, he lit up and spent time about -- talking about "l.a. law." these are the nuances when you sit asa face with these individuals want to lead the free world. i think this book, it is fun and some regard because it shows the human side of candidates and campaigning. also the more serious side of television advertising, the influence of media, it is growing creasing the conservative, not liberal, and right now republicans have the white house, they have the house, they have the senate, 2 they have/3 -- they have 2/3 governorships. a lot of republicans are getting asked a lot of questions. i can see where this preconceived notion where bias comes in, because the truth is the republicans are in power, and as long as they remain in power, they will continue to get a lot of tough questions, as
democrats will if and when they regain power. the relationship between politicians and the press has been rough. people think barack obama loved the press. i can assure you barack obama did not like the press much at all. as a matter fact, as i wrote, the ap took him to court because of the lack of transparency of the obama administration. we were always complaining that the obama administration was doing everything it possibly could to crush out whistleblowers, as an example, people who come forward talking about what was going on in the government. so this myth that democrats love the press. hillary clinton loves the press? are you kidding me? the stories she had to endure about her husband, she as his wife and as the first lady, starting in that time to develop an adversarial elation ship with the press as well. i think that is healthy. i do not think hatred and anger
is healthy. there should be an arms length between politicians and the press. in the case of trump, it is a grand canyon and the lack of respect. i think a lot of it, if i try to understand where donald trump is coming from, i think a lot of it is the fact that he does not have the political background that everybody else we have covered has had. so there is not a reluctant respect and not a lot of new arts and understanding of the traditions of the relationship between politicians and the press. so everything is hard edged now. a lot of politicians at least have the finesse to round those edges a little bit. and with trump, he just says what he says and he tweets what he tweets, and it strikes a lot of americans and a lot of people in the press the wrong way. but i think that is a lack of understanding of the traditions of the role of the political press corps and presidents and other elected officials.
social media has been responsible for the proliferation of news, and not necessarily in a good way, because it goes out unfiltered, without a lot of background information, and without fact checking. if you are a partisan and get something that has not been fact checked, but it looks good to you, because that is your personal point of view, it gets spread like wild car and is difficult to put the genie back in the bottle. from a journalist standpoint, you are working in what i call a hurricane now, a political hurricane, because you can because of trading on a story, trying to get double sources on it, and what is taking off on social media and the world of twitter and facebook is very different and you have to try to address that, the meeting doingns, combined with your old-fashioned fact checking and getting double sources on it. so i think social media has been the biggest culprit in the change of tone over the last decade.
it has allowed partisans to express their port of you and has allowed partisans to do that without fact checking or being worried about facts, and it makes a political journalist's job that warned of go because all of a sudden if you are delivering facts and it does not correlate with partisan spin, then it must be fake news, which is completely erroneous. there have been several big changes in campaigning in the last decade. social media, obviously, the top of the list, but also as important is the proliferation of dark money. the overturn of mccain-feingold by this report has just had a drastic effect from a political journalist's point of view. is not that millionaires and billionaires and special interests have not always try to have their input into our political system. it is just that now they can do it anonymously. and as a journalist, when you isnot track how the money
perhaps affecting the votes of politicians on the other end of the contribution, then something is wrong, something is haywire, and that is what that supreme court decision did. and so the lack of ability now to track exactly who is contributing how much and how those politicians are spawning when they get elected, that is a big story, and i think that will continue to be a big issue until we have a clear case of a politician who is literally bought and paid for, and that can be proven by journalists. i think that case will make it the supreme court and they will take another whack at that issue. until then we went to wait and we do not know what the influence of this dark money is doing on our current politicians, and we will not know until a scandal of some sort that exposes it. i think we have another concern that we will have to wait for, and that is reality tv. the millennials and the younger generation and what their expectation will be of
candidates for high office. is trump an anomaly? is he somebody came along who is different than all the rest and we are going to return to more traditional candidates who have a political background, or is there a negotiation that we need entertained? are we entertaining you? our candidates will have to have more flamboyance and fire to get any traction in this social media age. we do not know the answer to that. my gut intuition is that trump will be one and out and we will get back to more civility and more traditional presidential politics. was wrong about him ever being elected, so i am the first to admit that we could be going the exact opposite iragtion, where kanye or good step forward, and all the sun when those names
would be brought forward when trump was mentioned, now i do not laugh and corporate i wonder what kind of coalition that person could put together. is that the age where in now? only time will tell. the irony is i called it the front row circus then. i thought it was a circus when i 2000 12,t in 2008 and and i ended that book with a trump tweet at the time that caught my attention on election night 2012. he tweeted out an attack on karl rove, the republican operative, claiming him for mitt romney's loss. i wrote, wouldn't it be interesting if trump decided to get in the race? and now he is turned the circus into almost a daily circus event. the tone would be a major chapter. how the tone of a nation has turned so sour and so negative, so angry. we're not living through a big tent time period in american politics.
we're living in small tribal -- an thereere is is not at discussion going on between theseents tents, and that is a problem going forward. to those that want to live in the negativity or those that want to see the glass as half empty, i would say america ebbs and flow some and is somebody who loves presidential history, we have seen these times before where unpopular presidents or presidents were not very inspirational get into office, and they are typically replaced by a candidate who comes along who is an fdr, a john f. kennedy, a ronald reagan, some buddy who lifts the nation and its two point out the reason we are more united than divided. i think trump could lead us into a time of a lot of positive things 170 comes else along who wants to create a bigger tent that all of us can be under. >> today we're going to take a driving tour of lake havasu
city. mayor, can you tell us about yourself. >> sure. my background is being a cpa. i am a retired cpa. i spent 22 years. i was a partner at ernst & young. in 1997, decided to hang that up and moved to lake havasu city. i was going to come here to retire. became bored, started my own accounting firm, sold it the year i became the mayor. i became the mayor in 2006. i have been the mayor for the last 12 years. this year i will try retiring for dead. -- for good. >> are you go. we appreciate you showing us to the city today. it is a beautiful city. >> it is. >> can you tell us about what we might be seeing? >> we're just passing city hall.
right now we put you be headed toward the lake havasu asu campus, arizona state university. the one nice thing of being at this campus -- and it will be to our immediate left -- is that the teacher-student ratio is phenomenal. the students that come here really get a lot of one-on-one tutelage and have really enjoyed it. as you can see, the sign, lake isasu city, and asu headquartered in tempe, but they wanted to expand throughout the state, and we were thrilled that they came to lake havasu city. >> why did they choose lake havasu city? >> the $2 million to not hurt. i think they wanted to go beyond the maricopa county area, which
is the central area of the state, and here we are in northwest arizona. our nearest neighbors are about 60 miles away. so i think after they look at the city and how beautiful it is, it seemed like a natural fit. and so we are that they will expand over time. >> what do most students major in and where did he go from here? >> communications, biology, psychology. but they are adding some majors as well, which i think will be helpful because that is something that we really need here in lake havasu city. you will probably have to try to make a left after this weird lane. >> a little bit of construction going on. is that just summer construction? >> no. the city is expanding >> a bit. -- quite a bit.
we have about 55,000 residents they. interestingly enough, we can expand to about 96,000 residentss. so you want to make a left at the light, and we will go down the colleague boulevard. some people call it main street. some people call it uptown downtown, it has all kinds of different names, that it is the central part of our city. this downtown area has existed almost from the beginning. the lots are relatively small, so you see a lot of different kinds of stores. but some have decided to buy two or three lots and expand. so it is becoming a very vibrant downtown, which is exactly what we were shooting for 10, 12 years ago. it was the change to make up our downtown areas. so now you find a lot of restaurants, stores, nightlife.
this vacant lot that we are going to see to our right is very interesting, because it was private land up until about a year ago. -- theycommunity said wanted the city to try to do something downtime. we bought this piece of property. we're going to place a public square there, along with we are also working with private developers to sell off about half of that so they can put in boutique stores, breweries, restaurants, etc. as you can see, there is a number of different restaurants down here, and we're going to be redesigning the whole street fairly soon, so it allows for a lot of outside seating. there is some to some degree, but we want to see more of that. so we are excited about that. >> when was the city built? >> it started by robert
mcculloch in 1964 and it was incorporated in 1978. he brought the london bridge, which we are going to be going over fairly soon. he brought -- he bought the london bridge from the city of london in 1968. it was opened in 1971, because they had to do a brick wide brick readout. >> why is the bridge here? is. us who robert mcculloch >> robert mcculloch, he is the founder of our city. people are familiar with mcculloch chain saws. mcculloch.ert p. he saw the area, built a plant here, but wanted to bring people to live here. he saw the natural beauty of the area. he was looking for a draw.
he had heard that the london bridge had been put up for sale by the city of london, and he thought that would be perfect. so he was the winning bidder. >> which we are driving over it right now. now, are driving it over and he was the winning bidder in 1968. it took three years to get it shipped here, and rebuilt, he opened it in 1971. along with the lake and the london bridge, those are the two biggest draws for our city. people at the time thought they the londong, that bridge was now going to be located in arizona. there were all kinds of rumors that he bought the wrong bridge. none of those are true. he knew which bridge he was buying, and he purchased the london bridge. and it has been a major attraction for our city. >> where are we right now? >> we're on the island. we crossed the bridge. honestly, never
existed in the beginning. he didmcculloch, something to take a bridge over, so you actually dug out a channel and created this island. and as you can see them there has been some housing development out here. and this goes kind of all the way around and will and will end up crossing again over the london bridge. in one of the original places motorse used to test his -- he also built motors for boats -- is out here, it is called site 6. this is site 6. this is one of the original launch ramps. you have a fishing. that we don't not too long ago -- fishing pier that we built are not too long ago. very popular that you can launch small boats from.
that is the building that robert mcculloch bills. one of the first buildings he bill that here, again -- he built out here, again, to test his engines. , if you can city that anybody that goes out on the lake, on a lake them is a day, we have one third of all the boating days in the entire state of arizona. incredibly popular with people from the phoenix area, but californians, people from phoenix, and all over the nation come here because it is a very long lake. fairlyll he -- always at steady levels mandated by federal law, and it is a great place for your family. it is an incredible lake. >> you have the water and we are in part of the desert. >> this is the desert,
absolutely. >> what challenges does the desert pose for you, and water? >> i think the desert -- water is the key. making sure that we have enough water for all of our residents, but we do have enough to get through about 96,000 residents, as i mentioned. we do not get a lot of rain. about 3 1/2 inches a year. the landscape i think is something that is unique, and people in love it. if you love the desert, you love lake havasu city. i do not know if the cameras can pick it up. this is where they can see where we have built our city against these mountains and hills. and we are about to cross back over the london bridge. >> i notice we have both the british flag and the american flag. >> that is correct.
our relationship with the city of london continues, so we are proud to fly the british slang. bbc just didrstand, a documentary. >> yes, robert mcculloch and his purchase of the bridge. >> did you learn anything that you do not know before? >> i always learn some new, how they put it up for sale, and how people chuckled at the city of london. who would buy a bridge? they found out. we are entering rhodri park. this is an absolute -- rotary park. this is an absolute jewel. people love this part. it is a jewel. we have all kinds of activities here. people love it. people love to walk here. there is exercise equipment here, all kinds of picnicking and other events that take place here. >> a lot of activities here. >> kayaking.
>> yes, i can see these two getting ready or are finished. is an absolute jewel for our city. you want to stay straight. >> ok. >> and you will see, we're coming up to lake havasu state park. that is an arizona state park. >> writer left? -- right or left? >> left. we will show a little bit of the launching facilities. we got some white sand beaches here, and you can see >> a beautiful view -- quite a beautiful view. right across is the tribe, and that is california. >> what would you like the legacy of lake have a sioux city to be? think iti think -- i
is many facets. number one, i want it to be a home where people say, you know, i am proud of it. i can bring visitors here because it is a warm community, it is a friendly community, and we are fun. there is so many fun things to do. that is the thing that people tell me all the time, visitors. there's something going on every weekend. there is an event every weekend. too that i want it to be a very sustainable community. people come here. and people are going, you know what, i want to raise my family here. because it is a wonderful place to raise your kids. and it is a safe community. and i just want people to go, you know what?
i really do. i think people will. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] a book tvit is exclusive and we shut it today to introduce you to the cities tour. we bring the book seem to our viewers. you can watch more of our visits at c-span.org/cities tour. here is some of what is coming up tonight on c-span. next, president trump sent the and mexicoth canada just before the start of the g20 summit in argentina. house minority leader nancy pelosi talks to reporters about the democratic leadership and plans for the new house session. she has been nominated by her party to be the new house speaker. with elections on the floor january 3. at nine p.m., a study of the republican committee.
then, monitoring the state's technology industry, state of privacy, and tensions between state and federal laws dealing with the issue. sunday, on q&a, we visit the washington library at mount vernon or the founding debates program featuring historians. they are discussing what it means to be american. >> one nation, indivisible innocence was we are all together, right? aren't we all? elemental being american. >> being able to improvise. when you look at george washington and the dark days of december, 1777 at valley orange, his ability to improvise to be almost a guerrilla fighter, to
live off the land and the able to do what we need to do to get the job done. >> from the very beginning not all folks were included. certainly minority groups were not, religious groups were not, and women were not really considered citizens. at least. that changes over time. overtime or in more people are brought into the american family. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span's q&a. trump sent a new trade deal with canada and mexico this morning at the g20 summit in buenos aires. the u.s. mexico canada agreement replaces nafta which was signed in 1994. here's a look. ladies, the president of the united states, the president of the mexican