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over two decades, what is your story? >> there is 2, 1 is something that has occurred everywhere and is a bit more memorable. the recurring one is every veterans day goal, the world war two or more real. some the played a huge part in in making happen and in fundraising and going to the hill and lobbying for it. for somebody to be there so consistently and meant a lot, especially to a lot of the veterans. they only go there once. if we are losing, we only lost a big chunk of the greatest generation especially now, they're all in their 90's at this point or older. the fact that dole was there, he could not go in his last few years. and meant a lot to the veterans
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and certainly showed what type of person he was. in his commitment to them and their memory. they one that is seared into my memory is when he -- senator dan died in 2012, he and dole had a close friendship when they were both rehabbing. in italy. when they were rehabbing they developed a close relationship and that followed them into the senate. when one passed away, early on in the beginning, dole showed up. he stood up, which was not an easy task for him and walked a couple of steps towards the
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casket to salute it. he said he did not think he wanted to see him standing up. it was a genuine kind of person. it was one of those memories that sticks with you. host: do think bob dole will lie in the capital? guest: i think there will be a memorial to him, the six inches mean very little to the public whether it is lying in state or whether in the senate chamber or the house chamber or the rotunda. i cannot help but think that there would be some sort of remembrance of him be recognized as a casket in some sort of honor in the capitol building. host: this happens to be a busy week on capitol hill and weeks to come, what would that ceremony, would that mean for the senate's schedule.
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take us through what things are looking like and how things can change in the coming days and weeks. guest: we have a very busy few weeks heading into the christmas holidays. one thing congress was able to take off of the list and not have to worry about was funding the government. they found the president had a short term and continuing resolution to keep the government operating at the same funding levels until february. there is no taking shutdown clock -- ticking shutdown clock. both chambers would like to at least make some significant progress if not pass the pentagon policy or the national defense authorization bill. it past the house earlier this year, last week over a disagreement about amendments. the plan now is that the leaders
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of the senate and house armed services committee will conference it themselves if you will. the house will pass that. this is on the house schedule for the week. they hope to consider their version of this and they will send it over to the senate and the senate will pass and it will head to the president. there are still some real sticky issues that they need to resolve in that and--in how military justice is configured in the pentagon. there is a push to remove part of the military justice system from the command structure. particularly with sexual assault. there's also the debt limit, this may not get done this week but it certainly needs to get done in the next couple of weeks. janet yellen has said that december 15 is the date where
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congress needs to send something by that date to the president to either suspend the debt limit or to raise it to a certain level. how we get there is an open question. republicans said they will not be part of raising the debt limit or suspending it again. they want democrats to use the budget reconciliation process which averts a filibuster for that. that says all kinds of procedural things that could add a lot of days and minutes to the clock if you will. it is unclear when they will start the process. we will see. we are also in the middle of another big debate over the build back better plan. i see this is in the senate now, and the senate is debating the parliamentarian, looking at the facets of it to see if it adheres to the rules of the
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conciliation process. those are the three big ticket items that the congress wants to dispense with before the end of the year. i dislike so much attention to the clicking -- ticking clock or the pinched calendar or things like that. it does feel like we have a few weeks until the end of the year, this is going to be a crammed schedule. the fact that we do not know the exact venues wanes out of the legislation will pass is concerning for a lot of people on the hill. host: there seems to be an upcoming day for the debt ceiling. we just got past eight government funding. is there a specific day that build back better has to pass by? what is pushing that to happen this month, could that flip into the new year? there is --
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guest: there is nothing poignant about this month that build back better has to pass. and there are some procedural questions. i would have to comb through a lot of the senate rules and parliamentarian's rules about how they were conciliation packets can pass first. it is when things are dated in the fiscal year. they would love to pass the build back better plan first and give a clear lane to the affiliation procedure -- reconciliation procedure. democratic leaders have said that they would prefer to do this in a bipartisan fashion which means that they would go through the regular process. then you run against senate filibusters and more time. it is just at this point, they
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may have an idea that they have not shared with the press or some members of their staff. we do not know what it is. ideally, for them, they were due build back better first so that they can turn their attention to the debt ceiling next. it depends on how much progress they make on the areas of disagreement. the democrats don't have the votes at this point. with democrats going through saying what they can and cannot support. they have to see to their wishes. the timing is one of those mysteries will have to be dealing with and it is causing unease because people do not know how to plan for the rest of this month. host: we want to invite your to join the conversation because there are a lot of moving parts. a lot of senate and house rules
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and procedures. if you have questions about the politics, how it is all going to work, jason is a great guy to ask. a long time capitol hill hand and friend of this network. phone numbers, republicans, 202-748-8001, again phone lines are open. it will be with us until a: 35 this morning. -- our guest will be with us until 8:35 this morning. --doesn't make a difference at these government funding bills get kicked down the road three
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months at a time versus a package? guest: it does make a big difference for the agencies and the government as a whole. on a broader level, having her act together as a government -- having your act together as a government agency. the reason that the agency has people who are not huge fans as it freezes in place the spending level agree to the year previous fiscal year. they will go if it were 18th on the fiscal year. that is one of the things, we hear it over and over again that congress cannot get its work done on time. particularly with spending and appropriations level, that is true. the fiscal year began on october
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1 and operated under the same spending levels it did in a previous fiscal year. for democrats, one of the reasons that it matters is if they are in control of government, or control of the white house, they would like to enact their own spending priorities. either plus of different accounts or decrease -- plus up different accounts or decrease others. this spending levels were agreed to under donald trump and they were public and democratic house. ideally, -- it was a republican senate and a democratic house. as the party in power, you want to get your stamp on government. the democrats are unable to do that with this current solution. the agency have a people who are not as clinical as putting
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leaders, but they have to deal with lower spending levels. and the cannot plan --they cannot plan. let's say they create something buffet were 18th, you have this truncated fiscal year you are only able to work on new projects, things like the infrastructure bill. things that are ideally funded at their fullest level. you can only do that for half of the fiscal year. the process starts all over again. that is one of the reasons that the agencies of the departments would rather have a full agreed -- a fully agreed to set of spending priorities that they would follow through on. another thing that works against
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congress and the white house is when you come back, let us say that they get everything wrapped up by the end of this year. they're coming back in january, you have to start the process again of having to figure out what you are going to compromise on and make a deal on and jettison. realistically in june where he and february, a lot of those months are going to be spent dealing with -- really silly in june where january and february, a lot of those months are going to be spent funds. we are in that case right now. there will be dealing with this into february and set of dealing with the next fiscal year and any other priorities that come up. host: we have a caller ready to chat with you. caller: i love c-span.
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i want you to answer two questions from you. why cannot the democrats and the republicans act like adults and get along for the best of the country? the second question is, why don't republicans like nancy pelosi and secretary clinton? they remind me of oprah winfrey which are excellent role models for our women. oprah winfrey acquired a billion dollars without doing a run. this does not mean i do not like beyonce. -- oprah winfrey acquired a billion dollars without shaking
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her rump. does not mean i do not like beyonce. biden has done such a decent job , why don't we leave that man alone? get behind him as our president? host: jason will take the questions. why cannot republicans and democrats get along and what do republicans not like about nancy pelosi and hillary clinton? guest: this is the mystery of the ages. a lot of it comes down to money. the unfortunate reality on politics is the more money you raise for your campaign and causes the more powerful you will be. the thing that is raising a loan money is demonizing the other side. dealing with the aftermath of
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the death of bob dole, this was an inherently decent man, he was a partisan man. he was fighting for republican priorities. he knew what to form alliances with democrats in a way that was good for the public. there are so people like bob dole left in congress. they are outnumbered. -- there are people like bob dole left in congress. they are outnumbered. in terms of the effect of people like hillary clinton and nancy pelosi, i think the simple answer is that they are effective. when you are an effective politician, you attract it will. host: next caller. caller: just following along with what you just said, as a casual observer of the news on
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c-span and new york times and twitter and so forth, i am lost. we are history plays the battle in congress that is going on -- where the history plays the battle in congress. but to globally in infrastructure -- particularly in infrastructure. it is much needed. with all of the arguments floating around, it is hard to decipher what the bill is addressing. we are getting lost in the arguments between republicans and democrats. i do not know if this is the same old same old. the oligarchy has always been the rule in america. any comment on that? guest: i think it is, i am prone
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towards pessimism on a personal level. it is not so much the environment but that is my dark side of my personality. i am more minded -- reminded of people who like to call my bluff on that. these are particularly dark times in, where coming up on the anniversary on an attack of congress itself. the congress has been able to come together on something like the infrastructure bill. this has had a lot of republican support in the senate in particular. it was almost a grassroots thing , it did not involve the leaders as much as it involved the rank and file. they did that. infrastructure was a punchline in at least in the capital --capitol and congress. the fact that we were able to
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see this happen in the last year and see how congress reacted to shore up the market, and shore up employment systems and infused the country with support during the pandemic. it is tough because these are difficult times we are living in. there may be disagreement about that in the years to come. we have addressed them and we have addressed fundamental issues. there are a lot out there that they still need to grapple with. you mentioned voting rights and the mississippi abortion law. there are going to be fights left. they have also found ways to address some of these big issues. this infrastructure bill is
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going to make a big difference for a lot of communities. on a very basic level like roads and bridges and also on bigger issues like addressing broadband internet issues. there is some potential to be changing and maybe some people say there is a better way of doing things and better than screaming at each other. host: it is the anniversary of the attack on the capitol. the capitol police will be testifying in front of a committee. we will be airing it on c-span3 and on our free video app. what is the latest on whether the senate investigation or the select committee in the house, what are you watching for this week? guest: it seems like at the house select committee in
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particular is leading a moscow under its feet in term -- letting moss grow under its feet in terms of subpoena. against jeffrey clark, who was held in contempt by the committee by not cooperating. whether that will proceed or that will go away. he was deposed on saturday by the select committee. they were working out a contempt of congress. this is a tense issue. i do think that it shows that the system is proceeding in terms of its investigation. it had to go it alone because the senate could not get their own act together to pass something that would allow a bipartisan commission. people are learning more about the attack, about what went on
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before during, and after it. i mentioned michael bolton, the capitol police did -- director general will go to the senate rules committee. these things tend to take a lower key aspect than the house. it will be interesting to see what bolton says about what improves his findings are. he has not rested in terms of him trying to figure out what happened that day with the capitol police. we are going to get hearings, a lot of hearings in the coming year. i do not know how much time and appetite there will be for big scale hearings before christmas. if they will leave or deal with some of these big deadlines we discussed earlier. next year, i think the select
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committee will have a full fleet of hearings. they will start presenting their findings. host: have you heard about preparations for the anniversary? guest: there has been little. the house majority leader released a schedule for the house in the coming year. the house is not scheduled to be in session that day. they are not scheduled to return from their break until the 10th. it is unclear, hoyer said there would be some sort of ceremony. this is still one of the things that i do not -- i am not sure why we have not seen a broader thing about it. there is disagreement about exactly what happened. that might be hampering the ability to plan some of this.
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it is a charged issue. i am surprised that there has not been more done for this. i am guessing that we will have some impromptu stuff around the area. particularly with the people who defended the capital that day. the police department and the capitol police. it is weird that we have not heard more about what ways we will remember that day. considering how significant it is. host: phone lines again, if you want to join the conversation. at the end of the year. republicans is 202-748-8001.
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caller coming our next. -- caller, you are next. caller: i wanted to state the fact that it is sad in our country today that we have so much hostility towards each other. i do not think we do, but the rhetoric that comes out of the news and everything, the negativity is just really hurtful to this country. if we could actually cut back on that a little bit, and try and heal. that would be awesome, thank you. guest: i think the caller is speaking for a lot of people whose voices may get lost in the hostility.
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not to get too philosophical or squishy on the program about the legislative agenda, but people may be surprised how much it means for somebody, for small acts of kindness. it is easy to slam somebody on twitter, it is easy to get angry when you see a quote. it means so much more when people are kind or seek a common ground or seek to defuse a situation. perhaps this is the site of that personality about myself -- perhaps this is a side of that personality about myself. with people in our society, that they can extend those courtesies to people who may not agree on every political issue. host: on a day like this, day
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after the death of bob dole, who is being remembered for being gracious, leading in a bipartisan era. how much do you think the members themselves will stop and reflect on that? does it make a difference to them? or do they just do the ceremony and go back to the political wars of the day? guest: i think it means a lot to most of them. there will be some people who are either distant from it because they did not know bob dole or what he stood for. particularly for the older members and who carry the most sway in the capital, and means a great deal to people. like nancy pelosi, mitch mcconnell. they may act in partisan ways
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now, i think the more we can step back and think of those things, the better off we will be. when john mccain died, i feel like that moment was probably similar to what we will see with bob dole. they were both were heroes, genuinely interesting people, interested in the legislative process. their deaths meant a lot to the people in the capital and enable people to pause and recognize


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