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reform policing in the u.s. and at 9:00 a.m., reverend liz theoharis, cochairman of the poor people's campaign, discusses racial and economic injustice and the role of the clergy. ♪ good morning on this friday, june 19, juneteenth 2020. for a nationalg holiday to mark this historic date in our country. we will talk about that in the last hour of today's washington journal, with african-americans toy on what the state means you. we will begin in our first hour with what political observers are calling another surprising decision this week by the supreme court. chief justice john roberts siding with the liberal swath of the court to block the president from ending the deferred action for childhood arrivals program, called daca.
we want to get your thoughts on it this morning. republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. .ndependents, (202) 748-8002 if you are a daca recipients, (202) 748-8003. us at thatcan text number, (202) 748-8003, or go to @cspanwj and facebook.com/cspan to post your comments there. --ning us on the phone excuse me, joining us he is him is robert barnes with the washington post, here to talk about this decision. robert barnes, what did the chief justice right about the rationale for not allowing the trump administration to end this program? he said that the trump administration can end the program if it wants to, but it's got to follow the law in order to do that.
there are various justifications that have to go through, go along with ending a program such and there was no indication that the department of homeland security, the agency in charge, really looked at all the aspects of this. that is a program now hundreds of thousands of people effectse forward, it undocumented workers who were brought here as children. it was not their choice to come. for thisnteered program after president obama set it up in 2012. to citizenship, but it is a chance to work legally in this country, to stay here, to study. it is a two-year renewal process. the chief justice and the course saidals -- courts liberals
there is more to this program than protecting them from deportation, and if the administration wants to change it or get rid of it, it has to follow normal channels. in a we will get to that minute. what was the trump administration's argument for reversing what the obama administration had done? that. kind of just it seems like a logical argument, that one president can create something by executive action, the next president should be able to get rid of it by executive action. their argument was, president obama never had the authority to set up this program in the first place, eight years ago. the new administration has the right to get rid of it. host: what happens now with these daca recipients? guest: the program stays as it is, but the trump administration could try to get rid of it once again, but that would mean sort
of starting the legal process all over again. trump, while he was very upset by this decision, has been fairly ambivalent about the program itself. asseems to think of it more a bargaining chip in order to get comprehensive immigration because this is something that is very popular with the public. public opinion polls show that majorities, republicans as well, believe that people who were brought here as children through no choice of their own, this is the only country they've known, should be allowed to stay. trump has said similar things as well. the question is, is it a bigger part of immigration reform? host: does congress needs to act after this decision by the court? congress doesn't need to act. the fact that congress hasn't hasd for these many years
led to the program in the first place. this was president obama's reaction to the fact that comprehensive immigration reform failed, and he said he was tired of waiting around for something. so he did this by executive action. it is one of the most controversial pieces of legislation that congress looks year after year it seems like congress is unable to come up with anything they can send to the president on this. host: who dissented in this case and why? guest: the four most conservative members of the court dissented. three of them were represented dissent.e thomas' he said this with a political decision, the court was kicking the can down the road because it did not want to make the tough decision that these so-called
dreamers would no longer be protected. with the administration, that president obama did not have the authority to set up this program in the , and the trump administration should not have to jump through a lot of hoops in order to get rid of it. justice kavanaugh dissented on slightly different grounds. he said the administration actually has done what it needed to do to get rid of the program, and by a second memo they sent providing justification for getting rid of the program, that that was enough, that was all that it needed to do. host: what happens next? are there more legal challenges to this program? guest: there are more legal challenges. this whole thing sort of started as a legal challenge led by the state of texas and some other , who said theyes
thought this program was illegal. to court to try to get a judge to say it was unconstitutional. before any of that really went very far, attorney general jeff sessions said, these states are going to sue us, i cannot defend this program because i think it is unlawful too, and we should get rid of it. so all of the legal fights up to this point have led from that made, by thech was way, way back in september 2017. a way, that can start over. texas has said, we are going to push this case, we think this program exceeds president obama's authority and things could start over from there. you think the chief
justice would response to this argument in the wall street journal? the practical consequence of the ruling is that a president can create an unlawful policy without legislation from congress, but a future president cannot lawfully undo it without jumping through regulatory hoops that can take years. this is an invitation for executive mischief, especially by president at the end of their term. they'll issue orders that will invite years of legal challenge of the next president reverses them. guest: i think what you would probably say is the law is the law. thehe law says administration has to do these things, that is what the administration has to do. he has a passage in his opinion , that quotes former supreme court justices who say, you can't cut corners when it comes to government. in thisrated that opinion. when the law lays out a procedure for what has to happen
to get rid of a program, that is what the administration has to follow. barnes, supreme court reporter for the washington post. you can see his story in the front page of the newspaper this morning and follow him, his reporting at washingtonpost.com. thank you very much. guest: my pleasure. thank you for having me. host: let's get to your thoughts on this. dominick, good morning to you. areer: good morning, how you. these people have been here long enough. they have had a right to stay here. i think this whole thing is pushing congress to do their job. they are going to have to do the right thing and [inaudible] can i talk about funding police for one second, if you don't mind? host: we will get to that later on in the program, but let's stick to the topic this morning. joe in florida, democratic caller. caller: good morning.
i want to say the reason that robert said,ike he was sloppy and unprepared. administration is sloppy and in chaos. the irony, trump's first wife and third wife are immigrants. [inaudible] president trump does not want black people, brown people, they are usually going to vote democrat in the future. million trump says 305 , that is aillary lie. illegal aliens cannot vote. they cannot get food stamps, they cannot get nothing. they pay taxes, and they pay billions, with a b.
they pay billions and don't get that money back. think about that. they are helping the country. they pay taxes and they don't and he doesn't see that. he just sees color, the skin and the color. not americans, they are going to do jobs like picking tomatoes. they don't do jobs like that. a lot of employers, they like immigrants because they do hard work. many americans cannot handle it. host: joe, the economic reasoning was part of chief justice roberts' decision here. he quotes him -- daca recipients have started careers, bought homes, married, and had
children, all in reliance on the daca program. consequences of the rescission, advocates emphasize, would radiate outward to daca recipients and their families, including the 200,000 u.s. citizen children, to the schools where daca recipients study and teach, and to the employers who have invested time and money and training them. in addition, excluding daca
recipients from the lawful labor force may result in the loss of $215 billion in economic activity. president trump tweeted on this decision, these horrible and political charged decisions coming out of the supreme court are shotgun blasts into the face of the people that are proud to call themselves republicans or conservatives. vote trump 2020.
then, do you get the impression that the supreme court doesn't like me. the recent supreme court decisions,
not only on daca, sanctuary cities, senses and others, tell you only one thing, we need new justices of the supreme court. our next caller, good morning to you. i have to say i agree with president trump's tweet. if john roberts wants to write law from the bench, he needs to quit the supreme court and become a senator, a democrat. after that, the doctor decision yesterday has heard, done nothing but hurt the dreamers -- daca decision yesterday has hurt, done nothing but hurt the dreamers. thatfered congress a deal was beyond favorable for the daca dreamers. republicans disagreed with it, but democrats only want to use these illegals as a political
bargaining tool, refused to come talk tol, refused to donald trump or the republicans about a dock a deal. play those videos of donald trump saying, let's make a deal, let's negotiate, let's make them legal. you will not show those. he tried everything he could, and now the dreamers, the daca recipients are going to be in limbo. this is nothing permanent. the program is going to be sued again and again and again and held up in legislation, so democrats are just happy to use these dreamers and never give --m a final, a final bid of what do i want to say -- a final bit of peace to make them legal. host: do you support the daca program? do you support making it legal? i support a
congressional program, a law, between democrats and republicans, to come up with a pathway to citizenship for these yes i do. but as long as you are going to bench and dom the temporary daca things that are illegal and unconstitutional to begin with, no i don't support that. i support anybody that tries to undo it. it needs to be done legally and they have every right to be here illegally, raise their families -- how can the dreamers be happy with this decision? now they are in limbo even more instead of becoming legal. tennessee, a in republican. according to appear research, most americans support granting legal status to immigrants who were brought to the u.s. illegally as children. 74% in favor. when you break it down by party, democrats, 91%, support the
program and 54% of republicans favor it, versus 43% of republicans that oppose it. charleston, south carolina, , charles -- excuse me, stephen south carolina. i think i need more coffee. morning, greta. that lady that just called kind of nailed it. we are not heartless people. i am not a heartless person. there is a special place in my heart for children especially. i am a grandfather, and when you have children, you have a different feeling about it. scratchings leave us our heads sometime. he did the same thing -- when he ruled obamacare was a tax issue, after all the arguments, he said, this is not our deal anyway. we can argue all we want, but
said, the supreme court needs to get out of it. his attitude in general. president can a implement a program that should require jumping through quite a few procedural hoops and another president cannot do away with it? it has to be done now, jumping through those regulatory hoops, if it's going to be done. it should have been vigorously challenged when it was implemented by executive order, back when it was implemented, and i mean vigorously. i don't know why it wasn't, but that's ok. notre here now and i do want any harm to come to any children. i want them to have a bright future. it will probably help democrats more than republicans, but that is just the way it goes, you know? .hat is the simple answer if you refer back to the peace you highlighted in that paper --
piece you highlighted in that paper, that says it all. host: the wall street editorial --rd argues that trump can obama can and trump can't? -- the wall street journal editorial board. about asked robert barnes that, what would chief justice john roberts say about this argument, he said he would probably respond, the law is the law. the law says that the department of homeland security had to undo this program in a certain way, and they did not do that. who will this impact? this is from cnn. about 650,000 daca recipients are protected from deportation by this program. 81% were born in mexico, but daca recipients are from all over the world. more than 190 countries are
listed for origins of daca participants. nearly half live in california or texas, and an estimated 29,000 our health care workers, the average age is 26 and they pay an estimated $1.7 billion a year in taxes. more than 250,000 u.s. citizens are the children of daca recipients. jb in arkansas, good morning to you. caller: good morning, greta. how are you doing this morning? host: i'm well, and you? caller: i'm well. i'm not a lawyer and i cannot speak to the legal ashes of this thing -- legal issues of this morley, what you just read, about 30,000 of these young people are health care workers. if there is anybody we need in
this country right now, it is health care workers. fact that trump would up and kick them out of the country in the midst of a pandemic -- they cannot find and he would, remove all these people out of america just because -- they have been there since they are children. they are americans. they all speak english, many of them are in school, have families, some of them have children. and iust morally wrong, do not understand how anybody can support this man. i think about what rex tillerson said about him when he left office, that he is an effing moron, and i think that sums the guy up well right there. host: doug in key largo, florida, republican. your reaction to the supreme court's decision on daca? caller: well, the ruling was the ruling.
i really don't like the idea that one president is forced to go through all these hoops and stuff like that, like you said, it i called in about the one, called in about the one gentleman that said it illegal aliens pay taxes -- what about all the schools, all the children go to schools? they are property taxes -- they are not paying for that. they use the hospital facilities -- it puts a real load on our and that'suation, about all i got to say. thank you. host: we will go to john, who is also a republican, in logansport, indiana. you're next. my name is john. i served my country in vietnam and i'm am ok with the daca citizens staying here, but they are not legal citizens. because they are not legal citizens, i hope they do not
allow them to vote, because i have a feeling they would not vote republican. thank you. pete, ellicott city, maryland, democratic caller. caller: i'm still blown away that republicans, even though a say they would support allowing children who are brought here illegally to get citizenship, it is crazy that almost 45% of republicans -- this is why there will never be a legislative solution. in 2013, the senate passed by 65 votes a comprehensive immigration bill that went to the house, paul ryan and the republicans killed it. we can talk about this all day long, but republicans will never come up with a legislative solution, and that is why they did these executive orders. trump'sr what you say, actions would have deported all of these children, most of which, middle america is their home and ely place they have
ever thought of as their home and brought here as little children. not put forward an immigration bill in office, so you cannot say he cares about immigrants when his administration is one of the few -- this isn't a partisan thing, donald trump is the only one. bush tried to do it, obama tried to do it, and trump has done zero legislatively to try and solve our immigration challenges. that is the truth that has to be put out there. host: james in new york, democratic caller. caller: how are you? host: good morning. caller: good morning. host: go ahead with your reaction to the supreme court ruling. i think it is a very good thing, because they are contributing to the country. they are bringing income to the table, which we need right now anyway, and health care workers.
as far as those people say, trump is mad because he cannot executive order this thing out. everything obama had in place, trump has reversed and it has hurt the country. all right, james, your thoughts in new york. adam in seattle, independent. where do you come down on this decision? ofler: the integration multiple cultures with america is essential for it to move forward. start to identify with that core concept of transcending euro and ethnicity and becoming part of a greater thing, it become -- your own ethnicity and becoming part of a greater thing, it becomes essential. i am a health care professional, culturesing in other and the health care industry is essential to be able to provide good care to people who are immigrants, citizens are not -- not.ens or
as we move forward, we have to think about, what are we doing to forward the broader concept of america? as we still look backwards, we are going to be able to create a good rich. can i also make a quick shout out to john oliver react i know his staff loves the show -- john oliver? i know his staff loves the show, hopefully they will catch this. i haven't not quite -- have a is mixed stepson who race. italian, but- i am most people see me as white, blonde hair and blue eyes, but i think we need to start changing the dialogue and discuss prejudice, about the different cultures that exist within america. goes, people who are ready to become citizens, partake within society, and we need to give them a chance.
obviously trump has gone a bit off the rails with his views of executive power, and maybe ben carson is right and he'll get there, maybe he won't. who knows? half of the daca recipients live in california and texas, the darker blue shaded states on this map, and you can see where they live in the other parts of the country, the darker color indicating more of a population in certain states. let's go to james, montgomery, illinois, democrat. caller: yeah, hello. host: good morning. think theah, i children, the daca should be here. i do not know what is with trump and the republican party cannot been for themselves. they have an issue, everybody has to think the same. they have a supreme good justice
-- supreme court justice that doesn't think the same? get him out of there. can't run a country. he cannot run a business. everyone thinks he is a businessman, he is a thief. he steals from the american people. look what he does with everybody, the black people, he just wants everybody fighting with each other. let's stick to the topic. let's go to joe in staten island, new york. [inaudible] that's all, thank you. host: moving on to connie in illinois, republican. caller: yes. this, i just listened to a daca recipient this morning, and
he said donald trump put out a very good bill. that was to get a thing going where the daca recipients could become legal citizens, but the democrats turned it down because they didn't want to fund the guy said he was brought here when he was one year old. , and now married with kids he said there needs to be a wall. he said, this president has done immigrants that anyone. goes in theis supreme court, president obama told us over and over that he did not have the right to do the daca thing, and it would be a
grievous mistake if needed, and he turned right around and did. realu people need to get and start watching politics. quit listening to cnn and msnbc. host: all right, connie. on the congressional front, the wall street journal reports congress faces less pressure to act because of this decision and write that house speaker nancy pelosi said house democrats had already laid out a marker and legislation passed last year that would give the conditional permanent resident status to dreamers for 10 years. what we would really like is to come together to talk about comprehensive immigration reform that goes well beyond the legislation we just talked about, but there is not anybody in the immigration community
that wants us to train a wall for immigration -- trade a wall for immigration. leader keviny mccarthy told reporters that while he hopes congress would be able to reach a deal on immigration legislation, the court's decision will likely remove the kind of pressure that can help compel lawmakers to find an agreement under deadline. the senateer came to floor yesterday to response to the court's decision. [video clip] daca kids andrful their families have a huge burden lifted off their shoulders. they do not have to worry about being deported. they can do their jobs. believe thisi do -- someday soon, they will be american citizens. i have met so many of these beautiful children and their families and seeing them grow up. to america as little kids and all they want to be as americans. they work hard.
i met some of them during the covid crisis in new york, risking their lives to deal with the health care crisis we had. i have seen them enlist in the armed forces and go to college, and of our best colleges law schools, and climb the american latter that has been around for so many years that people want to rip away. this has been a wonderful, wonderful day for the doctor kids, their families, and for the american dream. host: that was senator schumer on the floor yesterday. sarah in pasadena, what do you of the decision? caller: i thought i was going to be on the television? i am seeing schumer -- host: ignore your television,
you are on. caller: ok. host: sarah, go ahead. oh, ok. i think that the daca recipients should be left to stay. the ones that are here. but i think the law should be changed so that people can't get citizenship period who come it legally. if they came it legally, that should hold true also -- came should hold true also that their kids should not be able to get citizenship automatically. sarah, let me read this for you. this is from the government, the u.s. citizenship and immigration services, about the daca program. 15, 20 12.on june certain people who came to the
united states as children and meet several guidelines may request for deferred action for , eligible for work authorization, and it does not provide lawful status to the daca recipients. is senator ted cruz, republican of texas, responding to the decision. [video clip] >> everyone knows the game they are playing. they are hoping in november in the election there is a different result in the election. there is a new administration that comes in and decides that this is a good thing. is alleight-of-hand about playing policy. five justices today held that it was illegal for the trump administration to stop breaking the law. that's bizarre.
is because the obama administration violated federal immigration laws. wink -- let'sk pretend, because that is what they are doing, is pretending, trump has to continue violating the law and behaving illegally. chief justice roberts knows exactly what he is doing. senator ted cruz, republican of texas on the floor yesterday. danny and south carolina, democratic caller. what did you think of the decision? caller: they work, they go to school -- why don't they send melania back, because she is a foreigner? host: nic, independent. caller: yes, i don't have a problem with the daca kids staying. i'm an independent, but i am a conservative independent. i think the supreme court was
wrong, but that is their decision. i think cruise is exactly right ruz is exactly right and your lady callers said exactly what i was thinking. andink schumer and pelosi dick durbin -- he doesn't talk -- forgetut daca about comprehensive reform, because all that means is and is -- is amnesty. don't get by on policy, so they have to have a permanent underclass. about oneeople think little aspect of the issue and don't have any idea of how things should be done or done correctly, especially when they are talking about trump. the dacat been against kids. he was trying to get a good deal he wantst, but security and to make sure more
illegals don't come. when you have people who spend time and money trying to do it the right way -- i guess we don't do it the right way. people do not understand, especially many of your callers, leadership. it is not a popularity contest. trump is doing as good of a job beingdy roosevelt president, and between these idiots, you do not have people who know what is going on in their own country. host: nic's thoughts in florida, an independent. port charlotte, also an independent. welcome to the conversation. caller: thanks for taking my call. a couple of issues -- i always heard you can't legislate peopley, and all these are calling in about my moral, ist i think, ethical -- that the first issue. i don't think that's democratic.
the real issue is that all the politicians and the judges take an oath to the constitution. the constitution is not being followed here. this is the real issue. i decide my opinion is greater than my oath to the upholding the laws of this land, where after all, we are a laws, we are all laws, we are not.but i cannot see how it is any simpler than that. i appreciate you taking my call. know what other people think. thank you very much. we will get to those other thoughts. arthur in memphis, tennessee, democratic caller. caller: yes, i agree with --. host: ny? -- and why? some of them are in the
army and the navy, they fight for their country, and they deserve to be here. another thing, mr. trump has alzheimer's. you don't know that, do you get go host: arthur -- do you? host: arthur out of memphis, tennessee. tells joe biden, take her off the vp list. the minnesota senator said she told democratic presidential candidate joe biden that he should pick a woman of color. america must seize on this moment. from the hill newspaper, the oklahoma menu management -- menu management for president trump's rally this saturday has asked the trump campaign for a health and ahead of the rally -- health plan ahead of the rally. int rally taking place tulsa, oklahoma at 8:00 p.m. eastern time, we will have coverage of it. watch it online or listen on the
free c-span radio app. --, independent. caller: good morning. it is amazing how people can call in and have all these different opinions about the kids that come here. it's amazing. i mean, the only people that really have a legitimate complaint is the indians. all of us are immigrants. i mean, who you think build this country -- built this country and is always week, this, we, that that has anyone set the indians down and gotten their opinions? it is stupid. thank you. host: who are the daca recipients and what guidelines to they have to follow?
the court of u.s. citizenship and immigration or mrs. -- you have to be age 31 or younger as of june 15, 2012 to apply, come youre united states before 16th birthday, continuously reside in the united states since june 15, 2007. at the time of making a request for daca, had no lawful status as of june 15, 2012. currently in school, graduated, or obtained a certificate of completion from high school, obtained a ged or an honorably discharged veteran from the have not been convicted of a felony, significant misdemeanor, three or other misdemeanors, or pose a security.national that is the criteria you have to fit in order to get this daca status. pennsylvania. wayne is a democrat there and
you are on. good morning. hey, how are you doing? i say leave them alone. it is not their fault that they are here, you know? say something. i get so tired of these white -- right wing republicans anding in, moaning groaning, ted cruz is right -- i don't want to get into it. it is unbelievable. that man is so unfit to be president it ain't funny. ted cruz is a joke to start with, but i'm glad the justice ruled the way it did, and god bless you and have a nice day. host: u2, wayne. paul, baldwin, mississippi, republican. caller: hello. i was just wondering, does anyone else beside myself think this is just payback for bush,
president beat his put thebrother and he chief justice on, a lifetime job, and i think he is just doing this for bush. thank you. ok.: tom in new york, an independent. good morning, c-span. thank you very much. i have nothing against people coming here illegally. i have problems with people coming here illegally -- coming here legally. i have problems with people coming here illegally. [inaudible] if people come in here illegally and take my -- take jobs from them, that's not right. i am tired of people telling me that i have to accept these kids
when their parents brought them here illegally. up toparents need to step the plate. they are here illegally, they came here illegally, they brought their kids here it legally, and now you want to take care of the problem. it is not right and i sick and tired of it. i am sick and tired of people breaking the law and getting away with it. host: tom, before you go, you said your business. what is your business? caller: construction, building houses on the east end of long island, the most expensive place in the world. these people have all the money in the world. host: how much do you pay your guys, and you are getting outbid by people that are paying their labor how much less? lessr: at least $10 to $12 per hour. i pay my guys $15 to $25 per for their experience.
they do not know a lot of their occupations thereat. a lot of them get hurt, a lot of them get killed. i supervise my guys. safety.the these people are the richest people in the world, and to save a few bucks, they were higher -- will hire illegal aliens and displace american citizens. i'm really getting sick of it. tom in new york. max in florida, a democrat. caller: good morning to you. i would like to say first, looking at the decision that was written, the five-or decision written by the chief justice, it was very narrowly crafted. it did not hold up doc is right, which originally held, the
manner in which president trump attempted to cause the executive order of president obama to be nullified. didn't comply with the law. is still in ap , hetion which if you chose could have a proper order in theh you would exclude, or protections the daca people have. he is confronted with kind of a dilemma, because if he does that someis going to be facing serious opposition from people who are independent who are very dacas.etic to the it seems to me, what he has been doing is saying that if you reelect me, i will appoint and moreive justices and more conservative judges,
and you won't have results that the gay community and the daca decision. that basically is what i see from what is happening. also, this decision, there was somebody who indicated president trump was not opposed to daca, but one of his promises at 2016 was to terminate the daca program. that addresses the matter. everyone has to be sympathetic to americans who are being who is not anyone qualified and gets paid a lower rate. that's unfortunately a reality, and this summer i am dealing with that. thank you very much. anniston, alabama,
barbara, good morning to you. an independent caller. caller: good morning to you. i liked the guidelines for daca as far as it went, because i do believe that these young people, and some of them in their 30's now who came to this country as children, they had no choice. and they brought here know nothing other than an american way of life. did not go far enough to address their parents. their parents came here and i don'tegally, think daca should be covering their parents. i think their parents -- host: it doesn't cover their parents. caller: it does not cover their parents. it doesn't say anything at all about their parents who brought them. they should be deported.
they are here illegally. i heard what the man said in new york about his business dean ruined? at from the south, the blueberry pickers, the tomato pickers, the poultry that arethe people working in the mobile home industries. they are losing their jobs to illegals who are working those jobs at a much lower rate, and these businesses are being rated by a regression and they pull him out of there, and then slowly -- by immigration and they pull them out of there, these illegals start displacing american workers who just want to work a job at a reasonable salary.
so that's my problem. host: got it, barbara. richard in title, oklahoma, -- in tuttle, oklahoma, a republican. your screen or, i want to go out and rob a bank, get caught, and get deferred action on my criminal activity. i think every american not to be the same. you are a daca recipients, you cannot be convicted of a felony, a misdemeanor, three or other misdemeanors, and you cannot pose a threat to national security. james in tennessee, independent. caller: thank you for accepting my call. can you hear me? wewe are listening -- host:
are listening, james. caller: [inaudible] the lady just calling in from alabama? [inaudible] if you want them to go back, we need to go back, you will need to go back too. all you white people need to go back to europe, scandinavia, germany, wherever you came from. they came here and raped, rob, and in the enslaved -- raped, ro -- andnd in enslaved. have a great day. host: another james in
massachusetts, democratic caller. of the people calling in here, they wasted the first four minutes of your time and with the washington post reporter, because nobody heard the man. what the man told you was that daca was not, was a legally made by obama and what they are -- was illegally made by obama and what they are doing is giving trump another shot at taking it out. he wanted to take out daca the way it was put in by obama so it could be made legal by congress. he didn't want to do it by executive fiat, he wanted to do with the proper way, the same way he did with obamacare. he did not want to entirely ruin obamacare, but he was going to states, 1000 times by which is why they wanted to put it out -- take it out and put it back in right.
i am a democrat my whole life, but i want you to know that i am a fair democrat. this, gretato say -- if c-span is not going to allow people to call in and call thisbody effing idiots and think you are degrading the entire program. i think you should be stopped or these people should be warned not to do this anymore, and i have one other point -- i defy you, i defy you to find the call where donald trump said all mexicans are murderers and rapists. this is a media driven narrative and it has been twisted all around every different way you can find it, but i went looking for about a month and i could not find it. editeday, you read and -- an edited tweet from adam theff, because i saw
before.weet the night host:host: we can edit a tweet. that is impossible to do. on swearing, we try to catch people who are using inappropriate language. we ask people to keep the conversation civil, to argue your point without calling the other side names. we ask for that, we try to police that as much as we can, but it is an open forum. as long as people keep it appropriate, than we are going to allow people to talk. jerry in pittsburgh, texas, a republican. good morning. caller: good morning. i have requested immigration laws from john carmen's office -- john cornyn's office in 2010,
and i read it and read the footnotes. there is a law, u.s. 13-24 that you can google, and it gets into detail about immigration. in 2013, they started coming , ships througher america on trained and things and it 80% of them -- and 80% of them were up to 24 years old. 20% of them were under 16. this went on until obama went out of office and george soros started financing caravans of people coming across mexico and europe. -- 52ame in from 5250 compani s different countries across the border. the children near dead, to die at the border. host: jerry, where did you read
all this? caller: google it. don't take my word for it. people are intelligent enough to use a cell phone or a smart phone or a computer. you google it. host: michael in dallas, texas, democratic caller. caller: yes, i am for the daca. i'm glad they actually passed it. understand people saying things like they need to go back and stuff like that. the united states was built off of immigrants. the first people to come to the united states was actually , and they built what we have today, and to say that people, the immigrants are taking people's jobs is backwards, you know? were paying people that were immigrants a lower wage just to get over on them, and now they are coming to a realization of, they can get any
y.y a --n equal pa forunited states is known giving people chances, so why would you not give a person a chance just because they are an immigrant? they want to succeed in life. succeed in life, so why wouldn't you give them the opportunity? i appreciate you giving me the opportunity this morning. host: michelle in florida, independent. caller: i wanted to say that a lot of times, we forget that these children are actually -- we have invested in them quite a bit through property taxes and they have gone to school, k-12, and many states have college programs that are subsidized by state taxes and other revenues. are part of our country, our citizens, we have all invested in them.
we need to keep them around. in order to do that, we would keep a parent or two, or choose if we want them to raise their kids or choose their kids to go into the system eventually. they are born here, they are citizens, and we have spent quite a bit of money. put some numbers together about who these daca recipients are. over 650,000 are protected from deportation by the program, nearly half live in california or texas, and an estimated 29,000 our health care workers. the average age is 26 years old and they pay an estimated $1.7 billion a year in taxes. the figure includes personal income, property, sales and excise taxes, according to an this, thethat tracks institute on taxation and economic policy. 250 thousand u.s. citizens are the children of daca recipients.
howard in jackson, new jersey, republican. caller: yes ma'am. and my namelican, is howard. good morning. i know this country was built on immigrants [inaudible] but these immigrants, when they came in, they came the proper way. they became citizens of the united states of america. they follow the laws, as we follow the laws, as americans, i am a veteran -- united states air force -- i fought for my country in iraq and i feel like we are losing a battle here. when we talk about daca and immigrants, we have to bring them and legally. we welcome them, the door is opened, but legalization is the proper way to go. judiciary,ed to the carl holds for the new york times writes this piece this morning -- protege confirmed mitch mcconnell is one judge
closer to his goal. on thursday, the senate confirmed the 52nd federal appeals court judge of the trump court era for that u.s. court of appeals for the district of columbia. was 51-42. the outcome was sweet for with the court's newest member being 38-year-old justin walker, a native of mr. mcconnell's hometown, louisville. net of his cory wilson of mississippi, another nominee aggressively opposed by democrats. ifopposed next week, -- confirmed next week, he would be the 53rd circuit court judge nominated by mr. trump and placed on the bench under the stewardship of mr. mcconnell. under judge wilson's vacancies would
exist on the nation vacancy wou. georgia, independent. caller: i have to admit that i have not been listening all the time. i don't know if anybody has brought this point of. -- point up. what happens is the possibility of their parents being here that came across illegally, being granted citizenship through chain migration. that is lost in the conversation unless someone else has called in. how would that be allowed under daca? where do you see that under the daca proposal? caller: maybe i misunderstand it. they cannot be deported.
if they are left here, they have citizenship. host: there is no legal status. deportation, and and work.to renew it does not say anything about their parents. caller: them not being citizens ine, they cannot engage chain migration. host: correct. i don't think there is anything in the proposal that says that. i'm asking you because you said that happens. caller: that is what i assumed happened. that is a talking point i had heard. host: we will leave it there. we will take a break. when we come back, we will talk about the national debate on policing in america with bernard character. erik.rnard k
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a.m.saturday at 10:00 eastern. on c-span, online at c-span.org, or listen on the free c-span radio app. >> "washington journal" continues. host: bernard kerik here with us. the right on crime organization. from your perspective of all policing,s working in what do you want washington no as they debate police reform? what do you think should happen? guest: first and foremost, don't to one million on a fewficers based different incidents.
i think that is what is happening recently. especially with the floyd incident. anger and what happened at the floyd incident has generated talk and rhetoric that i think is harmful to the country and to the police arena. what happened to mr. floyd was a murder. it happened to happen, just so happened that the guy that murdered him was a cop. anyone think i talked to -- i did not talk to one cop, one police officer, one investigator, no one thought there was anything ok about mr. floyd's murder. i think those cops, especially
the one that is on top of him should go to prison for the rest of his life. i personally said that i believe personally that his murder was a first-degree murder, that he should be charged at the highest level. be heldr cops should accountable, too. they stood there like more ons. said, that is not the same. you cannot compare mr. floyd with mr. brooks. unfortunately, they happened back to back. said, i think people have to realize that the men and women that go out every day and , they put their lives on the line for people they don't know. they don't care what color your skin is, what religion you are, where you came from.
they put their lives on the line. many of them lose those lives. last year, we had 89 police officers killed in the line of duty. i think sometimes people forget that and forget that they are really good people for the most part. , yes, but atapples the end of the day, i think it is up to the administrators and police executives to find them and identify them. them.stratively deal with internal,omething policy, and if they are bad apples, lock them up. that's what i think people should know. the police officers in minnesota, are they protected by qualified immunity, and should
that be looked at in any policing reform? guest: i think it is an option. first of all, i don't know minneapolis or minnesota law. i don't know if they are or not. overall as a general standard, that is something that should be looked at. that there are two issues that i hear a lot of talk about. i hear a lot of talk about unions, and i hear a lot of talk about qualified immunity. for me as an executive, if you andan aggressive manager, you are doing the job you're supposed to, neither one of those things make a difference to me because you are doing what is right. if you are going after the bad apples and getting rid of the
ones that should not be there, so long as you are following due process, as long as you held a case against those officers, you can have the union screaming and yelling all they want. with some a problem officers. island for six years before i ran the nypd. somebody was telling me, one of my chiefs was saying the unions are not going to be happy. i had my chiefs of personnel sitting there. said, go down and get a table of organization and bring it to my office. i put it up on the wall and said show me where the union is within that table of organization. they are not there. they do not work for me. they don't fall within the mayors chain of command.
i'm not worried about the means. if a manager is doing his job and doing it right, he can hold people accountable. he should hold people accountable. that is my own opinion. crimewhat is the right on organization and what is its mission? guest: the right on crime organization is one of the best organizations out there right now when it comes to criminal justice reform, promoting criminal justice reform, getting legislation passed. that part of the committee went to the president and helped act -- the first that first step act passed.
i had worked with the obama administration for close to three years trying to get this accomplished. it did not happen. when president trump came in, i did not think it would happen. people told me it is never going to happen under president trump. through a lot of hard work by a lot of different people, right on crime was in the forefront, we got the legislation passed. i think there is more to do. criminal justice reform is a complicated matter. you have people in this country that are hard-core conservatives. believeans who everybody should go to prison, everybody should be imprisoned as long as you can keep them there, and that will rid us of crime. i'm a republican.
i'm conservative when it comes to national security. i'm conservative when it comes to economics. that everybody has to go to prison. i don't believe that everybody should go to prison. place whereon is a bad people go that did bad ,hings, violent people go people that we are afraid of, that we are scared to death of. those are the people that belong in prison. first-time nonviolent offenders, low-level drug offenders that we feel can be rehabilitated or put in a position where we can just about guarantee that there is not going to be recidivism, don't destroy their lives.
foron is a training ground criminality. that is what it is. you learn how to steal, cheat, lie, manipulate, gamble. you learn how to fight and survive. is that what i want coming back into my community? some young kid gets picked up on a first-time nonviolent drug offense, and we destroy his life, we turn him into a convicted felon. we want to put him back in the community. if he does 18 months in prison, and i have seen this, where prison ongets sent to a nonviolent felony and then goes back home after 18 months. really adamantly against things like that.
that is why i joined the group i think we put too many people in prison. we have people going to prison forlife, double life nonviolent offenses. something has to be thought about and looked at by congress and members of congress from a realistic point of view for the public to decide. my biggest problem with criminal justice reform in washington is the inability of congress did do their job. officer,en a police police executive for my whole career. i was not too familiar with what went on in washington until i got involved in this. done of things don't get
because congress cannot get out of their own way. political partisanship and deadly inon, it is certain arenas. on the criminal justice side, i think they could do more, should do more and hopefully will focus on this in the future. host: let's get to calls. craig in indianapolis, democratic caller. caller: if i'm not mistaken, bernard kerry was put in jail himself because of his crookedness. he is a crony of donald trump. and rudy giuliani. atlanta, the guy in atlanta, it is like chris cuomo said last
night, he was embarrassed. if you shot somebody in the back, you a coward. host: ok. kirk.d i went to prison for eight felony counts that i pled guilty to. ethical and civil issues that should have been handled that way. when you put people in prison, i will not get into that. we would be here for three hours. and the that experience president's pardon of you shared your view on criminal justice reform? guest: no.
i will tell you that my view on acton and the first step and criminal justice reform in general, my view came out of that time of being targeted by the u.s. government and being when yourison because work in the capacity of a police officer, your whole function is to enforce the law. i remember in 2003, justice kennedy, he was giving a speech to the american bar association. he said once those prison doors close, nobody cares what goes on. from my perspective, that is true. nobody sees, nobody cares. timee end of the day, my was extremely important when it
comes to my ability to understand the system better because i got to see it from both sides, how destructive prison is to families, especially young kids. my own kids went through it when i was sent to prison. think firsthand, and i that was the benefit in pushing the president to sign the first that act. withr: my opinion is regarding this movement to defund, demoralize, disarmed the police, while the police are a target, they are not the target. the target is law-abiding men and women, the woman that does not want to get raped, the man that does not want to get mugg
ed. to have the whole country look like -- is the goal to have the whole country look like baltimore after the freddie gray riots? record numbers of murders. is the endgame of defund the ,olice actually to expand crime expand violence, to have mayhem on the streets? guest: i think you have two issues. they are separate from each other. the first issue is that there are cities in this country. when you think of the political rhetoric or whatever you want to aboutt, the rhetoric police, there is systemic racism and police brutality, and cops are killing black men in record numbers. when you think of that rhetoric
and look at it, you look at it statistically, it is not true. is something systemic and our country today. for whatever reason, nobody wants to focus on it. that is the systemic slaughter of black men and women in communities around this country like baltimore, like chicago, like st. louis, milwaukee, and others. i think it is tragic. is mind-boggling to me that in this day and age, 30 years after rudy giuliani came to new york city and changed new how city and taught america to reduce violent crime and murder, 30 years after that, we still have these issues.
i think new york city can be a lesson for a lot of these communities. it has been. there have been major cities throughout the united states that have been able to turn around their violent crime and murder. when rudy giuliani came into office in 1994, we were the murder capital of the year. murders in 1993. between 1994 and 2002, he reduced overall violent crime by 63%. he reduced murder by 70%. in the black communities, minority communities, the murder rate dropped close to 80%. achievednever been prior or since in any city. lives weref black saved as a result of what went on in new york city.
those are the things people should be looking at now. how did it happen, why did it happen, what can we do? how can chicago have 175 shootings in a month and 23 murders in 24 hours. numbers that comes out of a war zone in iraq. that is a problem. the defund the police movement, , i don't care what community you go to, the real community leaders in a community that wants to live in safety and security, they are not calling to defund the police. i'm not talking about the outside instigators. the real community leaders, they are not calling for it.
for are not calling defunding the police, for diminishing the police or diminishing the law enforcement arena in their areas. there is a movement in this by radical leftist marxists that are pushing this agenda. this comes right out of the antifa handbook. this is a lot of what we saw and in the 1960's, 1970's, 1980's with the weather underground, black panther party, same rhetoric. now the methods have changed. they have funding mechanisms and communication and the ability to create a national riot in 42 different states within a matter of hours.
people, what do you feel the greatest threat is against this country as a law enforcement officer? now isest fear right global terrorism. that is what i used to say. i believed that. as somebody that oversaw the aftermath of the attack on new york city on 9/11, what we have gone through since, i strongly believe that. today, that is not my biggest fear for this country. my biggest fear is this socialist communist movement. socialism that they are trying to push into this country to diminish the constitution and diminish people's rights and take over towns like what is happening in
seattle. it is frightening because the they areat lose calling for the diminishment or defunding of police. orn you think of chicago baltimore, st. louis, where they rate ofng murder at the a war zone, do you really want to eliminate the police in those towns? i think people have to stand up and change their political leadership if they have to and yell out, go public, do whatever you have to do. that kind of stuff has to stop. jan is calling from new jersey. thank you for waiting. caller: [inaudible] fullsides are seriously a
-- at fault. never resist arrest in a violent manner. what outcome do you expect to get out of that? regarding the police officer, you don't shoot somebody in the back that is running away. fact that he shot a taser at him from behind, he would not have done that if he was not being chased. there were other options. host: can we get your take on what happened? guest: i can give you my take based on the videos i have seen id reports i have heard, but have said this from the beginning, a lot of times, we should not speculate until the investigation is concluded. in this case, the investigation
has not been concluded. without arged them grand jury investigation or the georgia bureau of investigation getting involved. atlantic, this is the amazing part. how when you look at this from an outside perspective, you realize that there was a rush to judgment. atlanta requested the georgia bureau of investigation to investigate, but the da came in and charged them before the investigation was concluded. based on what i have seen, the mr. brooks would be alive today if he did not resist arrest. during the course of what i saw, i saw two police officers that were extremely professional and courteous. nice in their
conversation with him. scene,re called to the had him pull over his car, spoke to him. this went on for several minutes. at some point in time, after the sobriety test, as soon as they went to arrest him, he resisted. in resisting, he attacked them, assaulted them, overpowered both of them, disarmed them of a things i there are two would remind people. taser, i have been tased more times than i can count. it is a destabilizing weapon. it is a weapon that will incapacitate you for anywhere from six to 12 seconds. they disarmed him of a taser.
he disarmed them of the taser. at that point, it changed the whole circumstance of that interaction. in theice officers chase, he turned to fire the taser at the officer. the officer returned fire with his handgun. in my opinion based on what i have seen, based on what i know with regard to training, had he hit that officer with the taser, he would have destabilized him and had the possibility of getting his handgun. i'm sure that is with the officer was thinking when he fired. a lot of people have said to me, i have heard this talked about in the news, why didn't they just let him go? why didn't they take his keys and sent him on his way? call an uber. they had a bodycam on.
for years, we have mandated the police in many jurisdictions to wear body cams. both of those cops had body cams on.they were both working. when they stopped him and did the sobriety test, a determined he had too much to -- they determined he had too much to drink. a lot of people want to know what that did not happen. it did not happen because there is a policy in atlanta, and i think it is the law, you cannot and letebody for dwi them go. somebody should look into that, especially the pundits. they should have just let him go. they should let him walk it off. normally, you don't arrest resist, and you
let them walk off. that does not happen. once the police officer tells you that you are under arrest, you cannot resist, you cannot attack them, you cannot assault them, you cannot disarm them. we have lost sight that there is supposed to be law and order. if that guy was compliant, he would be alive today. as far as shooting him in the back, all i can tell you is there have been countless men and women shot in the back during armed confrontations with police, and until you are in one of those circumstances, and i have been in run and gun battles, chasing someone that is shooting at me. the one i remember specifically, my partner got shot. my partner was shot through a car windshield, and the guy that a complex,n through
and we were in a run and gun battle. he shot 19 rounds at us. he got shot in the back while he was shooting 19 rounds at us. in this case it was a taser. at the end of the day, that officer felt his life was in danger, and that is why he fired. host: jeffrey, you are next. caller: thank you. it is amazing. everyone knows what the real problem is. it is cheaper to put a policeman there than to try to build new schools. it is cheaper to put police there than to give these people a shot at life, a decent job. you throw up all these false signals. we had outside agitators that you don'telected, but
say anything. my point is we know we don't need more police. we need these kids to have a chance at life. the kid in georgia, he was on parole. that's why he ran. what was he on parole for? some minor thing. you can drive down the street to get pulled over. your light is out, so pulled him over. let me see your driver's license and insurance. where have you been? where are you going? then you are in the system. then you get locked up for child support. you are really in the system. it goes on and on. it is finance. give these kids a shot at life. give these kids a job.
you don't have police in rich neighborhoods. you don't need them. host: i am going to leave it there so we have time for mr. kerik to respond. guest: let me talk about a few things. he was on parole. he was not on parole for some miniscule thing. he was on parole for armed robbery. he had been charged prior for armed robbery and battery of his kids, false imprisonment. he was a violent felon. that is reality. that is number one. now i forgot. host: his point about not having more cops and giving communities -- go ahead. guest: here is what i would like you to think about. i completely agree people need
schools, 100%d with you. here is where people lose sight of reality. nobody wants to go to work, init, go to school, or live a place that is like a war zone. i know this from first-hand experience in new york city. cop in midtowna manhattan in times square. plainclothes unit, shootings on a daily basis. had more murders than anybody in the country. nobody wanted to live in new york city. if you think back to those times, nobody wanted to go to school here. they were scared to death.
agree, kids need better schools. but given this day and age, after we have seen downeds of thugs burning and destroying businesses, and where are they doing it, they are doing it in the black community. 10 to 30ple worked for years building a business, and we have maniacs coming in burning them down. until you have law and order, until you have an environment where people can build a business, where they can put a business, you are not going to have jobs. you are not good to have schools. that is reality. from new york city
and other cities around the country. as long as you have violence and crime and murder, you are going to have poverty. the violence,n up the crime, the murder, it is not going to happen. host: we have about 10 minutes left with bernard kerik. we will go to terry, republican. caller: i was going to ask you about the guy that got shot in the back about jumping the rule of law and charging them before the investigation. you talked about that already. the same guy that jumped the rule of law, when he was angry at officers, they used a stun gun at these people. he called it a dangerous weapon. gun isis saying a stun not a dangerous weapon. if anybody thinks the democrats are going to get with the
republicans and make good legislation about changing the policies because that would eliminate one of their tools every time they are campaigning. they like to keep the blacks .ight there, vote for me then they do not think, just like they do on immigration. thank you. i will touch on the prosecutor for just a second. the prosecutor in this case made not athat the taser was deadly weapon. somebody that was on the taser, it has used a can tell you that a taser in the hands of the wrong person can be considered a deadly weapon when it is being used against someone that has a deadly weapon on them. the caller is right, two weeks
prior to this event, that prosecutor stood up at a press severalce and charged atlanta police officers with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, and the deadly weapon was a taser. i don't know if he was lying the first time or the second time, but this is a prosecutor that himself is under investigation for sexual harassment. fors under investigation corruption within the government. i don't know anything about it other than the reports. it was either a deadly weapon the first time or the second time, but his statements conflict. i think that has a lot to say about rushing to judgment. i think the georgia.
all of investigation and attorney general's office will have to sort that out and figure out what is going on. matt is in nebraska, independent. caller: good morning. commissioner, i read your book. the government did a total number on you, and it was totally wrong. i'm sorry for that. i enjoyed your book. you were talking about being tased before. when i was in another city, i was part of a commission, and we went through taser inc.. if the taser is in the wrong ands, they can give someone heart attack or kill them. you are right about that. cop.other is a i worry about him every day. i'm going to find out more about
your organization. when are these riots going to stop? what do we do to get people to sit down and just talk to each other? host: i will leave it there. bernard kerik. with regard to the taser, i have been tased. i can tell you, every police officer, every single one, if you have a taser on your belt, on you, and you have the authority to use it, you have been tased. policy byndatory police departments. it is a mandatory policy through taser. any officer has to be hit himself. they know the impact. they know what it does, how it works, and how destabilizing it can be. what are the riots going to stop?
when the mayors and governors stand up and enforce the law. things over the last two or three weeks that i am stunned were allowed to happen. nobody has more demonstrations the new york city. we have thousands of these each year. we have a complete unit that deals with protests and demonstrations, a lyrical and otherwise. we do it all the time. stunned at the departments, at the mayors, at the governor's that lets a lot of this stuff happen. until they stand up and call it what it is, these are not protests. this is lawlessness, looting, that isomplete mayhem allowed to be perpetrated by a
bunch of thugs. the mayors and governors allow it. why? i don't know. i think people think about this a lot, is there a political implication? are they doing this intentionally? positive they could have been handled differently, and the violence would not have happened the way it did. why didn't they? i don't know. i cannot answer for them. that did jurisdictions let it happen and jurisdictions that did not. it is up to the voters to vote these people in office, you have to figure it out. you mentioned the first act at the beginning of our conversation. what happens next?\ what is the status on more
criminal justice reform? mandate fromas a the president from the time he came in office. president trump said he wanted to focus on criminal justice reform. out to bring everybody into the white house to look at this stuff. they have done a tremendous job already. i think there is more that can happen and will happen. time will tell. my biggest fear is not the president wanting to get it done. it is congress doing their job and getting something put on his desk for him to sign. that is my concern. kerik, former new york city police commissioner now with the right on crime group. thank you for your time. we are going to take a quick break. we will return to this conversation, asking you, what police reforms would you
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what do you think should happen? caller: good morning, c-span. thank you for the opportunity to speak. i would like to speak from a voice of reason. racismblem is systemic involved in policing in this country. we want to talk about the black community. i have listened to people condemn gun behaviors. as we go back to american , it was bad things. karl marx says this problem of socialism in our society stems from wealth. it is about those who have and those who have not. you are looking at a press
people. people.pressed doubleot have a standard of law. i'm from baltimore. i have grown up in these communities. the voice of the people have been heavily oppressed. the treatment of people is on a humanitarian basis that all people are created equal. police reform starts with getting people who are able to make healthy decisions and knowing the power that absolute power can corrupt absolutely if you do not have oversight on it. i don't agree with dismantling the police or defunding the police because all these organizations need to be funded. think the fraternal order of police should only relate to their ability to do their job,
not their ability to break the law. they should treat each other equally. all people should go to jail who break the law. says law and order. i'm just going to keep my comments simple. if you want police reform, it starts giving people money. my people suffered from depression. until you give us our fair share of wealth, this country was built on the sweat of our backs. old money exists today. if you don't rectify what has already happened, you will never move to appoint of what needs to happen. host: david, texas, republican. your turn.
caller: good morning. point.n make a quick everybody keeps talking about black people, black fathers. me to be talked with sure that i was respectful and be sure i did not resist anything. i had the same talk with my kids. i'm always worried about police interaction. i don't think there is anybody that does not have their heart racing when you have a police interaction. it is interesting that the suicide rate for whites is higher than for blacks and hispanics. go figure. we need police reform. i don't think it is about the police so much. the training is about the laws
and where our leaders are coming from. example, the last caller was talking about the 1994 crime bill. it probably resulted in millions more black people. my son got stopped for speeding. undernd a marijuana pipe the passenger seat. he found a knife from a friend. the kids mother wrote an affidavit to the city attorney saying it was not my son. i had to spend thousands of dollars to make it where he would not have a record. thatis part of the problem police have all of these petty things that they can charge you for. parents, youhave
will not get past this block on your record. he was being interviewed talking with strangers. . had it i was not that interested in it. after the interview, i had to listen. everyone needs to listen to that. it starts out with the sandra bland incident. it goes through so many interesting things about how we are not understanding. we think we understand people's interpretation of body language, but we do not. police are trained to interpret things in a certain way. they have it wrong. they do such great research. point, he went in great detail about giuliani's
broken windows theory in new york and how they were able to do it in new york and part of the premise is police are being used to raise money. one of the things after ferguson, they found the police were making all these stops because the city managers wanted them to raise a certain amount of money. that is pretty much everywhere. after that study came out, everybody went they are terrible. they were middle-of-the-road. they were not at the high-end. police are being used improperly. i would let the police deal with what they should begin with, serious crime in serious issues. you stop them for a tail light. sandra bland was stopped for failure to signal a lane change which was caused by the police
rushing behind her. she changed lanes to get out of the way. that is what he stopped her for. three days later, she committed suicide in a police cell. host: for those that are interested in that interview with malcolm gladwell, you can find it on our website. how long have you been a police officer? what changes would you want to see? caller: i was a police officer in new york, navy veteran. now i am not a police officer. how do you select the guests? the guy got charged in new york. he is a felon. this is a bad example. he is one of the reasons i left the police department. stop and frisk and all this different stuff.
he is taking bribes. money under the table. you need to have a better vetting system. do you want kids to get advice from a convicted felon? host: you must have missed the part of the conversation where he said that experience has shaped his view of criminal justice reform and changes that need to be made, and he is now with the group right on time. -- crime. we have people from different perspectives on this show so you can listen to their side and you can call and agree or disagree with what they have to say and have a civil exchange with them. sean in columbus, ohio. you are next. caller: i think we are missing the point. the point is not race. race is a factor. the point is power.
the cops have so much power to make a decision to be upset, pulled the trigger, and then now we have body cams where we can make the judgment. the problem is their training is more military then police. when he shoots him in the back, that is center mass. these are tactics you use in baghdad against terrorists, not against civilians. it is hard to reel back that power. if we quit sending people to prison, are we defunding prisons? there are many factors that fall into this. race is one. more white people get killed by cops than any race. i'm outraged by that. i'm outraged by the brutality that goes on. the only thing conservatives say
is there are bad apples. we need to train more. so thest make the excuse next killing gets the same rhetoric. all they do is point at the victim and say this guy is a , a thug., racism, it is classism. you're judging somebody by looking at them. they don't know what their record is, just what they pull up on the screen. host: this is what democrats have proposed. the house is ruled by democrats in the majority. they want to reform qualified immunity, amend the federal criminal statutes to prosecute police misconduct, create a nationwide police misconduct registry, mandate reporting of nolice misuse of force, ba
chokeholds and no knock warrants, mandate the use of police body cameras. on the senate side where republicans are in the majority, senator tim scott has put forward his draft of legislation that is expected to get a vote on the floor next week. in the senate, they are proposing restrict chokeholds by using reduced federal funds, increase funding for police body cameras, require the reporting of use of force that causes death or serious injuries and require reporting of data on no commit a hates and crime to the criminal code. what police reforms would you support? caller: i would support any
reform at this point. statistict to put a about the number of police officers arrested for murder who have been convicted between 2005 and 2020. of the 42 police officers convicted following their arrest for murder, only five ended up being convicted. theyost common offense were convicted of was manslaughter with 11 convictions. this is in the last 15 years. that is something to think about for qualified immunity. that is all i have to say. good morning to you in washington. caller: good morning. how are you? host: i am well. what do you want to see in
police reform? caller: in mount vernon, washington, my friend was white. he picked up a colored girl. he was driving through mount vernon, washington. his blinker was on. he gets pulled over. they hauled him and. -- him in. no warrants. took him to jail. they was calling him names because he picked up a black girl. in thed up getting hung mount vernon jail. he died. showed he had handprints on the top of his head when he was hung. his kids have to grow up with no dad. got alice officers barely slap on the hand. marysville at the
reservation in front of the wasno, him and his nephew smoking pot and another person in a car, the guards called the sheriffs, and they came. and his nephew is black. out of all three of them, two of black, no warns on any of them, and the black kid did not have a marijuana pipe on him. they ended up arresting the black person and letting the white people go with no trouble at all. this is out of control. we need to do something. people need to wake up. how would trump like it if he woke up tomorrow, and he was black? that is what i wish would happen. he needs to stop and think. god created us equal, all of us. we need to start loving each
other and watching out for each other. thank you for your time. host: we will go to baltimore, maryland. robert, are you a police officer? caller: i am a former police officer. i would like to chime in. people always talk about we need more training, we need more training, we need more training. i'm going to make this commonsense statement. whenever a white police officer generally -- and i work with several, several, whenever a white police officer feels he is in danger, whether that danger is manufactured or legitimate his first thought is going to be -- his first thought goes right to lethal force. perspective, black
police officers and white police officers, we all receive the same training. talk about thee incidence of these killings and so forth, it boggles the mind people have never considered that. white policeot see officer shooting white people? don't get me wrong. i patrol an area that is lower economic, mainly white area. an area called dundalk. for the most part, we do not hear of a black police officer .illing there was one incident that took place in wellfleet three and half years ago where a black police officer literally disarmed a white man on the side of the road who had a shotgun pointed towards him. he took the gun from this man, arrested him. if that were reversed, that man would have been killed.
i would get calls all the time in baltimore city for disturbances and soap. soap. there is an area, a little pool -- not like a swimming pool, more like a decorative pool. at any rate, new that area code is pink's town. that's a very low income mixed white and black area. whenever we would be for little black boys who came to swim in the little pool right in front of the shop area, whereas when it was mostly white boys with a few black boys sprinkled in, it would be fine. so there's always a double standard. getting to my original point, black police officers and white police officers receive the same training. yet you never hear of an instance where some back police
officer killed some white person because they were "in fear of their lives." even when they have guns literally trained on them. that's all i want to say. host: robert, are you still there? i am. -- caller: yes, a police aren't you officer anymore? or are you? caller: i got out. i was in the marine corps. i could not take the double standards and to be honest there was internal racism. speaking of internal racism, they have something called a vanguard. the vanguard is actually in internal union for the black police officers within baltimore city because the racism was such that the black police officers need to band together. you aboutthat tell how a black police officer deals
with a regular way civilian question mark i have been teaching for the last 23 years and i love it. host: they start calling -- go ahead, robert. caller: i want to say one other thing. now that i have been in education for the last 23 years, what i have now seen is when it -- little black boys who are just being boys generally are overwhelmingly referred to administration or the office by white female teachers, whereas that same boy -- it may matter whether you are a man and she is a woman, but there are reverse situations were there could be a black single teacher and she will not send the kid to the office because he cannot sit still. because no child can sit still. with thetend meetings teachers, the principal is addressing the stuff. he says, ok, guys, i need your
attention. there will be people in the back still talking. yet the same people who carry on conversations in staff meetings are the same ones who are quick to refer a boy for doing the same exact thing. that is all i want to say. host: all right, robert there and baltimore. we are going to take a break. when we come back we will be joined by rev. liz theoharis, chairman of the poor people's .ampaign that conversation coming up. ♪ american history tv on c-span3, exploring the people and events that tell the american story every weekend. , we are marking the 70th anniversary of the with ther, live pulitzer prize-winning author
charles hanley. and sunday, at 4 p.m. eastern, features a series starting war films, with "help peace survive." at 7 p.m. on "oral histories, u.s. histories," al u.s. marine veteran on tour -- two tours of duty. american history tv this weekend on c-span3. "washington journal" continues. host: joining us now, rev. liz theoharis, chairman of the poor people's campaign. what is this campaign? guest: it was found about three
years ago. we are organized in 46 states across the country, led by ofple of faith, people conscience, advocates to see the interlocking injustices of systemic racism, systemic poverty, militarism and the war economy, and this distorted world narrative eating away at our society, saying we can do better, we can do more, so let's build a movement from the bottom up. what are the roots of economic and racial injustice? think we lost her there. a technical problem. we will try to get rev. liz theoharis back. by the way, she is heart of -- as we said the cochair of this group and they are having a --tual march to morrow tomorrow, a virtual rally, to protest racism and poverty.
at somerset or they at 10 a.m. eastern time. we will have coverage of that on c-span as well as our website c-span.org or you can listen along to you that with the free c-span radio app. you can start dialing in, so when we get the reverend back we can go right to phone calls. -748-8000. 748-2001.fic -- 202- members of the clergy, we would like to hear from you and your line is 202-748-2002. coming up anyaris minute here. what while we are waiting for her to come on, let's talk about a conversation we will have
later on in the program and talk about this history. we have this piece in the washington post, past time to make juneteenth -- juneteenth a national holiday. he says for me, wearing the shirt was an opportunity to inform others who are not aware oft juneteenth is our day self-determination. it is ours to honor the legacy of our ancestors. and it should be a national holiday, observed by all americans. humbledon to say, i am why the platform given to me because of my musical talent. but i know i must do more visit. my heart is shattered by the ongoing injustice in this
, the long history of racism that has led to deadly outcomes were too many of our people. this country must change and it must change quickly. recognizing juneteenth as national holiday would be a small just are compared with a greater social needs of black people in america. but it can remind us of our journey toward freedom and the work america still as to do. we can celebrate it as many black people do by celebrating our many contributions of this land, the construction of black wall street, the invention of jazz, rock and roll, hip-hop, and r&b, and all the odds warship and bills this extraordinary cuisine, sports excellence, political power and global cultural influence black americans have given the world. and rather than a observing juneteenth as we do other holidays, by taking it off, we can make it a day when black culture, black controversial,
and black businesses get our support. national juneteenth observance can affirm that black lives matter. i proudly joining credible people in organizations of been working on this for years, among , whothe inspiring opal lee has been campaigning for five years. stay open to possibility. let's uplift our history. , america.teenth we will have that conversation with black americans only in our final 30 minutes of "washington journal. joining us, rev. liz theoharis. us.k you for joining glad to have you back with us. we will try to do this again. i asked you before we lost you , what are the roots of this economic and racial
injustice. we live in a nation that has 140 million people who are poor. white americans who make up 67 million poor and low-income people. we are living in a time when we have the capacity to actually address these issues, but right lack the political will. country was founded on and we stillice need to overcome these injustices and in equities -- and in equities and we need to build a movement from the bottom up.
we spend very little on education and health care and a living wage for anyone, especially people of color. host: what changes are you calling for? guest: we are putting forth a moral agenda. universal single-payer health that talks about public free, college education, ending the resegregation of school. we are talking about an end to .ass incarceration
we have a broad and bold program. we will be further announcing a when people join us for a mass assembly and march on washington. that will be online tomorrow, june 20, at 10 a.m. it's many different a man's coming up from the grassroots .ommunity all races, all nationalities, all genders, all sexualities. we are going to build power. we are going to build a movement that puts people's lives -- over corporate profit. we will go to calls. winston in new jersey. good morning. welcome to the conversation. hi, thank you for giving
me a chance to speak. i have been paying attention to the root causes of economic inequality and what i have observed is that the equal employment opportunity commission is basically failing at its mission. of 1964 isights act a clause in the statute that requires that commission to collect component one and component two component data is essentially demographic information, so who, what number of ethnic groups are employed at a large corporation of 100 employees or more and component two, collecting
,nformation about salary bands what groups are earning what salaries. acts ago, closer to win the , thatnto effect surveillance was coupled with proactive enforcement so the might trigger an investigation from the -- the folks who were eligible for employment in the area. over time, reverse racism essentially decoupled enforcement from surveillance and the agency was relegated to
agencydata collection and, of course, they have administrative complaints. they're going after obvious cases of large corporations showing the -- host: ok, winston and would deliver there. rev. liz theoharis, your thoughts? winston, i am going to leave it there. rev. liz theoharis, your thoughts? thet: i appreciate raising issue. we have very high levels of unemployment rate now because of the pandemic and what existed harde words that it was for different people to get into
the jobs that did exist. i appreciate the diversity in as 20,000ace, as well states have enacted racist suppression laws. to make sure that we are not using race-based gerrymandering, when a community is trying to hold corporations accountable, i think indeed we have a real ,ssue of systemic racism thatmic economic injustice is right in the middle of our system.
host: kevin incheon, new jersey. hi, kevin. kevin in trenton, new jersey. i just read a great book called "all i need to know i learned in kindergarten." everyone treating everyone equal. they are scared. it's just a matter of treat everybody equal. don't come with the preconceived notions -- oh, i'm scared or he doesn't look like me. that's how it is. that's all i've got to say. i love c-span. i watch it every day and reverend liz, you are gorgeous, girl. give me a smile. [laughter] host: go ahead, reverend. guest: we need to talk about
systemic racism. i appreciate this point. we are not naturally necessarily a racist people. that has happened because of media, larger structural inequities, so racism is at the core of our society. what we need is to solve a problem, our structural issues and solutions including policy, so if we are serious about trying to end racism, we need living wages. if we are serious about ending systemic racism we need to be fighting back against the resegregation of our schools. we need to make sure we have access to health care for
absolutely everybody. racism doesn't have to be the way it is. and so we have structural policies, people are caught that fear. what we are seeing in the poor people's campaign is that people for soall of these lines many years -- we are fighting -- we are fighting against racism, for young and old across our society. host: david, go ahead. caller: first of all, if you want to look at people trying to divide people by race, the democrat party. all, i don't think
there's -- if you want to look let's goic racism -- back to the 1950's when black people had to drink out of a different water fountain, they could not go to the same bathroom, could not eat at the same lunch counter. we have moved a long way from that. we have moved to the point where before't meal -- kneel someone with black lives matter, you are considered a racism. if you don't tweet something in support of black lives matter, you are a racist. my question is for this lady wht looks wider than me -- ?ter than me, what do you want i will answer the question for you, but what do you want? other than the same bromide you have been pointing out -- we want programs, we want education, we want this, we want that.
is, you want reparations. say it. is that what you want? we have called for reform with a whole platform and many of the policies it you are speaking to our what we put forth in that platform. there are things like living wages for everybody. universal health care for everybody. we are not a partisan movement. we challenge democrats, republicans, independents, who anddeeply political believed the issues of liberty equality arend political issues but we need to fight them across racial lines and political lines. what i want is for people in this country and across the world to have what they need to thrive, not just rarely survive, and with the level of
resources thisd nation has, nobody should be homeless. nobody should be without health care. everybody should be up to make a wage that they can live and raise their kids with and we should all work to enact. caller in west virginia. caller: good morning. host: good morning. caller: i want to tie together a few issues we have been talking about this morning. i grew up very poor. that stuck with me my entire life. school, ioing through decided to become a teacher to help children like me. little did i know they were paying a low wage.
if you had to put in the hours. teachers get paid more. nurses get paid. in my career of teaching, i was segregated against, and i am white, but i was segregated against because i was poor because i looked after those kids, and that's very , when youto live with think you're doing the best thing for everybody. . want to tie one more thing in the last thing he brought out after the shooting, his words meant a lot, i think, people who listened to that. he was asking for help.
he was asking for help. , butd not want to go back minted -- but needed a mentor, someone to help guide him just like teachers help children. prison.imagine being in it was the scariest experience of my life. just the fact of having to go through it. it was totally humiliating. reverend, a lot there for you. go ahead. guest: indeed. i want to thank the caller for their service as a teacher. education is so important if we are really going to take on the systemic injustices that are in our society and i also want to encourage folks to connect with the poor people's campaign and tune into our mass poor people's assembly march on washington at
10 a.m. the cousin many of the stories that are most impacted teachers,njustices, those who have no sanitation homeless, those in a tellpment get a chance to their stories and how people are rising up together to say this does not have to be this way. one military contractor gets as much from the federal government as it would take to expand health care in 42 states. it does not have to be that people suffer the way people are suffering. i think education is so key. dollar know is every invested in early childhood
saves seven dollars and other kinds of programs that are needed if you do not invest in education, invest in children and and child poverty across the rest of the country. you can tune in on our website or with the free c-span radio app. bill in pennsylvania. bill, can you make it quick? go ahead. i just want to know what the reverend thinks about alternate schools question mark our schools are failing, especially in the inner cities. shouldn't those kids have alternative schools to go to, either a parochial school, christian school? i just want to know what liz thought about that. guest: thank you about -- thank you for the question about education. we need to fund our public schools to the extent that they can be a beautiful place for
kids to be educated. but we need to push back against the resegregation of schools. only lift up education and everybody, and what we are seeing right now is that so many kids are having to be educated onine, and that is hard families. moread we need to invest resources to make our schools great as they can be. when weety will benefit invest in education and in children. host: if our viewers are interested you can learn more by going to poorpeopl escampaign.org. rev. liz theoharis, thank you for the conversation. guest: thank you.
host: when we come back, we will , to about juneteenth african-americans, what does juneteenth mean to you? [video clip] it was signed into law in 1862 to go into effect in 1863, but the words, the enforcement -- into effecto until two and half years after the effective date. african-american slaves could read and it was a lot for them to be able to read -- couldn't read and it was a lot of them to be able to read. i don't think they knew about it. union troops arrived in 1865. it was 2000 union soldiers.
some of these slaves, once they heard that they were free, were jubilant. others were depressed because they had never been on their own. they did not have a place to go. slaves were at the first baptist church in 1820. here at the first brick constructed on galveston island. this place was also the residence for the confederate the residence when he arrived on june 18, 1865. we have been having these celebration here at ashton villa for 36 years, and it coincided
holiday,state of texas juneteenth. the texas state holiday occurred by an african-american in , al edwards of houston, texas. he remembered, as a kid growing up, the celebration of juneteenth. he introduced the law making that a paid holiday. there were only eight african-american, black legislators in the legislature when this bill passed and it was signed into law. and it went into effect june 13, 1979. celebration -- there was a major celebration.
you had celebrations in milwaukee, los angeles, -- washington, d.c., san antonio. we have been told that there are at least five foreign countries that celebrate juneteenth as emancipation day. is very important because it showed that even though texas is a southern state, it had compassion for the african-american struggle of slavery. from our friends at american history tv and booktv a little history. african-americans only this morning, what does this day mean to you, do you celebrate it, do you think it should be a national holiday? leon in jacksonville, north carolina. go ahead. caller: yes, i do think it
should be a national holiday with meaning. what i'm saying is, if we are going to have a national holiday recognized by everyone send everyone should know the meaning of juneteenth and everybody should work toward trying to do the things that juneteenth represents and that is teaching everybody, not just african-americans, what this whole situation is about. leon, i don't know if you usher'sier we read piece in "the washington post. he says that rather than observing this as we do other holidays we can make it a day when black businesses get our
support. what do you think about that? caller: that is the thing. if i may add to it i do not want juneteenth to be february as black history month. that's almost meaningless. -- changesteenth need to be made today, but they need to be real changes regarding systemic racism. not just something that you smooth over. ok, leon, from north toronto. a reminder to turn down your television. just listen and talk into your phone. our caller from alabama. go ahead. caller: hello. nice to speak to again. what juneteenth means to me, we inebrate it and it is
acknowledgment. this is east of the mississippi. too much about juneteenth and i'm well-educated. mexico. new this is 1991. when someone came up to me and talked about juneteenth, i didn't have a clue. if you were east of the mississippi, you knew when the civil war was over with. if you were west of the mississippi, it was two and a half years when people were still in bondage. the is what this is about, official recognition of the end of that war and it needs to be recognized and celebrated. national holiday, no national holiday, but it needs to be in the history books.
that's all we are asking about. there, actually the history of the black cavalry after the civil war moved on .his to tame the west no one knows about that or very few know about that on the east side of the mississippi. .t's a blurb in history books colorado, texas, the new mexico area. yes. let's recognize that. it's great hearing from you again. you have an excellent show. i enjoy it. i've been a c-span watchers 1990's when you guys started off there on "washington journal." i have one
more thing to say. this is a little earlier. have law and order and we talk about that, let's get back to protect and serve. they should not be two different things because i grew up into different communities. a poor community and half of my life in the middle class. you got stopped in whatever. the other side, i could be out with friends at 2:00 in the morning, tops would not bother me because they were not looking for crime. and to all the c-span watchers, happy juneteenth. thank you. host: all right. june 1865, two half years after emancipation proclamation, union soldiers arrived in texas to reports that enslaved people were now free. texas was the last state to receive the news.
black texans come together every year to remember ancestors and the harsh treatment they endured for centuries. state were whites from the group still congregate and confederate flags fly from the back of trucks, its indication that we are just as texan as anyone else. african-americans only this morning. bill, how do you celebrate this day? greta. good morning, i love the show. always watch it. -- it's another hidden american story that needs to be told. for the so much history .merican descendents of slaves
it's another reason why this should be monetary. americang else for descendents of slaves today. another two years we found out to helper two years build this country for what it is today. thank you. have a great day. a piece this morning, she says even if -- there is the headline right there -- even if juneteenth were recognized as a national holiday, no one with with theof familiarity state of black people in america would confuse it with reparations of any palpable, substantive change. but is growing recognition by states and companies in a pop-culture, seems to reflect some growing level of accountability.
twitter andd that square announced that juneteenth would be a company holiday. the site tok times" do the same. almost every 50 say -- almost all 50 states recognize juneteenth as a holiday. this friday also brings out the film "miss juneteenth," about a former pageant queen who influences her daughter to compete for the crown in the hopes that it will reveal a path to better life. caroline, go ahead. you.r: hi, thank i knew juneteenth. i did not celebrated in the past. i do think it needs to be a holiday. i think we sadly need to be forced to recognize the struggles african-americans have faced. were inish that schools session so we could teach the kids about juneteenth also.
i do think we need to recognize that african-americans are part of history. we have made history and the things that have been done. host: ok. stockton, california. caller: i will get to the juneteenth -- it was told moses by god, the first day of the new abraham lincoln just sewed emancipation 100 days from that date in 1862. 1.t was january it was quite an experience that a man named abraham did that.
is quite a coincidence that a man named abraham did that. january 1 is the day i believe we should have. as we gothen, as soon free, january first in stockton, california and stockton, california has separate right now. right here in stockton. need to respect juneteenth, but january 1 is the day that happen. think you, greta. host: -- thank you, greta. host: the president has sent out a message. he writes "juneteenth reminds us both of the unimaginable injustice of slavery and the that must havey attended emancipation is a remembrance of a blight on our history and a celebration of our nation's unsurpassed ability to triumph over darkness. that ability is rooted in the fundamental goodness of america
in the truths upon which we, as a nation, declared an end to our status as the subjects of a monarch and emerged as a free and independent people that all men are created equal by the hand of god. these words warm the heart of what reverend dr. martin luther king called the promissory note american was to fall air. the celebration of juneteenth marks an important milestone and he writes "this juneteenth, we commit as one nation to live true to our highest ideals and always build a freer, truer country. the president -- sure country perk of the present will be in tulsa, oklahoma tomorrow for a campaign rally. right here onat c-span, c-span.org, and also you can listen on the fee c-span radio app. ruby, richmond, virginia. hi, ruby.
caller: hi. i am in favor of the national holiday but i suggest that people go to the library and africanading up on the american history because we are part of america, too. host: ok, what does juneteenth mean to you? aller: juneteenth means to me -- it should be a national holiday. it means the independence of blacks, but also we think about juneteenth. difference is i have always recommended columbus day be done away with and juneteenth be black folk for everything in america. >> up athe contribution lot in this country, so juneteenth is -- i don't , until i was about 20
years old, there was a town in georgia, they used to celebrate picnics, and parades on juneteenth. that is how i came to know about juneteenth. host: ok. we have a text -- juneteenth is not a celebration. it's a remembrance, and observance, a reminder of the debt that is still owed to africans who were enslaved. and vincent from brooklyn, juneteenth is a reminder that what people must not allow our history to be erased. we must demonstrate and legislate. hazel in michigan. good morning to you. good morning. thank you for taking my call. i would like to share -- i am , and fromrs old .ranklin parish, and louisiana every new years eve night, we all went to church, and the
reason for going to church was at midnight we were praying because texas refused to release those people. x-slaves prayed at night that god would free those people who were still enslaved and all of my life at midnight, i have been in church and remembering levels.ve been at those one person was murdered. and so i was celebrating it without a name being given and for the first time in my life, i went to one of those midnight in detroit a lot of people do a lot of shooting at life.
before then we were praying to god and those people who were still enslaved would the free -- would be free. we have the religious background for the laws of this country. as we told you, president trump has his rally in tulsa to murder nine. he changed the dates. he was when to do this evening. , he moved ite date to tomorrow. -- as we told you, president trump has his rally in tulsa tomorrow night. professorwill be a tomorrow at 9 a.m. eastern time. jane, texas. -- james, texas. hi, james. good morning. caller: yes, good morning. i remember juneteenth.
i grew up in the neighborhood right out of galveston, texas. it every juneted 19. barbecue. kids that would move from another state, they would call and red soda,lon and barbecue. this was the only day we were segregated state, this is the only day we were able to go to celebrate in the amusement park. a big amusement park in houston. they gave us a whole day. we still have family around. they did not know what juneteenth were and they used to kid us about it. james, do you -- what
years are you talking about question mark this is when you were a child? what years was that? caller: i'm 78 years old now. 1947.as 1946, host: ok. james in cedarville, texas. pedro and would scroll, virginia. pedro, good morning. -- intro in words perot, virginia. woodsboro, virginia. you arei am glad that letting people know about it because some people do not know about it. thanks a lot. host: ok. all right, thank you, pedro. god made all of us free.
but juneteenth, what it means to me is emancipation. idea that heth the and we alwaysenth , and we would not even have this rally, and he would not understand what juneteenth means to african-americans. to findeed white people out about juneteenth. i want to read this piece for you, and this was written in -- today' ises" "new york times."
about growing up in texas, if i were not marching i would go along with friends. i would hitch a ride and my grandfather's pickup truck. several people would yell thank you to my father and i could see he was proud of his work and even more proud of the kinship present in his own neighborhood. the 30-minute route would lead us to the park, rebels houses, horseback riding, best of all courts, and a swimming pool waited for the children. the adults and elders would congregate around the stage, debating what made someone a true christian and spreading neighborhood gossip. and she goes on to write, the entire celebration lasted only six hours, but it had the ability to keep you feeling warm and loved and acted as a reminder there was a community of people who were rooting for you, supporting you and wanted you to succeed. every time you left a celebration you took with you a
new sense of what it meant to be black, but specifically what it meant to be black in texas. in dallas, texas. good morning. caller: good morning. happy juneteenth, america. i remember seeing juneteenth in a 1940's and i asked my mom, what is going on? and she said, is the juneteenth celebration. wonderful. host: did people stop celebrating it then, patricia or did it continue to write your life? caller: they still celebrate it. i am so proud we are finally going to recognize it because it is very important. it's very interesting. what does this day means to you. happy juneteenth. juneteenth to me means freedom
for black people but also unity with black people and white people who are good people. to thank what people who came out for black lives matter in washington, d.c. it was really great to see. this country is founded on the constitution and we all die and fight for this constitution. at so i am just hoping that juneteenth becomes a holiday that we can all get together and celebrate, black and white and celebrate our country. ok, a few minutes left ear. african-americans only this morning. what does the state mean to you? morning,te this recognizing juneteenth is a national they would be a small gesture compared to the greater social needs of what people in america, but it can remind us of our journey toward freedom and the work america still has to do. we can observe it as many black americans already do, by celebrating both our first steps toward freedom as black americans and a contribution to
land -- the construction of black wall street, the invention of jazz, rock and roll, hip-hop, and r&b, and all the ownership brilliance, fine thatne, political power, black americans have given the world." usher riding in this mornings "washington post." michael, good morning. what does this day mean to you? caller: i am having a hard time hearing you. to go tolled -- i used nicodemus kansas and we celebrated on the first of august. i'm getting confused now. why? and kansas, icodemus, think the people who moved there
when theyhat is celebrated that day, rather than juneteenth. it's not very well known. it's not very well known, but that's the difference. there was the difference. host: what does this day mean, michael, do you? toler: it doesn't mean much me now. i am a historian. it does not mean much to me now, but i happened to notice the celebration was on the first of august rather than on juneteenth. you know? i just thought that was kind of a curious historical thing. jim, grand prairie, texas. good morning to you. good morning, greta. i am a big fan of reparations for slavery. ism not sure that contained ready to be a national holiday, but i am in favor of it. -- i've not heard
of juneteenth until i moved to texas. i'm in favor of reparations. do plan to mark the day? you have anything special in mind? caller: no, i don't. i don't have anything special in mind today. , in temple hills, maryland. caller: i am just calling because we keep -- because i want to clarify something. there is one point we keep missing about juneteenth. it is because in 1865, the texans were forced to give up their slaves. they knew about it in 1863. it was not something they did nicely. host: ok.
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