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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> welcome to "the young turks." we have bill o'reilly we'll have a little fun with him. and coming up in just a little bit, jesus in for paul ryan, newt gringrich ends up being a cyberstalker asking for nudie pictures who used to dress up as an elephant. and then in a lot of trouble because of her gun vote and conspiracy theories on the boston bombings all coming up.
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let's start on the boston bombings but not on the conspiracy theories. there are heartwarming moments coming out of the ways. one of the guys was the guy who had his shot, they asked him are you a hero? i love this. it's a little emotional. >> i look in the boat over here on the floor and i seen blood. then i just looked over there and there's more blood. >> they're calling you a national hero. >> incidental hero. i wasn't ought on the prowl. i was out to check on my boat. people are killed, kids, people-- [ sobbing ] >> cenk: what a sweet guy. he's the one who discovered d dzohkar tsarnaev in his boat.
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we go to tsarnaev's mother and here's what she had to say about what her sons might or might not have done. [ yelling ] >> cenk: she said my son was muslim. in other words they're just framing him because he's muslim. he didn't actually do it except for the fact that her son is in the hospital and confessed. that's a little inconvenient for her hypothesis. then on the other end of the spectrum we have bill o'reilly saying say it. you have to say it about the islamic extremism. >> it is clear that muslim jihadists are a threat to the world but president obama will not say that. >> we take care not to rush to adjustment not about the
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motivation of these individuals. certainly not about entire groups of people. >> but of course it's all about motivation, and it is about a specific group of people. president obama is wrong seriously wrong. president obama doesn't want to say the truth and the reason is politics. >> cenk: yeah, it's ironic that you would bring up politics. now look if some parts of bill o'reilly are right, of course. there are groups of extremists in the country who do terrorism all the time. they're christian right fund edgists egging on people like bill o'reilly. do you remember how many times he called a doctor, baby killer and then somebody shot him calling him a baby killer. that's the kind of extremism he eggs on all the time. now of course when it's somebody that's muslim, he says, i know it, it's all the muslims fault. chris moody has been on before
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with us, and all of these good folks are. linda, a prosecutor and private trial attorney and you know she represented spector and helen mirren played her on television, and then michael shure here on current television. let me ask you, is there value in fanagling this as islamic extremism. >> i also represented the kids in new jersey. whenever you start with racial profiling, you have a problem because yes there is a person that we have we're looking for. when you start with racial profiling that gets everybody
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incensed. >> cenk: chris, what do you think here, is obama going to buckle, he usually does. okay o'reilly, i'll call it islamic extremism. >> i think motivation is extremely important. it shows what kind of public policies reaction we should have. if anything we should it's not all the same. you have the unique attributes that's all part of it. we just found out two house panelspanels are holding hearings on friday about herb knee--chechnya extremeist. it seems that these guys who committed these crimes are not a part of a larger network of anything. but we have to look ask the questions and wonder if there is motivation of one group of people or another. >> cenk: if you're trying to ascertain what went wrong and fix it, if this is islamic
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extremism connected to a certain group and that group is likely to commit another attack, then there is group in it. when you say we have a lot of christian right wing attacks as well, perhaps we should have more than one person on homeland security. do you think o'reilly is driving towards that or is it the end product of what he wants to do is rile people up against muslims? >> yes, i mean listen, there is a sensationalist thing about bill o'reilly. going on with what chris said about the house hearings being held o'reilly said he wants the president to listen to him. but we all know the republican house representatives watch fox news and they go out and call this chechnya radicalism. we have not even debriefed the suspect enough to know if the house should talk about chechnya
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radicalism. this could be just two kids gone awry or one mosque that is influencing them. we don't know enough to have the house go there. i think the house is reacting to bill o'reilly and bill o'reilly is trying to get the president's attention. >> cenk: there is another topic. theone of many republicans voted against background checks. but in new hampshire they're not happy with that. voters say they're in favor of background checks. even among republican voters it's 56%. and those numbers aren't even as big as another poll that show 9 in 10 support background checks at gun shows. did that affect her numbers? this is the shocking part, boy
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did it affect her numbers. back in october approval, 48% disapproval 35%. that's great numbers. today, oh no, she's underwater, 44%. that's a yacht sinking if you will and 40% disapproval. in 2010 she won her race by 23%. if she oh ran again for democratic governor she would be down 2%. and kelly ayotte, less inclined to be voted and 25% less inclined. she has done significant damage to herself. are you priced at the price--surprised at the affect of her vote has had on her approval ratings. >> now it's a bluer state and
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ayotte should have been able to tow that line a little better knowing what the numbers were for background checks even in her home state. i'm not surprised by it and it's encouraging that even people who voted against this are suffering even in the polls right now. >> cenk: chris are people going to be spooked by these numbers. she dropped 21 point among moderates after the vote, and 66% of votes say they're less inclined to vote for her. that seems devastating. >> perhaps she's not up to be re-elected until 2016. it may an gift, but public opinions change very quickly just as we saw as you ran through those numbers. she has quite a bit of time to change things and turn things around. she's not gone. this is not a sitting senator that is going to be gone in
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in 2016. she has a long way to go, and i think at this point she's looking pretty good for re-election. >> let me say something to what chris is saying. her colleague are up in 2014 and she's one of the republicans who has a seat that is vulnerable. it will be tough for republicans to run statewide. it's a moment in time, as chris correctly said but this is something that could benefit from this. >> cenk: i thinker look, there's no way a politician isn't spooked by a 15-point drop immediately after a vote. if they vote on this again, god for bid if there is another tragedy or whenever they happen to vote on it again you think kelly ayotte isn't going to rethink her vote. >> yes, that goes for the republicans and the democrats. we had a small group of democrats that are up for re-election that did not support this. we saw baucus is not going to
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run again in 2014. if they run this vote one more time before the next re-election it will be fascinating to see if there's going to be any switch overs, but i'm not so it confident if they're going to have another vote any time immediately soon. >> cenk: yeah, i hear you. linda, they don't care. they think they they're going to lose their seat, then they worry. >> that's true. but you know, americans we forget. look at wiener in new york, and sandford in south carolina. this is an important issue. we can't forget about this issue. but if you think they're going to lose that voting number yes you're right. >> cenk: she didn't vote based on new hampshire. you remember how max baucus said why did you vote in this reaction? he said montana but the reality is 70% of people in montana want background checks.
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ayotte uses similar examples. people want background checks. the reason why they vote that way is because lobbyists special interests and money. if they could pay a price for that, that would be awesome. now when we come back we'll talk about drones. there is really powerful testimony about the effect it is has in yemen as a guy who is educated in america loves america, you got to hear him out. that's next. rights but still support the drug war you must be high. >> "viewpoint" digs deep into the issues of the day. >> do you think that there is any chance we'll see this president even say the words "carbon tax"? >> with an open mind... >> has the time finally come for real immigration reform? >> ...and a distinctly satirical point of view. >> but you mentioned "great leadership" so i want to talk about donald rumsfeld. >> (laughter). >> watch the show. >> only on current tv.
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>> i think we have to examine the use of drones the united states is involved in, and there are a lot of civilians who are killed in a drone attack in
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pakistan, in afghanistan, and in iraq. i can tell you having spent a lot of time over there young people will come up to me in the streets and say we love america. you harm one hair on the head of my sister, i will fight you forever. >> this past weekend veteran journalist tom brokaw suggests that our drone program was partly responsible for the rise in terrorism and in recruiting terrorists. we heard that from moving testimony in the senate from a guy named free an al. he loves it here. got a great education here. but when he testified a few days ago in the senate he said six days ago before that there was a bombing in yemen. he was under the drone.
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he said i couldn't believe it. he said, i'm a friend of america. don't do the drone strike but the people operating the drone couldn't hear him. he even wondered if there is a friend of mine that is operating that from when i studied in americans. >> i friendships and values experiences i described to the villagers helped them understand the america that i know and that i love. now however when they think of america they think of the terror they feel from the drones that hover over their heads ready to file missiles at any time. what violent militants had previously failed to achieve one drone strike accomplished in an instant. >> cenk: do you understand that? al-qaeda couldn't get people on their side so all the difference things they did including the bombing. but when we do a drone strike and we kill the wrong people in yemen, that entire village immediately turns against us. who do they turn to?
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they go to the open arms of al-qaeda. it's counterproductive, plus it's killing the wrong people. when he talked about that, i had to be honest with you, it's a fairly gruesome description. >> the drone strikes as the face of america to many yemens. i have spoken to many victims of the u.s. drone strikes. i recently in arden i spoke one of the dribble leaders present in 2009 at the place where the u.s. cruise missiles targeted the village. 40 civilians from killed including four pregnant women. the tribal leader and others tried to rescued victims but their bodies were so designated that it was impossible to differentiate between the women children and their animals. >> i'm going to bring a panel in here. we have chris moody linda bade,
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and michael shure from "the war room." i know some of the drone strikes are a no brain center terms of not doing them with the signature strikes where we kill people who we don't even know we're killing it's gruesome, and by the way, it's a war crime. but when you look at the overall picture, linda first of all is this the quote/unquote wrong time to talk about it when everybody says oh just kill them. or is this the perfect time to talk about it because look at what it's done. it's partly turned some people against us that might not have bombed us in the first place. >> i think it's the perfect time to talk about it because of the boston marathon bombings. we know about collateral damage done when someone thinks they're on a political bent right or wrong. with these drones it does create collateral damage. they're not pinpointed like we think they are.
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they're not. we have to think about that. we don't want to be responsible for killing these people and then having them turn against us and create more terrorists and more jihadists. that's counter productive. >> in yemen we have confirmed 44-54 drone strikes. old testament reported killed, 233-333. 12-45 civilians killed and and we've had 368 confirmed strikes. total killed, 2500 up to 3500. 411-884 civilians killed. look at that last line. 168-197 children killed. even though those numbers are that stark chris, is there really any appetite of republicans or democrats to change the drone program. >> let's unpack this a little bit.
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the purpose on the war on terror was two-fold. one to keep the united states safe. second to win hearts and minds. the question is, is this policy achieving both ends? that's something that the republicans and democrats need to debate. to your previous question, it's always a perfect time to be discussing our military abroad, what we're doing. the war on terror is typical. it's not a perfectly clean battlefield. whether or not there is appetite, i don't think so. there are so many things on the table that they're dealing with. they're arguethey are having hearings this week but if there is going to be policy change, that's hard to say. >> cenk: michael any way to get to president obama to slow down on the drones. yes, they're messy, well then
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don't do messy ones where you aren't sure who you're killing. >> your question is this the right time to be discussing this? yes, to echo what both linda and chris said, yes the white house doesn't discuss it. the covert nature of how this happens, and the misguided results we're getting out of this right now are doing the country no good. it's worth that discussion. because it operates in this cloak and dagger way within the walls of the white house that's where the problem happens. yes, i'm as pessimistic as you are about breaking through to the president on this one. >> cenk: now look in the next segment we're going to talk about the politics and bring back george bush. but before we do that i want to ask one unrelated questions. you're one of the top legal experts in the country how would you represent this zhokhar
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tsarnaev guy. >> it's only about the death penalty. number one, you have to let him cooperate because cooperation gets points in with the government. number two he has to shows that he was influenced by his brother. age doesn't do it. he ruined people's lives. that's the only way you can do t cenk. it's a monumental task. >> cenk: the best case video is a life sentence. >> best case scenario. >> cenk: when we come back, bush opens up his library and how it turns out. this republican intern is a cyberstalker, it looks like. iq will go way up. (vo) current tv gets the converstion started weekdays at 9am eastern. >> i'm a slutty bob hope. >> you are. >> the troops love me. (vo) tv and radio talk show host stephanie miller rounds out current's morning news block.
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>> you're welcome current tv audience for the visual candy. just be grateful current tv does not come in smellivision. the sweatshirt is nice and all but i could use a golden lasso. (vo) only on current tv.
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this show is about analyzing criticizing, and holding policy to the fire. are you encouraged by what you heard the president say the other night? is this personal or is it political? a lot of my work happens by doing the things that i am given to doing anyway. staying in tough with everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. not only does senator rubio just care about rich people but somehow he thinks raising the minimum wage is a bad idea for the middle class. but we do care about them, right? vo: the war room monday to thursday at 6 eastern >> cenk: all right, you're looking at the construction of the george w. bush library.
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such an enormous building. how many books could it possibly hold? all right and of course we have president bush himself who said some people are surprised i can even read. he literally said that recently. bush is not revealing some of the people who have donated to his he library. apparently they're a little embarrassed by it, so it's not public information. some polls have him rising after we forget what a clown he was. i don't know why i paused there. like it's a big scandal. approve, 47%. of course his disapprove is larger but that's one poll. if you look at nbc though, not quite as much, 35% still view him as positive, and 44% say negative or very negative. so those numbers are still pretty bad.
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when asked for an explanation president bush told the dallas morning news much of my presidency was not defined by what actually happened. well that's exactly right, of course. now we bring in the panel. any chance, chris that george bush recess states his reputation? >> of course. the man has nowhere to go but up. it was the lowest possible place he could be at that time. people will start to look back at his legacy, which is a mixed legacy which i think one could argue. republicans will argue that he was the greatest living president of all time. >> cenk: i don't think even they can argue that. not with a straight face. >> they say he's the greatest living president george w. bush. you'll have that and people demonizing him.
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it is a mixed record. there is good and bad. but over time you'll see it go up and it will never be as low as it was on his last day of office. >> cenk: hard to argue with that, it was 28% it's disastrous. i'm going to read you a whole bunch of quotes. these are all awesome. i'm not interested in finger pointing or self-pity which leads you to believe he has self-pity. clinton would never say that. he's kind of proud. but when asked if he's confident in decisions. >> yes i'm confident the decisions were made the right way. i'm comfortable with what i did i. okay okay, finally he said, i'm comfortable with who i am. how many times is he going to say it. as you listened to this interview isn't it obvious that he didn't entirely comfortable with who he is and he has a little bit of self-pity
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photographer his eight years in office? >> yes, chris is a great reporter and he's towing the line but this is absurd that you have a president who is on the defensive on the eve of his library being opened. george w. bush, presidential library, which is frankly the longest oxymoron ever carved in granite. i think when you italy of these numbers, five years after any president who is alive now their numbers have gone on dramatically to be 50%, 35% one of those polls. that's an embarrassment for this president. i think he has to know it. it's a strange boondoggle. it's a necessary one. i don't fault the people who support it. i don't fault president bush for it, but when you hear the things he said it's unusual to hear the president on the defensive the way he is. he knows he's up against a lot of people here who are not happy with how he was at president.
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>> cenk: linda one more quote. it's tom benning describing his days. among his most pressing concerns was whether his--and he talked about his tenure such as michael bike riding and painting. meanwhile jimmy carter is facing disease. >> we really have to get back to the issue here about who are the funders for the library. i want to know what archives what documents didn't get into the library? the archivists and the directors and maybe even george bush, maybe they said things couldn't come in because of national security and then when we know that we should know the fund,
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maybe there was a reason why certain things didn't make it into the library. >> cenk: will cheney's vaults be put in the library. man-sized vault. in fact, they're having a falling out and apparently dick cheney will not be featured very much in the library at all. let me give a quote about that from bush. he said, you know it's been god actual about their relationship together but he lives in washington and we live in dallas, and i don't see the people i worked with much, it's sad but it's great to be in texas, however. chris, as you look at that, some drama at the end there between cheney and bush, and apparently that resist is still fairly significant? >> it's hard to say from this perch but i was at the reagan library, and i didn't see any mention of his vice president much either. i don't know how much vice presidents play a role.
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reagan didn't profile his very highly. if there is a resist, i think it will come out in time and it will be fun to see what happens. >> cenk: and cheney is not shy about criticizing bush either. it will be fascinating from linda's point if there is a cheney library an underground bunk. >> of course it would be hidden. there actually is one but no one could get to. the dan quayle center was going to be set up as a vice president library. it went out of business. nobody could get there. it's a ironic footnote to history. >> cenk: i love that story. that's awesome. it's horrible because of what did he, but you can't help but be slightly amused by this story. a kid who is 21 years old he has worked with newt gringrich paul ryany paul ryan's campaign being paul ryan's sole
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representative, i don't know what he meant by that. there he is with paul ryan. he was also ellis the elephant, the guy who would dress up in an elephant costume when newt and c calista gingrich were trying to sell their book. now he's charged with cyberstalking. he hacked into the e-mails allegedly, of 15 women that he knew from his area, from his college, and threatened if they didn't send more nude pictures he would post their nude pictures online. chris, you know about this. on a scale of disastrous political stories 1-10, where does this go? >> 11. it's an obscure story of a 21-year-old intern who really lost his way. he reminds me of a lot of young people who come to washington--not with the cyberstalking stuff, but a real
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go getter. he wants to meet as many politicians and famous people as he can and he wants to be associated with them and feel like he's part of the program. that's what he's doing. unfortunately at the end of the day he was cyberstalking these women and threatening to spread their nude pictures which he had accumulated over time apparently a lot of young women do this, put them online or in private accounts online and he was able to hawk them allegedly hack them and get access to them. the strangest detail i thought other than being ellis the elephant, he threatened one woman to send it to the republican national committee. that's not something that you see every day in an affidavit. >> cenk: i mean, that's hilarious, what kind of a weird threat is that? how much are you giving yourself away that you are a weird republican and it's so important that i'll send it to the national committee. >> there was one detail if the woman did not send more pictures or he would send around her nude pictures if she did not accept
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his friend request on facebook. this is what the affidavit alleged. and ellis the elephant, i met him at cpac earlier this year and he told me that he was ellis. that's where the story came from in yahoo news. >> chris met him when he had his picture taken with chris. >> i don't believe there is a picture out there but if i get an e-mail that he'll send it to the republican national committee i would be wary. >> cenk: cyberstalking and extortion. >> yes, as much as i can guess you got a lot of women out there, but as a defense attorney you're going to find him in a place where he's getting treatment right now. next it will be where he's getting treatment, and i'm so sorry. i can tell you that's coming. >> cenk: okay, all right. we're going to have to leave it right there.
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now when we come back--thank you everybody on the panel linda baden, chris moody, michael shure, you were fantastic. when we come back there is new conspiracy theories about how tsarnaev brothers did not do the boston and it involves--of course. we'll explain when we come back. rights but still support the drug war you must be high. >> "viewpoint" digs deep into the issues of the day. >> do you think that there is any chance we'll see this president even say the words "carbon tax"? >> with an open mind... >> has the time finally come for real immigration reform? >> ...and a distinctly satirical point of view. >> but you mentioned "great leadership" so i want to talk about donald rumsfeld. >> (laughter). >> watch the show. >> only on current tv.
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you know who is coming on to me now? you know the kind of guys that do reverse mortgage commercials? those types are coming on to me all the time now. (vo) she gets the comedians
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laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking? current tv is the place for true stories. with award winning documentaries that take you inside the headlines. real, gripping, current. documentaries... on current tv. >> cenk: welcome to the u block. there is president obama on his way to go to the ceremonies tomorrow at the presidential library opening for george w.
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bush. i mean, the whole thing is a joke. shana, our digital producer, and we've got something that's absurd. it's not funny because it's about the boston bombings, but it's absurd conspiracy theories about the guy who survives, dzhokhar tsarnaev, the 19-year-old who goes by khar. all of this is connected to alex jones, but that happened to the older brother tamerlan tsarnaev tsarnaev.: tamerlan took an interest to conspiracy wars. >> well, you knew that it was coming. sooner or later that's right info is now being connected to the becoming patsy suspects. that's right.
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they're saying that tamerlan was influenced by shadowy radical evil. >> cenk: so shana as i look at this as usual i'm confused by alex. their patsy suspects and there is a conspiracy theory connected to alex jones. but-- >> it's still all about alex jones. i don't know if he cares or if he--it seems like mostly what he wants this to be a story about is alex jones and an advertisement for info wars. >> cenk: isn't it crazy that he thinks it's an advertisement yes, these terrorists are connected to me now. but of course they shouldn't be connected to him but people really believe this, shana? he has a lot of followers online. >> i think it's fair to call it
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that is there enough substance that it is called a conspires theory. >> cenk: the government should not encroach on our privacy too much, and it often does. and libertarians like rand paul believe that and progressives like bernie sanders agrees with that. then alex takes it to an insane level. the government encroaches on our privacy, and they got together and obviously did a situation in boston, and blamed it on the chechnyaen kids. and then they were going to blame this on the tea party. but when it turns out they did because they were chechnyaens. >> right, they were wrong. no i loved the internet. the internet is my favorite thing that we've done in this world so long. this is the kind of story that makes mess di despair of the
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internet. this is the down side. all of these people who have these great ideas, they can crowd source and fact checking and we saw great fact checking during the election, and then you see the worse of it here where people want an answer, a story, a narrative. they're coming up with stories they are stories. they're narratives that take us from point a to point b to point c and do it with such little information that it doesn't make sense. i think there is that place and it takes up a lot of the internet where that's all you need question, question, question. >> cenk: you know, it's a massive collection of people. there are a lot of nuts out there. >> loud. >> cenk: you know 4% of the country believe lizard people really rule us. 4%. now speaking of the crazies there is a new brand of people
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who think dzhokhar is innocent. >> they're putting fact checking free dzhokhar. there are people who are putting his name on their hearts, theirists, and it's mixed in with the criticism course of what happened. >> cenk: oh, did you know the military was in the area. yes, there was the national guard for the boston marathon--of course there was. there was a woman who wanted to marry timothy mcveigh. james holmes has a suitor now. stop it! we're goofing around a little bit about it because it's so crazy but he killed an eight-year-old kid, a woman and a cop, and now the free dzhokhar
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tsarnaev movement? >> the best of social media in the wake of this bombing was people questioning and thinking is this true? do we think the guys are muslim? do we think it happened here? but you have to be just as skeptical of the conspiracy theories if not extra more. >> cenk: u block everybody. when we come back, an old associate of bill clinton with a very interesting new movie about gay rights. we'll be right back.
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this show is about analyzing criticizing, and holding policy to the fire. are you encouraged by what you heard the president say the other night? is this personal or is it political? a lot of my work happens by doing the things that i am given to doing anyway. staying in tough with everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. not only does senator rubio just care about rich people but somehow he thinks raising the minimum wage is a bad idea for the middle class. but we do care about them, right? vo: the war room monday to thursday at 6 eastern >> i hope from this day forward we can be a nation coming together not growing apart. i hope we acknowledge that each child in our country is as important as our own. i believe these things are possible. i still believe in the promise of america. and i still believe in a place called hope.
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>> cenk: now that was an interesting documentary called "a man from hope," and it was about bill clinton done in 1992. in fact, it introduced at the 1992 convention. now one of the producers now has "bridegroom." let me show you the trailer of that as well. >> he fell to his death from a four-story apartment building. >> seriously, who dies like that? >> i don't want to ever go through again. >> the love of my life, the person i was with for almost six years and i'm not allowed to
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attend his funeral. >> i saved him a program because he's the love of john's life. unfortunately, he wasn't mentioned in it. >> it's not a gay thing. it's not a straight thing. it's a human thing. >> cenk: all right now joining us producers of that documentary, linda blood worth tomorrowtomlins and shane, who is in the movie. >> thank you for having us. >> cenk: so first, if you can walk us through what the story is here. >> well basically i was in a relationship for six years with the love of my life. his name was tom. you know, we had a home together. we started a business together. we had every intention of spending the rest of our lives together. but in 2011 he accidently fell off of our best friend's
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building, and he passed away. his mom came to l.a. and took his body back to indiana. they banned me from the funeral. they told me if i showed up that i would be physically hurt. >> cenk: hmm, you know linda, a lot of people say listen, there's a lot of progress in gay rights and things are getting much better, what is the hubbub about? when you worked on this movie, you know, did you get a different perspective on that, obviously, and what do you think is the state of gay rights in america today? >> i toldly get what all the hubbub is all about. when millions of people are denied their human rights, i think that's worth stirring dust up about. i had met shane and tom several years before tom passed away.
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by coincidence they sat at my table. they were "designing women" fans. i had directed that program. my husband said, they're so charming. i hope they get married one day. then i saw about tom's dying and how shane was being treated that way. i called him and i said, come in. i think you and tom are the double that we can hang this issue on because the gay community really didn't have their love story. i so believe in the power of sentiment changing hearts and minds. i think everybody made up their mind intellectually, philosophically and even reasonable-wisereligion-wise where they stand. i thought a film might change the minds of those who sit on the fence.
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decent, hard working don't drink, totally faithful, what a great love story. >> cenk: shane, i want to play a clip from the movie and get your reaction to it. it's hurtful and personal, i want to get your comment on it. >> after tom and i went on a walk. she put her arm around tom and said welcome to the family. >> people talk about him, and wouldn't understand love of it. >> people think if they go to church and everything, that god will take care of it. they can be just like all the rest of the guys until we can't get through to them. to tell you the truth, i'm tired of hearing about it. so they're not "romeo and juliet." >> that's right. they're romeo and romeo get over it. >> cenk: shane, i love your grandma. that's such a great clip. but there are parts of the movie where you're not accepted by his family at all.
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how much does that hurt, and what can you do about it? >> yeah, i mean, tom and i had the philosophy that there was no need to come out to our families until we fund that--we found that person that we wanted to spend the rest of our life with and marry. for me, my family was supportive. you know i'm from montana and my family is very conservative, so to have tom's family from indiana just have them, you know so against our relationship i mean, it was hard. tom, we showed that he was a remarkable human being. he was the top of his class. he's so bright and so many things as a parent you should be proud of. but this one thing the fact of who he loved prevented them from completely supporting him and accepting him. >> cenk: all right, one last thing, linda super quick.
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president clinton signed the defensive marriage act and don't ask/don't tell. has he made enough amends for that? >> well, i think the president has--is a pragmatist, and he did what he had to do to get as far as he can with what he believes through the years. he did what he needed to do in the 90s and he's doing what he needs to do right now to urge the supreme court to strike that down. his support of the film was phenomenal. i sent it to him long before it was finished and he gave me creative notes on it. heit was really great. >> cenk: we'll leave it right there. linda and shane. thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. we'll be right back on "the young turks." >> only on current tv.
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