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relationship. i never felt i needed to sleep with some toad in order to get someplace. so what is the difference between someone like me and someone like mariah? >> you will do it for yourself. bring yourself up by your own -- and if you can't do it by your own you will do without. >> a lot of people won't do without. >> and also there is self-esteem involved. >> joy: yeah, but if i could sing like mariah i wouldn't need tommy -- >> thousands thing like mariah. >> joy: really? >> absolutely. >> joy: all right. one thing about mariah she is now in a great relationship with nick cannon, i think. he is a lovely guy, and good for her. thanks to all of my ges. thank you guys. join me tomorrow i'll be talking
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to betty white, and the cast of the shahs of sunset. >> jennifer: i'm jennifer granholm. tonight in "the war room," president obama nominates a republican war hero for defense secretary, and republicans say they don't like it. honestly, what is wrong with these people? [♪ theme music ♪] >> jennifer: today the president nominated normer nebraska senator, chuck hagel for defense secretary so he would be the first enlisted soldier to leave the department. and also the first vietnam department. he has gotten endorsements from colon powell robert gates, tom ridge, but the other defining element of his resume?
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he's a republican. >> finally chuck represents the bipartisan tradition that we need more of in washington. for his independence he has earned the respect of military leaders, republicans and democrats, including me. >> jennifer: he would be the second appointed cabinet member. and not since president kennedy have there been that many republican in a democratic administration. but listen to this. >> i know chuck hagel. he is an honorable man, but he is profoundly wrong. it is pretty clear that chuck
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hagel has left the republican party when he endorsed president president obama in 2008. >> jennifer: he didn't actually support president obama, but also there is bill kristol who has leading the anti-hagel charge online. his pac actually bought, and probably won't be a fan site. and his pac has been running anti-hagel ads. >> announcer: hagel says military action is not a viable responsible option. >> jennifer: so interesting, and it's not just bill kristol's pac going after chuck hagel.
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in anticipation of the confirmation hearings republicans in congress are combing through all of the past comments for something they can use against him, and in 2011 chuck hagel called the military budget bloated and said it should be paired down. let's take a look at that statement. in fact the defense has skyrocketed over the last century as you can see in this graph. we now spend more than any other country, and in fact we spend more than the next 13 countries combined. republicans -- that's one argument, right? republicans also say that they are worried that chuck hague legal be too weak on iran based on his dove-like approach to iraq. mitch mcconnell said today that he would have some tough
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questions for hagel, but back in 2007 mitch mcconnell called hagel . . . and said many of the predictions chuck hagel made about the iraq war came true. the next criticism of chuck hagel is that he won't support israel enough. he has referred to a jewish lobby in washington. but today the anti-defamation league said that it would support him. still the issue reportedly does have the white house concern, and according to cnn the white house has reached out to jewish groups for their support. and then on gay rights. hagel called james hormel
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aggressively gay. he has renounced those words, but now a future senator who is obviously a leading advocate he told the "boston globe," quote . . . >> jennifer: so joining me now to discuss all of the president's cabinet appoints is michael o'hanlon of the brookings institute. welcome back inside "the war room." really appreciate it. >> thank you governor nice to be with you. >> jennifer: great to be with you too. brookings institution is a very respected organization. do you think hague sell a good pick? >> yeah, i tend to think he is.
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although i will say right up front is i think tough questioning of the type that mitch mcconnell talked about is entirely appropriate for a confirmation process, and i would be interested to see how senator hagel's views have changed or modified over the years. on iran i share some senator hagel's concerns about the distinct possibility of war, but i also think he was a little bit too optimistic about diplomacy at that time just like senator obama was too optimistic. president obama has become much more forceful and firm in dealing with iran and tightened the sanctions. i think it is fair to learn how senator hagel would have handled the same resolution. but i like the fact that he creates these kinds of questions
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and these kinds of debates. i think his independent spirit is actually healthy for the big issues we have before us. >> jennifer: yeah obviously anyone who is nominated has to expect some tough questions. but he signaled that he would cut defense spending. what do you think that would look like and would that actually get through congress? >> governor i was very glad when you did your spot a few minutes ago, you mentioned that his statement about a bloated pentagon was two years ago. since then both parties have agreed that the budget needs to be scaled back. and $487 billion has been cut over the following ten years. now the debate is how much more we should cut. my own view is we can cut a
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little bit more but not as much as sequestration would require. so again the confirmation hearings are going to be excellent opportunities to get into these matters. i don't know what senator hagel things about how much more deeply we can cut, he should be asked. but the pentagon was bigger than it needed to be in 2011 and that's commonly accepted idea at this point. >> jennifer: that's interesting. so that might be a bit of a red herring or at least an unimportant factor but the obama administration is reaching out to jewish groups to get his nomination. do you think statements related to israel are going to pose a problem for him? >> i don't know. i think it will cause some problems yes. it will probably lose him some
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votes, but i have been under the spotlight a lot less in my life than you have or senator hagel and i have had things come out not quite right, and the question is whether he would have israel's back as defense secretary. and i would like to hear some details on if he would. i think israel does need to rethink it's settlements policy but he would not have a big role in those decisions anyway. he has to help israel's military be strong enough to defend their security. >> jennifer: there was another important nomination today which was john brennan being nominated to head the cia. your take on him given his
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criticism on the use of interrogation techniques. >> i think he'll get a knew criticisms from the left but these will be from democrats who don't want to see president obama's nomination defeated. and brennan will respond by we don't do that enough anymore. we can have the debate but going forward, we're not going to do enhanced interrogations and i would think that would more or less settle the matter. >> jennifer: so do you think they both get confirmed? >> i think hague legal be tough. he is going to have to show that he is willing to rethink some of his positions. i like the fact that he is a bit of a contrarian but i think
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some of the conversation is going to be very useful. if he tries to stick with every position he took over the years, he could run into some heavy opposition, but my guess is in the end he will probably be fine and probably get 70 or more votes. >> jennifer: i agree with you. thank you so much for joining us inside "the war room." after the break what do the democrats make of the implosion in the republican party? well, i'm sure they wish it would hurry a long a little bit. peter fenn will help us out on that one. plus we say it all the time keep your eye on the state legislateser. and later what happened to the american dream.
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♪ this is an in your face nomination by the president to all of us who are supportive of israel. i don't know what his management experience is regarding the pentagon. little if any. so i think it's an incredibly controversial choice and it looks like the second term of barack obama is going to be an in-your-face term. >> stephanie: that is lindsay graham objecting to chuck hagel's nomination to be the next secretary of defense. and hague sell not the only nominee that will face
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opposition, and here with that story is democratic strategist peter fenn. thanks for joining us in "the war room" again. >> thanks. great to be with you governor. >> jennifer: okay is the president going to have a really big fight on his hands, or is this just a bunch of media making about it because a few are raising their head and objecting? >> it's really hard to tell how much the republicans are going to push this. they are itching for a fight, governor. they just got kind of beaten up. boehner is in trouble. so they are picking a fight with the president a bit on this one. lindsay graham is looking over his shoulder worried about his base, so you have got a little of that going on but right there have only been three republicans who have stated their for-sure opposition to him. i'm old enough to remember when john tower was getting beaten
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above the head and shoulders, but there was a guy who had serious alcohol problems serious womanizing problems serious personal issues which the senate was worried about, and that was a 53-47 vote. so i think they may try to goat him in these hearings and get him to lose his temper to get angry. but this guy is a pro, and he is not going to do that. i think it may be a lot of sound and fury significantsignificant significant -- signifying nothing. >> jennifer: i totally agree with you. because chuck hagel is a man who doesn't really have a constituency. he has somewhat left the
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republicans, and isn't necessarily a democrat. but at the end of the day i'm firmly convinced he and john brennan both get nominated. let's talk about john brennan for the cia. >> obviously he had four years to look at water boarding policies, which he was par of the cia, and he has come out very strongly that we have moved on from this. i watched that interview he got himself in trouble on a little bit today, and he was talking about taking the gloves off. what did that mean not a good turn of phrase at the time and one which was used against him, but he has been at the president's side every single day, briefed him every day. i think the liberals that were
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concerned about that four years ago, that issue has been resolved, we have a clear policy and he is with the program. so i just don't think that is going to be a major deal. the president is looking at his second term for two strong qualified competent folks to take over this tough job, and i think he has made two very good picks. >> jennifer: yeah i do too, and at the end of the day they both get confirmed i'm pretty confident of that. >> one of the problems the republicans have if they look petty again on this one, if they get up there -- and they can do this so well, and there is a way that highingel can eviscerate
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them and then they look bad. >> jennifer: yes, exsaas baiting that by going after a guy who is a republican a decorated war hero, just because he was nominated by the president makes them look worse. there is a new poll out that only 8% of republicans identify them as tea partiers. do you imagine the tea partiers in the house could moderate their views? i know it's wishful thinking. >> it is. i think a lot of these folks are in an alternative universe. i think they can read polls, have their constituents say to them you have gone too far, but these folks are, i'm afraid deaf, dumb and blind. this is a real problem for a lot of these characters.
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maybe their politics being around some more reasonable people will change their minds, but i think -- the problem is -- that -- the result is going to be these folks get defeated in an election. i think there's more chance of that than they change their positions or minds. >> jennifer: do you really hate to say it? >> well i would love to see it. but i would like to see a little reasonableness in this town to pass some of this stuff. >> jennifer: that's right. peter fenn thank you so much for coming inside "the war room." >> thanks. >> jennifer: you bet. and up next new state legislatures mean a wave of new state laws some are good and some are bad. we'll talk about that whwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwhwh >> i think it's brilliant. (vo) first, news and analysis
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♪ >> jennifer: let's take a look at the state of our states. legislatures across the country are wrapping up lame duck sessions. in illinois their session is winding down. but today democrats sent a bill to the floor that would allow undocumented immigrants to receive driver's licenses. and over the weekend in illinois
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a last-pitch effort to legal size same-sex marriage lost steam and will be taken up on wednesday. president obama won virginia by 150,000 votes, so naturally republican delegate mark cole is pushing a tough voter id law that would out law bank statements paychecks and even utility bills if people used them as indication. in california for the first time in 130 years, democrats actually have a two-thirds super majority in both chambers to go along with the governor lawmakers have lard introduced more than 100 bills in california including
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one to strictly regulate ammunition purchases. here to discuss that is "san francisco chronicle" political reporter joe garofoli. let's talk about california for a second. because all i can tell you, as a former governor two-third's majority in each house. oh my god. >> it's very tempting to ram through everything you have ever wanted to do. but jerry brown, remember this is his third term. 74 years old. he is a smarter wiser guy. look for the legislature to follow his lead. >> jennifer: it will have to go on the ballot if they are going to raise taxes. >> right. >> jennifer: even though that was the big drawback of prop 13.
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>> prop 13 caps property taxes, but they are going to nibble at it. is sort of a loophole that says if you are a commercial property owner, you won't get reassessed and they are going to go after that. and jerry brown has laid very quite. he is going to say let that come from the grass roots. >> jennifer: so how many of the increases are tax bills? >> there are some in there. >> jennifer: you cover san francisco and one of the issues that is really important in this community is lbgt rights. >> yes.
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>> jennifer: the log cabin republicans put out a statement opposing chuck hagel. >> they are opposing him. and barbara boxer is even like i'm going to take a wait and see attitude. and it goes back to a comment that bill clinton made. hagel said this he said they are representing america, our lifestyles and values, and i think chuck hagel is aggressively gay. >> jennifer: right. but he has apologized. >> yes, 14, 15 years later when he is being nominated as secretary of defense.
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so he'll come home but there will be public gravelling. >> jennifer: and you have same-sex marriage efforts across the country. you have don't ask don't tell off the books. is sexual orientation going to an issue that really rallies the gay community? >> the log cabin republicans are wants to get their name off there a little bit. but hagel did oppose gays in the military, saying the u.s. armed forces are not some sort of social experiment. so he will also get nailed on that. he will spend a good portion of his hearing apologizing for things he did in the past. >> jennifer: but jerry brown do you think he will run for a
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second term? >> i think so. he is right now being treated for prostate cancer. >> jennifer: right. and everybody is saying he's going to be fine on that. >> the man has tremendous energy. i talked to some california labor leaders who are very tight with the governor and they said absolutely. >> jennifer: and on the republican side? >> hello, anybody out there? >> jennifer: crickets. >> [ cricket sound effect ] >> jennifer: all right. "san francisco chronicle" political reporter joe garofoli, appreciate it. up next a virginia legislator is putting forward a bill that would require at least one person in every school to have to carry a gun.
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♪ >> jennifer: back inside "the war room," i'm jennifer granholm. in the wake of the sandy hook elementary school shootings, you recall the nra suggested all schools install armed guards to prevent a similar tragedy. >> the only way to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be personally involved and invested in a plan of absolute protection. the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> jennifer: of course wayne lapierre went on to suggest that there should be armed personnel inside our schools, and our next guest thinks that's a good idea.
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bob marshall has drafted legislation that at least one person be armed inside of our schools in virginia. welcome inside "the war room." >> it could also be a good lady with a gun as an off-duty deputy sheriff proved last week when someone entered a theater with a gun. >> jennifer: which is better from your perspective? should be it an armed teacher? an armed guard with a gun? would the armed person have prevented the sandy hook tragedy in your mind? >> let me give you the background? virginia there are 1980 public
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schools. we have 552 armed police guns there are about 860 security personnel who are from private agencies. they do not have guns. the purpose is if there is god forbid a situation like there was in connecticut, none of us can imagine what those families are going through, but i want to do something to help prevent the sorrow from spreading. if a person is trained to respond, it would cut these things short, and reduce the amount of killing. the one characteristic is that most of them if not all of them are so-called gun-free zones. the guy in aurora colorado there were seven theaters that
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were playing batman and he went to the only theater with signed posted no gun zone. we have those in all of our schools. israelis have done this in their states. utah has had armed teachers for 12 years, and there have been no incidents at all. >> jennifer: i mean i -- i appreciate trying to figure out a solution to this very very difficult problem, but i find it hard to believe that people who would go off and kill scores of people are as rational as that a sign would deter them. i'm not sure they are thinking about the national gun free schools law.
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but 1980 k through 12 schools in virginia? >> almost 2000. >> jennifer: all right. so the idea would be there are armed personnel in those schools, and if there are armed guards, who pace for that. >> that's why i didn't necessarily want to go with the payment. if we have to hire 1800 please that's $120 million. that's a big hole in the budget. i have emails from teachers principals vice principals other personnel at schools who said please authorize this training i will take it. so these people are already working on the payroll, and you have to be a teacher or principal for three years at the
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school volunteer at the school or retired policeman in the district for three years. why three years? it's a proxy for trust in this person. but again, the school board can say, john jones you volunteer, but we're not going to take you, but we'll take salary smith. >> jennifer: what if a school doesn't have volunteers? are you requiring it? or allowing it. >> i'm requiring that they -- look there are 311,000 virginians who have concealed carry permits right now. like i said i have been approached -- >> jennifer: right. but if nobody is volunteering then they have to hire somebody? >> they can hire people right now. they can't hire a private armed guard. they are hire a security person. and you know the legislative process. if you can't find somebody you may have to hire somebody to do
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it. >> jennifer: we're a little bit out of time but i'm so fascinated by this. there are a number of other measures that people are suggesting, but one of the things that people have suggested is that criminal background and mental health background checks for everybody who purchases a gun should be required. do you agree with that? >> we changed some of the statutes in virginia because when that chow situation happened we changed the law after that. now some of the federal privacy laws? one sense they are snooping too much but in the other sense they are not disclosing to family members -- >> jennifer: so should there be a registry? and should private sales be required to have a background
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check. >> i don't know about private sales, but >> jennifer: 40% of sales are through private sales how do you fix that? >> not at our virginia shows. we have a state police at all of our gun shows. >> jennifer: all right. i appreciate you coming on to give us the perspective from the other side. and up next we know we still want the american dream, and we have pulitizer prize winner hedrick smith, and he is going to look for the american dream in his new book and we'll tell you [ male announcer ] the exclusive air suspension in the 2013 ram 1500. ♪ ♪ engineered to move heaven and earth. ♪ ♪ guts. glory. ram.
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♪ >> jennifer: well as long as politicians come up with dumb ideas, and i'm a politician, so i know that happens, cenk uygur is going to be around to smack them around for it and that's
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why we love the host of "the young turks" who is joining us right now from los angeles. cenk what have you got tonight? >> tonight we'll talk about think hagel and brenner dominations, of course. there is something really interesting about gay republicans being against hagel. it turns out where they got their money might be the answer. and we'll bring on jimmy carter's former national security advisor to talk about makel and where he stands. i think that's a fascinating conversation. >> jennifer: it is a fascinating conversation, i be will tuning in. thanks cenk. >> thank you. >> jennifer: the fiscal cliff debate is behind us thankfully and you would have thought the republicans would have learned their lesson but today, mitch
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mcconnell threat inned to again shut that whole government thing down. >> none of us like using these situations like the sequester or the debt ceiling or the depreciation of government to try to engage the president to deal with this. it's a shame we have to use whatever leverage have in congress to get the president to deal with our future with excessive spending. >> jennifer: it was yesterday he said that but i'm sure he still believes it today. everybody agrees we have to cut spending for long-term purposes. the disagreement is over the length of time. joining me now is pulitizer prize winner hedrick smith, he is the author of the new book
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"who stole the american dream?" so glad to well you inside "the war room." >> so good to be with you. >> jennifer: do you think the middle class is a casualty of this kind of political wrangling in washington. >> i think it goes further back than that. it starts with a huge power shift that took place in washington back in the 1970s. we think of middle class prosperity as a time when the economy worked much better but the politics worked much better as well. we had women's movement strong labor movement all of those things helped buttress the power of the middle class and middle class prosperity. there was a shift. there was a revolt of the bosses touched off by none other than lewis powell and he said to business you are getting taken
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to the cleaners get organized. hire lobbyists. set up your superfunds, the finds of things that have happened today began back in the 1970s. it was a deliberate power grab. >> jennifer: so you describe this as all stemming from then lawyer lewis powell who ultimately got appointed to the supreme court, extorting businesses. so are you suggesting that businesses stole the american dream? >> businesses are part of it absolutely. if you go back to your own state of michigan. go to charlie wilson who was head of general motors out there. he believed the job of the ceo was to support the interest of the stakeholders, not the shareholders. it includes the bankers, the
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customers, the flint michigan if you will of the world, and they tried to spread the wealth. share the wealth. the new bully of business is what i call wedge economics. you take care of the people at the top, the ceo, the top executives, the investors, and the people in the middle get stuck. if you look at the pay of the average male american work it is exactly as it was in 1978. that's three decades of the middle class going nowhere, while the ceos are making 300, 400% more so it happened in the economy and in politics and policy. >> jennifer: and we talk about that growing inequality here a lot, and the question is what do you do about it?
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you describe an era where there was something called a vertous circle. you paid your people enough to buy your products and felt connected to the community. how do you get back to that in this global economic? >> isn't that a wild idea? if you pay your people well everybody benefits. we have a slow economy. because we have slow consumer demand why? because the people at the top took all of the money. the answer is yes we can do that in the world today. look at germany. germany has faced the same problems we faced. they face india, china, and they have a trade surplus and --
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>> jennifer: well what is it that germany is doing that we're not doing? what can we follow? >> they are paying their middle class workers five times faster growth in their pay in the last 25 years than we paid. the management and labor are getting together to try to hold good high-tech jobs in germany. 21% of their work force is in manufacturing, only 9% of ours. they are working together to promote trade. the government sets up trade fairs, so middle sized german companies can trade in china and india and korea and taiwan. they work together instead of against each other. we have forgotten how to do that. >> jennifer: we have. we have. there is management and labor working together. i 100% agree with you, and i'm so glad that you wrote about it.
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that's hedrick smith. thank you so much for coming into "the war room." he is author of "who stole the american dream?." and hopefully you can read it and find some solutions. up next so we flew brett ehrlich up to san francisco tonight on the condition t tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt0733
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rks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us. ♪ >> jennifer: almost everything in washington, d.c. is a sales job, so the president has had to
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sell chuck hagel to congress and obamacare to the american people. he has had to sell a debate on his anniversary night to michelle. but the president's image, his face he has been selling a lot of less significant things around the globe for some time. and here to discuss that is our very own brett ehrlich. >> the president has been in a hot of advertisements. the first was from this week in israel has started running this ad of the president to get you to tune into their -- their coverage of the election and
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i'm tuning into someone to keep me up to date it is not someone who is thinking that people in america are still listening to boom boxes on their shoulder. >> jennifer: exactly. but he is also selling things like fast-food. >> yes, honk congress kfc had run thissed a for the president, and it involved a look-alike of the president. and a rogue fast food entree >> jennifer: you got it. [ cheers ] >> change not only for america, but the whole world, not only for your mom, but for you, your stomach, for better taste. [ speaking foreign ] >> change is good. [ cheers ]
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>> jennifer: that is insane. that is totally insane. >> the president of the united states was just crushed by a fish sandwich. it should be noted that kfc released a statement this was men as a spoof, and clearly the president made it out okay to enjoy the fish sandwich. now benton is an italian clothing line. and in 2011 they won best press campaign for this unhate campaign it is called where they photo shop world leaders kissing. here is the president kissing hugo chavez. which . . . okay. and then the president kissing tao. this is wrong not because
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