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an now cap wherever you get your podcasts. host: glad to welcome jason dick back to the washington journal. he is roll call deputy editor. jason dick, you have covered congress for well over two decades. what is your bob dole story? guest: one is something that occurred every year and is more prosaic. one is a very memorable. the recurring one is every veterans day, dole was at the world war ii memorial, something he made a huge -- played a huge part in making habit, fundraising amenity to be there so consistently, it meant a lot. a lot of the veterans go there once. we have lost a big chunk of the
greatest generation. they are all in their 90's at this point. the fact that dole was there every single time, even though he was sick his last few years, it meant a lot to the veterans and certainly showed what type of person dole was in his commitment to them. the one that is seared into my memory is when senator dan anyway died in 2012, he was also a veteran, he and dole developed a close relationship when they were rehabbing at walter reed. that followed them into the senate. when it away -- inhoe died in 2012, he laid in the rotunda of the capitol.
early on, dole shut up. he was in a wheelchair. he stood up, which was not an easy task, and walked a couple of steps toward the casket to salute it, because he did not want inhoe to see him standing up. he was a genuine kind of person. those memories stick with you. host: do you think bob dole will lie in the capitol? guest: there will be some sort of memorial. what form it takes -- these distinctions mean little to the public, whether it is lying in state, the rotunda, but i cannot help but think that there will be some sort of remembrance of him being recognized, his casket
in some sort of honor in the capitol loading. host: we noted a busy week on capitol hill. what with that ceremony mean for the senate's schedule? take as through what things are looking like and how it could change. guest: as you mentioned, we have a busy few weeks heading into the christmas holidays. one thing congress was able to take off their list was funding the government. the president signed a short-term continuing resolution to keep the government operating until february. there is notetaking shutdown clock that they have to worry about, but some big ticket items are on the agenda. both chambers would like to make significant progress, if not
passed, the pentagon policy bill. it is in the senate last week after a disagreement over amendments. the plan is that the committee will conference at themselves and the house will pass that at some point. this is on the house schedule for the week. the majority leader sending out a note saying they hope to consider their version of this and will send it to the senate. the senate will pass it theoretically. there is still some sticky issues that they need to resolve, particularly when it comes to how luke perry justice is configured in -- how military justice is configured in the pentagon.
sexual assault is one of those big topics still hanging ever this process. there is also the debt limit. it may not get done this week, but it needs to get done within the next couple of weeks. janet yellen has said december 15 is the date where congress needs to send something to the president to either suspend the debt limit or raise it. how we get there is an open question. the republicans have said they are not going to be a part of raising the debt limit or suspending it again. they want democrats to use budget reconciliation, which averts a filibuster, for that that gets into all kinds of procedural things that could add a lot of days and minutes to the clock. it is unclear when they are going to start that process, but it is also on the schedule. we are also in the middle of another big debate over the
build back better plan. this is also in the senate now. the house passed it earlier. the senate is debating, the parliamentarian is looking at various aspects to see if it adheres to the rules of the reconciliation process. those are the three big ticket items that congress wants to dispense with before the end of the year. i see so much attention on the taking clock or the pinched calendar, but it feels like even though there we've got a few weeks for the end of the year, this is going to be a cramp schedule. the fact that we do not can w the exact venues -- that we do not know the exact venues, is cause for conservator host: there seems to be an upcoming d-day for the debt ceiling.
we just got past a government funding cliff. is there any specific day build back better has to pass by? what is pushing that to happen this month? could it slip into the new year? guest: there is not anything especially poignant about this month that the back better has to pass by the end of this month. there are some procedural questions. i would have to come through in the center about -- a lot of the senate rules about which reconciliation package can past first. they would love to pass the bill back better plan first and get a clear lane to if they do have to use the same reconciliation procedure for the debt ceiling. nancy pelosi and chuck schumer have said that they would prefer
to do this in a bipartisan fashion. but you run up against senate filibusters and more time. at this point, they may have an idea they have not shared with the press or members of their but we do not know what it is. you like for them, that would do build that printer first so they can turn their attention to the debt ceiling next, but it depends on how much progress they make on areas of disagreement. democrats do not have the votes, particularly joe manchin and just a cinema saying, -- and kyrsten sinema saying that is something we can afford, that is not. the timing is really one of those mysteries that we will
have to be dealing with and is causing an ease, because people do not know how to plan for the rest of this month. host: let me invite viewers to join the conversation. there are a lot of moving parts, rules and procedures. if you have questions about those, the politics, how it is going to work, jason dick a great guy to ask those questions to, deputy editor at roll call. phone numbers -- republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) 748-8002. jason dick will be with us until 8:45. one question on the continuing resolution that was dispensed with last week to fund the government -- what is the
difference between a cr and a full-year funding agreement for the agencies themselves? does it make a difference that these bills get kicked down the road versus a full-year funding package? guest: it does make a difference for the agencies, the government as a whole. on a broader level, just for having your act together as a government entity or organization, the issue with continuing resolution, the reason cabinet secretaries are not huge fans is it basically freezes in place the spending levels agreed to the previous fiscal year. right now, they will be operating through third rate 18 on the -- through february 18 on
the fiscal year that ended december 30. particularly with spending and appropriation levels, that is true that congress cannot get his work done on time. this new fiscal year began october 1 and is operating under the same spending levels as the previous fiscal year. for democrats, one reason that that matters is that they are in control of house, the senate, the white house right now. they would like to enact their own spending priorities and either plus up different accounts or decreased accounts that they do not think need as much money. the levels that the government is operating under our spending levels agreed to under donald trump and a republican senate and democratic house. ideally, for the party in the
power, want to get your stamp on government. the democrats are not able to do that with this continuing resolution. every agency has people who are not as political party leaders. they have to deal with our spending levels and cannot plan. they do not know what will be the case for the rest of the fiscal year. let us say they do agree to something. then you have this truncated fiscal year where you are only able to work on new projects and priorities, things like the infrastructure bill, that art these different programs that, ideally, you would want to fend at their fullest level. you can only do that for about half the fiscal year. in the process starts again. that is one of the reasons that
agencies and departments would rather have a fully vetted, fully agreed to set of spending priorities that they can follow through on. another thing that works against congress and the white house is that when you come back, let us say they get everything wrapped up by the end of this year. they come back in january. you immediately have to start this process again of figuring out what you're going to compromise on, make a deal on, and jettison. january, february, those months are going to be spent dealing with last year's fiscal year numbers and how they can translate to the current one. it jams you up. when you get behind, it is hard to get ahead and hold serve. they are in that case right now,
where they will be dealing with this into february instead of other priorities. host: several callers waiting to chat with you. bob, chicago, democrat. caller: i love c-span. i would like you to answer these two questions. why cannot the democrats and publicans act like -- republicans act like adults and get along for the best of the country? the second question is, why do not like nancy pelosi and chuck schumer? they remind me of bo winfrey -- oprah winfrey. oprah acquired a billion dollars without shaking.
that does not mean i do not like beyonce. host: bob, do you want to get your comment in? caller: my comment is joe biden asked his wife, i think he lost his son. he does such a decent job, got us out of afghanistan. why do not they leave that man alone and he behind him as our president? host: jason dick will take the questions. why cannot democrats and republicans get along and -- it along? guest: this is the mystery of the ages. a lot of it comes down to money. the inversion of in politics is the art money rates for
campaigns and causes, the more powerful you will be. right now, the thing raising a lot of money is emed icing the other side. -- demonizing the other side. the aftermath of bob dole, this was an inherently decent man. this was a artisan man, no bones about him being a republican leader, but he also knew when to form alliances with democrats in a way that was good for the public. there are still people like dole left in congress, but they are outnumbered by loud, poisonous voices looking to demonize others. in terms of people like hillary clinton and nancy pelosi, the simplest answer is they are effective. when you are effective, you attract enemies. host: rod, new york,
independent. caller: following along with what you just said, i was a casual observer of c-span, the new york times, twitter. i am lost in feeling where it will history place this current battle in congress that is going on not only with voter issues, but particularly in infrastructure is where i initially called to, this bill, i think it is a needed bill, but with all the arguments floating around, it is hard to decipher what it is actually addressing. we are getting lost in the argument between republicans and democrats.
maybe this is the same old same old. i get pessimistic thinking that oligarchy has always been the rule. any comment? guest: i think that -- i am prone sometimes toward cynicism and pessimism on a personal level. it is not so much the environment, but that is to darkside. but i am reminded by people who like to call my bluff every once in a while that, yes, these are particularly dark times -- we are coming up on an anniversary of an attack on congress --, but the fact that congress has been able to come together on something like the infrastructure bill. this had a lot of republican support in the senate. it was almost a grassroots thing. it involves the rank-and-file.
infrastructure week was sort of a punchline, at least in the cap event and, -- capitol and congress. the fact that we were able to see this happen in the last year and the way the congress reacted to try to shore up our pets, shore up -- drop markets, shore up unemployment systems, infuse the country with support during the pandemic, it is tough. these are difficult times. i do not think there will be any disagreement about that in the years to come. but they have addressed the fundamental issues. there is a lot there that they still need to grapple with. some of these issues are intractable. you mentioned voting rights. i think an abortion rights fight is coming next year after the
supreme court rules on mississippi's law. there are going to be fights left, but they also have found ways to address some of these issues. this infrastructure bill is going to make a big difference for a lot of community spread on a basic level like roads and bridges, but bigger issues like broadband. this has the potential to be changing. maybe some people will say that is a better way of things and then screaming at each other. host: you mentioned january 6 and the anniversary. tomorrow, the u.s. capitol police inspector general michael bolton will be testifying before the senate rules and administration committee. we will be airing that on c-span3, c-span.org, and now
video app, what is the latest on whether it is the senate investigation or the select committee in the house? what are you watching for you? guest: this week, it seems like the house committee is letting no moss growth in terms of turning out subpoenas. we are following whether the resolution against jeffrey clark , who was a justice department official, who was held in contempt id committee for not cooperating, whether that will proceed or go away, he was deposed on saturday by the select committee. they worked out an agreement to avert a contempt of congress citation. that is a big part of what we are seeing. this is a tense issue. but i do think that it shows that the system is proceeding in
terms of its investigation. this committee had to go it alone, because the senate could get their act together that would allow -- to pass something that would allow a bipartisan commission. people are learning more about the attack, what went on before, during, after it. i would not be surprised if there are more subpoenas. i am interested in what michael bolton will say to the senate rules committee. there investigations in the senate, -- theri -- tgeir investigations in the senate, these things tend to be lower key in the house. bolton certainly has not rested in terms of trying to figure out what happened that day. we are probably going to get hearings, a lot of hearings in
the coming year. i do not know how much time and appetite there will be for big scale hearings before christmas, when they will be dealing with some of these big deadlines. next year, i think the select committee is going to have a full slate of hearings. we will start presenting their findings. host: have you heard anything about preparations for that anniversary? guest: remarkably little. steny hoyer released a schedule for the house in the coming year. he house is not scheduled to be in session that day. they are not scheduled to return from that rate until january 10. hoyer said there would be some sort of marker ceremony, but
this is still one of the things where i am not sure why we seen a broader thing there is still disagreement between democrats and republicans about exactly what happened that might be hampering the ability to plant some of this. it is still a charged issue. i am surprised that has not and more done. i am guessing that we will have some impromptu stuff around the area, particularly with the people who defended the capitol that day, but capitol police, metro police, park police, it is where -- weird that we have not heard more about what ways we will remember that day. host: coming up on 8:30 on the east coast. phone lines if you want to join the conversation about the weeks
ahead on capitol hill -- republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000. independents, (202) 748-8002. tim, michigan. caller: this is a first-time call. i would like to state that this sad in our country today, we have so much hostility towards each other. i do not really think we do, but the rhetoric that comes out of the news and everything, the negativity is hurtful to this country. if we could cut back on that a bit and try and heal, that would
be awesome. host: jason dick, any thoughts? guest: the caller is speaking for a lot of people whose voices make lost in the hostility. not to get too philosophical or squishy on a program about legislative agenda, but people may be surprised how much it means for somebody for small acts of kindness. it is very easy to send many on twitter, get angry, when you see a quote, a lot of the time out of text, but it means so much more when people are kind or seek common ground or seek death use the situation. perhaps this is the opposite side of my personality.
underneath the senate, there is a romantic part i hope that that is the case not just with congress, but also with people. hoping that people can extend courtesies to people they do not necessarily agree with. host: on the day after the death of bob dole, who is being remembered for leading in a bipartisan era, how much do you think members themselves will stop and reflect on that? does it make a difference to them? do they just do the ceremony and go back to political wars? guest: i think it means a lot to most of them. there will always be some people who are distance from it. they did not know dole, but particularly for some of the older members and those who carry most sway, it i think it
means a great deal to people like pat lahey, chuck grassley, nancy pelosi, mitch mcconnell. they may ask in partisan ways now and may react in ways that some people would not consider helpful in partisan fights, and in moments like this where we can all pause and reflect on somebody like dole, who fought for his own priorities as a partisan but never lost his sense of humor and ability to connect, i it is matter. the more that we can step back, the better off we will be. when john mccain died, i feel like that moment was probably similar to what we will see with dole. they were both war heroes,
genuinely interested in the legislative process, interesting people. their deaths meant a lot to the people in the capitol and enable people to pause and recognize that there is more that unites us than divides us not to take anything away from the passion that people bring to politics or the severity of some disagreements that we have over big issues, but if we can pause in moments like this, it does enable people to think twice about that comment on twitter. host: naples, florida, patrick, democrat. good morning. caller: i am a recovering southern democrat here in desantis, florida. i do not know what is going on.
bob dole is a great man. so was john mccain. when these so-called republicans will fight anybody that stands up against from, it reminds me of a guy back in the 30's and 40's. what do you think? guest: i think that there is very much a sway and a hold that donald trump has over the republican party. one of the things that is dispiriting is to see people who in the hallways will tell you that they disagree with his policies or do not really have much use for the way he vilifies people, but publicly, they feel like they cannot step away because they will be punished by their own voters or party. liz cheney, she stood up for
what she believed in terms of pushing back on the former president's times about voter fraud and has been vilified by her own party on capitol hill, back in wyoming. this is the third ranking republican in the house, the daughter of one of the most powerful vice president in our history. i do not mean to minimize the way that politics has changed in the last few years, particularly intra-republican politics and how much influence donald trump has, but it does not take much for people to forge their own path and do what they believe is right. there are republicans who are standing up, distancing themselves, attempting to go
their own way and figure out what is next. looking forward decades, not just in the next election cycle. what happens in the interim is going -- is unclear. this midterm will reveal a lot about what the direction of the republican party and help democrats react to the post trump environment. they still rely on him for fundraising, too. it is a tactic that they use. i do not have an easy answer. but i do think that it is helpful to keep in mind that these things do not last forever. host: less than 10 minutes left with jason dick, roll call deputy editor. jean is in syracuse new york. caller: i think i have some information that could help her -- could help.
what you were just talking about, some people seem to not care for trump, but at other times, they do. really, this is exactly hide into january 6, is there is two competing stories. the real story about the sixth was that was not trump supporters, had nothing to do with them. they were infiltrators, black lives matter, probably, and nt five. they were paid to the there. this was planned. host: jason dick, have any of the investigations shown that? guest: no. they have proved the opposite, especially with the plea
agreements that a lot of the folks who invaded the capitol and ransacked it, they have been clear that they were there because they thought that that is what donald trump wanted them to do. there is zero evidence that it was from black lives matter or antifa or people trying to make donald trump look bad. if you doubt that, you can look at some of the rallies, particularly january 6, in which trump told his supporters to go to the capitol, and all the reporting sense in which he tried to pressure officials, everyone from his own vice president down the line, to overturn the election. host: from twitter, how much will results of 2022 be determined from the effectiveness of the january 6 coverage being covered by the mainstream media?
guest: that may be true. i think that -- one think the previous caller showed is that people are, in a lot of ways, they are wedded to their own narrative. if people are tuning into the process, i think that is healthy, because they will see people who are going to argue their version of it. i think that it is a good idea for people to turn in particular the nc spent, for the hearings -- on c-span, for the hearings. there is less of a filter. i do not know the widescale effect on house races. every race is going to matter, because the margins are so close. republicans probably have a built in advantage in terms of their chances to reclaim the
majority, because of demographic change and redistricting. they control the process in right a few states and are able to shape the districts in a way that benefits registered republicans. i do not know if the january 6 commission is going to sway a lot of swing votes in about why, but i think an informed electorate is always a better thing than an uninformed electorate. host: florida, dennis, line for democrats. caller: i really appreciate c-span. i keep listening. as an engineer, i wrote specifications. i would assume that both the house of representatives and the senate have a copy of what they voted on to raise the debt limit. oh wait a minute, well donald
trump was the president, which they did several times. saying, wait a minute, we voted on try some billion dollars. now -- on $27 billion. now we are going to vote on $29 billion. both parties added to the debt of our country. do you think you could find a copy of that and send it up to the hill? guest: i think there are plenty of copies. one of the things that has defined a lot of the last few years is, are these fights over the ceiling and appropriations, things that used to be pro forma , done on a bipartisan basis. particularly, the people digging in, saying they know that they
helped raise the debt ceiling on a bipartisan basis as recently as the last administration. but there is some gamesmanship. mitch mcconnell in particular notes how to stretch out the clock for his own purposes. he knows how to eat into the clock when the democrats are in the majority. he knows that they suspended the debt limit. he was instrumental in the last race a couple -- last raise a couple of months ago, but he wants chuck schumer to have a miserable time in the near future. he is going to make sure that democrats and this one, even though he was instrument till in raising the debt limit and he was majority leader. host: two minutes left. tracy, columbus, georgia, independent. caller: i am calling from georgia.
i am really concerned about this country moving for in a forward- thinking, collaborative manner where everyone is included. host: what is your question? turned on your television. it makes it easier to hear. caller: i am ready to see something put in place about police brutality. guest: i think that that is one of those issues that is not going to be addressed for some time. i do not mean to be a downer, but there were talks, bipartisan talks, process chamber talks earlier this year about addressing structural reforms in the police departments. they collapsed.
it is unclear when they will come back, particularly in the heat of a political campaign here. i do not have a good answer. host: but we will have you back in the new year. jason dick, >> c-span's watch internal, everyday we are taking your calls live on the air. coming up tuesday morning, maryland democratic congressman anthony brown, a member of the armed services committee will be on to talk about foreign policy and military issues. then we will take a look at a debate about the role of parents in education. and a talk with a representative from the association of
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