tv U.S. House of Representatives Federal Red Flag Law Debate CSPAN June 9, 2022 1:55pm-3:17pm EDT
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the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. nadler: madam speaker, i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. nadler: madam speaker, over the past several weeks we have watched in horror as gun violence has touched communities across the country and dozens of people, young and old, have lost their lives. the details of each case may differ. each tragic in its own way, but there's one theme that comes up most often. someone deeply troubled, experiencing some sort of crisis, had easy access to firearms. and all too often, the warning signs were clear but nothing was done to keep guns out of the hands -- out of their hands before it was too late. h.r. 2377, the federal extreme risk protection order act, provides sensible means by which one that's exhibiting dangerous behavior can be prevented from possessing or purchasing firearms before tragedy strikes. this legislation, introduced by
representative lucy mcbath, authorizes federal courts to offer an extreme risk protection order, or erpo, temporarily removing firearms from a person in crisis and prevent them from purchasing firearms. this only occurs after the court determines there is evidence demonstrating the person poses an imminent danger of injuring himself, herself, or others. the bill also includes legislation by representative carbajal which provides funding to states to enact erpo statutes of their own. we know extreme risk laws save lives. we have witnessed their effectiveness in state after state, beginning in 2016 when california passed the first such law. since then, 18 other states and the district of columbia have enacted similar laws. in the analysis of the first three years of california's ext extreme law, found they were used for 58 mass shooting threats, including six in which a minor threatened to target a
school. these orders were also used in response to 82 threats of suicide, and they worked. no suicides occurred among individuals who were subject to the orders. federal courts have long been bastions of due process and accordingly, this legislation krus strong due process provisions that strike the appropriate balance between protecting the rights of the gun owner and ensuring communities safety. every court that's reviewed laws similar to this bill has found the procedural safeguards are sufficient. as then seventh circuit judge amy comey barrett wrote, history is consistent with common sense. it demonstrates that legislatures have the power to prohibit dangerous people from possessing guns. madam speaker, the constitution does not require us to wait until lives are lost. as we address the scourge of gun violence, a blight that killed 45,000 americans in 2020 alone, let us remember that there are
no perfect solutions. we are painfully aware that we cannot do enough to save every life and there is no one answer that will solve this problem. but we do know that taking guns out of the hands of people that pose a danger to themselves or others would save countless lives. this legislation would take meaningful steps to prevent gun violence tragedies in our communities while at the same time protecting the due process rights of those individuals in crisis. i want to thank representatives mcbath and carbajal for their leadership on this issue. i urge all members to support the bill, and i reserve the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from ohio is recognized. mr. jordan: thank you, madam speaker. i would yield three minutes to my friend and -- the gentleman from louisiana, mr. johnson. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from louisiana is recognized. mr. johnson: thank you, mr. jordan, for yielding. you know, we heard some revealing things this week. it was just a few moments ago our colleague from tennessee, mr. cohen, lectured us that the old testament doesn't mention
the word guns and so we shouldn't claim this is a fundamental freedom. you know, as usual, he misunderstands the point of scripture and the constitution. here's the thing. as americans, we respect and we protect the inalienable god-given right to self-protection and to the protection of innocent lives around us. president biden said among other outrageous things this week. president biden said he wanted to ban .09 millimeter handguns. mr. cicilline of rhode island now infamously in our committee hearing exclaimed, quote, spare me the b.s. -- that's not what he said -- spare me the b.s. about constitutional rights. it's pretty revealing. mr. jones in the same hearing just a few moments later, he said if democrats don't get their way on their gun control wish list they will abolish the filibuster and pack the supreme court. they're saying the quiet parts out loud. that wish list they have includes taking away guns from
americans without the constitutionally required due process of law which is exactly what this bill would do. it would allow the courts to take guns away from people without notice and without even the right to appear in the hearing to defend themselves in court. now, the other side is going to tell you and you'll hear in the argument here. hey, there is due process. don't worry about it, they'll say, because people subjected to this process, they can just go to court and petition to get their firearms back. but i'll let my colleagues in on something that every first year law student learns. due process after the fact is no due process at all. now, the other side's also going to argue here -- get ready for it. they're going to claim they came up with a reasonable compromise by just making these gun confiscation orders temporary. they'll say it will only last 14 days. they won't tell you these orders can be renewed indefinitely. my democrat colleagues are going to tell you this bill will save lives. but if you look at the objective
studies, the comprehensive studies on this you'll find the red flag laws in all these states have had no significant effects on the rates of murder, suicide, or the number of people killed in mass public shootings. if this bill passes, people may have their information added to the national crime database even though they committed no crime. in what version of america do we think that's ok? the democrats claim republicans don't care about gun violence but while they may repeat this over and over and over, it doesn't make it any more true. if you look at the record, house republicans have worked tirelessly to combat gun violence by enacting meaningful laws to put more resources into mental health and fund grants for law enforcement. the other side, meanwhile, is actively tried to defund police. just last week, they voted against giving money to schools to enhance security. democrats refused to work with us on legislation that would actually do something, that would actually reduce the rate of gun violence in this country. 30 more seconds. thank you. and instead, they are taking
advantage of tragedies. that's what they're doing. they're taking advantage of tragedies to promote their agenda to destroy our constitutional rights and it's shameful. i'll tell you this, when republicans take back the majority next year, we'll work to begin to address the root causes of the hmayhem in our country. that time can't come soon enough. thank you for the time and i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: does the gentleman reserve? mr. jordan: reserve. the speaker pro tempore: does the gentleman from ohio reserve? mr. jordan: yes. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from new york is recognized. mr. nadler: madam speaker, i now yield five minutes to the sponsor of the bill, the gentlelady from georgia, mrs. mcbath. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady from georgia is recognized for five minutes. mrs. mcbath: thank you, madam speaker. i rise today in support of my bill, the federal extreme risk
protection order act, a bill that would empower loved ones and law enforcement to help prevent mass shootings before they happen. every family and every community in our nation deserves access to these life-saving measures. no child, no parent deserves to live in fear of gun violence. and we are paying for it. we're paying for this gun violence every single day, day after day, hour after hour, we're paying for the weapons of war on our streets with the blood of our children in our schools. we are paying for the unfetterred access with mothers and fathers waiting in line for a d.n.a. test, forced to find out if it's their child that's riddled with bullets and maimed beyond recognition. if it's their child whose blood now blankets the floor of the
classroom where they should be learning math and science and english. we are paying for this deadly gun culture with the lives of american people, with the lives of those that we in this body took an oath to protect. the american people are absolutely exhausted. we cannot continue to be the only country in the world where we let gun violence happen again and again and again. an entire generation is growing up learning that the adults that they look up to cannot or rather not choose to protect them. now, we all agree that this status quo is unacceptable. we all understand that the murder of our children cannot continue. we need policies that will give
our law enforcement the tools that they need, the tools they have asked for to help keep guns out of the hands of those who are a danger to themselves or to others. how many more victims are we going to memorialize? what rights do our children have as they grow in our lives and in our hearts? parents across the country in every state, in every community know the fear that accompanies the love that we have for our children. it is a primal fear, a helpless fear, a love so deep that we worry and wonder every day, where is my child? are they safe? are they going to make it home today? don't our parents have the right to send their kids off to school without the fear of them not
coming home? don't our children have the right to live free from the trauma that only stepping over a friend covered in blood could ever bring? how many more parents must receive the phone call that i did when i was told that my son was murdered, the phone call that confirms my fear that my child is dead and that i was unable to protect him, the phone call that leads you to cry out to god in your grief? was my child afraid? did he feel pain as the bullets ripped through his skin? did he know he was loved more than he could ever imagine? we can do better than this. we must be better than this. we cannot be the only nation in the world where our children are torn apart on tuesday and their deaths are gone from the news cycle by wednesday.
that's why in the decades since my son was taken from me by a man with a gun simply for playing loud music in his car that i made a promise to jordan and to my community and to the american people, a promise i'll continue to fight this battle for the rest of my life, the fight to make sure that not one more parent is forced to join this ever-growing club, the club that no mother or no father ever wants to be a part of. i promise i would take all of the devotion as a mother that i have for my child, all the love that i poured out of my soul into my child that i would do everything in my power to keep jordan's community safe. yes. you, my community. that the time would come where we would be able to make a difference in the lives of our
children and our children's children. and this is that time. this is that moment. we are facing the challenge of our lifetime and -- mr. nadler: i yield the gentlelady an extra 30 seconds. mrs. mcbath: this is that time. this is that moment we are facing the challenge of our lifetime. this is the issue of our era, and today, we must vote with the majority of the american people that agree with us. we vote to provide law enforcement and family members the tools that they need to prevent these mass shootings. we vote to save lives. we vote to do what is right. we vote to stop the uniquely american horror that is ripping our families apart. . god bless us. and i ask god to cover us in doing the right thing. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from ohio is recognized. mr. jordan: madam speaker, i recognize the -- yield two
minutes to the gentlelady from arizona, mrs. lesko. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady from arizona is recognized for two minutes. mrs. lesko: thank you, representative jordan. i rise in opposition to h.r. 2377. i have five grandchildren. i would do anything, anything to protect my five grandchildren, including as a last resort shooting them if i had to to protect the lives of my grandchildren. democrat bills that we have heard this week want to take away my right, my right to protect my grandchildren. they want to take away the rights of law-abiding citizens to protect their own children and grandchildren. and wives and brothers and sisters. this bill takes away due process from law-abiding citizens. can you imagine if you had a disgruntled ex or somebody who
hates you because of your political views and they go to a judge and say, oh, this person is dangerous. and that judge would take away your guns, lean on the side of conservatism. take away the guns. without that person even having knowledge that there was a court hearing that would take away their guns. this is wrong. when republicans were in the majority we actually passed legislation that was signed into law that would have prevented mass shootings. these bills will not. we need to join together, republicans and democrats, i hope they can do it in the senate, and get something done that actually saves children's lives. and with that i yield back. mr. jordan: reserve. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from new york is recognized. mr. nadler: madam speaker, i ask unanimous consent to insert into
the record a june 7, 2022 "washington post" article entitled no red flag laws don't violate due process rights. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. nadler: madam speaker, i want to excoriate as absolute nonsense, pernicious nonsense what we just heard from mr. johnson, mrs. lesko, and i presume what we'll hear on the rest of this bill. red flag laws are in effect in 18 states and the district of columbia. every court that has considered them as found them constitutional. every court has said that they meet the requirements of procedural due process. every single court. i now yield one minute to the speaker of the house, miss pelosi -- ms. pelosi. the speaker pro tempore: the speaker of the house is recognized for one minute. the speaker: i thank the gentleman for yielding and bringing his superior knowledge of our constitution and the law of the land to bear in this important, important debate for
the children. yesterday as we had the debate on so many other pieces of legislation, which passed with bipartisan support, we said it was of the children, by the children, and for the children. of them because they are suffering. by them because they are testifying in the congress of the united states. apparently to no avail to some in the congress. but making an emotional appeal to the facts of their case to the american people. and again all of it for the children. protecting our kids. thank you, mr. chairman, for bringing that to the floor. the legislation passed yesterday had strong steps to save lives, whether it was raising the age to purchase weapons of war, to outlong bump stocks and high capacity magazines, designed for mass murder. to cracking down on gun trafficking and ghost guns and strengthening safe storage requirements to name just a few.
today the house builds on this progress by passing our federal extreme risk order of -- protections order act, another lifesaving measure aimed at preventing, preventing the next tragic shooting before it is too late. too often what we know is that those who pose a risk of violence show early warning signs a. menacing message online, a troubled message to a loved one. yet in too many communities across the country, concerned family members, friends, and law enforcement have no legal pathway to get deadly weapons out of the hands of these troubled individuals. under the leadership of congresswoman lucy mcbath, the house will pass an empowering family bill, empowering family members and law enforcement to seek a federal court order to temporarily remove access to a gun from individuals who pose a threat to themselves and to
others. thanks to leadership of congressman carbajal, this will include incentives to encourage more states to adopt extreme risk protection order laws of their own. the incentives exist in many states but not all. doing so will not only protect from mass shootings but also from the quiet daily massacre by suicide and gun crimes. these so-called red flag laws by some are saving lives in the 19 states and as was mentioned the district of columbia where they had been enacted. the statistics show that. and the american people are overwhelmingly for this lifesaving measure. recent polling show eight in 10 americans support it. madam speaker, as you know you have experienced in your state gun violence in our nation has
reached a fever peach in recent weeks. people keep saying again and again and again we have gone haven't. i would say it's not again and again and again. it's always. it's not one after another. it's ongoing. whether it's mass murders that are high profile or every night in cities across -- places across our country. sadly too many members think in the wake of gun violence a moment of silence is sufficient. a moment of silence. as mr. higgins said following the buffalo massacre, we have a moment of silence then we must have action. and then we must have action. today all members have a chance to take action. to vote for another strong step giving our communities a chance to prevent the next massacre. indeed, as you know, it could be
a family tragedy. it's personal as well as community protection. indeed, if you knew -- if you knew where and when the next gun incident would be, how could you oppose having the tools to possibly stop it? if you knew that children could possibly be exposed because of the action of someone practically a child themselves still a teen ager having access to a weapon of war. why wouldn't you want to take action to stop it? i urge all of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to join us in a strong bipartisan aye vote for this legislation. and states across the country this is not partisan at all. let's hope that it would not be in the house of representatives. at the same time we remain very, very prayerful and hopeful that
the senate will soon reach bipartisan agreement so that we'll move a step closer to freeing our children from the horrors of gun violence once and for all. our children, whether it's violence to them or violence to their parents and family mem members, for the children, of the children, by the children that's our mission. i urge an aye vote and yield back the balance of my time. thank you. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman yields. the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from ohio is recognized. mr. jordan: madam speaker, i yield a minute and a half to the gentleman from virginia, mr. good. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from virginia is recognized for a minute and a half. mr. good: thank you, madam speaker. one of the most fundamental god-given rights that we possess, which is uniquely protected in our american constitution, is the right to keep and bear arms for self-defense and to ensure that we remain a free people. we have seen under this administration supported by the
democrat majority in this congress an unprecedented trampling on the basic rights of american citizens over the past two years. our most precious freedoms to assemble together, to go where you want, to worship as you choose, to earn a living or operate your business, to keep your job, or your employees what you have to wear on your face, and whether or not you are required to receive a vaccine that you may not want or may not need all trampled upon by democrats in power. democrats simply do not believe in an invailennable right of american citizens to life, whribert, and the pursuit of happy -- liberty, and the pursuit of heaps. they believe the rights come from government and they have the right to take them away. the guarantee provided by our founders to ensure we remain free from foreign invasion and, yes, as our founders clearly warned us from an oppressive government like we see in canada, australia, and the democrats' beloved communist china is the constitutional right of law-abiding citizens to
be armed as they choose. over and over the founders affirmed and reiterated that congress has no power, no power to limit the right of lawful citizens to arm themselves. but h.r. 2377 would create a nationwide system of red flag laws. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. mr. good: which is required -- the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman reserves. the gentlewoman from georgia is recognized. mrs. mcbath: thank you, madam speaker. at this time i would like to yield three minutes to representative carbajal. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california is recognized for three minutes. mr. carbajal: thank you, representative mcbath. madam speaker, eight years ago my own community of ilya visa near u.c. santa basha saw firsthand the horror and trauma that a mass shooting brings.
and in eight years since that attack we stood in solidarity with other communities, reeling from the hundreds of mass shootings in our schools, our shopping malls, our houses of worship, and our main streets. madam speaker, i share the outrage and frustration of the majority of americans and many of my colleagues here in congress that there are some in congress who have kept us from doing our job, from protecting children by blocking commonsense gun safety measures. but i stand before you today as the author of a gun safety measure that has enjoyed bipartisan support. that has been implemented in republican and democratic-led states alike. and has been proven to reduce gun deaths and stop mass shootings before they happen.
i'm speaking about extreme risk protection orders, or as they are more commonly known, red flag laws. these laws are simple. if an individual is showing signs that they may be of danger to themselves or others, a police officer or family member can, through due process, go to a judge and request an extreme risk protection order which temporarily bars that person from owning or purchasing a firearm. these laws are already on the books in 19 states and in the district of columbia, and in those places they have saved lives. as part of the reason these laws work is because warning signs of mass shootings are not as rare as you might think. in fact, a u.s. study of school violence found that the majority of incidents come with clear warning signs. which we have seen before some of our most infamous school
shootings, columbine, sandy hook, parkland, and even uvalde. that's why in the wake of these tragedies republican and democratic-led states have approved red flag laws that have gone on to intervene in thousands of potentially violent attacks before they happen. florida residents, for example, have used theirs more than 8,000 times since they implemented the red flag law after the parkland shooting. california implemented the red flag law after the ucsb ilya visa attack in my community. and the police officers have used it to prevent unanimous russ workplace attacks and other violent incidents. these red flag laws are also critical to reducing the largest form of gun deaths in our country. suicide by firearms. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired.
mrs. mcbath: 30 more seconds. mr. car balance hal -- mr. carbajal: as someone who lost a sibling by a gun, i'm proud to stand in mer memory, carmen, to see my bill come to a vote. this measure is popular, bipartisan, and common sense. that may be why republican starts have introduced similar legislation in the past to incentivize states to expand red flag laws and support states that already have them. there is no bill that we can pass that would be the panacea to solve our issues overnight. with this bill we can make a major difference. we need to do this now. thank you very much. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from ohio. mr. jordan: madam speaker, we yield two minutes to the gentleman from california, mr. mcclintock. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california is
recognized for two minutes. mr. mcclintock: thank you, madam speaker. alexa said the defining trade of socialism is, quote, a profound on simple to personal liberty and scorn for individual reason. a complete contempt for the individual. socialists are hostile to our bill of rights, specifically, because it protects the individual against the state by guaranteeing our most fundamental rights, the means to defend them, and the guarantee that we can't be deprived of them except through due process of law. you have a right to have your day in court, to face your accuser, to present evidence on your behalf, to contest the charges brought against you. now, if someone is a judge to be dangerously ill, of course, they should not have access to firearms or to any other weapons. they shouldn't be on the street where they can do harm at all. they should be confined during the course of their illness so they can be treated and not
endanger themselves or others. we already have commitment procedures that address this in concert with our constitution. in that process, you appear before a judge, you get to know the charges, you can face your accuser, you can plead your case, and you can present evidence on your own behalf in open court. but not under this bill. under this bill, an anonymous accuser, including a legitimatelied date or ex-roommate -- jilted date or ex-roommate can do this. and the burden, then, falls on you to try and restore your innocence. then, it won't stop here. the left's already branded speech they disagree with as dangerous. but they are right about one thing. this is an extreme risk bill. it's an extreme risk to our most fundamental individual rights as americans. mr. jordan: reserve.
the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from new york is recognized. mr. nadler: republican speakers obviously have more regard for their politics and for the national rifle association than they do for the lives of our children. we see that every moment here when they keep repeating -- when they keep repeating the words that this is unconstitutional when courts in 18 states and the district of columbia have found them constitutional and supreme court justice amy comey barrett, when on the seventh circuit, said history is consistent with common sense that demonstrates that legislatures have the power to prohibit people from possessing dangerous guns. i don't think we should hear lectures on we don't -- on democrats don't care about due process. we do. we also care about children's lives. madam speaker, i now yield two minutes to the gentleman from rhode island, a member of the judiciary committee, mr. cicilline. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from rhode island is recognized for two minutes.
mr. cicilline: madam speaker, i rise today in strong support of the federal extreme risk protection order act. before the church shooting, before uvalde and el paso and parkland shootings and so many others, shooters show warning signs or even flat out said what they were going to do. before many die by suicide by gun, they show warning signs they may be a danger for themselves. there's often evidence that something terrible is going to happen. we know it. we can even articulate it, but we're powerless to stop it. this bill remedies this situation. this would prevent individuals who pose an imminent threat to themselves or others from accessing firearms by allowing law enforcement and family members to file a court petition in federal court to temporarily, temporarily block dangerous individuals access to guns. and despite the claim this bill invades due process rights, this is absolutely false. it's a thinly veiled attempt to
prevent any and all regulations of firearms in this country. as the chairman said, it's been found constitutional. there's a hearing with a judge, witnesses, testimony under oath, affidavits. happens all the time in domestic violence cases. this can be taken away temporarily after a judge who determines that it's necessary to do so for the safety of the gun owner or community. this bill is so common sense. it's historically been bipartisan. the former republican president supported it. introduced by senator lindsey graham in the senate. so i want to thank congresswoman mcbath. you know, our republican colleagues this morning have been talking about their passion for the second amendment. their devotion to the right to bear arms. if only, if only for a moment they show the same devotion, the same commitment to preserving the life of young people, the right to live a life free from gun violence, to be able to go to a movie theater or church or synagogue and not worry about their life and their liberty because they're gunned down by
someone that shouldn't have a firearm, this is absolutely the most commonsense proposal that will come before congress on guns. keep them out of the hands of people that are dangerous to themselves. for god's sake, vote for this bill. i yield back. mr. nadler: reserve. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from ohio is recognized. mr. jordan: madam speaker, i yield two minutes to the gentleman from florida, mr. gaetz. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from florida is recognized for two minutes. mr. gaetz: if house democrats were so worried about violence, they wouldn't open the borders, open the prisons, and then disarm law-abiding americans who want to protect themselves and their families. chairman nadler says republicans don't -- shouldn't lecture about constitutional rights, but it was the last democrat speaker, mr. cicilline, who in the house judiciary committee said, spare me the bullshit about people's constitutional rights. so pardus for standing up for the constitution and the very due process that ensures that we're able to have a civil functioning society in this
country. speaker pelosi asks the question -- well, if you knew when the next act of violence would be, why wouldn't you want to stop it? what is this, the united states congress or the plot for the movie "minority report"? the best you could ever hope to have in terms of warning is what we had in the parkland case where a neighbor saw nicholas cruz prepare for a school shooting, called the f.b.i. and because they were so focused on the bureaucracy didn't take action. that's why i don't want to federalize the regular police. the more the f.b.i. was involved, the more they botched the case and maybe there were people dead who didn't need to be. these red flag laws violate our second amendment rights, our fifth amendment rights. and when they are done at the national level, they violate our 10th amendment rights. it is crazy we are considering legislation to bribe the states to take rights away from our fellow americans. and it's nuts that republicans in the senate, the very
republicans who say they're the classic liberty minded conservatives. they're not working with democrats on this very endeavor to federalize the school police and to engage in this bribery for the sake of deprivation of rights. it's no victory, as mr. carbajal said, that in my beloved florida we used red flag laws 8,000 times. there weren't 8,000 school shooters we stopped. probably not even 8,000 criminals. what we do see is that these red flag laws are used in divorce proceedings. they are used in every type of dispute. we'll stand up for the rights. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. members are reminded not to use profanity on the floor of the house of representatives. mr. jordan: reserve. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. mr. nadler: madam speaker, i now yield two minutes to the distinguished gentleman from tennessee, a member of the judiciary committee, mr. cohen.
the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from tennessee is recognized for two minutes. mr. cohen: thank you, madam speaker. thank you, mr. chair. since the massacre in newtown, connecticut, about 10 years ago, we have not enacted any substantive firearm restrictions to prevent children from being slaughtered in our schools. and not since sandy hook but in the 20 years since the shooting at columbine we have not enacted any new meaningless restrictions on firearms. -- meaningful restrictions on firearms. we have a responsibility to keep the american people safe. after each of these instances, we hear from our friends across the aisle we must address mental health. i agree. but we must prevent those who are intent on harming themselves or others from having access to dangerous weapons and carrying out their intent. that's why i support this thoughtful proposal, balancing public safety and the individual's right to due process. let's just take the massacre in uvalde. should there have been a law in place in texas, a red flag law, perhaps the gunman could have been stopped. there were plenty of warning
signs including pictures of a cat he had killed and his frequent online threat to teen girls. as chairman of the constitutional subcommittee, i take due process clause seriously. in this legislation, a court would need to make a determination, looking at specific facts before issuing a order. a full hearing is required within 72 hours where the party can have personal attendance and object. this legislation is absolutely necessary, and i urge all my colleagues to support it. we have a moral obligation to act. yesterday's body with a bipartisan vote adopted the protecting our kids act, which would make meaningful updates to our nation's gun laws. we must go further, i believe, and enact assault weapons bans. these bills would make a meaningful difference in the united states. god would not look kindly upon the use of weapons to kill his children as happened in uvalde, texas. our votes are not political calculations. they are obligations. we have a duty to protect god's children. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields.
the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from ohio is recognized. mr. jordan: madam speaker, we yield a minute and a half to the gentlelady from michigan, mrs. mcclain. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman is recognized for a minute and a half. mrs. mcclain: thank you, madam speaker. i think what we need, again, is a little truth, transparency, and consistency. and i'll share as a mother of four. i resent the fact that you tell me that i don't care about children. in fact, when you have soft on crime policies, i need my second amendment right to protect my own children because the soft on crime policies don't help. during these debates, these unconstitutional, unconstitutional -- you know, the thing we all took an oath to uphold -- the democrats have been making the claim, well, if you can't buy alcohol or cigarettes, you shouldn't be able to buy an ar-15. all right. let's stick with that concept. here's a concept. apply it throughout every form. but let's talk about a couple of
things that the democrats are -- feel you are mature enough to do under the age of 18. so because once again, their standards clearly aren't consistent. what a concept to be consistent. democrats believe that under the age of 18 you should be able to get an abortion under 18. you know what, while you're at it, don't even talk to your parents about it. under the age of 18, democrats think you should be able to change your sex without notifying parents. at 18, you can vote. at 18 you can join the military and lay your life on the line for this country. and i bet they think that the 18-year-old buffalo shooter is actually mature enough to be charged as an adult, right? the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman's time has expired. mrs. mcclain: let's have some consistency before we -- mr. jordan: good job. i reserve.
the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from new york is recognized. mr. nadler: madam speaker, i now yield one minute to a member of the judiciary, the distinguished gentlelady from pennsylvania, ms. dean. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman from pennsylvania is recognized for one minute. ms. dean: thank you, madam speaker. madam speaker, do we not hear the cries of the fourth grader in uvalde who said, all of my friends are dead? would you like to do something about gun slaughter in this country, then join us. one commonsense way we can do this is by passing my friend and colleague, congresswoman mcbath's extreme risk protection order. we know the attacker expressed interest in harming others. there was a cry for help, a warning. someone knew that violence could erupt. someone had the ability to intervene. we have a sponlt to intervene -- responsibility to intervene.
rep mcbath's bill would do that, intervene when someone is a risk to themselves or others. we do not have to live this way, fearful for our children at school, at movies, the grocery store, or the t.l.a. on south street in philadelphia. we do not have to live this way and we don't want to. 79% of americans support red flag laws. 67% of gun owners. stop sentencing our children to all of their -- the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman's time has expired. ms. dean: i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from ohio is recognized. mr. jordan: madam speaker, we yield two minutes to the gentleman from ohio, mr. wenstrup. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from ohio is recognized for two minutes. mr. wenstrup: next week will mark the five years since the fateful morning on the baseball field where 136 rounds were fired in an attack on republicans. only by the grace of god were 20
or more of my republican colleagues and staff not killed by a crazed terrorist wielding guns on that baseball field. so this is not a theoretical exercise for many of us on this side of the aisle. i say this not to take away from the tragedies that any one of us has experienced but to highlight the good people on both sides of this issue can bring our personal experiences to the debate and may see things differently while both condemning violence and wanting to act. when i reflect on that day, it's not about the weapon. it's about the person, the evil person that is on the other side of that weapon. . two capitol police under cover. they were only there because steve scalise was there and they got hit. otherwise that terrorist could easily assassinated 20 to 30 members of congress and staff. clearly there are people i don't want to have a gun in their hands. but we can't ignore the hate, the evil that is gripping too many in our country today.
we have laws against murder, yet we see murder. if my little daughter hits her big brother, i want to know why. i don't blame the stick in her hand. as a physician, commonsense tells me that if we don't look at the events in someone's life that lead to the thoughts and the feelings that then lead to this horrific murderous behavior, then we are doing our society a grave injustice. and that's what's happening. we have seen this movie before. do these laws change the disturbing trends we are seeing? previous bans have made no difference. it's been proven. many of our communities have gun laws and have even more homicides than ever. we as americans need to do some serious soul-searching about ourselves because something serious has changed in our society over the last several decades. is the absence of god? we had a school, public school in my district -- the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. mr. wenstrup: 30 seconds.
the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. wenstrup: school in die terrorist trict by the courts in the left and courts to take down thou shalt not kill from the school. is it the breakdown of the family, implosion of the village, or destruction of our mental health system which unfortunately turned everyone on to the streets instead of reforming our institutions. it could be all these things and many more, until america is willing to take a long hard look at ourselves and heal what truly ails us, i fear we are simply doomed to repeat what we have done in the past. we are doing here today. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields. the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from new york is recognized. million nadler: i now yield two minutes to the -- mr. nadler: i now yield two minutes to the distinguished gentleman from california, mr. thompson. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from california is recognized for two minutes. mr. thompson: i thank the gentleman for yielding. madam speaker, i rise in strong support of this legislation. and thank congresswoman mcbath
and congressman carbajal for the great work that they have done to put this together. red fl flag laws are supported a majority of americans and nearly 70% of gun owners. red flag laws provide an opportunity for an intervention if someone demonstrates that they are a danger to themselves or others. california's red flag laws have been used 21 times to prevent mass shootings. the bill we are considering today was originally authored by senator lindsey graham, a republican, and is very similar to the florida red flag bill that was signed by then governor rick scott. also a republican. and today a u.s. senator. neither of those two have ever been accused of being anti-gun or anti-constitution. we know red flag laws save lives and we know the issues raised by the other side of the aisle are a stretch at best. if someone files a false complaint, they are subject to a
$5,000 fine and five years in jail. this bill will save lives and i urge you to vote yes. the only real question is how much more blood shed is needed to spur us to do the right thing and help us keep our kids and/or communities safe -- and our communities safe. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields. the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from ohio is recognized. mr. jordan: madam speaker, yield two minutes to the gentleman from ohio, mr. davidson. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from ohio is recognized for two minutes. mr. davidson: thank you, madam speaker. from the debate and from the whole premise of this red flag law proposal you would think that there was no such way to deal with this problem in america. it's been pointed out that 19 states have red flag laws already. but there are 50 states that already have a way to have someone adjudicated mentally dangerous. every single state, the premise that we can identify somebody who might pose a risk to themselves or others is the
whole premise why red flag laws might work. that's the same premise that allows baker acts to work in every single state and washington, d.c. the difference is that the person charged, the person accused of being this mentally incompetent, mentally dangerous person has the right to confront their accuser. that's what they are trying to undo. it already exists in law. everyone knows, everyone knows that we cannot accept our children being murdered. we can't accept our communities being destroyed and gutted not just by violence, by increasing violence, by increasing acts of despair not just shootings but suicides and the number one cause of death for 18 to 45-year-olds, fatal overdoses. there is something going on wrong. it's not the guns. it's the culture. and the evildoer, when do we stop blaming the evildoer, the
doer of evil deeds? if you could identify who that doer of evil deeds might be, wouldn't you want to take them away from the weapons instead of taking the weapons away from them? if you don't take the person away, they can get other guns. they might even get a car and drive through a parade. let's keep our communities safe. let's keep our kids safe. let's focus on the real problem. and not just run the same play over and over again. the democrats have a preconceived solution. every emergency. it's shameful to watch this exploitation of violence to achieve a democrat long-standing objective to undermine our second amendment. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from new york is recognized. mr. nadler: madam speaker, i now yield one minute to the distinguished gentleman from virginia, mr. beyer. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from virginia is recognized for one minute. mr. beyer: thank you, madam speaker, thank you, chairman.
madam speaker, i rise to express my strong support for h.r. 2377, the federal extreme risk protection order act. included in this legislation of the extreme risk protection order act which i have been proud to co-lead for many years with my friend and colleague congressman carbajal. april 15, april 16, 2007, 15 years ago, 32 virginia tech students in my home in the commonwealth were killed by a young man who was well-known to the community to have paranoid schizophrenia, he had been hospitalized, picked up by the police, banned from classes. every reason in the world for him to be on the background checklist. yet he was able to buy the weapons legally that killed those 32 kids. in 2014 i had a long conversation with a friend who was deeply depressed. he was having trouble getting out of bed, trouble finding a psychiatrist to treat him. i made some calls and didn't do anything but worery. and was stunned when he got out of bed to go buy a gun and kill himself. i to this day i so regret thatdy not call his wife. we went together to the court to
get him on the background checklist. we have all lost too many friends. we all are grief struck by the massacre of children. red flag laws may not protect everyone but it will save many lives and it's a start. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the the gentleman from ohio is recognized. mr. jordan: thank you, madam speaker. i yield two minutes to the gentleman from arizona, mr. biggs. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from arizona is recognized for two minutes. mr. biggs: you ever wonder how many of our colleagues on the democrat aisle receive bloomberg money to advocate for taking away american's second amendment rights? i do. we are about the n.r.a. sure don't want to confess the bloomberg known donation us receive as you emasculate america's rights. we hear about your polling. but you know what? six in 10 americans, including almost half of democrats, support armed officers and leaders at schools to protect their children. democrats oppose that. we hear about due process.
due process doesn't mean you have an ex parte hearing by an undisclosed informant who comes in and says look, we think this person is a danger to themselves or others when the person, the undisclosed informant has a grudge or some -- an ax to grind. that's why you have 8,000 of those in florida. due process doesn't mean we take away your rights and then you get to petition to have those rights reinstated. no. this bill is designed specifically to get around the laws that are present in 50 states that do address due process and do address people who are a danger to themselves and society. this bill is ri ripe for abuse. some states have enacted similar laws. in connecticut, nearly a third
of all ex parte orders are overturned once a judge hears both sides of the story. why is that? you have already taken away their rights. but almost a third of them are overturned. in a markup last week there was confusion as to what due process means. it does not mean you did deprive an individual of their rights first and then later let them have a hearing to reinstate those rights. that's what this bill does. depp pa vaition first -- depravation first, a hearing later. i urge you to vote no. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from new york is recognized. mr. nadler: madam speaker, i now yield one minute to the gentleman from -- distinguished gentleman from texas, mr. green. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas is recognized for one minute. mr. green: thank you, madam speaker. madam speaker, and still i rise.
i rise today to address the indication that what we democrats are doing is meaningless. meaningless to ban bump stocks. well, tell that to the 60 people who were murdered at the mandalay hotel where a gunman fired more than 1,000 rounds in short order. meaningless to raise the age to 21 to purchase an assault weapon. explain that to the ghosts of the 10 people who were killed at tops grocery store. make it clear to those 19 babies who were murdered at an elementary school in texas. meaningless? tell that to the lives of those that have been lost. no, it's not meaningless. and what we are doing right now, my dear friends, is more than common sense. it's just good sense to prevent
people from killing other people. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from ohio is recognized. mr. jordan: i yield one minute to the gentlelady from georgia, mrs. greene. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady from georgia is recognized for one minute. mrs. greene: thank you. we don't agree on much these days here in congress, but i know there is one thing we all agree on. we all agree that we really like guns. see, we are the special privileged elites. we are the ones in this chamber being protected by guns while the american people don't have men and women with guns outside their homes. of course not at any gun-free school zone they are not protected, nor at work. but here congress, the same congress that's voting to send just millions and millions of dollars worth of guns to ukraine so that they can defend themself is the same congress working as hard as possible to take away the second amendment rights from
americans. you see, our job here is to protect rights like due process and the second amendment rights of americans. not strip them away. red flag gun laws violate americans' due process rights and this is the type of thing that we shouldn't be passing in this congress, especially while we enjoy the very privileged elite, special protection of guns. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from new york is recognized. mr. nadler: madam speaker, how much time does each side have, please? the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from new york has 6 1/2 minutes. the gentleman from ohio has 11 minutes. mr. nadler: thank you. madam speaker, i now yield one minute to the distinguished gentlelady from michigan, mrs. lawrence. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman from michigan is recognized for one minute. mrs. lawrence: thank you, madam speaker. i rise today to make an urgent plea for action. how can we listen to an 11-year-old girl talk about smearing herself with her own
dead friend's blood so she doesn't get killed and think that the appropriate response is thoughts and prayers. it's unacceptable. we have the power to make real change and end gun violence. right now the american people are calling on us to protect their kids, their family, and their community. i am not going to sit on the sidelines and neither should this legislative body. if not now, when? and every member should support commonsense gun safety legislation not taking away your right to own a gun or your right, your constitutional right, but use common sense. as my grandmother used to say is not very common today. but the people of america is counting on us. act now. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman yields. the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from ohio is recognized. mr. jordan: we have heard time and time again, madam speaker, that the democrats say this is
not a violation of due process, not a violation of our constitutional rights. it most certainly is. remember the basics here. someone doesn't like you. they file a complaint, there is a hearing within 24 hours. a hearing that you're not allowed to attend. you're not allowed to be there to face your accusers. the government takes your gun or guns. several days later there is a real hearing. well, a real hearing with a lower standard. the burden of proof for the government is not beyond a reasonable doubt to deny you your constitutional right, it's a clear and convincing standard. so a lower standard to take away your fundamental liberty when you didn't commit any crime. . if that isn't a violation of due process i don't know what it. this bill will be administered by the biden department of justice, the same department of justice that got a letter from a left-wing political organization
and five days later sent a memorandum to every single u.s. attorney in this country saying this. set up a dedicated line of threat communication on parents, use counterterrorism measures against moms and dads who had the nerve to show up at a school board meeting and speak up for their kid. and then, 16 days after that memorandum went out, the f.b.i. sends an email out and says put a threat tag, a designation, a label on moms and dads who did show up at school board meeting who someone filed a complaint about on that snitch line and investigate them. that same biden administration justice department will be administering this law. that is why we are so -- so against this measure and why it is so darn dangerous. they can say all day long it doesn't violate due process. it most certainly does and will be administered by a justice department that's already proven they will go after their parents who speak up for their kids. that's why this bill is so
terrible. and why -- why republican senators are pushing this and trying, as mr. gaetz from florida said, trying to bribe states to implement this when we have the history of the biden justice department and we know what this thing is going to look like and how it will violate due process, that's why it's wrong with this legislation and why republicans, why we're so darn against this thing. i hope, i hope they will come to their senses and stand up for the law-abiding american citizens and their fundamental liberties and vote this thing down. madam speaker, we reserve. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from new york is recognized. mr. nadler: madam speaker, i now yield three minutes to the distinguished -- to a member of the judiciary committee, the distinguished gentlelady from texas, ms. jackson lee. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman from texas is recognized for three minutes. ms. jackson lee: i thank the speaker, thank the chairman this morning. let me thank lucy mcbath. and let me personally on the floor -- we said it many
times -- to offer my sympathy for the pain you continue to live with for the loss of your son. let me say to my friends, your arguments could not be more absurd. over these last two days i've heard welfare state. i am a person of faith, as all who profess such, challenging whether or not we have faith. speaking about the absurdity of not understanding the constitution. disrespecting the democratic system that we have that there will be an outrageous attack on individuals with the red flag laws. you are simply wrong. my plea is to the american people, because you can force people who masquerade as believing that it is a shame for children to die but yet do nothing. this is the side of doing absolutely nothing but castings a persians and --s a pirgss and
doing what is right. indiana passed it in 2005 and in the years since, the state firearm suicide rate has gone down 7.5%. they work. a little boy, 16 years old, in new york county was getting ready to student up his students. had shotguns at home. an order was put forward and he admitted that not having the guns in the home is helpful and the order helped him. is there no desire to do something in the name of those who died wrongly in buffalo? is there no desire? are you not in any way aware of zaire, a mother's child trying to work in a job and was severely injured? are you not aware of amara, 9
years old, who died and bled out as she called 911? are you not aware? are you not aware that 80% of people considering suicide give some of their plans and nearly 80% of perpetrators of mass violence in public places make explicit threats? red flag laws are crucial to saving lives. yes, the f.b.i. didn't act in parkland. but a red flag law that was implemented by a republican governor could have been effective. there could have been another tool. the constitution for some people they can't seem to read it clearly. the amendment -- the second amendment says to create a militia but justice scalia, who is idolized by the right, made it very clear that the second amendment right is unlimited. it is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever.
the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman's time has expired. ms. jackson lee: i ask -- mr. nadler: i give the gentlelady 30 seconds. ms. jackson lee: i am grateful for the chairman. very quickly. let me say this -- do you want guns in the hands of dangerous people? i don't want republicans shot. that was a dangerous person. do you want it in the hands of gang members? do you want us to continue, like all of these school shootings in the state of texas? let us realize, where is your heart, and ensure that the mentally ill are no the not the -- not the persons that are the most dangerous but the most dangerous people are the ones that need red flag laws. and maybe we need to sit down in the name of john lewis and said, where is your heart and where is your soul? we need to pass this red flag law and all of the gun safety legislation and the senate should pass it as well. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: members are reminded to direct their comments to the chair.
gentleman new york re -- the gentleman from new york reserves. the gentleman from ohio is recognized. mr. jordan: i yield two minutes to the gentleman from north carolina, mr. bishop. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from north carolina is recognized for two minutes. b mr. bishop: the fifth amendment says nor be deprived of life, liberty without due process of law. it's the paradox of the american experience that so many who swear to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution, the supreme law enshrining our fundamental rights are so often predisposed to strip those rights always with noble motive. weeks ago, the biden department of humanitarian formed a disinformation governance board to become the arbiter of right think. even since disbanded bad idea, 2020 state governors ordered the healthy to stay out of their churches for fear of a virus. do you remember in 1971, the department of justice obtained a t.r.o., a prior restraint, to abridge freedom of the press by forbidding "the new york times"
to continue publishing the pentagon papers. lower courts approved that, too. february, 1942, another progressive democrat, f.d.r., issued an executive order to intern u.s. citizens and residents of japanese dissent. it was greatly popular. 60% of americans polled sending their fellow american citizens to concentration camps. it was approved, not just by lower courts but by the united states supreme court in 1944. and it took until 2018 for it to be repudiated. look, again, what you justified. the long existing baker acts provide due process. new york had a red flag law and did not detect the buffalo shooter. the fierce urgency of now meets
the protections of fundamental rights in the united states constitution. and they must be vindicated. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields. the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from new york is recognized. the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from ohio is recognized. mr. jordan: two minutes to -- madam speaker, i yield two minutes to the gentleman from texas, mr. roy. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas is recognized for two minutes. mr. roy: i thank the gentleman from ohio. the gentlelady from texas asked, do we want guns in the hands of dangerous people? and the answer to that is, of course not. the question, the only question that americans is, who constitutes a dangerous person, who gets to decide and why? that's the important part here. that's what we're talking about when we talk about due process. we have laws on the books in i believe every state in the union so-called baker act provisions to civilly commit individuals
who are a danger to themselves and others. we have such a law in texas. but we didn't use it and we didn't use it against a young man who wasn't in school, was harming defenseless animals, was talking about raping women, was clearly not well, and we didn't use it. there are more people killed in the united states by hands and knives than rifles. i don't want a crazy guy in my school with or without the ability to have a weapon. we should actually be serious about committing people who have mental health problems. that would actually solve the problem. everything we are doing here today is a pretext. it is a pretext for targeting and confiscating and eliminating our ability to have weapons. when people say things, it's a good idea to believe them. president biden, whether it's a .09 millimeter pistol or rifle, it's ridiculous. i'm pushing to eliminate the
sale of those things. representative mondaire jones, if the filibuster objects us, we will get rid of it. representative ocasio-cortez, ban semi-automatics. house democrats just yesterday tweeted semi-automatic rifles are weapons of war. future justice can tanji brown jackson was applauding new zealand prime minister's commencement speech about new zealand's banning semi-automatic rives rifles. representative beo o'rourke, hell, yes, i will ban the ar-15. representative jackson lee, i held a ar-15 rifle, i wish i didn't. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from new york is recognized. mr. nadler: reserves. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from ohio is
recognized. mr. jordan: we yield two minutes to the gentleman from kentucky, mr. massie. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from kentucky is recognized for two minutes. mr. massie: i thank the gentleman from ohio. everyone wants to stop mass public shooters, but we haven't previously punished people merely on the basis of a hunch and we shouldn't start now. stopping future crimes doesn't work in the movies and it doesn't work in real life. what can work is providing mental health care and counseling to those who need it. if people truly pose a clear danger to themselves or others, they should be confined to a mental health facility. simply denying them the legal right to buy a gun isn't a serious remedy. actually, it's already possible to take a dangerous person's guns away. but democrats are completely ignoring involuntary commitment laws that are on the books in all 50 states presently. notice the baker act in florida or the 5150 code in california. these laws are different than the ones that are poe posed
today. -- proposed today and one very important aspect, they involve due process. what's the difference? in the existing involuntary commitment laws, known as baker act, there is a mental health care expert involved. there's no such thing in the red flag laws. there's an ability to challenge your -- your accuser to have a day in court before your rights are deprived. there's no such opportunity in the red flag laws. you get an attorney appointed to you if you can't afford it. no such thing in the red flag laws in many of the states. and there's -- endangering the lives not just the person we're worried about but the officers that are tasked with carrying out the raid. red flag laws could actually increase the rate of homicide and suicide. simply talking to other people about your health care issues and your mental health could help you overcome it. but people will be reluctant to do that if red flag laws are in place. red flag laws have already created thousands of
second-class citizens who don't -- who no longer have the ability to purchase a firearm for defense in the states that have red flag laws. if this passes today, there will be millions of second-class citizens created in this country who have been deprived of due process from the second amendment and i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields. the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from new york is recognized. the gentleman reserves. the gentleman from ohio is recognized. mr. jordan: thank you, madam speaker. i yield one minute to the gentleman from texas, mr. pfluger. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas is recognized for one minute. mr. pfluger: madam speaker, i rise today as a texan and a father of three young girls who go to school and a defender of constitutional rights. this is not just about doing something. this is about doing something that matters. the horror of the school shootings are an unforgiveable tragedy due to the evil that we see in people. but there's room for bipartisan solutions. unfortunately, democrats don't want to make law. they want to make politics. republicans offered an alternative, a bill that would
fund school resource officers and mental health counselors, close gaps in security and strengthen active shooter preparations. with all the costs being offset by the unused covid funds. unfortunately, this has been blocked by house democrats. there is nothing more important than ensuring our children are safe. i know this because i take my children to school and drop them off and pick them up. but in no way are the recent tragedies justification for an infringement upon the rights of law-abiding americans. i won't support legislation that infringes upon those rights being stripped without due process. this is an emotional issue but it's our job to step back and have an adult conversation. and with that i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. . the gentleman from new york is recognized. the gentleman reserves of the gentleman from ohio is recognized. mr. jordan: i think we are prepared to close, madam
speaker. if that's where the majority party's at. mr. nadler: i'm prepared to close. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from ohio. mr. jordan: i yield a minute and a half, i think that's what we have left, remining time to the gentleman from california, mr. issa. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from ohio is recognized for a minute and a half. i'm sorry. california -- the gentleman from california is recognized for a minute and a half. mr. issa: thank you, madam speaker. such time as i may consume is too short to recap these two days of the assault on the second amendment. i will only say in closing that it might seem reasonable in this bill, this five or six or seven different bills kobled together, it might seem reasonable that each of them makes sense. but i ask you, when we change the constitution to give an 18-year-old the right to vote, if we simply said today we have changed our mind, we want to make it 21, don't worry about the constitution, wouldn't there be people saying that's ridiculous?
of course they would. and if we said the first amendment gives you a right that should not be abridged and suddenly we say but we are going to have prior restraint because you might do or say something wrong, we'd say that's ridiculous. madam speaker, today this affront on the second amendment is, in fact, ridiculous. each piece may seem reasonable, but not in light of the significance of something enshrined in our constitution which is being systematically attacked by the other side. today we are defending the second amendment in a way we have not had to in a generation. we stand here not because there aren't some elements that seem reasonable in this legislation, but because at the end of the day our friends on the other side of the aisle who are not willing to support laws that are on the books being enforced are not willing to stand behind the law enforcement community that would like to enforce those, they are fronting and trying to
undo the second amendment without a constitutional change. with that i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields. the gentleman from new york is recognized. mr. nadler: madam speaker, i yield myself the balance of our time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. nadler: madam speaker, extremist laws save lives. it's that simple. ultimately that's what this debate is about, saving lives. this legislation strikes a proper balance between protecting the due process rights of people in crisis and preventing tragedy by ensuring that those who pose an imminent danger to themselves or others do not have access to firearms. madam speaker, this debate has been surreal. every court that has considered the question has concluded that red flag laws afford proper due process and are constitutional. we already know that extreme risk flaws work but less than half the states have them in effect. let us pass this legislation today so we can bring access to
this lyle saving tool nationwide. we know it's not nuvment we know we need all the provisions of the bill we passed yesterday. and we should bring back the assault weapons ban. what we cannot do should not block us from doing what we can do. we can save thousands of lives annually. let us begin. i urge all members to support >> today the house approved another gun violence measure. the bill would enact a federal red flag law, allowing courts to keep guns away from people who may endanger themselves or others. the vote was 224 to 202. democrat gerald golden from maine voted against the bill. five republicans voted in favor, upton, kinzinger, gonzalez, fitzpatrick, and jacobs. it now goes to the senate where a bipartisan group of lawmakers have been negotiating their own gun proposal. more live house coverage when members return here on c-span. and more about the debate on guns this weekend when the group
march for our lives hold a gun violence rally on the national mall in washington, d.c. watch live saturday at noon eastern here on c-span. you can also watch on our free mobile video app c-span now or online at c-span.org. >> after months of closed door investigations, the house january 6 committee is set to go public. tune in as committee members question key witnesses about what transpired and why during the assault on the u.s. capital. watch our live coverage beginning tonight at 8:00 eastern on c-span, c-span now, our free mobile video app, or anytime online at c-span.org. c-span, your unfiltered view of government. >> c-span is your unfiltered
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mr. mccarthy: i want to first apologize for being a few minutes late. i was on the floor asking for unanimous consent to move the supreme court security bill that was passed by the senate by 100 votes and it was denied. i know the speaker just had a press conference in here. i'm told she said nobody is of threat over the weekend. i don't know how she can say that knowing that you just captured a person who wanted to kill kavanaugh and his family. so was he not in any threat yesterday? is he not in any threat after schumer made his threats on the supreme court? or