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gov. desantis: is it hot? we are smarting over the bucks living in the playoffs and having tom brady retire. we may have another 20 years to wait, so we will see what happens. >> i know all of tampa and the mac in any family are grieving at the loss. i drive around florida all the time and i see license plates from everywhere and i must say, it's an honor to be here with you today.

gov. desantis: people always ask me, these people coming, they are coming to a free state, do they understand that, or are they can going to kind of do the of their -- do the other? as of the end of january there are now 60,000 more republicans than democrats. that should tell you something. [applause] >> it certainly does tell you a lot. starting out, i want to talk about covid-19 and the constitution. the constitution has been rubbing up against the first amendment by way of example, california rebuked five times on the issue of freedom of religion alone. when california was rebuked for

trying to rebuke -- i was in the trunk white house, -- trump white house. gov. desantis: at the end of the day, this is something we had to deal with, but you do not throw people's rights out the window and i was just something we didn't want to do, particularly when you saw states closing houses of worship, but liquor stores could operate. strip clubs, you name it, and i just saw that as being something that was very dangerous. so throughout the whole time, it seemed like the narrative was like no one could talk about individual rights, it's all about log down, you can have kids at school, you can't do that. we viewed it the opposite. the default needs to be freedom and if there is justification to do things for held and it's a burden on those people to want to do it, and with the churches, there was never a basis to do it, so we protected that, and i

think we were better for it. it's interesting, we would have people -- i have had people write into my office who were not allowed to get married in these other states, so they are literally saying we went and got married at this church in florida and had such a great time and everything, thank you for doing that. so when you are clamping down on that, you're not only violating people's rights, your crushing a lot of their hopes, dreams, and aspirations, and that is fundamentally wrong. >> another orwellian thing is the mandates. the supreme court struck down the private sector mandates, and this is another example where you were ahead of the game, in november you band private sector vaccine mandates in florida. what caused you to do that? gov. desantis: from the beginning we said this is something we will make available to everybody. it was very efficient, focusing

on seniors. but we would mandate it for nobody. that was the beginning -- from the beginning, december, 2020. most people were saying that at the time. even biden was saying the federal government doesn't have the authority to mandate it. then you start getting into the summer and early fall and it became something where they wanted to deny people the ability to work based on the shot, deny you the ability to participate in society, and even some states denied kids the ability to go to school based on this. i viewed that is something that was very serious because i think that would potentially marginalize a lot of people from society. i am not for mandates generally but even if you want to justify it, wouldn't the actual thing you are mandating actually have to prevent infection and transmission in the first place? to me, that would have to be a precondition for these mandates.

other states have done this. i don't think it even passes a rational basis test. in florida, you're not going to have to choose between the jab and your job. were going to make sure you are able to earn a living and you can exercise your rights. the one thing that really irked me about it was, none of these mandates recognize immunity through prior infection. you had studies in israel and places showing how potent it was. cdc initially responded that by concocting a bogus study saying vaccination was much stronger, recently the cdc has had to acknowledge, it didn't get a lot of attention because it doesn't fit the narrative, they had to acknowledge that with delta, natural immunity was much more protective than mrna vaccines. that's just the reality. if you say you're doing this for public health purpose but your ignoring of core scientific fact, i think it was more about

control. it was more about targeting people they don't like, and it was an inappropriate use of not just government power but also corporate power. >> and mask mandates, i'm a mom of a two-year-old so it is a very important issue to me. you targeted these mask mandates with an executive order and the department of health came up with an emergency rule that said parents can opt out of the mask mandate for their kids. gov. desantis: in florida, we've never mandated masks in florida because there was no -- never a basis to. people could wear them or not. for 100 years it was viewed as ineffective -- ineffective for cloth mask. there was never a clinical trial to show cloth mask. they will have doctors who will say that cloth masks do not work. they now acknowledge that. there have been to clinical

trials, one in denmark, one in bangladesh, both showed a cloth mask is really null in terms of its impact. that was certainly my belief that this. when you're tall -- talking about forced masking kids, you have to look at the harms you are imposing on the kids. what is the emotional toll of not being able to see people smile and see people's faces? how can you even understand people through this? if someone 20 feet away from me is talking through mass, i don't know what the hell they are saying, so it is not good for education. the people who were speaking out and saying there should not be forced asking of kids, they were right. the forced massacres were wrong, and i think you're going to see more and more, there is already data coming out about speech and other types of things that kids

are behind, i think you will see more and more. at best, the cloth masks make very little difference. clearly this is not doing a major change on disease curves. given that, why would you possibly want to go down this road of treating these kids this way? the one thing we are proud of florida is, so many other places , the most defense lived -- defenseless people in our society, they wanted them to bear the brunt of this mitigation. a lot of these blue states that force mask the kids, you go to bars, other events, they're making the kids be in this ridiculous state of mitigation. 2020, the kids would come up to me, thank you for getting me

back in school. 2021 school year, it was governor, thank you for letting me go without a mask. [applause] >> one of my daughter's first words was mask, literally it was one of the first. thank you for what you've done with the mask mandates. i'll never forget being in the press secretaries office and a man named dr. scott atlas came into my office, sat down at pile of dead and said to me, what nation sacrifices their children on the backs of a movement? governor, you kept schools open. i was a little befuddled when i would tune into the white house press briefing, jen psaki is up there and she has an interesting remark. an example would be florida where they have done little to

distribute money, to states across the state and school districts. that's just simply not true. gov. desantis: biden stimulus in march, which helped fuel the inflation we are seeing now, huge, huge mistake for them to have printed all that money and they want to do even more, and that's the biggest problem in the economy right now. they include a lot of money for school reopening. you want to open schools, open them. you don't need a lot of money to do it. we've actually distributed more than 40 other states, but not for reopening, because we had already done it. if you go back to june of 2020, we said every parent in florida has a right to send their kids to school in person, and we were sued by the education unions.

we were opposed by virtually every element in the democratic party. it was an incredibly easy decision, because the data was overwhelming that you need to have kids in school. the teachers union would bring coffins and place them outside the florida department of education. they would go into the school district and do these ridiculous things. if it wasn't for me, the kids would have been locked out of school in 2020 in the state of florida. we stood in the breach, we fought back, and now people are trying to rewrite history and say we've supported it, everyone wanted the schools open. that's just not true. they were grievously wrong.

>> there's a lot of re-freeze -- revisionist history. today there was something to the effect of saying we weren't the party that wanted to lock down. i remember a guy who was locked down in a basement for more than a year. a big study out this week, johns hopkins university did a meta-study of 34 studies that found the lockdown had little to no public health effect. one of the first times i met you , i met this governor who was talking about how lockdowns don't work and it seems like you were kind of educated by johns hopkins. gov. desantis: the open states like florida, michigan, new york, new jersey, we have higher

-- they have higher per capita for covid. then you have other states where if you compare california to florida, age-adjusted covid mortality were about the same. they have lower overall covid mortality because they are younger state but they actually have more excess mortality. they have lockdown deaths. lockdowns absolutely had a negative public health effect on people and certainly people who are by and large not inherently at risk for covid. there was never any discussion about that. we have a summer season that goes up, it peaks, it starts coming down. i knew that because i'm following the data. fauci called for florida to

lockdown after the infection peak. why the hell would you do that? it was supposed to be 15 days to slow the spread. the idea was let's get ppe, make sure the hospitals have staffing. the epidemiological models were totally wrong and those people should be held accountable for that. but it was viewed as a temporary thing. then as we get into april 2020, fauci is saying lockdown until there's no cases or no deaths. that is not possible with an airborne respiratory virus. throughout that whole time it was like all these people criticizing florida for being open. it's interesting, governors who criticize florida and lockdown their state always seem to find a way to get down to our state to escape their own policies. big-city mayors.

[applause] big-city mayors, and i'll tell you, anchor some of these leftist tv host who constantly criticize florida. then they end up on the beach somewhere in south florida. our floridians give these people held when they see them down here. they know these people have been bad mouthing. the cherry on the sundae was over new year's you had aoc coming down criticizing florida and then comes down. so we decided to make kind of a little joke about it. so we created t-shirts that said escape to florida, and the dates they were all in florida. we sold more outside the state than we sold here because people

realized how hypocritical these people are. >> she had to take a twitter break because of the florida saga. she got some needed blowback for that. one last question on covid. you tweeted on legislation for people who want to visit their loved ones. what can you do to make sure this never happens again? gov. desantis: when covid first hit, you had to make decisions. the biggest decision we made in mid-march was we banned hospitals from sending covid positive patients back into nursing homes. other states forced them into nursing homes. we had certain mitigation that was required for nursing homes because we understood these are the most vulnerable people. as the weeks went on, we started

getting into summer 2020, these people needed to be seeing their loved ones. we were encouraging visitation. the same went hospitals. the hospitals didn't want anyone in either. people need their loved ones there. this is an important part of a decent society. most of the nursing homes and hospitals in florida have made efforts to do that. were looking to enact a patient's bill of rights. you have the right to have your loved ones there present with you. i think that's going to go a long way. when you have people in these difficult situations and the best they can do is facetime or something like that, that is wholly inadequate.

when you toss aside every other consideration in society just for this, mitigating this one respiratory virus, which is airborne and a lot of the mitigation has been effective on it. you have to balance these different interests. there are huge interests at stake when you're keeping loved ones out of the hospital or nursing home. the residents were much happier when they started having more visitors. i think a lot of places in florida have done a good job and will probably have to come in and have a minimum required so we can guarantee that people have the human connection that they need. >> it is so important. moving on to school choice. i'll never forget after you won

the florida governor's race, seeing an article about school moms, school choice moms tipping the race for desantis. you made good on those promises to the school choice moms. gov. desantis: when i came in, we had about 100 thousand kids on need-based scholarships, but it was maxed out because this is based on corporate tax credits. corporations would have to write it off and send it to this fund, and we basically reached the limit on that. it could just be done in the normal education system. probably by the end of this year we will probably have doubled the number of kids who are on private scholarships, mostly low income families overrepresented,

latino kids are overrepresented. we are also getting it more to not just people who are considered poor but considered more working class. certain parts of our state, you could have what's considered a middle income job and it is expensive in places like miami. so we have increased the income threshold so that more families can participate. i have a big package, one of the things in the bill is saying any kids of law enforcement in the state of florida or eligible for a family empowerment scholarship regardless of income. that will be really exciting and another big expansion. >> i'm sure you have seen some of these videos, illegal

immigrants being sent through unmarked offices, put into taxis and being dropped off in various cities. some of them dropped in miami. he pointed out recently there was a 17-year-old, a man who posed as a 17-year-old come through the southern boarding -- border and ended up killing of father in florida. you said in a letter that illegal immigration consumes taxpayer money and burdens governmental services. have you heard back? gov. desantis: probably not. we are suing them in court on their catch and release policy. they've actually had to change it -- what they were doing was, people would be coming across the border, and they are coming from everywhere. anyone who thinks it is mostly mexicans, not even close. you have people from the middle east, africa, south america.

biden is not enforcing the border and that is your ticket to come. why would you wait and do it normally when you can, right in? we were there and we saw this stuff. we sent people, they would stop the folks, that would interdict them, but then they turned them over to the feds, and the feds would give them a notice and say call this number to schedule your deportation proceedings. well, hell, just imagine if someone robs your house and the prosecutor says, call this number to schedule your trial for burglary. that's just not how it works. so there was no enforcement. they would definitely be subject potentially in the future. we've been able to do that. so we're working through the legislature now to see that some

of these private carriers who are bringing people in, sometimes buses, if you are facilitating illegal migration into florida, you will forfeit the ability to do business with state or local communities in florida and we will charge you restitution for every person that you are bringing into the state of florida because there's a lot of cost to it, and we are getting money to be able to reroute them to sanctuary states like delaware and these other places. what he is doing, when you have hundreds of thousands a month pouring in illegally and he is facilitating it, it's basically the largest human smuggling operation we've seen in the world and it is causing harm to a lot of people because these cartels are eating our lunch, they are abusing people, doing drugs, doing a lot of bad stuff.

but he is not faithfully discharging the constitutional oath of office that he took to take care that the laws are faithfully executed. he is failing on that and in a state like florida, we have to do everything we can to push back on what is not just a policy failure but a constitutional failure as well. >> moving on to a contrast of vote red state and a blue state, look at these two amazing officers who just lost their lives ambush style, their funerals are very emotional to watch. an officer was shot every 12 hours roughly speaking. so there is a crisis with our officers in this country. you offer them a $5,000 bonus if law enforcement wants to come to the state of florida. i contrast what you've done with

what is happening in new york and l.a. with these district attorneys. gov. desantis: you go back to june of 2020, we never bought into the narrative against the police from the very beginning. we called up our national guard, we have state law enforcement ready, and the result is, you did not see what happened in those other places happen in florida. a lot of those communities took money away from law enforcement, and part of that is just bad because you need it to be source. part of it is the message that sends to the people wearing the uniform that you don't have support of the community, so morale is very low. you've seen hugh did -- huge increases in crime over the last two years in all of those jurisdictions. part of it is taking money from police, not supporting police. not abolishing cash bail like in new york where they put these

dangerous people back on the street. and rope prosecutors who described that -- robe prosecutors who are not going to prosecute crime. it breeds a culture of lawlessness. i think it has been a total train wreck. we reject all of that. we are not releasing felons early in florida. if you have state attorneys that behave like l.a. and san francisco, i am yanking them. they will be gone in a new york minute. [applause] we see an opportunity because morale is so low, and these positions need to be filled. we have a shortage of people here in florida so you will get a $5,000 transfer bonus if you

transfer from out-of-state. or if you are young and you decide to go for it here in florida. last year when other communities were defunding law enforcement, we did $1000 bonuses for every firefighter, emt, and sworn law enforcement in the entire state. i promised to do it again, but now i've had to think, i want to do it again, but with biden inflation, i have to give them $1100 to make good. so maybe we will end up doing $1100 instead of $1000. >> you had the opportunity to appoint five supreme court justice in florida. there is a president who will be appointing a replacement for justice stephen breyer. do you have any advice? gov. desantis: what i found out

is anything that i say or want, the white house will do the opposite, so i've obviously thought about, want to do this project in the everglades. may -- maybe i should hold a press conference saying i oppose this. one of the frustrating things about just watching the court in the modern era is, you will have in these high profile cases, those three liberal justices will vote the same every single time. justice ginsburg was on, it was four, and they voted the same every single time. there's no real diversity of thought. it's basically generating the type of outcomes that the liberal elites and the media and academia would want to see. i feel like on the conservative side, we don't have the same guarantees when some of these cases come down the pike. if it's based on legitimate disagreements, common sense

skill leah disagreed on anonymous speech. it's always our side for you will have somebody just not have the fortitude or the backbone to faithfully apply the law and constitution in situations in which it will not be popular with the elite rung of our society, where you will get smear by corporate media, where you will have law professor screeching and all this other stuff. some like justice thomas, scalia, they didn't give a dam what any of those people thought and i think they were better justices as a result. i think whoever he picks is likely to be part of a liberal block that is not going to be any different in terms of the outcomes than what we typically see. we have not had a democrat president appoint a justice who has moved at all right since john kennedy appointed byron white in 1962.

hopefully some gets on their who drifts the other way into more populist posture but i would bet three years from now whoever that person is, they're going to be on the 3 pretty much down the line. >> to that end, what do you look for in a judge? just saying i'm a member of the federalist society doesn't mean you will get that kind of justice you are looking for. gov. desantis: i know people join the federalist society thinking it will help them get to be a judge. too many people are joining it thinking that's a ticket to be able to be a judge. i don't care about it. and i think that you've seen judges that have been minted in the federal court, they will be real strong on administrative difference in some of those,

which are important issues, but when the rubber meets the road on some of these decisions where they are going to face blowback from some of the corridor as i mentioned, that they are not as comfortable in doing that. a lot of these are pretty cut and dried. if you look at -- the meaning just doesn't evolve, if you believe in that framework, a lot of these decisions you're really handcuffed and how much latitude you would have. the most important ingredient, if somebody has the fortitude -- they gave you life tenure because they didn't want you responding to the whims of society. you have some like the chief justice who views his job as to make the court not political,

and he tries to do that i being political, so he is not seen as doing a republican decision. whether it's the obamacare case, or some of the other things under the trump administration, and i just think that's a mistake. you need to have people who are willing to apply this without fear of favor and understand that if you are doing that consistently, you are going to be targeted by certain elements of our culture and our society. if you care with these people right or put on tv, then maybe you should be applying for a different job. i would not want anyone to not do what they think the law commands. we had examples over the last many decades where not every justice was willing to do that when the lights are really hot. >> we have the dobbs case

heading through the court right now, obviously that is mississippi which basically banned abortion before 15 weeks. ruth bader ginsburg called rowe a heavy-handed judicial intervention, difficult to justify, the substantive judgment it rest on is nowhere to be found. i wonder if the pressures of the moment will influence the court. gov. desantis: that's the million-dollar question. casey was even more in terms of a platonic idea, not tethered to the text, history, instructor of the constitution. that's kind of what they have. it's probably malleable to uphold mississippi.

this has not been a successful judicial effort. they have created whole bodies of law, that anything that touches abortion is almost viewed differently by the court. this is kind of the ultimate sacrament for the secular progressive left in this country. it into being something that they know they're going to face significant blowback for. so we will see what happens on it but clearly if you have a constitutionalist perspective, the proper understanding of the constitution would be that providing protections for life would be something, discussion for state legislatures at the state level. i think that's how the constitution was viewed for the

first 180 years of the country's existence. >> we are one of seven countries that allow selected abortion after 20 weeks. chief justice roberts noted the people's republic of china and north korea share our abortion law. gov. desantis: i think part of it is because of, this is an issue like 99.9% of the press are on the pro-abortion side, very few would be sympathetic to any type of protections for life. so i think the public gets a distorted position. they get a distorted view, the press will presented if roe and casey are overturned that means abortion is not allowed nationwide when really we kick it back to the states and some of the justices made those points in the dobbs oral argument.

it's an outlier based on far-flung interpretations of the test. >> you have to show actual malice to prove a libel case, is nearly impossible for a public figure to prove actual malice. gorsuch saying specifically large numbers of newspapers and periodicals have failed, network news has lost most of its viewers. do you think this is something that could be re-approached by the courts? gov. desantis: i think they will have to. it's a much different landscape. there are no prior restraint, no content based regulation. it's just private parties going in and basically vindicating

their private rights for false reporting that damages their character or damages the reputation. basically what that decision says is that media has a constitutional right to publish false information that is defamatory about people. unless you can prove this is a preordained thing. it's is difficult to prove. the result is that lawyers, if you are negligent, you can be sued. doctors can be held accountable. a truck driver. any area of life you can be subject to private litigation, except if you are negligent and you have a press badge or something. it was not something the founding fathers would have recognized. it was something we approached differently for 170 years. it clearly has not worked in the sense of most of what is reported is just terrible.

so much of it is based on anonymous sources, innuendo, all this other stuff. people have no confidence in anything they are reading or seeing anymore. they dealt with the russian conspiracy theory that they knew was fabricated. there were always anonymous sources. they made up a lot of these sources. i've had things said about me that i definitely did not say. they are fabricating it. it's just the reality. i don't trust anybody to shoot straight on that. nicholas san men, he got payments from some of these because he was libeled. if you publish something that is false and defamatory then you can be held accountable.

truth is a defense. if you just stick to the truth, then you don't got to worry. i think the founders would look at that in say of course you can have common law causes of action for that. i think thomas and gorsuch or inviting more cases to be brought. i think you are seeing courts apply it in ways that are more favorable to plaintiffs. >> during my time in the white house, the fact that the new york times was able to publish a story that there were russian bounties on the heads of american troops in afghanistan, and now we find out that was absolutely false. life at square was compared to tiananmen square in the inspector general came out and said, that didn't actually happen.

so the -- there needs to be accountability for sure. gov. desantis: it's one thing to be biased, to shade things in a way that will reflect a certain political perspective. it's another to be detached from truth and fact and to be purely indulged in manufacturing partisan narratives. the good thing is, there will be things that are totally false, but i could maybe do something under sullivan and bring a case. the problem is, i don't think i could show damages, because no one believes the media anyway. everybody knows it is false. >> two final questions, one on the issue of critical race theory. in december you announced a stop the wrongs to our kids and employees, the woke act. tell us about that and why it is

important. gov. desantis: we've banned critical race theory last year, it's inconsistent with florida standards. we are not spending taxpayer dollars to teach kids to hate each other or to hate this country. that's not happening in florida. we are going to be strong on that. incidentally, having k-12 standards, fund -- we list out certain things that have to be taught. civil war, slavery, civil rights movement, all of that has to be taught in florida, but to scapegoat people or try to categorize them on the basis of race is fundamentally wrong. i think it has been traumatic for a lot of kids. parents say they don't like the fact that their kids are being treated this way. we are providing more

enforcement for parents. parents should have the right to access the curriculum and know what is being taught in the schools and have the wherewithal to be able to seek compliance with state standards. we also want to defined the crt consultant at things like universities. these people are making a fortune. hire me to come tell you my capitalism is racist and pay me $100,000 and i will be happy to do that. we want to totally defund that. we also recognize that on the corporate side, you have some of this stuff being shoved down people's throat that raises questions about the florida civil rights statute. we don't want somebody to have to go through these types of things. you see the stuff get reported,

they don't want to talk about it but if you look at at&t and some of these companies, they will send this to some of these conservative activists and they will publish it. this stuff is totally outrageous. my goal would be, you think of the free state of florida, which is great. i also want florida to be known as the brick wall against all things woke up this is where woke goes to die. >> a quick follow up before our final question, what do you think when you look at democrats and their playbook seems to be, parents have no involvement in their kids education. we saw it happen in virginia. gov. desantis: they vacillate from saying crt is not taught in

schools to saying you are rich fruit -- restricting free speech. i think they are flailing around on it, because it is very, very unpopular. it's the same ideology that is causing places like new york to remove thomas jefferson statues, teddy roosevelt, abraham lincoln. san francisco takes george washington's name off schools and all these other things. it's the same impulse. they are trying to delegitimize the founding of this country and the foundational principles and the institutions in this country and basically refound our society in ways that are consistent with their leftist ideology. that would be totally disastrous for this country. our view is to speak the truth.

it is tough politically to try to tell parents that they are just imagining all this stuff. when parents come to us and say this is happening here or there, i don't think they are just making this up. to fight things like curriculum transparency and say parents should not be involved in what is taught in schools, i think most parents view it as a way for their kids to be able to learn the basics and be educated in normal ways. that is going to continue to be a battle but it's a battle that the democrats are going to be on the wrong side of. if you're on the wrong side in virginia, imagine what it is like for other states that are not is left of center as virginia.

now with these left-wing politicians in the union saying parent should not be involved, the whole nine yards, they have forfeited the idea that they care about education. most people typically thought democrats cared more about education over the years. the people trying to keep their kids out of school were democrats. the people that don't want them involved is what is being taught in the school are democrats. >> i've been public about my health journey with the genetic lite should that put me at an 84% chance of breast cancer, both my mom and i had preventative must ectomy's and were happy with those decisions, but it was so personal to me when i saw your beautiful, strong wife, she announced her cancer diagnosis in october.

she had her final chemo treatment, i saw on her twitter feed that she rang a bell that will remain in the governor's mansion. you're calling for a 60% increase in cancer research. what made you do that? gov. desantis: when this happened, first of all, she believed something was wrong, the doctor didn't exam and said she was fine. she just did not accept that, so she wanted a second opinion and she wanted to get the mammogram. unfortunately it came back positive. she looks as healthy as anybody. we have a five-year-old, a three-year-old, and a one-year-old, that is not the person you want to see go through that.

once we made it public, the outpouring of support that she received in the prayers have just been overwhelming. it absolutely has lifted her spirits. she got through the chemo better as a result of it. she is not done, but i think her persistence in just saying i'm not taking no for an answer, what happened in the process was, you see just how many people this has touched. this is something that touches pretty much every aspect of our society. people come up to me, i beat it, she can do it, my mother, my sister, whatever. we saw how significant it was in real time and we want to do whatever we can in florida to be

ahead of the curve. fortunately the type of cancer she has, they really do a good job of treating it with these therapies. there may not be -- you can't feel it anymore, which is good. clearly it is had some positive effect. i feel like 50 years ago we may not have been so fortunate. she wants to be an advocate for people. i know she has served -- she will continue to go out and do things for the state. i said in our state of the state a couple of weeks ago, we mention what we want to do at the state level to help other people under similar circumstances but we are looking forward to 2022 being the year where we can announce that she will actually be cancer free, so that is what we are looking for.

[applause] >> my whole family will continue to pray for your family. i now know why i suspected, while we have all those great out-of-state license plates, is because we have a great governor. [applause] gov. desantis: thank you. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2022] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] >> c-span is your unfiltered view of government. provided by these television companies and more, including buckeye broadband.

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