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host: fiona hill joins us, a former senior staffer on the trump administration security council. viewers are likely to remember her for her testimony before congress during the first impeachment of the former president. she is the author of a new book, "there is nothing for you here." take us back to november 21 of 2019 to that impeachment testimony. you spent a good time at the start of that testimony talking about security to the u.s. and how you became an american by choice. why did you think that was an important story to tell at the outset of that hearing? guest: it was a reaction to what has happened behind closed doors. practically two years ago this month, october 14, 2019. i had been called into closed-door hearings to give a disposition -- deposition.
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all of those depositions are released to the public. at the time, i was being questioned by members of congress. it was not just the issues they were raising that i was led to talk about that caught my attention. it was the way that i and the other witnesses who had been called were being accused of all kinds of things. our credibility was being put into question. our patriotism, our objectivity. people were accusing us of being -- suggesting that we were part of some nefarious grouping of bureaucrats who were somehow out there taking advantage of the public and were alienated from the rest of america. they were ridiculous things being said about us, including online. as an immigrant, someone who
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came to the united states in 1989, i was someone who came from anything but an elite background. i was disturbed about where the direction of this was going. when it came to the public testimony, i decided for the first time ever to explain who i was in a larger context, where i had come from, why i was in the united states. some of the attacks on some of my other colleagues, tender colonel vindman -- lieutenant colonel vindman, the ambassador to ukraine who had been kicked out of her job and would also come from the former eastern bloc as immigrants. so many people that i served with who came from humble origins who worked their way up in their careers either by joining the military were wanting to do public service,
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visiting their congressman's office during a high school trip, where people like myself, many who had come from war-torn society who wanted to give something back to the united states. i wanted to begin my testimony by saying who i was, why i had come to america, why i was proud to be an american citizen who had taken an oath to the country . as i said, an american by choice. i had come to this idea that we were part of some bizarre strange plot against the country that we are loved and wanted to serve. host: in the wake of your testimony, coverage of you and your story, you were -- one of the news articles called you the improbable fiona hill. the financial times piece from a few months later. what about you is improbable? guest: many people in the united states, it is always an improbable journey to come from the bottom 1% of society to the very top.
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that is part of our political problem as affected in your programming. the people at the bottom see themselves, the people in parts of the united states with humble backgrounds who are struggling on a day-to-day basis do not see themselves reflected at the very top in any part of society. in politics, age or business, education -- major business, education. they have also had a for me, i started off in a coal mining town in the north of england, went very similar to the lehigh valley of pennsylvania or parts of west virginia. i i'm from a long generation, multigeneration of coal miners 'd
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in factories or shipyards. my granddad on my mom's side worked in the sewers. my family were not upwardly mobile. my dad said most of us spend our time working underground. when i was born, all the coal mines for closing. in the entire period of my childhood, the economy was disappearing. it was improbable that i would get anywhere in life in terms of an education or a good job. the title of the book, there is nothing for you here, is what my dad said to me as i was leaving school in 1984 against massive unemployment. if i wanted education, any kind of job, it wasn't going to be in a place like this. but i did not think i would end up working in the white house. he was basically saying, there is nothing you ear. you will have to go find something else, especially as a
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girl, because for women, unappointed rate was even higher. there were very few jobs in my hometown. host: fiona hill with us until 10:00 a.m. eastern, taking your phone calls, as we talked about her new book. let me get the phone numbers. republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) 748-8002. you talk about your journey. you write about your concerns about russia and parallels that you see in the world right now. you write, the example of modern russia, which i have studied, offers a cautionary tale for the u.s. at this juncture. russia is america's ghost of christmas future if we cannot
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adjust course and heal our polarization. how is it the ghost of our christmas future? guest: what we saw in russia -- in 1984 against major warfare and intermediate new player -- nuclear missiles. the russians and soviets were doing missile testing. so was the u.s. a lot of grandstanding and maneuvering. in 1983, the soviet union misread u.s. intent. that is clear now. documents have been declassified even knowing that, it was evident that there was such international tension. when i went off to study russian, the encouragement of relatives and my family, thinking i might become an interpreter, maybe at one point
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i might be able to help in some way with negotiations. that was the atmosphere. we were going to blow ourselves up. i entered later into the administration, against the backdrop of russian reactions, a sophisticated operation that launched to turn our electoral system, that presidential campaign in 2016 on its head. i came out the other side of the time in the ministration and the government at the highest level seeing everything much more concerned about the u.s. in russia in the 1990's, there was a similar polarization. the collapse of the soviet union led to millions losing jobs overnight with very little prospect of a life ahead, because the whole state had
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collapsed. at the end of the decade of crisis, economic and political, vladimir putin came in as president, saying he was going to fix everything, but we have seen over the last 20 years that putin has entrenched himself in the kremlin, rollback democratic gains. he gradually kept on amending the russian constitution so that he can stay in power until 2036. he will have been the longest serving leader in russian modern history. the way he did that through olmo -- through all kinds of hallmarks and developments happening in the u.s. right now. polarization is acute. i was just observing you have given up three telephone embers for people who identify themselves politically. i would fall in the independent
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category, but the number one identification is you a democrat or republican? i am worried the people have lost the sense of themselves as american. the unrepentant, in russia vladimir putin, in russia, came from no political party. he actually tried to unify the country. so group of russians that he sees as having no political base. he tried to unify the country political divisions, ethnic divisions, all kinds of division, but what putin tries to exploit is divisions in other countries. in 2016, we saw russian operatives pretending to be republicans, pretending to be democrats. pretending to be americans who are either pro-life or let us
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say racist or not racist. pro-guns, anti-guns. every side of every argument that is sensitive in the u.s. finds things like a pit us against each other. this is a real dilemma. these divisions are the kinds of things that give us exposure to the outside. polarization has become a national security crisis. someone who does not belong to a political party, someone who came in here in 1989 to come and find opportunity and live a life like everybody else, i am deeply disturbed. the parallels to russian history
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may be familiar -- they are startling and disturbing. one of the points in writing this book and explaining what i have seen is to try to get people's attention so they can actually see this for themselves and take a long hard look at what is happening. host: nikki, independent, new york up first. caller: first of all, thank you for your courage and your willingness to be exposed to the threats of people who like to hide the truth rather than seek the truth. it is because of immigrants like yourself and colonel vindman who refused to buckle down and when they saw something going wrong decided it was their patriotic
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duty to speak out. they have vilified anyone who provides the truth. how would you compare the atmosphere in america today to the atmosphere in germany pre-world war ii? caller: that is a showing comparison. -- a chilling comparison. it is always a risky comparison. people think of the holocaust, the horrors of world war ii, which seem far-fetched, but those early origins of the devolution of a mono credit authoritarian state in germany in the 1930's involves the perpetration of a big lie about
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what was happening in elections. there was an awful lot of the german hierarchy, big business, political classes supporting the rise of adolf hitler thinking they could manipulate him and that nothing drastic was going to happen. this guy was looking out for their interests. there were not a lot of -- to run off a lot of people supported him as a charismatic individual. we were projecting their hopes and their aspirations onto this one person. right now, we are in the danger zone where we have a charismatic leader who people see as the person -- as their personal representative. they react with anger at those who push back. we are in a danger zone.
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we have seen this in many settings. let us put aside some of the details and atrocities and other things, but the danger to our democracy is very similar and very real. there are so many things that i would recommend to listeners to go out and read about the early 1930's in germany, where people will see if they come with an objective mind the parallels. i also read about what happened in russia in the 1990's. that was a different system. you also had a very different history. there is always the preponderance in russian political culture to look out for strongman, or woman, -- in the u.s., our presidency has information that -- is emphasized to strongman, which is not the fundamental of the united states.
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the preamble of the constitution is we the people. this is an anomaly for the u.s. to be so obsessed about a presidential leader and to be eroding the other checks and balances in our system. there is emphasis on a strong executive and the person of the executive. that is something that is faltering american political culture. host: ohio, republican. caller: i wanted to talk about the economy and what she went through then compared to what we have now. they watched two of the debt level. all they talk about is not paying the bills, lying to us. we want to know why. the country was broke in
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january. they let the immigrants come across. when the country is broke, now they borrow the money, everything we do is borrow to take care of the immigrants and give money away. we have got people living on the streets. there is always more money to give away to other countries that there is to take care of our own people. caller: this is a critical debate in congress right now about the infrastructure bill and the reconciliation bill. we have been debating for quite some time the future of foreign assistance and how we start to think about our internal developments. the caller has put his finger on that big debate about how to redevelop america itself. that is the crux of many of the
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issues i have outlined in the book. we have already seen skewed socioeconomic situation, inequality, and fairness in the u.s., places like ohio, michigan, pennsylvania, the old industrial regions of the u.s. being behind in the new economy. the problem is extraordinarily complex to fix. it is actually a big development exercise, rooted in education and figuring out how to give people access to qualifications and new skills. it is rooted in public-private partnerships and how to train a new workforce. it is rooted in community neighborhoods, local, state governments, politics and decision-making. it is not all going to happen on
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the federal government. we have to bring back some ideas of development. places like ohio, pennsylvania, michigan -- there are some good examples of things people can do to address these questions without necessarily adding to the larger federal debt. i have seen a lot of great work being done by regional development councils. i talked about some of these in the book. it is an investment in communities and regional governments that we have to focus on. what is happening on the national level is important, that it is bringing things back to our localities. host: this is tom, illinois. caller: i was listening to
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fiona. she was comparing hiller to donald trump, i guess. -- heckler to -- hitler to donald trump, i guess. the durham report came out. he's got one person that he has indicted. the whole russia thing is totally false. he was inundated the whole time, his presidential time, as an evil dictator during all this terrible stuff, when he himself said that he had so many things against him -- people bring up impeachment, all this stuff -- that i cannot even imagine. government could really bring stuff against you, which is really, that is where you get
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into hitler stuff. caller: tom raises some important issues. describing -- the original question was about charismatic personalities. i said, let us put aside the larger issues that happen in germany after the 1930's. tom raises about the russia case and the molar investigation -- muller investigation. i hope you might read the book, because i lay out some of the issues that you are raising. the russians attacked our democratic system. they wanted to cast a shadow over anybody who would be president, to we can people -- weaken people's faith in our
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electoral system, but they also promote a massive political action in the u.s. the u.s. has accused president trump of being elected not by voters in the u.s., but by the russians. that created a massive political crisis. my personal view is that the investigations around the russian intervention should have looked across the word -- across the board. they should not have started with one individual campaign, because i know the russians were also looking to infiltrate the campaigns of many of the principal players who are likely to become the president. he wanted to cast a shadow over every one of them. they definitely had hillary clinton in their crosshairs. and thought she was going to win and they wanted to weaken her. it was true that that then
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triggered off a massive domestic crisis where our politics are painted by that operation. we did not handle it well. many people played in, doing exactly with the russians wanted, which was questioning the legitimacy of the person who became president. it was not for the russians did not interfere. they did. but we played into what they wanted to do. at said that clearly at the testimony when i was calling out what was happening around us. we didn't need a thorough investigation. we need to have a clear reckoning about what happened. -- we did need a thorough investigation. whether -- whether the president
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was legitimately elected. i am afraid that tom is right. there was an awful lot of playing into an influence operation and doing exactly what the russians wanted. host: you talked about how vladimir putin tried to exploit other countries. you talked about how vladimir putin tried to exploit donald trump specifically, uses kgb trading to influence trump. you talk about how you believe donald trump viewed vladimir putin. caller: both of these things are tied together. it was obvious to me in my time working with trump that it was not about russia, but it was about putin personally. president trump said all the time that for him putin was the ultimate. he admires the power that he exerted, the role he played on
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the international stage. everyone respects and fears him. he is an unchecked power, at least from the outside that is what it seems. certainly, he doesn't go through party, through parliament. it is just him and the russian constitution that underpins his influence and his position. across the wall, an impressive figure from the outside. trump admired putin. that tied into how putin was able to manipulate trump. about it what you feel about trump, he is charismatic. i described in the book's appeal. he is also incredibly thin
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skinned. he is quick to respond to insult , also very susceptible. anybody who follows him by -- on twitter could be retreated if they said something nice about him. putin didn't try to blackmail him, as was suggested. he was not doing anything for putin, but he was extraordinarily susceptible to outside influence by people who tried to praise him. i saw upfront that putin tried to manipulate trump. i sought in meetings where he tried to push his buttons, pushes commentary in a certain way, but also putin would say things on russian national television presenting economic performance, the stock market when he knew trump was focused on this. on one occasion, trump asked for phone call with putin.
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he said, he said nice things about me. i want to call and thank him. evident manipulation. for me, it was extraordinary problematic, because trump could be induced to do things on the basis of some unflattering him, usually on national television. host: brooklyn, allen, democrat. caller: from your perspective as a student of history and of russian culture and politics, how do you see the role of evangelical beliefs fitting into the paradigm of trump playing the strongman? recall specifically interviews with scalia before he died where he talked about the likelihood the will of god is more likely to be manifest in a country when
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it is led as a monarchy rather than a democracy. we are almost favoring changes in laws that would make a monarchic power more likely to emerge, which seems totally contrary to the american constitutional tradition. i am wondering if you see any of those strains? how can we address them without seeming to invite backlash or bigotry or accusations of bigotry, talking about the dynamics in an objective way? caller: this is important. it is important to talk about an objective. we all have to respect people's faith, but in the u.s., the objective has been to keep church and state separate, even though the u.s. is founded on judeo-christian principles. in the previous segment, there was a caller talking about the
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puritans, the pilgrims wanting to worship as they had chosen, having been persecuted in the u.k. there is a long tradition of people of all faiths, all kinds of backgrounds coming to the u.s. the u.s. was open to all faiths. now we get into something more complicated when one religious strand starts to bleed into politics. in the case of russia, putin has embraced the russian orthodox church. obviously, the communist party did not. they created their own charismatic cults around secretary-general of the communist party, stalin created
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himself a state religion around his personal interests. stalin had actually been training to be an orthodox priest. he understood how to playing with religion. what putin does is he embraces the russian orthodox church and gets the support of the church behind him, where a lot of people would be skeptical given his rise through the corridor of the kgb during the soviets. there is a big part to be made about lending religion -- blending religion. about 80% of the russian federation is orthodox. we are starting to see that in u.s. politics. president trump has been anointed as a charismatic
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personality. he is also a bearer of religion, even though many would say he is a flawed bearer of religion. we have seen many times the prayer breakfast and various meetings in the white house about how there has been something of a fusion of religion with politics and people talking about the president in religious terms. president biden has found himself in a comfortable position of clashing with the catholic church and certain catholic leaders because of his position on abortion rights. we do see this at all times in the u.s., we have always excluded a fine line between religion and politics. but the u.s. is a country of many religious beliefs, of many denominations.
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since the very beginning of the establishment of the united states, there were many faiths within the founding fathers themselves. they were not all from one particular religious persuasion. we have to remember that. having that kind of discussion is an important point. i was brought up in the north of england in a region where the church of many denominations played an important role. i grew up in a family where i had quakers, baptists, presbyterians, methodists. many of my family also married catholics. religious faith always played a part in the debates. my mother volunteered for years at a nondenominational protestant church but also within community service provider.
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this is part of the discussion. host: 20 minutes left in this discussion. this is alan in mena, independent. -- in maine caller: i love the title of your book. i love your -- i love that you are talking about strongmen and empires. my alternative title or aspect to the title of your book would be there is nothing here for you to see. i often use that when i talk about an empire and a cop on the beat typically says, nothing here to see. walk along folks. in the case of empire, the unique aspect of our empire is
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that it is a disguised crony capitalist empire. instead of a single, notable strongman like hitler or putin or any of the people who are impaired thinkers and ascribe to being an emperor themselves, like trump does, beyond real emperors, what we have in the u.s., we learned on hitler's dime and global's g --o g oebel's dime, when they pulled the nazi troops back and tried to fool the frenchmen that, you
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have a vichy government, it is still yours, you have gend armes on the street. they were too smart for that. caller: the point about crony capitalism and the empire of many in many respects is a valid one. american politics has changed since i came to the u.s.. a large part of this is because of citizens united that was argued in front of the supreme court in which big money was collated with free speech, opening the way for super pac's, in which millionaires, billionaires, other representatives of big business or generational money could start to influence politics by supporting candidates at the local, state, national level but
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without any real accountability. allen is right. we are dealing with a situation in which most americans have no idea who is standing behind various candidates or policies. this is just a matter of fact. the best political campaigns have been run with small donors, like people listening to c-span running local candidates, but on the national level, so many other candidates for congress and the senate are running on the back of big money that is trying to influence their views. we have also got the results from investigative journalists who have revealed information about how many of our own being
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the homes of so many shell companies, people hiding money from around the world in the u.s., the cayman islands, the seashell -- the seychelles. hiding money, not just so they can not pay taxes but can also use it for influence by buying property or politicians. host: oklahoma, coleman, republicans. caller: there has continue to want to focus on trump -- democrats continue to want to focus on trump. he was influenced russia while totally ignoring biden receiving $3 million from mayors' wives of
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moscow. just like the clinton foundation of the uranium one deal, it receives millions to allow russia to get about 20% of the u.s. uranium supply. all of these discussions continue to -- trump was a russian agent. the ridiculousness of all the games that were played there by ignoring actual problems of the democrats in their collisions with russia. caller: this -- guest: this is an important point. the caller has just touched on
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the very problem i was outlining about the way that big money has been able to enter the u.s. from other places, not just u.s. millionaires and billionaires, but also russian, saudi, coming in and influencing our politics. and into some of our less important institutions. i just would like to say that this is not a partisan issue. this is across the board. that is what worries me about the framing of our discussion. not just here today, for the phone lines coming in from democrats, republicans, independents, not sure how we should be navigating these positions set out by red and blue america. these problems that rep. meeks:s
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-- that callers are describing are across-the-board. influencing our politics to super pac's, foundations, putting children of all our politicians on the books of different companies, that should be outlawed across the board. it is not just a problem of democrats or republicans. it is a problem across-the-board for everyone. but the children of key officials should not be on the boards of foreign companies. this not even be on the boards of united states companies without proper scrutiny, because this nepotism, cronyism is perverting u.s. politics. should be having a national discussion. it has been shut down by special interests who are paying for politicians to distort the discussion. that is why many of us are different levels of society
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should be immobilizing and asking our local scum estate government --, state government why this is happening. it is not a political party issue. it is an issue across-the-board in american politics. host: sharon, pennsylvania. caller: i would like to agree with the things you said about the autocratic -- autocracy. i washed apocalypse hitler last night. the actions that trump did the whole way through tried to be the autocrat he wanted to be, if you watch those two shows last night, is here went to an t. everyone should see what is going on. i heard it last night on cnn. things are changing in our world
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and somebody better step up and pay attention. he is a dangerous man. watch hitler and you will find out. caller: part of our problem is that as soon as somebody from the past -- obviously, with such terrible competitions -- is mentioned, they are immediately shut down. if we look in an objective fashion about what is happening, it is more self-evident are people like myself who have come in to the u.s. who did not necessarily grow up here or who came from other societies that have been torn apart by civil conflict. think about all of the immigrants who have come over the last 20-30 use from europe, where there has been a long history of violence. the way europe has gone through two wars.
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everybody in their family know somebody who fought there. we relied on the u.s. for saving the day. it were not for u.s. troops, god knows what europe would be like today. we all know that history, we internalize it. we are now seeing some of things unfold here in the u.s. people like myself are trying to say, hey, i know this is uncomfortable. we do not want to admit that this is happening, but this is where you are. the u.s. is on a dangerous path that it has not been on before. we have had plenty of turmoil. that u.s. is not that new. the u.s. came at the same time as revolutions across europe, trying to cast off emperors and kings. you have the french revolution.
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immigrants were looking for a better life in which we the people would be able to play a role in our society. we are throwing that way. we are enthralled to political parties that do not necessarily have our interests in mind. they're not making changes in the way that we are hoping and are in -- we are in real danger of putting everything in the hands of one person, which is the reason we had a revolution in the first place. i am basically hoping people will take a long look at what is happening. to emphasize all of the ideas of who you are and just think about the u.s. and who you want to be and the future that we want for our children and for ourselves. this is the way to get it by focusing on one person and who is that person -- is this the way to get it?
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our local communities, our states, there is a lot of prospects we have being agents of change. host: 10 minutes left. you mentioned families a minute ago. the dedication in your book is for alf and dude. -- dune. caller: alf and june are my parents. my dad did not manage to get a full education. he went to the mine at the age of 14, following his father, all of his uncles, great-grandfather. there was never really any other opportunity for my dad. when he joined the coal mines in the late 1940's in -- and in the
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1950's, it was a good opportunity, good wages, the communities were vibrant. in the 60's, my dad wanted to emigrate to the u.s., because whole -- because coal mines were recruiting. my dad seriously considered moving to pennsylvania's lehigh valley, but my grandparents were ill and cannot go with him. he stated to look after his parents. my mother, on the hand, also left school at 16. she went immediately to train to become a midwife. she had a career that she enjoyed very much. she delivered hundreds of babies and told me and my sister came along and she had to leave work to look after us, because there were not many childcare options. but my parents instilled in me a
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very strong sense of public service and social responsibility. the communities in which we grow up were tightknit, multigenerational. my mother delivered pretty much every kid i grew up with. when mom was also a school nurse, helping into the community. there is also a strong sense of everybody pulling them together, helping everyone out. my dad's dream had always been to come to the u.s. i fulfilled that later on. i brought with me that desire to get ahead and a desire to be part of a larger community and to help make -- my parents were not municipal people but very much committed to the people around them. (202) 748-8000 --guest: alabama,
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independent. caller: i am calling about the debt ceiling. i do not understand why americans think we use chinese money or european money and now we owe them, as we are borrowing , which is not it at all. i am going to let you know about an economic cycle. eventually, it is got to come back to america through taxes. the cycle continues. that is all i have got to say. host: the economic cycle? guest: in a number of these cycles of change, we have got fiscal pressures. we have not even mentioned the pandemic. this has had a huge blow to our economy, as well as the global economy. we have energy crises and shortages.
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supply and distribution networks that have broken down. we are on the cusp of a new era. this is a time for reflection, because it is a time where we could be thinking about how we focus on our future development. focus on what we do at home to generate changes in the economy there would not be just about investment from overseas, which will remain important, but how we build up our own states and local economy. we are on the cusp of a major change. it is time for discussion about how we want to structure our economy. host: ashley, north carolina. caller: good morning. the most important thing in our nation currently is the fact
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that it is october 12 and we still have military men and women in afghanistan that joe biden has blood on his hands. one more thing. i am applauding southwest airlines for the stairs that the pilots have taken against the mandates. this is americans standing up and saying, my body, my choice. outside of abortion, we determined what health risk we are willing to accept. host: vaccine mandates or afghanistan, which do you want to take up? caller: both of these issues have entered our national conversation. we have to be able to listen on the public health issues to have many discussions as we can to
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engage in to figure out how we get on top of this pandemic. i come from a family in which public health was -- my father, when he lost his job in the minds -- mines, ended up working in a hospital. my family experienced infectious disease. like many in america, generations of my family were overextended because my family was so poor that they waited a long time to have children. my grandparents were born in the late 1890's. my grandfather fought world war i. many in my family died from the influenza pandemic in 1918. my family were infected with diseases that could be treated
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with axes. they were first in line to get vaccines, because they saw with their own eyes -- my mother lost parts of her hearing from measles before the measles vaccine. members of my family were stricken by polio. we were always having these debates. my family made the decision. public health was not politicized in the same way as it has been here. some of them wanted to thrive, wanted their families to be healthy. for them, vaccine development was our breakthrough. it meant that members of their family did not die from diseases that otherwise would have been preventable. a lot of people have come into the u.s., having these breakthroughs in medicine is a privilege. i am someone who goes out whenever there is an opportunity to have a vaccine to have a
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vaccine, because i grew up in an environment where that was a question of life or death for you, the community. on afghanistan, we have been in these forever wars since 9/11. there are those who do not believe we should have gone to afghanistan or iraq in the first instance, but we have to grapple about how we get out. that is also very important. we need to be able to have an objective discussion about all of these issues that are so crucial to the future of the country. the polarization, the politicized nation -- pulling it po --liticization of these issues. host: we are going to take viewers to the supreme court, live oral arguments in an abortion case. kentucky versus women's surgical
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center. that is where you will be going if you stay here on c-span, but fiona hill, i wanted to ask you to draw on your russia expertise. what do you think president biden should be concerned about as he deals with russia and puti n? caller: what he had -- guest: what he has to be concerned about is the domestic front. our domestic divisions are what vladimir putin and others will exploit. there are others on the internet pretending to be americans. there are massive ransomware attack's attacking our call infrastructure. these are acts of terrorism, not just criminality. we are always trying to head off this confrontation with russia, but really we have been having a confrontation with them.
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we create this information, they propagate disinformation. the antidote isn't things we are doing on washington journal, which is allowed americans to have proper, real-time discussions with each other. -- the antidote is things we are doing on washington journal -- pushing to the extreme abortion, having these conversations about the supreme court. we have to have sensible conversations. i am grateful to have that conversation with you. host: the book, and the other is
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fiona . >> house speaker nancy pelosi talked about the vote today to suspend the debt ceiling. at 1 p.m. eastern. house rules committee will consider a senate passed bill to temporarily extend the debt limit by $480 billion through december 3. at 3 p.m. the house returns debate and vote on the debt ceiling bill. watch online at c-span .org or the c-span now app. #. >> c-spanshop .org is the online store. browse through our latest collection of c-span products, apparel, books, home day corks and accessories. there's something for every c-span fan. every purchase helps support our nonprofit operation. shop now or any time at c-spanshop .org. #.
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