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tv   Interview - Andreas Rodder There is a new fear of Germany.  Deutsche Welle  November 18, 2018 11:15am-11:30am CET

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second season of our documentary series founder sally. join germantown. as they explore our digital future. tally starts november twenty fourth b.t.w. . and until yesterday it is one of the world's leading contemporary historians and today we want to discuss a potential new fear of germany with him mr carter during a recent speech in brussels a polish politicians said he fears a germany that doesn't lead more than one that does is there a new fear of germany. would give to these annoying angst and. escaped i know nor there is a new fear of germany which is also an old fear of germany where the new demands
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are being made of the country and these demands are pushing germany into dilemma. the quote by poland's foreign minister you just mentioned you would never have heard anybody particularly not somebody from poland say that before nine hundred ninety. there's this new demand for germany to lead within europe but that puts germany in a dilemma because if it assumes a position of power old fears about germany wanting supremacies and europe will rise again this is the new fear which is actually a fear dating back to the nineteenth century or before. and which germany's european neighbors have felt for at least two hundred years or. so i mean distance five hundred beneath the healing of quaked we can how can germany resolve this tense relationship with germany mistake other european countries position into account and also take their perception of germany and to account germany must also
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not let the power politics necessary for europe to be a powerful global player. and try to wind up here automatically this is a necessary balancing act and one of the greatest challenges for political leaders but goals that mean the end tried to hold forth all through political furor. minister had another minister speaking in brussels actually addressed precisely that challenge and said germany will have to lead from the center how could that work early because that by the to be honest i'm not quite sure what this leadership from the center may want support germany has to learn to be respectful of its neighbors wanted to say germany must carry out its leadership duties but also that it would be problematic if it did so to assertively almost all top level officials in brussels pulling the strings a german that greatly upset some member states that i am. is that what germany wants to be a sort of behind the scenes puppet master that includes the defendant if you would
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have thought they flee the i would absolutely say at the most important level of which germany is showing political leadership lies beyond national interests in fact it even extends beyond the european union. or because the big question is how will europe treat the u.k. after banks it would this isn't an e.u. issue we need to see germany as a nation probably together with france negotiating with the u.k. you fucked of that for i make the crudely because the u.k. is not going to disappear from europe. rather europe can only be a strong global player if it has a constructive relationship with the u.k. construct he was for two goals papunya who won that fight back when germany was politically more peripheral it tried to convince the benelux countries of its interests so that they would push them on the agenda of that strategy worked back
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then is that the right concept for the future or is germany allowed to be self-confident in expressing its wishes and setting its agenda as the time that i get into setting and the often ignored or germany is not only allowed to be confident it has to be confident. but you can be confident without being inconsiderate towards this notion that germany must always be subtle and can't just be forthright in its demands no one in europe still thinks that the use of force or the globe to sounds. about as good but it leads to trouble take the two recent examples when germany su in political leadership with the new europe the eurozone crisis and the refugee crisis in the summer of two thousand and fifteen both times a political course was taken that was set by germany and both times that caused big big trouble and massive anti german sentiment quickly flared up so how can this work. india well germany made
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a grave mistake during the refugee crisis and that was to vote by majority in the european council to force countries to accept a quota of refugees against their will i don't think. that was seen as dictatorial . for the european debt crisis situation is more complicated. there are two very different versions of what happened exist within europe which are both logical to contradict each other. but on the one side there's the story told by mostly but not exclusively southern countries which says that germany reacted far too late. that it didn't want to risk it strayed someplace and the germans are geopolitical nationalists. on the other side we have the german version of exactly the same political decision it's a gorgeous. door german say that they were not liable for other countries debts but that they helped greece anyway because they're such a good european you have our it is right it has them but to add to what he said we
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also very quickly began seeing pictures of angela merkel with a hit the must ask coming from greece how big must the fear of germany be and what does it feed on for such poignant images to be produced that. the whole of germany's neighboring countries or almost all have had some form of military conflict with germany far with dogs for greece that conflict was the world war two occupation by germany. that was when those stereotypes started of violent germans with their pickle how about helmets all thora tarion and militaristic that we face and the odd thing about stereotypes is that they can resurgent any time like a volcano you thought was dormant which erupts again if you go and work hard for the money but that's how stereotypes generally work and it's exactly what we've seen. happened these last years no one in the house that's obvious. it seems as
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if other european countries are no longer used to a germany that shows the same self-assurance as say france or britain or is this a test for europe of death i know. it's low beneath the stomachs of two hundred but i don't think that this has anything to do with cold war experiences manifesting themselves in the present day and outside of it as or that noise so where does the fear come from well in france and france is the key partner in this context that fear dates at least as far back as the eight hundred seventy seventy one war when france became painfully aware of the fact that it's not eastern neighbor germany or was structurally stronger. because he's talked to and then france had to experience that bitter truth again in both world wars. because although france was on the winning side the french knew that if they had to face germany alone they would have lost that you can dodge land just regular give you
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what was it their child a goal said in one thousand nine hundred forty six towards germany stays germany or more recently in the eighties francois mitterrand spoke about the german nuclear bomb but he was referring to the don't mark on the german central bank which shows that other countries are no longer worried about germany's military strength but about its economic power as does that mean germany is scary because that functions too well for europe death even more than. east germany is and will stay europe's strongest economy in a time when economic strength is more important than military strength. so germany is the strongest party and it can't shake that role which is why it has to find a way to use its strength constructively and strategically within europe. or next lord and i lost my recent study asked europeans whether they find their country's culture superior to the neighboring countries cultures forty five percent
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of germans said they find their culture to be better than other europeans yet are we seeing a rising feeling of german superiority. yeah that's yes we are and that's a german trait that dates back to the romantic era. in the early nineteenth century when europeans began to see themselves as nationals the french state already existed so the french could perceive themselves as a nation state however there was no unified germany at that time meaning germans initially had little choice but to find unity through culture who told us they saw themselves as a cultural nation if you will and this self image has always brought with it a tendency among germans to view themselves as culturally and morally superior for that tendency can be traced throughout the nineteenth century right up to the end of the first half of the twentieth century winthrop's in the hope that and although the content of the old self image has changed the mechanism of perceiving oneself
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as culturally and morally superior remains. the good example is germany's welcome culture in autumn two thousand and fifteen that sense of being morally correct was so strong you can almost touch it but it's harder of the best on site as i meet him and for that i'm a counsellor and we recently had the chancellor announce that she's begun what could be called a step by step political withdraw what political legacy will under american leafy europe. i'm glad merkel have hopefully on a european level angela merkel's main political activity has been crisis management from cleveland she has also always try to unite the european institutions with varying degrees of success of her efforts were constant or patient institutes all of. how did she divide oh you know you're a guy in. the heart of the island she's been able to unite at least in part she
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managed to avoid the european institutions dismantling and separating particularly during the euro zone crises how about in part she has also caused european division with regard to the refugee crises but i guess we'll never know the extent but several people in the u.k. said that the political decisions about refugees made in twenty fifteen helped the banks inside when that's the part that's just for two bricks at least have i become mr and i as always i'd like to end our interview by asking you to complete three sentences germany yes i have a large and important power within europe which needs to lead constructively and with empathy part of. europe is. more than the european union all it is shaped by the e.u. but also by the great diversity that goes beyond it the other way and also get on and history is. there's spiegel in the i mean they're all we look at without saying
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our own reflection clearly but that shows us backgrounds which help us to better understand our present selves have it mr herder thanks for speaking with us thank you. miramax this week times. can rest any judge in the theater troupe reenacts paintings by car by. federal exhibits a sourdough library in belgium. nimble fingers new cuz took on your knee guitar virtuoso and you to stop. the romantics next d.w. . you can tell a lot about a society by its garbage. it's worthless for the rich but for many people it offers their only chance of survival. our reporters travel to nairobi
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