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fun. it's on the and you can at youtube, you can watch us there too. "viewpoint" is next. bye bye. >> john: thank you, turks. good evening friends. oscar grant was an unarmed 22-year-old shot to death in oakland. a new film about the last 24 hours of his life won the audience award and prize at sundance and one of the finest american films of the decade. the movie's director and star join us in studio. also do you remember a few years back when the pope discussed the sex scandals that was mean. and a priest comes out of the closet. and saying dumb, mean things about the student loan crisis,
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and tucker will not be spared. cindy thiessan, and david deenkens, and sophia happy birthday. and we'll discuss wtf america, this is "viewpoint." >> john: good evening, i'm john fugelsang. this is "viewpoint." early on january 1, 2009, an unarmed black man was shot in the back on a crowded bay area rapid transit flat form in oakland, california. he he was held flat on his stomach when he was shot and
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then later that night he died. passengers on the train cap it on camera. and we followed oscar grant's final 24 hours. the viewer really gets a chance to know him his hopes his dreams and too human shortcomings before tragedy starts. >> hey oscar how are you. >> i'm good. happy new year. >> oscar. >> oscar? [ yelling ] >> get off right now! put that phone away. >> are you still on the train? >> why don't you tell me what is going on! what is the problem! what did he do! >> oh my gosh! >> brian kuler wrote and directed the film to win the
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sundance film prize and audience award. melanie plays oscar's girlfriend in the film. welcome to "viewpoint"." >> thank you. >> thank you for having us. >> john: thank you. all bs aside i think it's one of the best american films of this decade. it's stunning and congratulations for such a beautiful work of art like this. a new study that has been published shows that murder is the leading cause of death for young african-american men. more than suicide, accidents and disease combined. african-american men are six times more likely to be murdered than young caucasian males. what made oscar grant's case so different? >> different from other-- >> john: from all the many murders of young black men that we hear reported or never gets reported. >> the biggest thing that was different was that it was recorded, it was taped. all the people on that train, on
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that platform who recorded on their cellphones that day they made those later on witness to it. and oftentimes that's not the case when people are murdered. i think that made this case a little different. >> john: i was at occupy oakland not too long after this happened. by that time oscar grant was assuming folkloric stature and becoming a bit of a legends. considering how seamlessly you shot the footage, and the story of a young guy who can't stop screwing up and trying to stay out of trouble. and the women in this film who keep trying to save this young man and keep him from making these mistakes. you played his girlfriend beautifully, and his mom is played by oscar winner octavia
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spencer. what is it like to meet the real-life survivors who are still dealing with this prim loss? >> it's a lot pressure, of course responsibility. like we're making a movie, it's entertainment, but it's really someone's life. a couple of years people will be watching this movie, and i wanted to make sure to deliver that was honest, authentic and true to this family. it's intense. she had been through a lot and it sucks. she's alone to raise a child alone. yes, i think if she does see this movie she'll be happy with it. >> john: she has not seen it yet? >> she has not even the footage. she chose not to even look at that. she was there for us as a resource during the film and before during research, she sat down with melanie tatiana and me and we stayed close to them throughout the process but she doesn't want to watch the film.
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>> john: that's you understandable. has the family gotten any strength that this film has received such wide acclaim. winner at cannes sundance, does this ease their suffering at all? >> we were at the oakland screening because i was nervous about it because there is a lot of anger. but in a way there was relief. i feel that people are really proud of this movie and giving oscar a voice and giving his humanity back. i think there is a good feeling there. >> i think that they said extremely kind things about the film and especially the performance of the actors that are portrayed in the film, representations that exist in their lives. that was an important thing to me that we were able to capture the essence of those people being honest in our depiction of them.
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but it's an incredibly difficult film for them to watch not only because of the events of that day, not only because they have to relive that when they look at t but also because oscars struggles are at the forefront of the film, the things that he was dealing with, things that they may not have been most proud of we dealt with as well. but his mom his uncle sisters friends were there on the platform, they say positive things about it. >> john: i would like to add more context. the bart cop said he claims he tried to grab his taser when he grabbed his gun instead. he had a two-year sentence. thethe police uncuffed oscar after bees shot which is standard procedure. what was the writing process like for you sifting through all the information and misinformation, and how did you
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get involved with his legal team. >> i was back in the bear area when this happened. i was on christmas break. i was going to usc. i had the idea to maybe make a film about it because what happened in that trial when it was politicized people chose sides. heparsons was held up as this "con who never did anything wrong in his life. and on the other side, every mistake that oscar made in his life. he was a thug, a criminal, he got what he deserved. >> john: i want to ask in making any real life story you have to embellish some areas to better tell the truth. are there any i am embellishesments in this film? >> i started with the court
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documents. that's all i had because they were still going through the case. i sat down with the court and oscar's day was very easy to track. he was pretty much around his family the whole time. it happened to be his mom's birthday. he spent a little bit of time by himself, and i talked to sophia about what he had done, but there were places where we took poetic license. but it was all based on research. >> john: right on, well, you mentioned that he wasn't a saint, and most of the critics have really applauded you for the very balanced portrayal of his character. i think the variety said it was too saintly of he was but i disagree. this guy who wants to do right but he scant stop screwing up. there are those on fox or news channels might say that he had it coming. he served time. he had a child out of wedlock.
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he dealt weed before. what does oscar's story say about the limited opportunities of young black men and i want to ask both of you having been through the experience of making this film, how do you think society or government could have helped him more? >> that's really a test question. going back to society and oscar grew up in an area i'm very familiar with in the bay area. he was basically a product of his environment. he had a relationship with his father his entire life. he had been incarcerated before he was born, and he's incarcerated to this day. he was definitely a product of where he was from. and unfortunately his life ended in a way so many young african-american males end. as a result of gun violence having his life taken away by someone on the other end of a trigger. i think that's one of the biggest issues that young
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african-american males deal with in society. turning out to be a statisticker, growing up young and black you know the leading cause of the way you're going to have your life ended is both early and through gun violence. nine times out of ten it will be someone who looks just like you. the other time it could be someone who is paid to protect you. so it's a very different reality coming up in this situation. >> john: and this is something that we don't see in films or tv. it's like the end of the "boys in the hood" when ice cube gets on the tv and says, they don't know and they don't care. real people, flawed people who are trying to make a better life in the country, that's why i think it's a great piece of american cinema. melanie, i want to ask you you guys actually shot on the very platform where he was murdered. >> yes. >> john: what was it like filming late at night in the exact same spot? >> um, well the ghosts are definitely still there.
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you know, we shot four hours for three days each when the bart station was closed. you know, there is some lead to it. we all came prepared. we knew we had to do it in in a certain amount of time. it was heavy but we got through it. >> what we did on that day is everybody who was involved with the project from cast and crew members to even the broiler plate, the safety monitors, we all gathered in a circle, had a moment of silence before we worked. everybody was extra focused. it was out of reverence at that point of the scene of the film. >> john: making a film is an intensely personal process what is it like to release this film about this gun death of this young black man during the same
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week that we're seeing the trayvon martin flared all over the tv screens. do you see resonance? >> it comes up a lot in interviews and people talking about the film. it's really interesting because oscar was killed four years ago now, and we went into production on the film while i was writing the script. that was in january of 2013. when we came out of the screen writers lab and started casting the film, trayvon was killed-- >> 2012, you mean? >> exactly, january of 2012. trayvon was killed in february of 2012. so it was really a situation of coincidence and in many ways it speaks to the fact that these things continue to happen. not just young black males not the same fashion that oscar was killed in, but this happens all the time. look what happens in chicago in
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the bay area. it's massive loss of life. >> john: it's preventable. it's not racial, it's economic. it's preventable and society allows it to keep on happening. the film is opening this week. what are your hopes? do you think cinema can open the minds and eyes of a culture to have an honest dialogue on racial issues? >> absolutely. it will be resonating with people. oscar was 22, we've all been 22, we all have messed up. we know what it's like to fall, come up and redeem and i think it will be effective. the other thing is we have the power to change, and we have the power to make a decision. what i find interesting is oscar, the last day of his life, he wanted to be by his family, and i think i hope kids can watch and know that they have a choice to walk away or be
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better. >> john: i know you've done a lot of q and as for the movie what has the been the difference in questions from caucasian audience to african-american audience. >> they tend to be largely similar. there isn't a large differentiation in the types of questions that they have and the response that they have. more than anything this film is not about a shooting. it's about a guy and his relationships, and the relationship drama and the most three important people in his life happen to be his girlfriend his daughter, and his mom. everybody knows what it's like to have a mom, and we all know what it's like to be in love with someone and some know what it's like to have a child. regardless of background, ethnicity demographic financial up bringing, can see the film and see a little bit of themselves in the character their relationships in the
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character, and in terms of spartan dialogue any artist, the hopes that we can make something that people will watch and engage with and think about afterwards. that's all we can ask for. if you walk away from the film thinking about the issues, thinking about their own relationships and their own issues. that would be great thing to take away from the film. >> it's a great thing for america to see. not to over play it, but you don't see movies made like this. and for a first feature my hat off to you and your crew. the opens in friday in select cities and goes nationwide on july 26th. i would not lie to you about films you should see, thank you for being with us and best of luck. >> thank you. >> john: okay, up next is an inspirational man of the cloth. a priest who is out loud and proud, the the inciteful gay and not
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>> john: welcome back. so the few weeks ago we had our next guest on this program. he's a truly courageous and inspiring figure. gary meyer. he is a catholic preys who acknowledged his gay orientation orientation. at first he published his work anonymously. then he republicked it using his own name outing himself to the world. here to discuss his journal and the reaction to the supreme court decisions we're welcome to welcome back father gary meyer. >> thank you. >> john: the last time we talked to you the supreme court pretty much threw out doma and prop 8. >> yes, pretty exciting for the country and civil rights for gay and lesbian couples around the country. it's an skiing time for sure.
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>> john: what is the ability for gay americans to marry mean to you as a celibate? >> great question. i'm not sure that it means anything more than it meant beforehand. what it does do is it gives gay couples permission to marry, and we've seen reports that society has put forth there is an awful lot of populous that has acceptance to gay couples. and the more acceptance we give to gay couples the more acceptance we give to gay teens. >> john: what about the clergy. >> the clergy who are friends of mine, in the end we're talking about individual rights and protections under the law which the church supports efforts to do that. the catholic church has always been in the past, and has in
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history been out there promoting human rights for people and protections under the law and in fact, they see the government's role as doing just that protecting citizens from injustices. so that's what the supreme court decisions do. i look at it also as celebrating relationships. so it's a time to celebrate. >> do you think this ruling will 'em boldenembolden more to speak out. >> i know some theologians are speaking long those lines and voicing their opinion this is a civil rights issue and it's not about defining marriage, but protecting rights of citizens in this country. so will it inspire other priests gay or straight, to speak in the same light? i don't know. i hope so. >> john: well, let's talk about priest number one. pope francis, of course, back on june 6th was quoted as having said the gay lobby is mentioned and it is true in a private
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audience confirming what many suspected for years. there is a kabul of high rinking gay clergy within the vatican. that is something that has been universally known but never acknowledged by the pontiff. how huge is that? >> i don't know. my closest is in a vatican tour. >> john: we've all grown up knowing gay priests. you're celibate across the books. that's something else i want to talk to you about but to have this pope acknowledge there are gay priests. this is incremental which before in argentina before becoming pope, this was a pope who argued for gay unions so do you have
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optimism. >> this is the same pope when he was cardinal in argentina said that gay marriage was an affront to world peace. >> john: there is that. >> he is a far different papacy in attitude than the previous pontiff. >> john: of course. how rigid do priests follow the celibacy rule? we hear rear view mirrorrers that gay priests have boyfriends. and the last pope try to blame the sex scandals on gay priests i which was really unchristian of him, but do you think the celibacy rule is something that we'll see modified in our lifetime? >> there are a lot of questions but i don't think so. the pope at any time could turn that around and say the priests are allowed to get married. that will not include gay relationships but would open the
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possibility. that's one piece. the priests i know live lives of integrity. the ones that i know and i find supportive in my close group of friends, we all live lives of integrity and celibacy. that's not the issue for probably most of the priests. there are some that don't. >> john: well, can you give our viewers a little bit about what your journey to the priesthood entailed? how did you find your becoming a man of the cloth? >> um, you know, for me it was just a long story trying to make it short. there were two moments of conversion in my story. the first being the acceptance of my orientation as homosexual. the second being when i stopped using drugs and alcohol and started a life of recovery. it was in that life of recovery that i found a reconnect with the spiritual life, and that's what drove me to consider priesthood.
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>> john: you had a ministry before you were ordained? >> sort of, but not an official ministry. i went years drinking and drugging without any sort of spiritual identify or spiritual life. one of the foundations of staying in recovery is to have spirituality as a keystone, cornerstone. that's when the thought i had maybe i should consider it. >> john: what is next for you sir? >> i wish i knew. >> john: you're studying now. >> i'm studying at the university of st. louis working on my masters of counseling. i have another two years to do that depending on how many classes i take a semester. that's why we'll see. >> john: is that why you're not wearing the clerical collar, for some of our viewers. >> i would say mass in that capacity, by rarely would i wear a rome collar. >> john: many nuns nuns do the same
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thing. i would like to thank you for sharing your humanity here on "viewpoint." it's great to get your thoughts on where we are at with the church. now we go to wyoming where they did the right thing then they didn't. stick around. my own nuance on it. in reality it's not like they actually care. this is purely about political grandstanding. i've worn lots of hats, but i've always kept this going. i've been doing politics now for a dozen years. (vo) he's been called the epic politics man. he's michael shure and his arena is the war room. >> these republicans in congress atlantic ocean border and pacific ocean border. the bloggers and the people that are sort of compiling the best of the day. i do a lot of looking at those people as well. not only does senator rubio just care about rich people, but somehow he thinks raising the minimum wage is a bad idea for the middle class. but we do care about them right?
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>> john: and tonight on wtf wyoming we salute the city of casper for instituting a ban or indoor smoking and then totally repealing the ban. you see, bar owners were complaining they were losing business to competitors in nearby towns that allowed smoking. of course, these bar owners could keep their customers by classing up the joints but come on obtaining rights to a hooter hooters franchise is expensive. yes, it is a slippery slope my friends. one day your state has reduced the risk of lung cancer, and then the next thing you know they're reducing the risk of diabetes and then we're living in a dystopian nightmare of health and well-being. actually casper is a rare example of a smoking ban being
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repealed. a new crop of casper city council members elected last fall made the difference as proud as they are of their achievement, they are unable to comment on their story due to a faulty short-circuit in the mechanical larynx devices attached to their throats. wtf, wyoming, i know there are many reasons you could give for making your state less healthy b you can't call yourself pro-life. coming on to me all the time now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking?
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>> john: immigration reform which seemed so hopeful just a few days ago doesn't look so hopeful today. it seems to be the sentiment held among house republicans as they gather in a special immigration meeting. now while many republicans were looking to fix their problems with latino voters by creating a pathway to citizenship, they forgot that most of the house republicans are conservative white guys who really would rather just put up stronger walls to keep dark skinned immigrants out. and former president george w.
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bush spoke today held at his library in dallas. >> the laws governing the immigration system aren't working. but i do hope there is a positive resolution to the debate. and i hope during the debate that we keep a benevolent spirit in mind, and we understand the contributions immigrants make it our country. >> john: he looks like a healthy man at piece with his legacy. now here to weigh in on this new turn of events is my wonderful and witty panel. comedian host of "open lines" which premieres tonight on 10:00 p.m. on the siriusxm raw dog channel ben kissel. correspondent for and host of the podcast "how was your week" julie clausner. and comedian and author of"
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moment of clarity. lee camp. i'm glad to have you here. is immigration reform doa? we're all white. let's discuss it. >> was that the first time george w. bush was ever in a library? >> john: he has been in his own library when they opened it pup. >> it's like having the mel gibson center of racial sensitivity. >> john: remember, he is has fought for i immigration reform. >> he looked so beaten, he has gotten to the point fine, let them in. >> john: and it's seem for him to be addressing a group of people who weren't soldier who is were sent off to be maimed. do you think lee, at this point the republican party has killed the republican party's hopes of immigration reform? >> they might have and i think
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that's what happens when you don't have a moral center. when it's just about the votes. they're now realizing the house republicans are now realizing that it could hurt them because they live in all-white districts, the gerrymandering has been quite good, so they don't want to pass it. >> it's always the dark-skinned immigrants. nobody had a problem with-- >> the swedish coming over. >> john: i'm sure the indigenous people had protest. >> they started the war with the ikea. the invasion is coming. i promise. it starts if furniture. >> i have a boyfriend who would never leave ikea without fighting. >> john: ann coulter said something that i agree with. she said, i can see why bringing 30 million new democratic voters would be good for democrats but how does it help republicans? lee, she has a point doesn't she? >> first of all, can we address the numbers she cites are
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ridiculous. they're not all going to vote democratic. but she has a point. there are going to be more democratic points. and you can say pretty racial stuff and if you have a pretty face you can get away it on tv. >> john: finally. >> controversy this is the new schism with our g.o.p. friends. you can't get to the white house without the latino vote. but a lot of these folks don't want to legalizes lats because they'll vote democrat. marco rubio went to saying this is my number one issue to saying, let me tell but abortion. is this a lose-lose with republicans. >> they're all catholic. all you have to do is not hate them and they'll vote for you. at their heart they're more conservative than people give them more credit for.
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>> you can always tell if someone hates you. dogs go to someone who likes dogs just to compare. >> john: ann coulter just offered a blogging job. we move to republicans alienateing women. more on the battlefields in the war on women. in texas wendy davis filibustered to defeat a bill and the final vote could be introduced to the senate on friday. and north carolinaing where they tried to sneak an anti- anti-abortion into a bill about sharia law they tried to restrict abortion rights into a totally different measure, a motorcycle safety law. is it particularly egregious that these politicians are throw throwing in earmarks pertain to go women's rights. or will these be passed. >> it's gotten pretty ugly, but
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the laws, most of them, are coming from the aul americans united for life. this is from outside of the state. this is not the state speaking. they give niece laws pre-written to the senate and say here it is. >> rick per yes is speaking. rick perry won't shut up. >> john: are these g.o.p. folks they know these laws may never pass. if it passes in texas. >> there will only be five more abortion clinics. >> john: it will be tied up in lawsuit for years. is the g.o.p. serious about ending abortion, or is rick perry serious about appealing to the g.o.p. base. >> i save babies. he can deliver that line. >> john: they don't want immigrants but why do they want all these babies. >> they hate women. >> john: do you think that?
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>> i really do, i think they have a contempt for women deep in their black hearts. >> john: do women who abort pregnancies deserve jail. >> i think that notion is so orwellian. i don't want to laugh because i want to cry. >> john: one thing is for sure it's not going away any time soon. it will continue to divide us and these parties will continue to get a lot of money. but. sexism is back. stick around. >> i think it's brilliant. (vo) first, news and analysis with a washington perspective from an emmy winning insider. >> i know this stuff, and i love it. (vo) followed by humor and politics with a west coast edge.
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bill press and stephanie miller. >> what a way to start the day.
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this show is about analyzing criticizing, and holding policy to the fire. are you encouraged by what you heard the president say the other night? is this personal, or is it political? a lot of my work happens by doing the things that i'm given to doing anyway, by staying in touch with everything that is going on politically and putting my own nuance on it. in reality it's not like they actually care. this is purely about political grandstanding. i've worn lots of hats, but i've always kept this going. i've been doing politics now for a dozen years. (vo) he's been called the epic politics man. he's michael shure and his arena is the war room. >> these republicans in congress that think the world ends at the atlantic ocean border and pacific ocean border. the bloggers and the people that are sort of compiling the best of the day. i do a lot of looking at those people as well. not only does senator rubio just care about rich people, but somehow he thinks raising the
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minimum wage is a bad idea for the middle class. but we do care about them right? >> john: we can't conceal our contempt. we're turning to a topic that is so chuck full of good taste i don't know where to start. robin, a young man who grew up in the challenging light of his father's wealth on the mean streets of malibu. he overcame many hurdles to become a songwriter in his own right. comedian ben kissel, julie klausner and lee camp, the catchy hit "blurred lines." [♪ singing ♪]
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>> john: okay, i know you want it. i know you want it. if it was entitled no means yes it might have more controversy. >> i want to see that car in the toy story movie. >> shut up. >> john: do cars normally roll down women's backsides like this. >> i didn't see that video. i saw the one that was naked. >> john: that is the clean version that youtube allowed. in the banned version women are wearing nothing but flesh-colored thongs. >> congratulations, you got models to pretend to like you because you paid them to show up to work one day? wow, that's impressive. that's so baller of you. >> john: is it sexist or is it just fun? >> well, yes it's sexist, but i feel bad for musicians. you can't shock people any more. david bowie's last video is
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about jesus in a pool of blood. they get on their knees saying, please be shocked. >> john: robin did this knowing that it would be banned and we would talk about it, and it would promote his song. >> it's about date rape. >> john: it's rapey. it is a rapey song. >> rapey. >> that's what rapey is. >> john: and every tv show we're watching wendy williams, is it rapey, too rapey not rapey? am i allowed to be more offended that we have a cute adjective for a violent crime against women? when did rapey become allowed to be a lexicon? >> absolutely. >> john: to describe rapey the song as rapey. rapey is a cutesy word for a heinous criminal act. that is true. what do you think? do we not take rape seriously
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that a song, i know you want it. i know you want it, you know, do you find this objectionable. >> i'm completely comfortable with being called up tight and i find it objectionable. rapey, at least we're having this conversation as opposed to bopping along to the lyrics. >> listen, i don't think the song is acceptable at all but we grew up with britney spears singing "baby, hit me baby one more time." i grew up with that. >> john: let me put to you the real problem with the song. you're a good girl, but there is a bad girl inside of you and gq saying hey is this degrading to women? of course it is. what pleasure it is to degrade a woman. i've never gotten to do that before. i always respected women. in light of the fact that he always treated women with
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respect prior to this, i guess it's okay. but the whole notion in these interviews inside of every good girl there is a bad girl. he's implying that women who have control of their own sexuality. >> in theory. >> john: and free agency are bad. good girls don't have sex. if you have sex, you're a bad girl. and there are women who enjoy their sexuality, but they don't want to sleep with you. am i being old? >> my test of rapey or not. he is the son of alan thick one of the most attractive men in television history. >> john: a very nice guy. >> yes, if you read the lyrics and hear the words if you don't see what he looks like and the lyrics make you feel uncomfortable, then it's rapey. but imagine the--there is a movie called "maniac," a hideous monster, if he said the same
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lines that robin thick say, tell the fact that he's attractive he gets away from it. >> on the other side, is this tom hanks, would that be more acceptable. >> john: tom would never do that. when hillary clinton ran for president every article started the discussion with her hair, her weight, what she was wearing. with michelle obama it's the controversial bangs. >> wendy davis, they were talking about her shoes. >> john: is this a symptom of a problem? >> it is a symptom of a problem but everybody eyes can men because men run the world. i will say that the part about the video that i thought was the funniest where the models spell out-- >> john: that's what we're going to talk about. when you were younger if you
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wanted to be a songwriter you could be john lennon. or tom jones. and i hired gang bangers to spray paint johnny's awesome on the side of my house. >> if you have a big d you pay models to spell it out. >> john: ben? >> i would be thrilled that if i had a bunch of balloons around me that said i had a big penis. >> that can be arranged. >> would they do that? >> in mylar. >> i would like to say so we need specialized balloons. happy birthday? no something more suggestive. >> john: to be born rich to a wealthy actor. >> i was going to say that's the biggest problem.
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this city is so high school. juvenile. >> john: evil and lame is skeethy. why the government has more faith in big banks than your kids. the f-bomb when we come back. agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us.
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you know who is coming on to me now? you know the kind of guys that do reverse mortgage commercials? those types are coming on to me all the time now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying.
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you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking? you. >> john: one last question for my panel. as college tuition skyrocket is a college education still worth the money. >> not if you want an education. if you want to party for four years, it's super expensive. >> john: i agree, and mom and dad pay for it. >> no, no, you can experiment sexually with anybody at any time. there is no reason to pay those kinds of tickets. >> lee camp, is a college education worth the money? >> yes it teaches you quite well how to be obedient and get locked in a career that you hate for the next 30 years because we're paying off the debt. >> that brings us to tonight's
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f-bomb. as bob dylan said, 20 years of school and they put you on the day shift. when it comes to the american dream education has been the bedrock. the way to get ahead is to contribute to society so you're not at home smoking weed and watching cartoons in a town called bedrock. get a job, contribute to the economy, and your hard work will benefit the hard work of the middle class who hope to send their kids to college and its repeated as the blessed land for years to come. the fact that it's a great place to party and have sex with strangers you have a great deal going on here. our government invested to get kids to college because it seemed like a great investment in our country's future. then higher education really began to be denigrated. when president obama said he wanted every american to have a
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chance to go to college rick santorum sniffed what a snobbed. i should not use the word sniff and santorum in the same sentence but higher education became portrayed as an elitism but it was nothing but conservative who is said this. the harvard education of al gore and barack obama were denigrated seen as snooty unamerican things, not to say that bush and rome also went to harvard. this brings me to tucker carlson who has devoted himself to maintaining a second raid rate ideology. he said cheap student clones keep people out of the job market. this is a dangerous spiral. that might sound like a bizarre statement but when the only guy to compete on dancing with the stars by sitting in a chair and not dancing and making a
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pronouncement about higher education, attention must be paid. college graduates will go out and be good wage slaves. and those not mired in student loan debt will be lazy and spend their life on the coach being an activity. liz warren, she pointed out that today's students carry more than 1 trillion-dollar in debt. do you hear that? more than 1 trillion-dollar. that's more than the entire severance package from al-jazeera. a student trying to get a loan to go to college will pay 7%. students now pay rates nine times higher than what the banks pay. the same banks that destroyed millions of jobs and nearly broke your economy. senator warren proposes to give the same deal that we give the banks. but come on, senator does a mere student have the capacity to prove his or her worth by
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causing thousands to lose their homes? that's something that only hurricanes and tornadoes can do. college education becomeses less valued cost of education goes up. and just last week students loan rates were doubled, and now pursuing the american dream is so crushing that soon it will become out of reach for most americans and we'll become a nation of dumb ignorant under achievers in which republicans will be able to reclaim the white house. i want to thank my entertaining panel, always a pleasure, as well as father gary meir, and go see the film "fruitvale station." we're still here, five and a half weeks to go. good night mom. [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> joy: tonight, sarah palin
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says she's thinking of running for the senate. at this point shouldn't she be turning letters on a game show or something? plus after ten years elizabeth hasselbeck days ado to the "the view." who in their right mind would stay with "the view" that long. and all that and more tonight. [ ♪ theme music ♪ ]


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