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provisions in the statement. here's a few of them this morning. funding for states to implement crisis intervention orders, the so-called red flag was. another provision of the agreement, to close the so-called boyfriend loophole, the effort to ensure that no domestic abuser can buy a gun if they are convicted of abuse against their partner. there is funding therefore school-based mental health services and clinics, more funding for school safety resources and efforts to clarify the rules on who needs to register, a licensed gun dealer.
then that provision of enhanced background checks for those under 21 years old and new penalties for those who try to commit straw purchases, buying a gun for someone who isn't allowed to do so. those are the provisions in the gun proposal as president biden noted yesterday saying it doesn't do everything needed but calling for the passage of the legislation, calling on members of congress to send it to his desks. getting your reaction to it this morning. phone lines, numbers as usual with the special line for gun owners of any party. we will start with andrea this morning here in washington, d.c., good morning what was your reaction? caller: good morning. host: go ahead, andrea. caller: can you pose a specific question for me to respond to, please? host: what are your thoughts on the got milk? do you have a question about it?
caller: i want to know, i'm a washingtonian, i want to know how this is impacted by the federal savings. seems if we are blocked from owning guns here. host: so, these are new gun safety provisions here in d.c., but republicans on this deal saying that it doesn't infringe on your second amendment rights, on legal gun purchases for law-abiding citizens. you think that right is already being infringed here in d.c.? caller: yes, i do. host: all right. glenn, lakewood, florida, your next. guest: in -- caller: in my opinion this doesn't move the needle because republicans before coming to this conclusion decided that there were certain
things they would not permit or even agree with before the proposal was even done. to me the things that the american people want, they wanted to get rid of the ar-15 and have extensive background checks and some other things. they came to the table saying that those are nonstarter's. and when you consider the second amendment being used as a means of not taking away right, eliminating the ar-15 does not eliminate your second amendment rights. just because there is a weapon being sold doesn't mean your second amendment rights are being taken away, you just can't have that weapon and that's the thing democrats need to jean. it's about taking away that weapon and allowing not to have any weapons at all and again i think that's where the democrats fail at because they don't fight against that. just because the ar-15 is available, that doesn't mean you have to own it. doesn't have to be on the market. take it off the list with other things like that, it doesn't
change anything. republicans seem to have a way of saying it takes away your rights. host: on this idea of whether this legislation goes far enough, a headline from the inside pages of "the new york times," "a start." in the picture there, leonard sandoval, whose 10-year-old grandson died at the uvalde shooting. host: sunday being the first -- the sixth anniversary of the pulse nightclub shooting. a voting rights activist survivor saying that he was of
two minds about the potential deal on gun safety, saying -- host: just some of those quoted in the new york times story, one of the lead negotiators on the story from the beginning. tweets yesterday about the release, "will this do everything needed to end the gun violence epidemic? no, but it is real meaningful grass and it rakes a 30 year logjam demonstrating that democrats and republicans can work together to save lives." senator john cornyn saying that this agreement will provide schools the resources they need to enhance security and keep children safe, investing in mental health programs to support communities in schools
and not infringe on rights, they cried out for action and i work closely with my colleagues to find an agreement to protect communities from violence while protecting the rights of law-abiding texans. john cornyn, one of the 10 republicans who join together with democrat to come up with this proposal. the other nine, roy blunt, richard burr, rob portman, patrick toomey, thom tillis, and bill cassidy, lindsey graham, and the times noted yesterday that of the 10 senators supporting the deal on gun safety, four are leaving congress at the end of the year and five are not up for reelection for another four years. only mitt romney is going to face utah voters in 2024, he is up for reelection this year.
getting your reaction to the bipartisan gun proposal announced yesterday, this is jane out of las vegas, good morning. caller: good morning, thank you for c-span. i don't know exactly what's in the proposal, but i've been listening to the discussions and regarding of course background, mental illness. but what seems ambiguous amid the discussion is the two most dangerous mental illnesses. specifically antisocial personality disorder and psychopathy, which is not in a lot of attention to screening for. those are probably, i mean i'm not going to diagnose the shooters but obviously we had the worst of all and no doubt
that he wasn't a young man, but those red flags or signs of antisocial personality disorder. as many of them do. it seems to be, it's a very ambiguous discussion. talking about screening for those. and those people do not, sorry, those people do not seek therapy very often but they do interface with schools and for medical treatment. having come from a medical background, they are not screening for those types of mental illnesses. host: what is in the proposal is funding for school-based mental health services and grants for states to have their own red flag laws, a crisis intervention
order. it wouldn't be a federal red flag law but it would provide the means for states to have individual laws but i guess my question for you is what do you think is the main cause of mass shootings in this country? do you think mental illness is the main cause? do you think it is easy access to weapons in this country? what do you think it is that makes this country so unique in the amount of mass shootings that we have? caller: well, i think obviously, my belief is that there are dangerous people that don't care about other people and i think they are on the spectrum and when it comes to guns or the ability to deal with other people's money, they are dangerous to society and not being screened.
host: that is jane out in nevada this morning. harper from "the washington times," each day taking a different pole doing with the discussion happening in the public sphere. today's is this, quinnipiac university, asking 1600 people, u.s. adults, conducted earlier this month, asking what those adults felt the main cause was of mass shootings in the u.s.. 40% of respondents said they thought mental health issues were the main cause of mass shootings by young people. 19% said the availability of guns is the principal cause. 17% blamed family instability. 7% citing social media. 7% citing entertainment. republican line, good morning. caller: good morning, good
morning. host: go ahead, sir. caller: i got a dui in 1980 in a car going down a one-way street. i don't want to shoot a gun, but i want to go to a gun range and i need a background check. i guess it's a good thing, but i just wanted to shoot a gun at a range. host: and do you think that is fair or not fair? caller: i think it's fair in a way, but again not trying to do anything wrong. host: so, what is your take on this legislation, these proposals? caller: what happened in tulsa, it's getting out of hand to me, that many mass shootings going on. they should outlaw it. host: what? caller: assault rifles.
assault guns, machine guns that were used in vietnam. host: that was vincent in oklahoma. this is rick on the line forgot owners. rick, good morning. caller: good morning, how are you doing this morning? host: doing well, what are your thoughts on this proposal? caller: well, you can keep piling on gun laws and gun laws and gun laws but one of the problems we have, looking back the timelines, all the states started stopping the death penalty, there become no fear to kyle out and commit a crime. also if you think about something, three incidents that have had mass casualties where weapons were never used, look at timothy make a using a u-haul van with a pro pipe -- propane line that blew up.
the hijackings when they struck the towers. one of the worst, jim jones used poison kool-aid. there's no fear out there to put in front of people to keep them from doing these kinds of crimes . maybe if we had a death penalty? if someone does commit a gun crime? don't give them 10 or 12 years if they are captured. sentence them, two weeks later. put on tv the execution so kids will see what happens if you break the law. sorry that's just the way i look at this. host: andy out of clarksburg, good morning, you are next. caller: good morning. i hear people talk about ar-15's and loan guns. i may be quiet now. what caliber is the ar-15? has anyone ever told me that?
host: you tell me, sounds like you it -- you know. caller: hello? what caliber is the ar-15? i don't know. you say take away automatic weapons, but we have these automatic 20 twos for these people. they want to take away the automatic 22. that's a small caliber gun. in the law was never broken. we've passed the law in 1920, no more alcohol in the united states and that lasted 12 years. it was one of the worst laws ever passed. the laws, they are never enforced.
and there's no way to enforce them. thank you very much. host: ed out of west virginia this morning. we showed you some tweets from those lead negotiators in the group of 10 democratic senators who came out with this proposal yesterday. "the new york times" with that list of republicans on that gun deal, republicans being the ones who would be needed, at least 10 of them needed to overcome a filibuster at all if democrats stay together on this legislation and we are waiting on the actual text of this legislation, according to the reporting it still being written at this point. it's not there if that would be able to be passed for the july 4 resort -- recess when members of congress could be going home ahead of the campaign season. we will see what the timing is for this legislation. i want to get back to that list of 10 republican senators because of the reaction on the others of the aisle.
that's the list from "the new york times," those 10 republican senators, and lauren boebert, of colorado, the gun rights supporter, second amendment supporter, tweeting this yesterday afternoon, "siri, show me a list of senate rhinos." mike lee, not on that list, a senator from utah saying that they will always stand on the side of the second amendment with law-abiding americans processing justice, criminals must be stopped. he said he looks forward to reviewing the legislation. that's some of the reaction in the last 24 hours. this morning foam lines as usual. republicans, (202) 748-8001. democrats, (202) 748-8000s. independent, (202) 748-8002. and the line forgot owners of
any party, (202) 748-8003. in about two hours and 40 minutes we will be taking you here on c-span to the hearings of the select committee, the january 6 committee. that hearing happening today at 10 a.m. and we will be covering it here with a focus on this hearing that is expected to be post-2020 election fraud claims by former president trump and those in the white house. we are expecting several witnesses, four or five today on that one. that is at 10 a.m. eastern on c-span, c-span.org, you can watch for free on the c-span radio app. three hearings in total on wednesday, some being the role of justice department officials and white house advisors affected to focus on effort by former president trump when it comes to trying to get the
justice department to support his fraud claims. that's happening on wednesday. thursday, the fourth hearing in the series, the focus there on efforts to pressure mike pence when it comes to overturning the elections. that is sort of the road ahead this week. it again starts today at 10 a.m. eastern right here. you don't even have to change the channel. we will take you there before 10 a.m. to give you a sense of what's happening in the room and you will be able to watch it gavel-to-gavel in its entirety into hours and 40 minutes from now. mike, crescent city, florida, good morning, your thoughts on this gun proposal? caller: i thought it was funny that a federal judge had to be threatened by gun violence to do anything about guns.
is he more important than all of these schoolkids that have been murdered? host: to understand what you are saying, you think this agreement finally came together after the man was arrested after brett kavanaugh's home in maryland last week? caller: yes, a republican appointed judge, but these schoolkids, they were nonsense. i just thought it was kind of funny. host: this group has been meeting since uvalde. senator cornyn in particular being out front immediately in the wake of the shooting to try to find some proposal. it took them about two weeks to get this together.
caller: they always say that, they need more time, they need more time. the next day mike lee is on tv saying we got to get something done about the federal judge. other countries have guns but they don't have mass shootings, they have mental health and social issues. it's not just us, it's got to be something going on here. host: chris in pennsylvania, bronx pennsylvania, is that right? caller: hello, yes, it is bronx. it's a small, conservative town in lancaster county. i'm a schoolteacher and a republican, which makes me kind of rare, i think. a few things, i'm desperately looking for true leadership from my party. i think mitt romney is the only one of the last who is actually putting anything forward that is a risk, that is real leadership.
i appreciate him and hope he runs again. one of the other items not on the list for by putting teachers in the schools pink that's not wise. more guns in a school, especially with teachers, i don't think that would be a wise position to put educators in. i think there are enough stressors in that job already. host: i don't have the full text of the bill but one of the provisions's funding for school safety resources. we will try to flesh that out a bit more for you and what that means, but that's what's in the bill right now. caller: and i think that's very important as an educator. especially for supporting students. we have students coming up we need that support and it hasn't been there.
we have some structural pieces where families are not the same across the united states. we need mental health services to help these students who have been struggling for so long and i want to say thank you to the leadership, especially mitt romney and the rest of the republicans. i guess traditional republicans? i don't see leadership coming from my own party. especially for the past six years. i'm very frustrated with my party and this is finally something showing me that the party needs more common sense. i hope it continues to grow in return, but right now the only one on the list that i saw was mitt romney, who forward you know a consistent effort. host: what rate do you teach? caller: special education, grades nine through 12, actually, supporting them in the academics center. host: on that funding for school
safety resources, in delving more into what that means, it says safety measures around primary and secondary schools, providing training to school personnel and students, that is how they describe that effort. and we are against awaiting on the legislative text, but that's what i can tell you right now. caller: i truly hope you keep the weapons out of teachers hands. as a republican and eczema military, people that don't need guns? priests, rabbis, schoolteachers. we need these places to be considered safe zones, i think. host: from this morning, punch bowl news, we are to told the group in the coming days is expected to have only part of the proposal formally drafted. it won't be reopened until the
full text is out as the members are still supportive of the document but it will take roughly a week to get it through the senate, they write and they need to begin removing the legislation by the end of next four the senate leaves for the july 4 recess. they said it doesn't leave much time to work out any technical problems that might climb up -- come up during the process. that's fungible news. brian, independent line, good morning, sir. caller: good morning. my view on this bill is that it is actually rubbish. the president wanted a ban on the gun. i want bands on this gun. i don't think they should be allowed. i think the republicans have really outsmarted the democrats with this. the democrats had the headwinds and could have pushed for more. but that's why i'm not a democrat or republican. i don't see them doing what they
are supposed to do. eight out of 10 americans want these guns banned. they really should have went for that. host: which guns do you specifically mean? talking about ar-15? caller: ar-15, whose ease, ak 57, whose ease, all of these guns that were meant for the battlefield. the fact that they didn't even change the age from 18? i mean that is an insult and a slap to the people that lost their lives. i feel that we are being sold a bill of goods and the democrats went along with it. it's a shame that they didn't stand up and do what the majority of the american people wanted. host: on some of the automatic weapons you referred to, there
are already heavy restrictions on automatic weapon ownership in this country and it's hard to maintain -- obtain one of those legally. but the discussion has been around assault weapons and what it means and what shooters should be included in the idea of assault weapons. any thoughts on those semi automatic weapons? not automatic. that you think should fall under this? caller: well, again, yes. the ones that i mentioned, if they are semi or auto, and i know you know semi automatic weapons can be, you know, modified fairly late to become fully automatic. but the point was why are they even allowed? why is it that our children have to suffer because
people continue to have this false idea around the second amendment right being more important than the rights of, you know, humans in children in our, in our everyday lives. like i said, the democrats got really taken out. host: you mentioned the children. did you watch any of the march or our lives coverage, that event here in d.c.? caller: yeah, i was there to show my support. if we cannot protect elementary school, high school students, what does it say about our country and our people? what about the politicians who think that the second amendment
involves the rights of our children, what does it say about america? host: what was your take away around the march? caller: excuse me, that was my second time. i went there for the parkland students when they came. it was the same thing. i felt that they were there definitely to help children and to help their fellow students around the world and to help all of us. our children need to be protected. this idea again that we cannot, it doesn't sit well, it shouldn't sit well with any american. i don't think children, i don't think anyone 18 should have access to that or the guns should even allowed to be sold. i just don't. host: frank mentioned parkland,
one of the survivors of that was one of the speakers at the march for our lives on saturday here in d.c., here is some of what he had to say this weekend. [video clip] >> all americans have a right to not be shot. a right to safety. nowhere, nowhere in the constitution is an respected -- unrestricted access to weapons of war a guaranteed right. we've seen the damage ar-15's due when we look at the innocent children of uvalde. tiny coffins horrify us filled with related and decapitated bodies. that should fill us with rage. demand change.
not endless debate, but change. now. now. not tomorrow, not the next day or the next day or next year, now. do you agree with that? do you agree with that? do you agree with that? you have to be louder. do you agree with that? make sure every single senator can hear you. do you agree with that? sorry, i'm so angry. if our government can't do anything to stop 19 kids from being killed and slaughtered in their own things and decapitated.
it's time to change who is in government. host: that was one of the cap -- cofounders of march for our lives at that event, the one being held here in washington, d.c. this weekend and if you want to watch it in its entirety, you can do so at these mandatory. 25 minutes left in this segment of "the washington journal," focusing on the bipartisan gun deal released by republicans and senators yesterday. want to hear your thoughts on that proposal. phone lines as usual. with a special line for gun owners of any party. (202) 748-8003 is that number. phoebe, good morning. caller: morning, how are you? i agree with the last caller so much. i was very glad you played david
hogg. he expresses exactly how i feel. they just should not have passed this bill without outlawing the assault rifles. i don't know what they are thinking. it doesn't matter about mental health. somebody could go crazy at any time. but if they can't get a gun, they are not going to shoot up a school. that seems very simple to me. we should be getting rid of the ak-47s, get buyback, whatever, get them out of the public. it's too dangerous. that guy in canada, justin trudeau, he passed the law the next day banning these things. i don't know what's the matter with our government. i don't feel protected at all. host: austin, texas, roy, republican, good morning. caller: good morning, good morning, how y'all doing this morning? host: doing well. caller: there was a gentleman on
the news the other day, i apologize, he had a good point, he listed out over decades the number of mass shootings, starting with 1950. the point he was making is that there was like one mass shooting in like 1950, 5 and 60 a must so on and so forth. the point he was making was that guns were available all the time back then. we just didn't have the mass shootings. the point he was making is what has changed is the mentality of our country and that we don't hold people accountable anymore. we don't make the punishment fit the crime. we have a society with video games that glorify shooting people that kids are playing. that's my first point. second, i'm tired of people calling these assault rifles. by definition it's a field rifle that you get between semi and fully automatic. the average american cannot legally buy those rifles unless
they have a plethora of permits, ok? i've got a remington 30 ought six that has a clip with a -- making it a semi automatic weapon. it does not resemble an assault rifle but it can do just as much damage as an ar-15. those guns are assault style rifles, not assault rifles. i wish people would get that through their head. thank you very much for your time and keep up the good work. host: can i ask you a question before you go, roy? lost roy. mckenzie, good morning. caller: thank you for your show. that one fellow wanted to know what ar-15 caliber was, it's 22 but like five times the powder. the velocity is a lot more. it's like that fellow just said.
the 60's and 70's, this mass single shootings and all that. instead of making our schools gun free zones, how stupid is that? obama was doing that? if it's against the constitution , we are not going to do it. like at the border, enforcing the border laws. federal laws just don't mean that much anymore. host: you talked about the fellow who was on before who mentioned the five round magazine that he had for his rifle. that brings up the idea of these high-capacity magazines and why should they, should we focus on those.
should we outlaw high-capacity magazines? why do more than five or six rounds in a magazine? why 20 or 30 round magazines? what are your thoughts on that? >> you can put as many as you got. i've got one with 30 but you don't put that in because it ruins your clip you can put dang close to it. host: and why do you need 30 rounds, roger, for folks who are not gun owners and have not shot a gun, why do you need something with 30 rounds? caller: i inherited guns from my grandfather, my father. i had 30 ready. i gave them away. you got to clean them every six months and they rust. i didn't need them. but you have a right to own them. you came tell me i can't. -- you can't tell me i can't. host: brockton, massachusetts, democratic line. caller: the gentleman from texas
and alabama have good point. would it make you feel better if people work thrown out of windows? lee harvey oswald got off three shots and six seconds with a bolt action rifle. the problem is society's changing. stresses on society of change. we don't have health care, you know what i mean? the republicans don't want public health care because they profit from it. why did trump want to be president? he was profiting from it. it comes down to who is making money off of what and that's why they don't want these things outlawed, you know what i mean? when you got a single mother working 40, 50, sit -- 40, 50, 60 hours week, raising a son by herself, no grandma helping, the
kids not happy with his life, getting harassed at school, like these guys said back in the 1950's, go back to the 1900. there were guns, all types of guns. pocket guns for women, gun knives, people going into the schools. it's horrible that these people are going into the schools and i sympathize greatly. but the answer, the problem isn't the gun. it comes down to more structural society issues than our problems with profiteering. there was a poll i saw the other day on the trust of politicians broken down by democrat or republican. it was 12% democrats trust in politicians to do the right and 9% of republicans trusted politicians to do the right thing. that says a lot about our country. thank you. host: that was brian in
massachusetts. a few comments from social media. hunter saying that it's a brand -- band-aid on a broken arm. anything less than age limits is nothing less than appeasement. this could be our last real opportunity to limit gun violence in this country. this is from mark, saying it sounds like second amendment absolution is hate it and gun ban advocates hate it, therefore he says it's heading in the right direction. writing that the store in buffalo had an armed guard and that there was a squad of police officers. every school needs a nurse who can refer at risk students to mental health professionals, that is where we need to spend our resources. steve out of north charleston, republican mine, good morning. caller: i'm also a gun owner, i didn't know which line to call on. host: it's fine, either one.
caller: i got to admit, i don't know what's in this bill. but as a gun owner with a concealed carry permit, i know i'm going to make nra people mad, gun owners mad, i think the single biggest thing you could do to reduce carnage's get rid of the 30 round capacity magazines right away. just do away with them. i know that enthusiasts like to shoot them. when i go to the gun range it sounds like a small war out there. those people are not going to go shoot up a school. frankly i don't know how you get the money to shoot that much right there with the ammo. i can't even get on. it's a great -- it's incredible. a handgun there, there's probably been a run on them in the last because of the gun legislation. i think if you got rid of those
high-capacity magazines it would, like i say, reduce the carnage if someone took aim at a soft target. the ar-15, the last few callers calling in on this, you cannot select automatic on it. five or six weights, that's a high powered cartridge. you can also get it alone just for thinking or go to a very powerful cartridge like the 308, which is very damaging. but if you take all that military looking paraphernalia off of it and get rid of the high-capacity magazines, you've just got another automatic rifle. i think that would help. host: it just comes back to what an assault been is? caller: they are scared of this. give them an inch, they take a mile. for the ar-15 owner in a home, he's going to say well if someone is invading my house i wanted east the same capacity as
they have got. that will be the argument for them. host: you mentioned you are not exactly sure everything in the pozo and that it's helpful to go over it again as we are all learning gather as it came out yesterday afternoon and that this is likely what's going to be talked about for the next two or three weeks, but what is in this group of 20 bills, funding to implement the things you want, efforts to close the so-called boyfriend loophole to make sure that no domestic abusers can buy a gun if you are she is convicted of abuse against their partner. funding for school-based mental health and community mental health clinics with resources clarifying the rules on who need to register and enhanced background checks for those under 21 who are buying a gun with new penalties for straw
purchases. you mentioned high-capacity magazine bands to be in there. does the rest of it sound ok with you? caller: i will tell you this, i sold a handgun in the 1980's with sailor and i still have a handwritten bill of sale. i wasn't letting that gun out of my hands until i recorded the serial number and who i sold it to. when you transfer ownership of a gun, you should have a bill of sale. i don't want to start a whole new expensive state agency for man, just mail that thing and let the atf people know that you sold the gun to the sky. and i don't own any more. a criminal will file off the serial number, but that's just the way -- i sent you a link and you may have run across it, it's in a twitter feed, the safest school in america, indiana. you look at that you would say hey, we got money to send to
ukraine, if we could make every school like this school. one more thing. a month ago i called and on abortion and this happened right before uvalde, right before my 10-year-old son got out of school and i looked at him and i thought i'm so thankful for him being in my life and i sit there in the parking lot and i'm like i don't take my handgun on school grounds but i feel so helpless if some perpetrator were to, you know, try to take aim at that soft target and i'm sitting there. i'm a trained gun owner and i can't anything. i think they should train -- change that law. host: thank you for that call. hear from you again in about a month. norwalk, ohio, good morning. caller: good morning, america. boy, there is a lot here this morning. a comment earlier about trump making money? why don't we start on the bidens? that's the future.
what we got going on now is a lot of mental illness. what happened during the iraq war, the bush administration, they killed all the mental hospitals in them into the streets. now we have to deal with all these mental people. look at california. it's such a scene of homelessness and crime and everything. am i to understand you correct that they passed the bill without it even being written yet? how can we even trust these individuals? host: to be clear, it isn't passed at all and isn't written yet. this is the proposal, the framework agreement announced yesterday. we are waiting legislative language and text, it is expected to take a few more days for that. the earliest they could pass in the senate after that happens is perhaps a week. and of course president biden would have to sign it into law
in as invite has already indicated he would sign the bill, though he thinks more should be done. that is kind of where we are. we are on the early stage of this with agreement among these senators and republicans. caller: ok, i'm sorry, i'm just waking up. i just hope that this bipartisan group is better than the january 6 committee. you can enforce the laws, what's a law-abiding citizen supposed to do once someone kicks down the door and tries to assault us? we supposed to all the police? wait, democrats tried to defund the police. listen, people. the people on the hill behind you there, we are in trouble and they are worried about passing gun laws? we have hyperinflation.
everything is going on. i understand that there are bad people out there. the reason there is is the family structure. there is no more family structure. host: that's mike in ohio. we will stay in the buckeye state with jerry, carrollton. caller: thank you for having me on. it is so ironic that most people that call into your station don't even know what ar is, actually. they think it's some kind of military assault weapon. no it taint. i would not want to go to war with an ar-15 by no means. them proposals that you just laid out there? that ain't gonna stop nothing, nobody from shooting. the best thing they could do is
to put cops in the schools. that will stop at the day they do that. but do they? host: on that, the argument in the past couple of weeks on the others of that is that there were plenty of cops outside of uvalde and the investigation is still happening into what exactly happens, but there were a lot of cops with a lot of guns outside uvalde and yet that still happened. do you have any thoughts on that, jerry? any thoughts on that? caller: yes, then police officers that was standing outside, they was either afraid to go in and get shot at or they was just being just plain, what i would call, chicken. we you get there on the scene if you are a police officer, gun
fire inside, it's your job to go to it. you don't set outside for half an hour to five minute, thinking about what you gonna do. you should know what you are going to do. when you get there. i mean it's just, it's just amazing. host: that's jerry in ohio. richard, illinois, good morning. caller: yes, i think part of the whole problem here, it's a multicausal situation, ok? one, i think there is an attitude that ar-15's are like an extension of a game. as a matter of fact, people talk about the idea that there is an assassination generation being cultivated. there's a book on that. people are looking at why are
things like this being taught. the ar-15 is a close quarter urban combat weapon. fundamentally it was designed for jungle warfare. i was in the generation in which we trained over from the m 14, which a selective switch could fire in a burst of two. the other weapons fire multiple smaller rounds. so, things are little bit friend regarding the nature of this weapon can it's not hard to find what an assault weapon is. personally i think fundamentally we ought to have a buyback program and those that want to continue to shoot, create a force that is basically tied to the national guard. they can have vetting, they can
have opportunities to fire their weapons if they like. we need another 750, 500,000 people that could basically be ready on a moments notice regarding national security. look at what's happening in the ukraine. they are adapting conscripts and we are having problems getting people to serve. that one person who's having problems, let them refer to military service. host: that is richard out of illinois, the conversation about magazine size sparking messages from viewers. paul says that the correct compromise is to keep ar weapons and restrict the size of magazines to hold no more than four rounds, the same as all semi automatic hunting weapons.
no killer wants to be reloading, he right. sheila says she would like to see the gotten blago further, she's glad that congress is working together to find a compromise. a few minutes left in this segment. gary, dayton, democrat, good morning. caller: hey, i've got a point for you. a while back, michael, the former lawyer for 45, did a deposition about what 45 was afraid of. he said that trump was mainly afraid of selling, someone getting to them with a high -- pie, throwing pastry at him. host: so, take me to the compromise yesterday. caller: ok, it's a good start but it needs to, it needs to
include the restriction on the magazines and the amount of bullets that can go in a magazine. it's a good start, but they need to do better. host: does it lead to more or is this all this congress can do? caller: i think it's all this congress can do, really. until you get rid of macconnell and mike lee. boebert and what's her name from georgia. host: marjorie greene? caller: yeah until you get rid of them people, we don't have a chance. it's everybody, it's everybody for themselves. host: all right, we will take your point. republican line, good morning.
caller: how are you doing today, sir? host: doing well. caller: i'm at work, i've got to make this quick, but i feel like there's a lot of people with a lot of opinions without a lot of education on the suss -- subject people -- subject. people really need to touch up on what you guys are talking about, but the point i want to make is we have done a lot of things and had a lot of things in place. school resource officers, buyback program's. we had the ability for people to voluntarily turn in their guns or voluntarily commit to mental health treatments, yada yada. what i need -- we need and i hate to be the guy who pushes education, but you cannot purchase your annual hunting license tag permit without hunting safety course.
educating you, operating your firearm in a certain manner. and such. i feel like in a program like this if we were going to have any kind of gun control, you would have to go through a weapons safety course before you can even think about purchasing a firearm. i'm a republican, a gun owner in the military and i use a fully automatic rifle every day at work as a law-enforcement officer and they are designed for us. those types of weapons are designed for us to respond in a reactive manner. they aren't to be used in an offense of manner in a civilian capacity. i can't give one good reason for a civilian to utilize one. hunting, we have round limits. three rounds in the tube.
i don't know if you want to ask any questions about what i just stated. it's kind of a lot. host: on the magazine capacity issue, why was that a bridge too far for this legislation, do you think? it is certainly being talked about in the days and weeks since uvalde. why is that something that cannot make it into a compromise like this? caller: i think it's very controversial. you get to arrange and you feel great. it's an awesome experience. but out on the streets? i don't think so. to answer your question, is controversial because i think too many people on both sides are refusing to budge. they don't want to educate themselves on what the other side thinks because hey, we are american. stubborn and free. i'm as pro-freedom as it gets,
but there comes to a point where there is a public safety concern. why would you need 35 by six rounds to protect your home. i own handguns that do the same job. yeah, you can own your set out -- semi automatic rifles at any caliber. why you need 30 or more rounds? if you need 30 rounds to kill an intruder, you might want to go to the range, you know what i mean? host: thank you for the call a >>senators just reached a bipartisan legislation. the proposal includes support for states to enact red flag laws, expand mental health services in all 50 states, funding for school safety resources and allow searches of
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>> we take you live now to the u.s. capitol where the house is about to gavel in for general speeches. later today, house lawmakers will debate five bills involving transportation and infrastructure. one of those measures is a shipping reform bill to address supply chain disruptions and help u.s. producers export their products internationally. the senate passed the bill on march 31 by a voice vote. if passed by the house, it will then go to president biden's desk. any votes today will be held at 6:30 p.m. eastern time. you're watching live coverage of the house here on c-span. koppe koppe