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proven. i think it will be the focus of our congress for the rest of the year. morning, a board on the impeachment increase. that starts at 10:00 eastern here on c-span. ending his first public remarks since resigning as national security advisor, john bolton talks about the u.s.-north korea relations. watch live on c-span2 and :00 eastern. >> next, a debate with the two republicans currently challenging president trump for the party's nomination 2020. former illinois congressman joe walsh and bill weld. they debated their approach to governing. it is 90 minutes. [applause] >> good evening and welcome to
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the 2020 republican debate. columnist for business insider. we will hear from two republican challenging president trump for the presence nomination in 2020. governorssachusetts bill weld and former illinois congressman joe wells. just joe walsh. walsh. >> business insiders provide both parties to a chance to speak with voters. we encourage them to look beyond networks. internet's debate, candidates will answer questions on economics and immigration policy and americans deepening divide. we want to know how the candidates differ from the president and why they think it better job.d do a >> president trump did not respond to her invitation to this event. >> each candidate will have 60 seconds to speak. it may also give an additional 30 seconds to
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respond to follow-ups. time will be deducted if the rules are not respected. >> the speakers were chosen at random two weeks ago. >> thanks everybody again. business insider thank you and have her fill his monarchs are to stand in the same stage with you. start like this, president of the united states will be impeached very soon. the president of the united states will deserve to be impeached very soon. let's cut through all the craziness, were going to spend the next hour an hour and half as anthony and lynette said talking about really important issues climate change and trade and what's going on down the border. let's be clear. this is about trump. this is about that guy in the white house. i wouldn't be standing in front of you, if donald trump trump was present. he lies almost every time he opens his mouth and is the danger to this country. he
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cannot put anybody else's interests ahead of his own. not debating bill weld. i believe he knows and understands what the problem is. the problem is an unfit president in the white house to take those divided country and is dividing. we have to put the country together. my thanks to business insider my thanks to business insider and analysts and moderators and this is the great thing you are doing. my name is bill weld and i am running for president of the united states as a republican. what i need to know me since i am running for
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president. i think all you really need to know about me is that i am a very relaxed calm person. like the congressman, i am comfortable in my own skin. unlike certain other people and i'm not scared of anybody. i was head of the criminal division of the justice department. i think that no one else should be scared of anybody. i'm a great believer in releasing the energies of everybody in the policy and giving them all stake in the enterprise of our shared democratic institutions. as the congressman said, it's no secret that the president is seeking to divide us. it's really hateful. my promise to you is if you elect me as your president, you never again will have to feel exhausted or tired on account of your government in washington that is supposed to be serving you. [applause] [applause] slow news day today. except about two hours ago, , nancy pelosi announced that she would begin impeachment proceedings against the president of united states for the fourth time in history of our republic. governor i will start with you. give a message
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for mitch mcconnell who seems to be the largest impediment to a smooth impeachment proceeding. >> specifically, i worked on the nixon impeachment years ago. i it took the house 8-10 months to get through the investigation before it even got ready to go to the senate. paige meant is voted on by the house and goes to the senate, the house appoints six managers or prosecutors to handle it in the senate then they make the rules. ms. -- mitch mcconnell doesn't make the rules. so those people who think that assumes and goes to the senate, mitch mcconnell can call about and get an equivalent run-through, that is true. if the house and the senate take as long as they did proportionately, this thing would not be over until after the election. meanwhile, cold hard facts, trump his enemies, cold hard facts from evidence on -- under oath will have been hammered out in those proceedings. if you like this is a nightmare for donald trump and he has no
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way of stopping it before the election. >> mitch mcconnell and all the republicans, how disappointing. governor weld and i are going to say bunch of things about the president for the next half an hour, and i guarantee you the -- that most republicans up on capitol hill, they feel in private, exactly what we say publicly. this president, you read the report five months ago, you understand this president obstructed justice, that he lied and instructed and ordered other people to live. it was clear we do read the report that this president believes he is above the law. i don't give a damn what party you know, no party should put up with that. lynette this ukrainian thing today, this is just the cherry on top. so is it any surprise that donald trump picked up a phone two month ago and call the president
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of the ukraine, and said, you know what i'm not going to be the state in less you dig dirt on joe biden. it's not a surprise because donald trump, with abc news, told three months ago that he would take dirt from a foreign government. he deserves to be impeached and everybody should keep their boots on top of these republicans so that they follow their constitution. >> the next question is the ukraine issue and the fact that the republican party has been silent about it. how should the american people feel about that? >> they should be upset. it's hard to be disappointed in donald trump anymore because this isn't a surprise. it's not. again, these republicans, i was in congress for 89 years ago, these are publicans, they claimed that they believe in the rule of law. they believe in limited government. they believe in a restrained executive. the republican party establishment and i want to be careful what i say because i'm not lynette
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talking about republican party voters. but i am talking with republican party establishment, they are a cult. they abandoned everything they believe in to worship the sky every single day. that should offend all of us. by the way, the republican brand on this president is horrible. sweater know why they are defending him. they shouldn't. >> >> i think the ukraine hereby the ukraine issue is treason and other high crimes and misdemeanors. one thing that is absolutely clear is that is grounds for removal office. yes any president of the united states essentially selling the results of an american presidential election in which he is a candidate, and reading it in his favor corruptly. the mueller report makes it clear that any activity this president takes to benefit himself or his family politically or financially is a corrupt action.
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the people saying this they are howg it to joe biden, stupid are we supposed to be? how stupid is the president of the ukraine supposed to be? it's vastly illegal. i have all the respect for my friend bill weld. i don't want president trump hung for treason. >> we will talk about hanging some other time. we will move onto the next question. >> to everyone who has read or watched business insider report, it is no secret i am highly critical of the president. you guys are republicans and he is the head of your party. he has delivered on republican
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things like taxes. are you not concerned that running against the president could hand the white house to, say, elizabeth warren? >> as governor, i never met a tax cut i didn't like. i cut them 20 times, and never raise them. i feel that they could have been more equitable, but this is not a fiscal conservative. he has get along with trillion dollar deficits every year. i was ranked the most fiscally conservative governor in the u.s. and i was governor of mass -- massachusetts. doing.ok some we can't sit still for this guy, a disgrace to the office, almost deed day, he commits some or says something that makes it he isbeyond any doubt
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unfit for the office of president of the u.s. i wrote the book when i was working on the nixon impeachment, and every day, he transgresses that line. we cannot worry about the general election. all we have is the duty that is staring us in the face right now. >> president bernie sanders, think about it. >> i have been asked this question a bunch. to we cansh going donald trump if you are bubbles that fit -- if he challenges him? yes. that is the point. i want to begin him. beatld like to beaten -- him. i do not want him to be our nominee. i am a conservative. you know that. bill weld knows that. i probably agreed with bernie sanders on that many issues. there may be more i agree on with elizabeth warren. -- our --erything
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everything our founding fathers feared. that is in the white house right now. that's a hell of a lot more important than a tax cut for someone like me. now onto specifics about the trumpet administration. many republicans have praised the presidents deregulatory post, especially around the environment. the heritage foundation says that trump initiation rollbacks have saved the country $33 billion in regulatory funds. let's hear from the president talking about that two weeks ago. >> working with republicans in congress, we slashed 30,000 pages of regulations from the federal register. the government will no longer try to micromanage every rain puddle and regain it -- free
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drainage ditch. isn't that weld? something president -- people should be excited about? >> no it is not. the regulations that were rolled back were the ones that would to protect clean air and water in the u.s. i'm a lifelong environmentalist. inhave a rich tradition conserving our environment. theodore roosevelt has the national parks services. the clean air act when president nixon was the president of the u.s. president trump is doing that to slake his dire -- desire to whatever might be beneficial to the coal companies and he's is turning the country upside down because he wants nothing else than for the coal companies to like him. he is an insecure individual who needs to be liked. that's why his cabinet has to
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praise him. for theerve no credit deregulation efforts. the really -- the only other toulations that were was protect the big people in the event of another crisis like 2008. >> it's a balance. the environment and small business in this country. you talk to small businessmen and women in this country like i have over the last eight or nine years, they've been more burdened by government regulations than taxes. we want to be good stewards of the environment. we want to acknowledge that climate change exists. too many people think it's a hoax, but don't forget about the small businessmen and women all over the country who have been burdened by government regulations over the years.
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we are trying to find balance. >> once upon a time, a long time carerepublicans used to about fiscal conservatism. the used to care about the u.s. budget deficit. under president trump, the deficit has exploded to over $1 trillion. congressman, i thought you were a debt talk -- hawk? >> nothing disappoints me more than this. this is why went to congress. we are bankrupting future generations. you got me. president, all of us republicans screamed and aboutd every day increasing debt and deficits.
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trump has actually increased the debt faster than barack obama. deficits increased our faster than obama. but, all of my former tea party colleagues, what did we hear from them? nothing. the one more example of republican party fealty to trump and they have forgotten about every issue they claimed to be in favor of. >> when i was in office, i said there is no such thing as government money. there is nobody looking out for taxpayers here. the republicans want to track -- reason our military. they demonize each other until they don't raise enough money to get reelected, that it -- then
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they declare a special meeting and agreed to compromise by raising everything 20%. it's a totally -- disgrace. trump has raised it faster than anyone else. budget added $9 trillion. >> keep the truck tax cuts? >> i would keep them. >> then where do you keep -- where you cut? >> i cut across the board. you start with last year's appropriation. give to measure outcomes instead of inputs. that should be irrelevant. prayer --good program, increase it. if it isn't, zero it out. >> it should not have been a tax cut for the wealthy, which is what his tax cut was. a payrollhave been tax cut that middle-class americans would have benefited from. republicans and democrats don't get this. we have a spending problem. both parties like to spend a lot
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of money. if you listen to these democrats, they will spend a lot of time rapping on trump. these democrats, they are all genuine. they never talk about how much these things will cost. >> i will give you another 30 seconds. >> in terms of cutting the budget, let's say you have a preventive health program which avoids a lot of -- delivers a lot of good savings. bureaucracy where no one can tell you where it came from, probably a relationship between some longtailed u.s. senator and equally long dead chair of ways and means, you cut it to zero. that's where the big money is. you have to have the political will to do that and not say
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there are a bunch of sacred cows. no more sacred cows. >> business investment is down. any fracturing is in a slump. central banks are preparing for an economic slowdown. taxesthe u.s. have cut and president trump has pushed the federal reserve to lower interest rates, which he did last week. how do you get the country in the right financial footing within the first 100 days? which policies do you enact? >> stop doing foreign policy and foreign measures with taxes and putting sanctions on everybody. the president says i'm a tariff man. it's amazing how ignorant he is in foreign policy. the 1930's.riffs in it deepened the great depression. he thinks when he slaps the
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tariffs on china. it's paid by american farmers and american businesses who need to import something from china and everybody knows it. mr. trump thinks a car made in north america is made by united states or mexico. the average car north america travels across the u.s.-mexico border 22 times. depending on the wage scale. everybody makes a better with free trade. united states always makes it our best because we are the highest productivity per worker. >> i'm going to say too much tonight and my campaign manager was called me. -- will scold me. anybody in the business community right now,
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you talk to investors or small businessmen and women, they don't know what trump is doing from hour to hour. you don't know who he will attack with a tweet. you don't know which private business you will go after. the uncertainty, the hour-by-hour fear has everybody in the business community outage. they are not investing or hiring. this is where your slowdown is coming from along with what governor wells said. these tariffs are finally getting to have an impact. i would get rid of the tariffs and would not tweet crazy craft every morning. >> no tweeting in the walsh administration. stuff --, but at crazy but not crazy stuff. >> some economists blamed the
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slowing economy on the trade war. president trump has put tariffs on a slew of goods. disagreey americans with trump's methods on handling this issue, they do agree that the u.s. relationship with china economically needs to change. without tariffs, how do you change the relationship? >> china cheats. they don't just to cheat against us. they cheat against the world. they have been doing it for a long time. incomes trump. he throws down tariffs against everybody and goes that china all by himself. we pay the price. our farmers and small businessmen and women. made his supporters out there on an island.
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worldd of rallying the and creating a coalition, maybe getting us back into a position where we could have a coalition of countries that could deal with china, he is done by itself -- himself and we have paid a big price. >> new signed tpp, what do you do? >> i would in a heartbeat. i pointed out that during the campaign, trump said we could join the transpacific partnership because it would be dominated by china. he is so ignorant about foreign affairs that he didn't know china was not a member. idea was we would have a consortium of nations without china at the table. it would be our beachhead in asia.
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even the treaty with iran, he is scrounging around to go back to square one before he wrapped up -- ripped up the deal. the relationship has to be complex. xi jinping i had high hopes for. subsidized all of the state owned enterprises and we are getting our brains beat. they are complete scofflaws and ip. -- rip. -- on ip. >> according to a recent brookings report, 25% of jobs could be disrupted by automation. nearly every job could be affected. proactively todo deal with automation and the no one in washington
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is doing the slightest thing about this. our jobs in 25% of the next 10 years owing to ai and robotics and machine learning. there will be replacement jobs with technical skills, which will be higher wage jobs than those that are lost. but we've got to plan how to get the skills and necessary into the hands of those workers. i ran the numbers here, it would be child's play. one third of a percent of the states budget, to give those displaced workers to get free community college or postsecondary education to acquire those skills. the govern is to choose. i chose as the governor and even that went out federal help, the states could take care of that. like a mini g.i. bill and i would be free for everybody. just for the displaced workers and you would get them having high wagers and happy ending in a more affluent society.
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artificial intelligence is going to create enormous wealth. -- enormous wealth in the united states because it is making everything more efficient. the federal government should take charge of harnessing and identifying that wealth for the benefit of the citizens. >> thank you. >> i try to be a member of congress it didn't work out. [laughter]. >> sad about that. >> i'd love to be a governor. [laughter] the governments can play a role here on so many of these issues, i so believe in american ingenuity and american innovation. you are not stopping automation. it's not stopping. and it is as the governor said, is the good thing. it is making the american economy more efficient and more productive. our manufacturing sector is absolutely a hell of a lot more productive and efficient help with fewer workers. what does government need to do? help retrain those workers. you can't stop the market.
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you gotta keep the market going. you gotta keep the market changing, it will lead to good things come about government has to play a role as the american economy goes through these seminal moments where we like move from one industry to another. >> do you buy with the governor is saying, that is not going to cost much? wicking state can take care of it? >> the state can take care of it with the federal government has to play a role is it too. this is the major transformation in our economy. this automation thing. artificial intelligence. the federal government so long with state governments, have got to devote resources to train all of these. >> thank you, congressman. pollcording to a recent more than half of republicans , believe human activity is affecting the climate. also increasingly and. what is your plan to a number of republicans who still deny establish climate change. state whatis to
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needs to be done, which is to meet the outcome that is necessary to avoid catastrophic climate change. and that is to prevent global temperatures from rising more than 1.5 degrees centigrade between now and 2050. that is the injunction from the un framework and of the air -- framework and the paris accord, and we have to put a price on carbon, upstream at the wellhead for oil companies at the mineshaft for mining companies, at the loading dock for being imported, even agriculture is going to have to pay a bit but you put a price on carbon and that has to be either congressional statute or i think is such a national emergency that this might be the rare proper exercise of emergency power. >> do you think that argument will win over republican voters? >> is just so clearly the right thing. the other thing i say here is the democrats are off-base because likely the budget they are doing inputs and my plan will cost 16 trillion sanders
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point 7 trillion, that is biden. they don't talk about putting a price on carbon which will allow the market to lower. >> congressman, is climate concern of yours? >> yes. the republican party had better get on board. or they are done. this is the issue that concerns most young americans. i don't want to sound like way is it too basic here, but the parties have got to acknowledge the fact that this exists. too often acknowledge that it is , real, acknowledge that there is a foreign half-billion planet the climate changes we have been on this planet how long and clearly we are impacting this environment. just to get the republican party to acknowledge the obvious is a big step. if we don't, because this train is going.
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we won't even be at the table. i don't want, i have all of the respect in the world for congresswoman aoc, but i don't want the new deal. no one the democrats come in and just re- revolutionizing the whole american economy. is it too heavy-handed government. but if it republicans don't sit at the table, and acknowledge it is a problem, that is going to happen. >> thank you, congressman. please answer yes or no please. would you rejoin the paris climate records? >> no. >> immediately. can i explain? [laughter] >> no. >> protecting coal industry jobs, 2016 campaign. let's listen. trump: we've ended the war on clean, beautiful coal, and we are putting in and you see it better than almost anybody, are coal miners, they are all back to work and they are going back to work. clean coal. clean coal.
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>> coal produces about a third of americans energy that is a major contributor greenhouse gases. jobs in solar and wind technology are two of the fastest growing occupations. with the future be coal or green energy or something else? >> it would be all of the above . probably not much coal. president trump saying i'm going to build a wall in mexico and they are going to pay for it. president trump said that, i said stuff like that a bunch. he knew and he knows that the coal is dying in this country and it should be dying in this country. it's being replaced by cleaner, forms of energy, natural gas and nuclear. we lost 15 percent of our coal output two years ago on president trump. 20% ofon track to lose our output this year, it's a good thing. it should be replaced.
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it is dirty. we talk about the balance with every issue. balance our use of fossil fuels, knowing that the future is renewables. >> no room for coal or oil. a light heart, it's going to be exhilarating not to be dependent on foreign oil. no room for coal or oil. it is going to be renewables. where i get off on the green new deal bus, a couple things. aoc had nuclear and first draft, the beautiful people made her take it out. because it has placed. therefore it is dirty, and therefore were not going to love it and embrace it. i think you have to raise nuclear power and so this union of concerned scientists and responsible environmentalists. i think 25% of our base. i been around a lot of underpopulated counties who would love to have another nuclear plant.
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it's a great employer, a great neighbor, and i'm not talking about building an enormous plant on a barrier reef which is what they did ok shema, talking about essentially pocket nuclear plants. i think there's a wave of the futures is been been you wrote great impacts. we are back. we apologize for the technical difficulties. let's get back into it. a drone attack recently crippled oil production facilities in iran. president trump has responded. there are concerns of a war breaking out. as president, how would you deal with these relationships? >> i would be honest with the saudi's. because republican, democrat after democrat, republican president after democrat president, through the years have not been. iran is the biggest threat in the middle east, saudi arabia is
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no great guy, either. i worry with these troops us getting further involved in a region that we should not get involved in. our men and women are to be held from afghanistan by now. we support israel. we've got to do whatever we can to encourage that part of the world to move towards a democracy, but i don't like us placing resources and especially in placing american troops and , we are in this weird place where we don't believe what our own president says. we think about that. we don't believe what iran tells us, we don't believe what saudi arabia tells us, but the rest of the world right now doesn't believe what a united states president says. governor, how would you
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handle the u.s.-saudi relationships? thing that troubles me about trump is that he flames to be a non-interventional list but he is quick on sending u.s. troops. a couple of months ago he said after discussion with these national security advisers, i am sending 5000 more troops to the middle east immediately. not quite clear why we are sending troops to saudi arabia to defend their oil supplies. don't they have any troops over there? another have a lot of weapons because we sold them all to saudi arabia. we should make sure they know how to apply those things. and had a fire those missiles. i don't get it. boots on the ground. to another country the regime change or to correct something that we see in the other country that we don't like, the height of the lesson learn on the iraq war. we shouldn't do that. i agree with congressman. our troops should have been home from afghanistan a long time ago. we've been there for 18 years.
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people say "we can't bring them home now." it was a response, basic question, when? how about never does never work for you because that's what they really mean. >> i take those question from online question. 2015 the spring court made all same-sex marriages eagle. almost half of republicans opposed to it. governor weld, you signed one of the earliest laws of the state loophole what you say to members party to gain trans rights. governor weld you just have to : drop your mind around that. i'm so sorry but i came out for lgbt rights before anybody else did. i was by myself or 20 years on that. i pointed the woman who wrote the opinion holding the same-sex marriage is constitutionally required under the equal protection clause and due process clause. it became the foundation for the u.s. supreme court decision.
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i pointed the slew of lesbian judges, i presided over the mary marriage of our cabinet. i am all in on this issue. for the the first things i did was avoid a commission on gay and lesbian youth. we had a rash of suicides in central massachusetts is the result of bullying. >> your record is clear. what i asked is how are you going to reach republican voters who are still against it. governor weld: gay suicides, and relate the stories of people for , including mayor pete who have gotten to know a great deal on their campaign trip. he's very quick to say the most important thing. >> question for for you. last month the advocacy group glad said use the power of your public profile to repeatedly attack the lgbt community. how do you respond? >> first off on your first
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question, anthony, same-sex marriage is the law of the land. how are we going to get republican voters to eventually embrace it? this is one of those issues where it's going to take time. we have to let time play itself out. i think the answer most republican voters eventually is the family. over the next number of years, loving, same-sex parents parent their kids. republican voters, anthony, conservatives that i have spoken to for years on the radio, they value the family the nuclear family, a together family more than anything. i think as the months and the years go by, and they see that loving children can be raised by same-sex parents, this is one of those issues that will eventually move republican opinion. >> i would like you to respond very briefly to the question that you use the power of the public profile to attack the lgb t community. >> i disagree.
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i use the public profile to go after the issue and find common ground on the issue. i'm a big supporter supporter of anybody serving in the military. this is one of those issues, though, where you have strong minded people on one side or the other, pushing it too hard for the american people instead of trying to find an area of compromise. for instance, being able to use whatever washer more shower facilities according to the sex you identify as. fine. people in america should have that freedom to be able to do that. but we have to think about the people say in high school students whother may be uncomfortable with that. find common ground. >> i would like to ask both of you this question. a significant number of present -- president trump supporters in the back because of his bullying
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and tendency to say outrageous things. it is a great time to be alive. we are divided. i've been in the business of trying to break down political correctness for years. because i want honest dialogue. i do a podcast back home called uncomfortable conversations with a black radio host from chicago. he is the black guy and i am the white guy. we sit down for an hour and we talk about these uncomfortable issues. like race and racism. we have these conversations because i am poor -- i abhor americans who don't want us
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talking about sensitive issues. i so believe in free speech. i get really worked up when we try to shut down, anthony, speech we don't agree with. in this political correctness, that cancel culture, you said something five years ago and i can't get a job now. we are way too sensitive on this. >> governor wells, do you agree with the perspective of many tribes supporters that he is the necessary reaction to an oversensitive culture to political correctness? >> i think that spot on for how he got elected. i thought is most powerful lines on swamp. like the congressman, i've always been known as political incorrect. because i sproke spoke truth to power before it's fashionable. i felt the same way about the bureaucracy in washington, it used to drive me crazy when my little tribe about the budget, you can tell in to get me started about bureaucracies. and that is what the president the current president then candidate, was talking about we need said he wanted to drain the swamp. >> draining the swamp and political accuracy is different. >> i found it very refreshing
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how politically incorrect he was. i remember early going thinking that he was the most profession of the candidates. at least he didn't stand around on one foot and craned his neck and looked uncomfortable and look the other way away from donald trump wherever he was standing. in the early going, he was quite an appealing candidate. problem but the problem is we know a lot more now than we did three years ago about how this guy is going to comport himself in office. he's coming apart right before our eyes. >> more than 70 percent of voters want congress to take action on gun violence. congressman walsh, you would say you would loosen restrictions. walsh: i believe in the second amendment, there is no silver bullet to the said human violence is down the last 32 in the last 30 to 40 years. crimes with guns, murders with guns, the numbers are all good over the last 30 to 40 years. the problem we have now in this
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country is are these mass shootings. there are a lot of things we need to look at. i am a big gun guy, but here is what our focus should be on we -- be on. we don't want anybody you gun to have ae a gun. when i leave here about an hour, if i go to a gun dealer down the street i want to buy a gun, i have to go get a federal background check. it makes sense to me that if i buy that same gun at a gun show, i should have to undergo federal background check. it makes sense to me if i buy a gun online i should have to do that. if i buy the gun across town, i should have to undergo a background check. i think it will help but then we've got to really take those serious look at mental health issues. i am a longtime federal cross -- prosecutor. i worked with the fbi unit, that
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deals with serial murders and other sickos. anything is fair to say that the people committing these mass shootings are sickos. i pretty strongly favor a version of these red flag laws that enable a coworker or family member to petition a judge and you can get in front of a judge in six hours. saying this guy has a history of violence, he has violent tendencies, he is carrying around a list of people he would like to kill, he has talked about his admiration for osama bin laden and spoken favorably of islamic jihad, these are all trigger words and trigger states and getting in front of a judge and see whether it holds up. if so, this guy usually these guys have six guns at home. so take the guns away, by all means, before something happens there. and that is going to come a lot closer to solving your problem than other solutions which are aimed not at that population but everybody. >> we have to move on.
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we are nearing the halfway point of the debate. asked republicans and independents what they thought the republican party on trump. and how it will look going forward. let's watch. ♪ >> rallies like this one admit new mexico filled with energized voters staff of republican dreams and they last barack obama in a landslide in 2012. that year, they published an autopsy on the republican party , saying outreach number a diverse voters in the past come back. >> party took on a different approach because of donald trump. nobody was expecting that at the time. >> the president is ultimately credited or blamed for blowing
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up what it means to be a republican today. on the other hand, many have argued that he is not a cause but rather a result among other , things, a schism become between moderates and conservatives that has been brewing for decades. >> this is not the same republican party of your parents and grandparents. this it's not the same republican party of ronald reagan or even george w. bush. it has change a lot. ronald reagan had a small -- trump: ronald reagan had a small thing called "let's make america great." that's good. i do not like it it as much. as sure as hell didn't use it as much. we have sold many and millions of hats. i go to a rally everybody has the red hat thank you america great again. >> many supporters are less focused on republican values. more focused on the man himself. >> i consider myself more about trump than american.
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president trump is a lot stronger. >> absolutely donald trump. >> trump over party. not everyone sees trump's success as a win for the party. >> there is no republican party. >> there is a trump party. republican party is taking a nap somewhere. is probably never coming back. >> republicans are focus on winning, and right now trump as taken hold of the republican party. trump: we are the party of the american worker, the american family, and the american dream. the republican party is having a major identity crisis right now. >> a conservative migrant commentator left the rally and discussed. >> watching all of my former friends off the line behind
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people who were as appalled as i was when trump was running for president in 2016, i can't figure out who these people are. it's like the invasion of the body snatchers. i thought they've had their brains sucked out and replaced with champion mush. >> a republican voter since 2001 was once picked out of a crowded trump party. trump look at my : african-american over here. look at him. >> he said he didn't mind at first. >> i just got it out and i am here. so everybody around me just was uproarious laughter because it was funny. if you were there, you would be laughing yourself. stream of racist rhetoric out of the white house drove him away from the party he had been voting for for almost 20 years. >> i left the republican party because i was fed up with the way they were not white. >> today is running for congressman in california as an independent. challenger said the president and his tendency to lie in his
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cavalier tweets has the approach to issues like trade and diplomacy. trump his supporters are using his style is different, his actions, they say, signal a return to the party of ronald reagan. >> insistence on conservative judges. tax cuts. peace through strength. i was there in the white house when reagan met with gorbachev, and here is the leader of the big bad soviet union come to town and i think of that every time i see trump with kim jong-un. >> if i thought you were racist, would never be here. >> he believes the president has been true to the pillars of the party. >> means you believe in limited government, small government. tax cuts, and social issues, i think the whole pro-life thing has been melded into the republican party. >> many republicans who have spoken out against the president. it has been a question of the
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man himself. even for those who eventually follow behind him. >> i want to talk about trump supporters for a minute. i do not know why you like this guy. phobic race baiting xena religious bigot. >> will he be elected for a second term? trump can squeeze out another electoral victory victory or not, this is the path towards political suicide to the republican party because if you look at the changing demographics of america, this is going to be a majority minority country by the 2040s. and if you know identified as the party of white racism, you are not going to be successful in a majority minority company. -- country. bepolls suggest trump will the republican nominee. the eventual democratic challengers who we need to look beyond his face. >> trump campaign cannot just
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when the people who voted for them or supported them in 2016, they will lose. they have to take people who never voted for him before, never would have considered voting for him and move them over. >> the challengers believe they can appeal to the voters donald trump is alienated. the question is, how? [applause] [background sounds] >> welcome back. welcome, henry. i very much look forward to my time with you. now you are in mr. fisher's good hands. >> the most optimistic polling has you in about 16 percent when matched up head-to-head with president trump. is partially impossible for you to win the republican nomination.
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how do you see a path to victory? >> i don't agree with that at all. i'm ahead of where john mccain was in his to ensure that campaigns which were successful in winning the new hampshire primary. my strategy is to win the new hampshire primary, not to place. patton cannon did and he got 37 percent of the vote and even so, not george bush 41 off his pins and led to his defeat. for five times in the recent elections, the sending president has had a primary from within the party. all five times, the president lost. not on the final, but they were weekend and they lost in the general election. or else withdrawal. the diners and i shake 200 hands at a time. i get between two and ten trump photos out of people who i shake hands with. there are some disconnect there between the polls on the very tight screen and focusing on the republican state committee and on those who voted in the last five republican primary elections.
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i'm reaching out not to those republicans, but to millennials and women and italian butters and independence, particularly in the crossover states in which were 20. four of them pretty early on. >> thank you. congressman walsh, you are polling even lower the governor wells is president trump. what is your path to the nomination? >> let's be clear, let's not mince words. donald trump is a horrible human being. now only a very broken political system, and a very divided country would produce that. but here's the thing about that. donald trump hasn't added one new voted two nephews. not one new voter. he's got a divided base of about 35 percent of this country, but
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he's going to be yet be if he is the nominee in november, any democrat will beat him. here's how i beat him in the primary. when i say the donald is the horrible human being. when i say that i am tired of his drama, i'm tired of his bs and i'm tired of the ugly tweets. i'm tired of the division every day. when i say that publicly like i do as a candidate everyday, i firmly believe most republican voters privately, they believe that. the objective of this campaign , anthony, is to get them to come out and say publicly what they believe and privately. let's not forget what happened today. the president is going to be impeached. this is just beginning. >> i would like to give you birth 30 seconds west a follow-up. officecans who were in have lost their seats. that is a lot of turnover for a party that controls the white house. governor wells, do you think the republican brand is irreparably damaged? >> yes, and he has no plans to
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help his fellow republicans. he made it impossible for republicans to run in suburban districts. he is looking for 270 electoral votes for himself. he doesn't care what happens to the republicans. they are spending the entire year defending him which is what they did with nixon when he was lying to the american people, and then it turned out that nixon was lying and all of those , republicans were defeated. by a mile. they were blown away the next year. >> thank you, governor. >> i think they are going to get blown away in 2020. those congressional republicans, because of trump. >> the republican party's brand sucks because of him. people cannot stand the republican party brand, women can't, people who live in the suburbs cannot. it is so important for people to challenge him in the primary now so that we can plant our flag and say this is not who we are.
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>> thank you, congressman. you have said that the turning point in your support for president trump came after he met with vladimir putin in helsinki. he was widely criticized for siding with a foreign leader over his own intelligence agencies. he alienated longtime u.s. allies, undermined nato, and completely upended the post world war ii international order. as president, how would you pick up the u.s. foreign policy policy where trump has left off? >> one correction. helsinki was not the turning point for me. it was the final straw. it was the final straw with trump. i say often, in fact, i say every day, that donald trump is unfit. i believe that. i believe that because he can't tell the truth. but more importantly, anthony, i believe it because he is or caringof thinking about anybody but himself. and so, it doesn't matter about american security.
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he'll sit down and have a summit with kim jong-un, no matter how brutal and bad that guy is. if donald trump can get a big old photo op, it does not matter if it is a bad, horrible thing to invite the taliban to camp david, as long as donald trump might get the nobel peace prize. we have got a president who cannot put the country's interests ahead of ours. we need a president who will put the country's interests first. >> governor wells. >> i kind of agree. i definitely agree with congressman walsh. we have to agree that the president is a sick man. he is a malignant narcissist. he is not happy unless other people are losing. he's a megalomaniac. he is totally wrapped up in his own head. he is filled with fear. he is filled with hatred. he has to offload his anxiety every morning as soon as he accept, which is where the tweets come from. he has profound autocratic tendencies he think he's going to be the man on the white horse who's going to save us all.
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he does not want to have elections, and he think he can take over everything. he is a direct threat to the bill of rights and the constitution. a that is. b, on foreign policy -- that is a. policy, i would rejoin the paris accord, theined the jcpoa, transpacific partnership, and i understand that the uses of military power are self-defense but also keeping the sea lanes and air lanes open for free trade amongst countries. he does not even believe in free trade. he does not have any conception about foreign policy. you ran as a libertarian vice president but shortly before the election, you went on tv to vouch for the character of hillary clinton. a lot of republicans said they were voting against hillary more than they were donald trump. do you think that could be a problem? >> it could, but i always tell the truth. i have known her for a long time.
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i do not think she belongs in jail. nobody was standing up for her. nobody. maybe somebody from the democratic national committee. i thought that was odd. i have known her a long time and i have known her mentor a lot of people. i will vouch for her personally. it was not an endorsement, although a lot of people took it that way. that is why i did it. i would would again because i think it is only being honest and trying to rescue someone from a bully. i despise bullies. >> thank you, governor. congressman walsh, half of americans have a favorable view of the affordable care act or obamacare, as it is commonly known. republicans have been working to repeal obama care. congressman, how would your administration work to make sure all americans have access to health care? >> this would be the issue i would start with. there is no more important issue in this country than this.
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we have the american people living longer and longer and longer and that is a good thing, but how we pay for the health care for all of these americans living longer and longer and longer, neither the republican party nor the democrat party wants to talk about that. and you have got democrats out there, well-meaning democrats, saying medicare for all. just have the government to everything. you have republicans out there, anthony, saying nothing, because they are afraid to talk about health care it would be the issue i would want to lead a discussion on. >> so what would you do? >> you have to take care of and make sure people in need in this country and those people with chronic health care conditions are always taken care of and never have to worry about their health care needs. the rest of the american people need to begin paying for the day-to-day health care costs and then look at things like universal catastrophic coverage. >> thank you, congressman here
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governor wells, how would your administration work to ensure americans have access to health care? >> they would try to have americans have the option of having health savings accounts where they can decide on a tax-advantaged basis to create their own plan instead of having the government mandate. everyone has to have a cadillac plan. people make those decisions all the time. people buy insurance with no deductible if they cannot take a hit with a big deductible. people make their decisions to buy prescription drugs in canada, to buy insurance across state lines, which they are not allowed to do right now because of the government must so i to skinny down the role of the government in the affordable care act and place more decisions in the hands of patients and their doctors and have people make their own health care decisions instead of having that come from a federal bureaucracy. >> can i jump in? this is really, really important. nobody talks about how much this is ever going to cost. to the young people in the audience, your country right now
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is almost $23 trillion in debt. i will be long gone. i am not going to pay that back. you are. this country has got to have an honest discussion about how we pay off our debt. >> thank you so much, congressman. according to p research, half of republicans feel immigrants are a burden on this country while most democrats say immigrants strengthen the country. how do you talk to your fellow republicans about immigrants in the u.s.? >> tell them the truth. we need more work visas, not fewer. it is a melting pot. donald trump wishes it were not. i want to wish him luck on that. i think the whole canard about these 11 million people, they did not stand in line, they all want to be citizens, they do not want to be citizens. a lot of them are people who overstayed their visa by one week, as i have done coming back from europe on a 30 day visa, so the whole thing is a scare tactic by president trump in order to stir up the pot and have people hating.
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me wants people to hate, bea heat into their heads. trump started with the muslims, went on to hispanics, and then people of color. he has to have someone to hate. it is pure politics and it is the lowest kind of low. just say he is divisive -- just saying he is divisive is an understatement. stephen bannon says if he is reelected, this could be for years of unrequited payback. payback for what? this guy is unhinged. >> the governor is right. for time, it is just a scare tactic. listen to me. for the american people, it is a real issue. people in this country illegally, and what do we do about it? it is a real issue pr we a sovereign nation? do we have -- it is a real issue. nation? sovereign
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when it comes to people coming here illegally, the more the merrier. it does not matter what your color is. it does not matter what your cleat is. it does not matter what country you come from. none of that matters. we welcome you if you want freedom and opportunity. when it comes to people in this country illegally, and people who come here illegally, again, that is another issue where republicans and democrats have to find a solution. because you live on the border right now, you live in texas and arizona right now, it is easy to say right here in our manhattan studio that we do not have a problem with illegal immigration in this country. live on the border for a month. it is a real issue that impacts americans. neither party is prepared to talk about it. >> thank you, congressman paired i will turn the reigns over. -- thank you, congressman. i will turn the reigns over. >> a follow-up on that. how do you bridge that difference between republicans and democrats? how do you solve this issue of 11 million people? , and have both got to give i have a reputation that is a
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pretty hardliner on immigration, so i got to give, and i want my borders secure. i want our loss followed, but we have got how many people in this country illegally? almost a million dreamers through no fault of their own. both science have to come together and give a little on this issue. trade-offto be a between border security and dealing with the immigrants who are here. the biggest problem at the border is this asylum issue, and that is something we got to move on a lot faster. >> how would you solve it? >> i agree with the congressman p at all the people worried about the immigrants being in our midst, they deserve to have a secure southern border. that is not rocket science. all the experts say, what you really need to secure the mexican border is more people and more drones. you need more judges to handle
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asylum cases, you need more the refugeescess and regular applicants coming in from el salvador, guatemala, and honduras, and that is what all the experts say we need. it is probably not as expense as a 200 foot high wall, but that should be number one and then everything else is easy. trump is just a demagogue and he did such a great disservice to this. he talked about a wall and mexico will pay for it. it is so much more complicated than that. >> president trump's stance on immigration has been extremely popular. he has done things that have shocked americans and the world. in crowdedetention camps, separating families, how would you solve the actual crisis now on the southern border? >> again, the distinction president trump want make
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politically is people who cross our border and enter illegally to come into this country illegally, and people who come in legally to claim asylum. those people, we need to treat them humanely. we have to adjudicate their cases quicker. most people, when they are given asylum, especially when they have a lawyer, if you come here to claim asylum and -- it takes two years or more to adjudicate your case. it should not take two years. it should take two months. >> governor, is not your
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position? >> yet -- is that your position? >> yes, and drones to catch the bad guys coming across the soccer field at tijuana and the coyotes who prey on people. >> congressman wass, you raised this issue earlier. younger voters tend to lean more liberal. numbers inin record the 2018 midterm. back in 2012, the republican party itself said, "young voters are increasingly rolling their eyes at what the party represents." congressman walsh, you will presumably want to appeal to younger voters. how do you get them past that? >> henry, it is even worse now. sometimes, i feel like an old guy. to white guy, when i talk americans in their 20's and 30's, because they have got issues that really interests
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them like climate change like the lgbt community, like immigration. our party right now is so tone-deaf. i think we have got to be honest and frank and willing to dialogue. one of the big problems with the republican party, my party, it has gotten so much worse under him. we do not dialogue with minority communities. we do not dialogue with the lgbt community, and we do not know how to talk to young people. andgration is a big issue, as long as we have a border, henry, that border needs to be secured. that message needs to be conveyed to young people. the republican party has to understand we have got to be a lot more humane, again, especially with a population like the dreamers who came here through no fault of their own. >> thank you, congressman. >> i will give you another reason why we need to lighten up on our anti-immigrant rhetoric, particularly in the left half of the country. i spend a lot of time in texas and west in the last cycle, and
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you could not populate, you cannot staff, either the agricultural industry or the construction industry either in texas or anywhere west of texas, in this country, all the way up to the border, without, yes, brown people coming in across the infamous mexican border to supply the necessary labor, and it will happen one way or the other or the industries will shut down in the west. the business of america is by and large quite pro-immigration for this reason. canada has a very robust guest worker program that allows, on top of the table, allows many people to come in and work for four months. they send the remittances home to mexico and guatemala, el salvador and honduras, troubled countries of origin, and then they go home after four months because they want to be with their families. they don't want to come here by themselves. is a hugely successful program. >> the president of the united
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states, two months ago, told four people to go back to where they came from. do people think that the republican party is anti-immigrant? they are anti-illegal. rhetoric, weblican have done a lousy job of conflating that. up on that, you supported back in 20 the make america great again campaign. >> how to use waita -- persuade america to trust you? >> i helped create trump. period. toent to washington eight nine years ago, obsessed with
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the fact that we are bankrupting future generations. i was part of that tea party ways. focused on the issues, but plenty of times over the last seven or eight years, i have lots of the issues and i engaged in personal, hateful rhetoric, some of which i got to live with , the whole rest of my life. knowing that i helped create trump. that's a lousy thing to say on tv, but may be a reformed gang member or outlaws like me. someone who understands some of what i did and we did to help create trump which can help bring the country together and heal the divide. >> would you like to respond to that? >> it makes me nervous because if my wife thinks you are jesse james, she will want to run off with you.
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>> i love working with the congressman. >> president trump routinely rages against the media. he denounces respected news organizations as "fake news" and "enemies of the people." frustrated by press coverage they do not like, including me. a part of press is our constitution and cornerstone of our democracy. on whisman walsh, you are in the media now. what do you think of president trump's attacks on the media and how will you handle your own frustration with the media as president >> it is important, but where does it come from? he is not a president. donald trump does not think of himself as a president. he does not respect the first
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amendment. he does not know what the first amendment is can we just be real? dictators, henry, speak that way. the enemy of the people. but this is not unusual at all. fake news, i get it. the media is too liberal, the media is too conservative, i understand talk like that, but for the president of the united states to have declared war on cnn and business insider and the rest of the media is abhorrent to everything we believe in america. no matter who the next president is, their job will be to unite us with our allies, unite americans at home, unite different members of the media. this guy took a divided country, and he is hell-bent on dividing it even more. if i am elected president, i will try to unite us. >> amen to the emphasis on unity. i think that, you know, when the president said the free press is
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the enemy of the people, that is straight out of the playbook of mussolini and adolf hitler. and many, many other dictators through history, and it just sent a chill down my spine, and wants toven -- that he dismantle our democratic institutions including free and fair elections one by one, and knock down all the trees until there will be no resisting him, and it is clear that that is what is in his head. house,s a book in his the greatest speeches of adolf hitler, which is one of his favorite books. just wayis -- he is out there, and i think we have begun to see in the last two months, him coming unglued. removedme for him to be . that is what is going to save us all. it is not going to be donald trump.
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it will be the absence of donald trump. is an employee of all of us, and there is a room in the white house which used to be used for press briefings, but the current president decided to because,ess briefings apparently, according to the new press secretary, he was annoyed at some of the questions. youresident, when both of commit to using our collective press briefing room in the white house? >> yes, and attending the white house correspondents dinner. . [laughter] [laughter] thank you. >> he is a child. if you say something nice about him, he likes you. if you don't, he does not. look, i am pretty darn outspoken pure it i love speech. i believe in total transparency and i will invite the media to the white house all the time. >> thank you both. we appreciate it. we, in the media. this will be the last question of the evening and then closing statements.
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you both have made very impassioned, compelling arguments why this country should on elected president trump and nominate and then elect you, but you have a problem. in a recent speech, president trump bragged about the loyalty of his supporters. let's listen. pres. trump: we have the greatest base i believe in the history of politics or i would not be here. with all the things i have done, they never wavered. they never wavered. can you believe it? anybody else, you would be down to 2% right now. >> president trump, even famously joked he could shoot somebody on fifth avenue and he would not lose any voters, and he seems to have a point. no matter what he says or does, his approval rating does not seem to drop much below 40%. on whisman walsh, what is your plan to break through that? that blind devotion to president trump? >> henry, by trying to convey two things, that this country
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cannot handle four more years of his bs. the country will be endangered, period. and henry, i firmly believe, like i know bill weld believes, deep down, most republicans know that. they are afraid to say it. they need an alternative. the other message i want to convey to republican voters next year's donald trump has not done squat for you. donald trump has not done anything for you. he said he would drain the swamp. he is the swamp, the most corrupt president we have had in this nation's history. all he has done is enrich himself, go to his golf courses, have members of foreign governments stay at his hotels, and low class americans who put their faith in him in wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania, trump's tariffs are killing them, and henry, for the first
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time now, we are beginning to lose manufacturing jobs in michigan, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. this guy has not delivered. it is a big-time job. he has not delivered for them. >> you have likened president trump to the emperor with no clothes. that is a reference to a fable about a leader parading down the main street, wearing nothing but his birthday suit, and he is so brainwashed, -- he has so brainwashed his subjects, everyone thinks he is wearing beautiful clothes. how do you plan to show republican voters that our emperor has no clothes. >> he has strong support with a segment of the electorate, somewhere in the 30's, between 30% and 40%. i tend to think that will drop. it will not grow. that is not a majority, not even close to a majority. very hard for me to see how he can recover and grow matt base that he has to win the election. beyond that, i think it will be
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a tough six months and 12 months for the president, partly because he is being called on the carpet now through the impeachment process, and they are going to be daily very bad. very bad news for him. the house will not go out of its way either in the house or in the lily. to gild they are going to say what donald trump has done to the american people, and that will be a political brief, if you will, and it will be hard to disregard because it will be on page one of the newspapers every day between tomorrow and the election in 2020. i think he has got a hard road ahead of him. >> thank you, governor wells, come whisman walsh. before we end tonight's debate, -- and governor walsh. you have one minute. businesst to thank insider. this is great for both of us and i think the country. you have seen tonight from both me and the congressman that
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there are trying and true republican conservative policies that we would like to see deployed. be conserving our financial resources as with the budget, conserving our environment, as with climate change, could be conserving the dignity of all americans which mr. trump given what minority group he wanted. they were conserving the individual liberties of all americans. i wouldcongressman and like to see those adopted by the republican party. it is a right of center country. we are not left of center like many of our european friends this has been a terrific evening. my closing wish is from this night forward, let the dialogue continue.
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[applause] >> thank you. where i began. a broken political system put a horrible human being in the white house. absolutely horrible human being. we can do better. we have to do better than a president who tweets ugly insults every morning at the american people. we have to do better than a president who lies to us every time he opens his mouth. we have got to do better than a president who has zero respect for the rule of law. this guy can't get reelected. bill and i have said he is destroying the republican party . forget about the republican party, four more years of him this country is in danger. , i believe most republicans feel as i do about trump and what i'm trying to do is to get them to be brave enough to come out and come public with what they know privately. if you are willing to be brave and say, man i feel this way
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, about trump, i'm tired of the bs, i'm coming out, go to and be brave. governor weld, thank you, business insider, you rock, thank you. [applause] >> and that concludes business insider 2020 republican presidential candidate debate. i would like to thank my colleagues. thank you to the candidates , governor bill weld, congressman joe walsh. thanks for watching us on facebook. join us on business for more coverage of all the 2020 races. we will see you tomorrow for another episode of business insider today. [applause] historian --s a james banner is a historian. his book as about
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the house launches an impeachment inquiry into president trump. at 9:00, an interview with presidential candidate congressman tim ryan of ohio. with anothere talk candidate for the white house, marianne williamson. ♪ [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2018] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit] ♪ >> historian james banner, you have been involved in editing a story of the american presidency through a single lens, presidential misconduct. what is the value of that? ites: i think it is narrow, is circumscribed and it remains useful.


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